Immigrants: 10yr wait for Benefits & Housing!

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

About bloody time!!!!!!

[Baj]

yeah, bloody foreigners, coming over here taking our jobs!

[bridge too far]

yeah, bloody foreigners, coming over here taking our jobs!

 

 

Yeah - especially the ones we don't want to do

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

yeah, bloody foreigners, coming over here taking our jobs!

I think your find their talking about the ones that dont want to work and just claim benefits, like the afganie who was given a £1.2 million house and £13,000 a month benefits and hasn't worked since he got here!!!!

[Dicko]

I thought the thread was about benefits not jobs

[TopGun]

I think your find their talking about the ones that dont want to work and just claim benefits, like the afganie who was given a £1.2 million house and £13,000 a month benefits and hasn't worked since he got here!!!!

 

Wonder why the people who moan about immigrants invariably can't string an English language sentence together properly?

[Hatch]

It will never happen, just a load of hot air as usual.

 

TBH, it is a vote winning policy though.

[Weston Super Saint]

Wonder why the people who moan about immigrants invariably can't string an English language sentence together properly?

 

Surely you mean "I wonder why....."?

 

Also, 'invariably can't' is about as good an example of split infinitives as one will find....

Edited 8 December, 2008 by Weston Super Saint

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

Wonder why the people who moan about immigrants invariably can't string an English language sentence together properly?

LMFAO @ you Mr grammar policeman!

[norwaysaint]

Surely you mean "I wonder why....."?

 

Also, 'invariably can't' is about as good an example of split infinitives as one will find....

 

Missing off the I in this sentence is an acceptable colloquial alternative. A bit like "No, can't make it tomorrow." It's very different from poor grammar.

 

Also, I can't work out how invariably can't is a split infinitive. An infinitive is, for example , to run, to jump or to swim. A split infinitive is to put a word in between those two. For example I would like to quickly run home. I like to always jump.

 

I'm not interested in correcting anyone's English, but I don't think your criticisms are relevant or correct.

 

I do agree that it's funny that the people complaining about immigrants often aren't quite patriotic enough to bother mastering English. The success of the language is surely the proudest achievement of the British.

[J Bizzle]

I hate benefit scum.

[OLYMPIC]

Will not happen as i expect it is against their human rights.

[bungle]

Instead of penalising legal migrants, the Government would be much better off doing something about illegal immigration.

[bridge too far]

I think your find their talking about the ones that dont want to work and just claim benefits, like the afganie who was given a £1.2 million house and £13,000 a month benefits and hasn't worked since he got here!!!!

 

It was an Afghan woman actually: She is a refugee driven from Afghanistan by the Taliban. She isn't allowed to work yet but is learning English so that she can work when it's allowed.

 

The facts: Ms ***** receives £1,600 a month – under £20K p.a. – to feed a family of eight. The private LANDLORD gets £12,000 a month from the state to house the family because there is no council housing.

 

Also bear in mind that, thanks to the ludicrous property boom in the capital, £1.2m pounds doesn’t actually buy “a mansion” – even as prices fall, that’d hardly get you a two-bedroom flat in Notting Hill.

 

As ever, the scare-mongering press chooses to be economical with the truth.

 

As the economic crisis bites, the media will lash out at the weakest and most defenceless people in society. If they are Muslim, they make an even easier target.

[Thedelldays]

It was an Afghan woman actually: She is a refugee driven from Afghanistan by the Taliban. She isn't allowed to work yet but is learning English so that she can work when it's allowed.

 

The facts: Ms ***** receives £1,600 a month – under £20K p.a. – to feed a family of eight. The private LANDLORD gets £12,000 a month from the state to house the family because there is no council housing.

 

Also bear in mind that, thanks to the ludicrous property boom in the capital, £1.2m pounds doesn’t actually buy “a mansion” – even as prices fall, that’d hardly get you a two-bedroom flat in Notting Hill.

 

As ever, the scare-mongering press chooses to be economical with the truth.

 

As the economic crisis bites, the media will lash out at the weakest and most defenceless people in society. If they are Muslim, they make an even easier target.

 

i would rather she did not live in london....or saying that would rather she stayed in the first safe country...as the last time i looked,the UK is far from that...

[OLYMPIC]

I'm sorry but 12,000 a month to house a family of eight is a joke and can't believe anyone would think spending that sort of money on one family is correct.If it is that figure then they should be moved to another part of the country that is cheaper.

Also i don't know the facts of this story but how did this family arrive here,was England the first port of call or could they of stopped in another country before getting here.

[Weston Super Saint]

It was an Afghan woman actually: She is a refugee driven from Afghanistan by the Taliban. She isn't allowed to work yet but is learning English so that she can work when it's allowed.

 

The facts: Ms ***** receives £1,600 a month – under £20K p.a. – to feed a family of eight. The private LANDLORD gets £12,000 a month from the state to house the family because there is no council housing.

 

Also bear in mind that, thanks to the ludicrous property boom in the capital, £1.2m pounds doesn’t actually buy “a mansion” – even as prices fall, that’d hardly get you a two-bedroom flat in Notting Hill.

 

As ever, the scare-mongering press chooses to be economical with the truth.

 

As the economic crisis bites, the media will lash out at the weakest and most defenceless people in society. If they are Muslim, they make an even easier target.

 

So, she doesn't work, doesn't have her own house, and doesn't have any family living nearby.

 

So what's to stop the government from rehousing her to an area where a house doesn't cost £12,000 per month?

[Thedelldays]

So, she doesn't work, doesn't have her own house, and doesn't have any family living nearby.

 

So what's to stop the government from rehousing her to an area where a house doesn't cost £12,000 per month?

 

 

i bet if this was a family from millbrook the likes of bungle and BTF would be slating them

[bridge too far]

So, she doesn't work, doesn't have her own house, and doesn't have any family living nearby.

 

So what's to stop the government from rehousing her to an area where a house doesn't cost £12,000 per month?

 

Probably because she landed at Heathrow and the councils closest to the airport get to look after refugees.

[bridge too far]

i bet if this was a family from millbrook the likes of bungle and BTF would be slating them

 

I wouldn't slate anyone if I didn't know the REAL story behind the situation.

 

I don't take scaremongering reports from the Rabid Right press as fact - ever.

[Thedelldays]

Probably because she landed at Heathrow and the councils closest to the airport get to look after refugees.

do you think it is right she is here in the first place...?

 

considering she is supposed to go to the nearest safe country...?

[Weston Super Saint]

Probably because she landed at Heathrow and the councils closest to the airport get to look after refugees.

 

Unless all their council houses are full which evidently they are, so why not relocate her?

[bridge too far]

do you think it is right she is here in the first place...?

 

considering she is supposed to go to the nearest safe country...?

 

Right or wrong doesn't really come in to it in my view.

 

Our country has a proud tradition of offering asylum to those in need for centuries. Off the top of my head, I can think of Hugenots, Jews, Poles, Hungarians, Ugandan and Kenyan Asians and I'm sure there are many others.

 

Our compassionate nature has made us the country we are and I wouldn't change that for the world.

 

And if ever this country changed to a point where I felt my human rights were threatened, I would hope that another nation would accept me as a refugee in the same way.

[bridge too far]

Unless all their council houses are full which evidently they are, so why not relocate her?

 

I'm not an expert on this WSS, but my understanding is that councils close to the port of entry have the responsibility to look after refugees. They get additional government money for doing so. It is a legal requirement.

[Thedelldays]

Right or wrong doesn't really come in to it in my view.

 

Our country has a proud tradition of offering asylum to those in need for centuries. Off the top of my head, I can think of Hugenots, Jews, Poles, Hungarians, Ugandan and Kenyan Asians and I'm sure there are many others.

 

Our compassionate nature has made us the country we are and I wouldn't change that for the world.

 

And if ever this country changed to a point where I felt my human rights were threatened, I would hope that another nation would accept me as a refugee in the same way.

 

 

it is right or wrong..the law (which im sure you are proud of) states the asylum seekers are to go to the nearest safe country...how landing at heathrow is that i have no idea...

 

also, in todays financial climate...does paying £12k a month in london really the right thing to do...

 

be honest...

[Weston Super Saint]

I'm not an expert on this WSS, but my understanding is that councils close to the port of entry have the responsibility to look after refugees. They get additional government money for doing so. It is a legal requirement.

 

Which is probably why they can afford to pay £12k per month to rent the house

[Robsk II]

It amuses me that the right wingers croak on about cases such as these, but never seem to understand that actually, no-one in their right mind - including those on the other side of the political, and dare I say it, moral, divide - would actually support that in principle. Of COURSE no-one should be getting stupid money. It's not a leftist conspiracy, or PC gone mad. It's a bloody stupid decision taken by some moron pen pusher somewhere, possibly, and if the woman is to blame at all, then it's her as an individual, not because she's Afghan, or an asylum seeker. Just because she's a callous sod, just like a good 50% of the native British population.

 

I do believe in supporting genuine asylum seekers to get into a position to earn for themselves, and beyond that, supporting them reasonably as required like anyone else - but not in stupid cases. Just because you think some cases are stupid, that doesn't mean the "pinkos" and "reds" will think the opposite. There are some cases that are simply stupid. The lefties might just have a more reasoned view..

[bridge too far]

Have a look at this and tell me it's 'easy' being a refugee.

 

http://www.advicenow.org.uk/advicenow-guides/immigration/support-for-asylum-seekers-in-the-uk/

 

Oh and WSS I was wrong - sorry. Reading this link, I see that asylum seekers can be sent anywhere in the country, unless there are particular reasons why they are sent to one area over another.

[Weston Super Saint]

It amuses me that the right wingers croak on about cases such as these, but never seem to understand that actually, no-one in their right mind - including those on the other side of the political, and dare I say it, moral, divide - would actually support that in principle. Of COURSE no-one should be getting stupid money. It's not a leftist conspiracy, or PC gone mad. It's a bloody stupid decision taken by some moron pen pusher somewhere, possibly, and if the woman is to blame at all, then it's her as an individual, not because she's Afghan, or an asylum seeker. Just because she's a callous sod, just like a good 50% of the native British population.

 

I do believe in supporting genuine asylum seekers to get into a position to earn for themselves, and beyond that, supporting them reasonably as required like anyone else - but not in stupid cases. Just because you think some cases are stupid, that doesn't mean the "pinkos" and "reds" will think the opposite. There are some cases that are simply stupid. The lefties might just have a more reasoned view..

 

Robsk II in holier than thou attitude non shocker again : roll :

[bungle]

i bet if this was a family from millbrook the likes of bungle and BTF would be slating them

 

Er, what?

[Weston Super Saint]

Have a look at this and tell me it's 'easy' being a refugee.

 

http://www.advicenow.org.uk/advicenow-guides/immigration/support-for-asylum-seekers-in-the-uk/

 

Oh and WSS I was wrong - sorry. Reading this link, I see that asylum seekers can be sent anywhere in the country, unless there are particular reasons why they are sent to one area over another.

 

So, there really is no reason why that family couldn't be sent to another part of the country with a council house sitting empty just waiting for a tenant - only the other day I saw one in Netley with boarded up windows....

[bridge too far]

It amuses me that the right wingers croak on about cases such as these, but never seem to understand that actually, no-one in their right mind - including those on the other side of the political, and dare I say it, moral, divide - would actually support that in principle. Of COURSE no-one should be getting stupid money. It's not a leftist conspiracy, or PC gone mad. It's a bloody stupid decision taken by some moron pen pusher somewhere, possibly, and if the woman is to blame at all, then it's her as an individual, not because she's Afghan, or an asylum seeker. Just because she's a callous sod, just like a good 50% of the native British population.

 

I do believe in supporting genuine asylum seekers to get into a position to earn for themselves, and beyond that, supporting them reasonably as required like anyone else - but not in stupid cases. Just because you think some cases are stupid, that doesn't mean the "pinkos" and "reds" will think the opposite. There are some cases that are simply stupid. The lefties might just have a more reasoned view..

 

She's not getting 'stupid' money. Her landlord is. She gets between £32 and £42 a week for herself to live plus an amount for her children. I couldn't support myself on £42 a week! She is not allowed to work until her asylum claim has been admitted.

[bridge too far]

So, there really is no reason why that family couldn't be sent to another part of the country with a council house sitting empty just waiting for a tenant - only the other day I saw one in Netley with boarded up windows....

 

On the face of it, no. But you and I don't know the particular circumstances, do we. There may be good and justifiable reasons why she is living in a particular area.

 

Would she be well received in Netley :smt102

[Robsk II]

Good one, moron. How is that holier than anything? Please engage your brain before typing anything. It is simply a fact that the less informed, more stupid people on the right side of centre do just mindlesly cite stupid, isolated examples such as this as apparent evidence to back up their weird ideas. Also, I for one have never, ever said that a lot of 'lefties' don't have stupid untenable or unevidenced ideas either. But hey, applying any logic, reason or facts to your comments generally renders them void, so I can see why you avoid doing it so well.

[Robsk II]

She's not getting 'stupid' money. Her landlord is. She gets between £32 and £42 a week for herself to live plus an amount for her children. I couldn't support myself on £42 a week! She is not allowed to work until her asylum claim has been admitted.

 

OK, sure thing. BUT we, as more liberal-minded people, would be equally remiss in not considering this case as somewhat bizarre, and indicative of there being something wrong with the policy making. It isn'treally a sensible way of conducting asylum seeker placement.

[Weston Super Saint]

Good one, moron. How is that holier than anything? Please engage your brain before typing anything. It is simply a fact that the less informed, more stupid people on the right side of centre do just mindlesly cite stupid, isolated examples such as this as apparent evidence to back up their weird ideas. Also, I for one have never, ever said that a lot of 'lefties' don't have stupid untenable or unevidenced ideas either. But hey, applying any logic, reason or facts to your comments generally renders them void, so I can see why you avoid doing it so well.

 

Robsk II in I'm more intelligent than you non shocker : roll :

[Weston Super Saint]

On the face of it, no. But you and I don't know the particular circumstances, do we. There may be good and justifiable reasons why she is living in a particular area.

 

Would she be well received in Netley :smt102

 

I can't see any reason why not.

 

Unlike Robsk II I don't have the opinion that everyone apart from Robsk II is a right wing BNP bigot

[Robsk II]

Robsk II in I'm more intelligent than you non shocker : roll :

 

Some people on here probably are. I just have nothing to suggest that you are among them.

[Weston Super Saint]

Some people on here probably are. I just have nothing to suggest that you are among them.

 

What do they say about assumption being the mother of all f u c k ups??

[Robsk II]

I don't know, I'm too stoopid. I do, however, base my assumptions on what I know and factor everything in, even if I get more information as time goes on. Unlike yourself, it seems.

[Weston Super Saint]

I don't know, I'm too stoopid. I do, however, base my assumptions on what I know and factor everything in, even if I get more information as time goes on. Unlike yourself, it seems.

 

I've never given you any information about myself, my intelligence, my education or my background. Yet somehow you've made an assumption that you are more intelligent.

 

Robsk II in reading what someone writes on an innernetz forum and making assumptions shocker.

[Robsk II]

Actually, I base my estimation of you on what you say. Quite a lot of it is ignorant moronic turd, some of it is more reasonable. Feel fre to have more intelligent views, and I will, by all means, change my view.

[Thedelldays]

to be fair...ROBSK is probably the most smug poster on here...bungle and BTF offer reasonable debate even when you dont agree with them what so ever...

 

ROBSK just calls you a moron and illinformed if you dont share his views

[Weston Super Saint]

to be fair...ROBSK is probably the most smug poster on here...bungle and BTF offer reasonable debate even when you dont agree with them what so ever...

 

ROBSK just calls you a moron and illinformed if you dont share his views

 

And HAS to get the last word, like an argumentative 7 year old.

[Barney Trubble]

Missing off the I in this sentence is an acceptable colloquial alternative. A bit like "No, can't make it tomorrow." It's very different from poor grammar.

 

Also, I can't work out how invariably can't is a split infinitive. An infinitive is, for example , to run, to jump or to swim. A split infinitive is to put a word in between those two. For example I would like to quickly run home. I like to always jump.

 

I'm not interested in correcting anyone's English, but I don't think your criticisms are relevant or correct.

 

I do agree that it's funny that the people complaining about immigrants often aren't quite patriotic enough to bother mastering English. The success of the language is surely the proudest achievement of the British.

 

The English language has it's roots in so many different languages. What makes it so great is it's diversity.

 

Does it really matter how someone spells something as long as you can understand the meaning?

 

Teachers at primary school age use different commas etc in words or spell some thing's differently, if they can't get it correct then why do you think some people on a poxy internet message board should make so much effort?

 

Not you specifically Norway but there really are some sanctimonious prats on this thread. Self-righteous losers masquerading as the stiff moral upper lip of British society.

 

I like the way they label people who can't spell, have poor grammar and other minor issues and have issues with immigration as far right sympathisers. They despise those who are against immigration and class them as bigoted, basically labelling them as closet racists and yet try and take the moral high ground when others label people who choose to come to the Uk or are forced to become asylum seekers. I just love that double standard.

 

I mean, just how pathetic and embarrasing can you get?

 

I went to a special needs school myself but still managed to have some grasp of how to express myself reasonably positively, despite my issues, but there were lots of kids I remember who were a lot brighter than me but couldn't spell or put their thoughts onto paper, it just came out as a totally different word or phrase.

 

I shall be at some of those schools later this week as part of my job, I shall pass on my regards that most of mainstream society will judge them when they turn into adults and indirectly accuse them of being thick and ignorant because they probably can't spell or express themselves as well as those more fortunate.

 

Whether they get the point across doesn't matter, the main thing is that they can distinguish when to use a comma or a semi-colon, can spell words that are commonly incorrectly spelt, such as 'definitely' etc

 

Pick at my words and grammar all you wish, I'm sure the point of what I have written isn't lost.

[TopGun]

The English language has it's roots in so many different languages. What makes it so great is it's diversity.

 

Does it really matter how someone spells something as long as you can understand the meaning?

 

Teachers at primary school age use different commas etc in words or spell some thing's differently, if they can't get it correct then why do you think some people on a poxy internet message board should make so much effort?

 

Not you specifically Norway but there really are some sanctimonious prats on this thread. Self-righteous losers masquerading as the stiff moral upper lip of British society.

 

I like the way they label people who can't spell, have poor grammar and other minor issues and have issues with immigration as far right sympathisers. They despise those who are against immigration and class them as bigoted, basically labelling them as closet racists and yet try and take the moral high ground when others label people who choose to come to the Uk or are forced to become asylum seekers. I just love that double standard.

 

I mean, just how pathetic and embarrasing can you get?

 

I went to a special needs school myself but still managed to have some grasp of how to express myself reasonably positively, despite my issues, but there were lots of kids I remember who were a lot brighter than me but couldn't spell or put their thoughts onto paper, it just came out as a totally different word or phrase.

 

I shall be at some of those schools later this week as part of my job, I shall pass on my regards that most of mainstream society will judge them when they turn into adults and indirectly accuse them of being thick and ignorant because they probably can't spell or express themselves as well as those more fortunate.

 

Whether they get the point across doesn't matter, the main thing is that they can distinguish when to use a comma or a semi-colon, can spell words that are commonly incorrectly spelt, such as 'definitely' etc

 

Pick at my words and grammar all you wish, I'm sure the point of what I have written isn't lost.

 

Blimey, I guess I'm a butt of all that. Simple fact remains that the evidence on this board demonstrates that the anti-immigrant crew are generally poor spellers and poor users of English. Make of it what you will.

[Thedelldays]

Blimey, I guess I'm a butt of all that. Simple fact remains that the evidence on this board demonstrates that the anti-immigrant crew are generally poor spellers and poor users of English. Make of it what you will.

 

 

that their touch typing is not that good?

[bridge too far]

TDD I've been quiet because I've been trying to understand this 'first safe country' thing.

 

I still don't . But I have come across something called the 'third country' rule. This has been adopted by the EU (although the UK has opt out rights if it wants to exercise them - it chooses not to ATM).

 

I THINK it means that if an application for asylum is refused, the asylum seeker is returned to the previous safe country from whence s/he came. And I THINK it means that Europe is treated as one country. So if this woman's UK application is turned down, she has to return to the previous safe country outside Europe that she was in.

 

Let's say she flew from Afghanistan. Would that be a direct flight? Or would she have travelled to, say Pakistan, then flown on from there?

 

If she flew from Pakistan, I THINK it could be argued that she should be returned there if her application fails. If her flight comprised a change of aircraft in, say, Germany and her application fails, I don't think returning her to Germany would count.

 

This is all summation on my part because of the legalistic terminology used in the articles I've just looked at. Maybe someone else understands this 'third country' rule better than I?

[Dicko]

It was an Afghan woman actually: She is a refugee driven from Afghanistan by the Taliban. She isn't allowed to work yet but is learning English so that she can work when it's allowed.

 

The facts: Ms ***** receives £1,600 a month – under £20K p.a. – to feed a family of eight. The private LANDLORD gets £12,000 a month from the state to house the family because there is no council housing.

 

Also bear in mind that, thanks to the ludicrous property boom in the capital, £1.2m pounds doesn’t actually buy “a mansion” – even as prices fall, that’d hardly get you a two-bedroom flat in Notting Hill.

 

As ever, the scare-mongering press chooses to be economical with the truth.

 

As the economic crisis bites, the media will lash out at the weakest and most defenceless people in society. If they are Muslim, they make an even easier target.

 

My god

 

You are so boring it's enough to send someone into a coma

[bridge too far]

My god

 

You are so boring it's enough to send someone into a coma

 

Whereas you have been in one for some time, judging by your comments.

 

This is the Lounge - the place for serious debate. I'm surprised you found your way here TBH