Scottish Independance

[badgerx16]

I believe not. They would have to apply for membership.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-21602456

[CB Saint]

If the scots contribute more than the rest of the UK to the UK economy (according to the SNP), then they are going to love paying a greater proportion to the EU. Good luck negotiating your own rebate as well. Lol

[Lazlo78]

The Scots wouldn't like a society modelled on Denmark. Every ex-pat that I ever met there hated it. Far too rigid with no room for self-expression.

 

What kind of self-expression do you mean?

[hutch]

It would be an interesting exercise to re-calculate the results of all the Westminster elections in the last 50 years without any Scottish MPs.

[Viking Warrior]

For all you hairy fairy southerners ( No offence intended as I am one as well) but when you live up here and hear all the crap spouted off by the SNP and labour, it is a worrying time for people living in scotland. There are jus sound bites being spouted , One minute salmond and his cronies will say how wonderful it will be to have independance with one of their first priorities to get rid of faslane. He has stated that it will take years to clean up and then he will move the headquarters of a future military set there. He estimates 15K personnel will be moved their. Whe asked about the move of servicemen from Edinbug area , he then intimates there will be a strong servicebase remaining. Sorry the figures do not stack up , He said he is only going to have one airforce base and then a few weeks later said he will keep two airbases open instead of the one he would have.

 

He has not answered any questions

He said we would automatically be enetered in to the EEC , but the lawyers and europe have advised him other wise

He or his ministers say they will be able to keep the weapons they already have, sorry thats just not the case

He wants to keep the pound but his own think tank are saying the oposite

 

I do worry about the future as there is clearly some underhand activities going on. The politicians should be up front and honest with the people instead of just their usual sound bites they spew out.

[Viking Warrior]

Good point Hutch

 

Mean while a major conference is taking place in Orkney today our "isles our future" members of the public cannot attend but can read twitter if they want

 

Again the chosen few will be determining our fate

[oracle saint]

North Sea oil is always debated fairly vigorously in relation to Scottish independence. However there's little talk over how much of the national debt the Scots would take over. Furthermore if we ask them to also assume the bail-out costs of RBS I suspect that would probably put an end to the whole economic rationale of independence.

[Manuel]

Once the debate moves on from initial posturing nationalism and the financial nitty gritty begins to be thrashed out, I think the Scots will see sense and vote to stay as they are.

[Barry Sanchez]

Once the debate moves on from initial posturing nationalism and the financial nitty gritty begins to be thrashed out, I think the Scots will see sense and vote to stay as they are.

 

But if they stay solely for financial purposes that will fester as to why the financial situation is as it is, it has to be a bit of heart and a bit of head, you cant say they will see sense, thats a personal issue, I hope they do as I am a soft Unionist but we should be having this discussion concerning our indentity and Nation as a whole, the sandal wearers would love us to be a republic of somewhere of other with an unhappy mish mash of no culture at all with deeply unhappy citizens, this is the pressing question for all the UK's citizens for the next 10 odd years.

[trousers]

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/could-the-scottish-islands-become-the-next-jersey--152024691.html

[JackanorySFC]

Out of interest, what will happen to the Labour party if the Jocks vote for independence? Surely they'd have no chance of getting voted in for a generation at least without their Scottish MP's?

[alpine_saint]

The jocks have their vote, we dont. If they vote to stay, I hope Westminster starts clawing back the inequities between Scotland and the rest. They can always have another vote and p*ss off if they dont like it.

[alpine_saint]

Out of interest, what will happen to the Labour party if the Jocks vote for independence? Surely they'd have no chance of getting voted in for a generation at least without their Scottish MP's?

 

Yep. Why do you think Labour are supporting the Union so strongly ? the rest of the UK will be under permanent Tory rule, which will immediately instigate the boundary changes Clegg sulked over to tighten their grip.

[holepuncture]

The jocks have their vote, we dont. If they vote to stay, I hope Westminster starts clawing back the inequities between Scotland and the rest. They can always have another vote and p*ss off if they dont like it.

 

I was talking to a loud and proud Glaswegian recently who boasted that the Scots contribute more than they take out of the public purse, no idea if thats correct, though what does seem pretty clear is that they can splash out a little more when it comes to their free education, prescriptions, transport, benefits etc.

 

If they lost UK funding and saw those perks come to an end I wonder if they wil be so keen to stick two fingers up at Westminster?

 

He wanted independence of course.

 

Another friend who is English but lives in Glasgow visited recently, he seemed pretty sure the Scots will vote for independence, he was also highly critical of Nicola Sturgeon.

 

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Wes Tender]

What a load of Braveheart ****.

 

What this simpleton fails to understand is that they can't have total independence of government, set their own taxes and government expenditure and keep the £. They can keep the monarchy if they wish, (as that is purely symbolic), provided that they pay their share towards the Civil List, but if they fail to run their own economy properly, then that will affect the £. And why should we accept them upsetting our currency when they don't want to contribute towards it with their taxation revenue? No, let the bleeders join the Euro and take their chances with the Greeks, Portugese, Spanish, Bulgarians and Romanians. Or if they don't like that, let them introduce their own currency, the Scottish Pound if they wish and have it float (or sink) against the other World currencies.

 

Frankly, I'd love Scotland to depart and take their MPs out of the English Parliament whilst they're at it. I've never accepted that they and the Welsh should have their own Parliaments/Assemblies and yet be able to have representation in our Parliament voting on what are purely English matters, the infamous West Lothian question. And then that whole scenario is made worse by us being governed by a Scottish Mafia of Cabinet Ministers these past recent decades, particularly under Labour, which has a disproportionate number of MPs elected in Scotland compared to their population.

 

The Scots rejoice that if they had total independence,they would almost certainly never be governed by the Conservatives, but equally getting rid of the Scottish vote for the English Parliament would greatly reduce the chance of Labour governing us. I'm all for it. Bring it on.

[Barry Sanchez]

What this simpleton fails to understand is that they can't have total independence of government, set their own taxes and government expenditure and keep the £. They can keep the monarchy if they wish, (as that is purely symbolic), provided that they pay their share towards the Civil List, but if they fail to run their own economy properly, then that will affect the £. And why should we accept them upsetting our currency when they don't want to contribute towards it with their taxation revenue? No, let the bleeders join the Euro and take their chances with the Greeks, Portugese, Spanish, Bulgarians and Romanians. Or if they don't like that, let them introduce their own currency, the Scottish Pound if they wish and have it float (or sink) against the other World currencies.

 

Frankly, I'd love Scotland to depart and take their MPs out of the English Parliament whilst they're at it. I've never accepted that they and the Welsh should have their own Parliaments/Assemblies and yet be able to have representation in our Parliament voting on what are purely English matters, the infamous West Lothian question. And then that whole scenario is made worse by us being governed by a Scottish Mafia of Cabinet Ministers these past recent decades, particularly under Labour, which has a disproportionate number of MPs elected in Scotland compared to their population.

 

The Scots rejoice that if they had total independence,they would almost certainly never be governed by the Conservatives, but equally getting rid of the Scottish vote for the English Parliament would greatly reduce the chance of Labour governing us. I'm all for it. Bring it on.

 

It would greatly reduce but Labour would still be in with a chance with a coalition or the weakening support for the tories as they leave for UKIP could leave them with a possible majority.

The Queen has powers but they are passed to the elected Government so in effect its not symbolic, would Scots allow that? Probably but only because the majority of the Country are monarchists/Unionists, I think the Scots will vote for the status quo and Salmond the fat squelching bellend career will vanish.

It is very important though the vote is rightfully given and respected.

[Viking Warrior]

Well Salmond as well as Spurgeon are total numpties

 

Old fish cake has said that he will renationalise Royal Mail when he gets independance next year

 

Not sure how that works , He will have no say on the matter as the the Royal Mail is a UK business not purely scottish ,

[Wes Tender]

It would greatly reduce but Labour would still be in with a chance with a coalition or the weakening support for the tories as they leave for UKIP could leave them with a possible majority.

The Queen has powers but they are passed to the elected Government so in effect its not symbolic, would Scots allow that? Probably but only because the majority of the Country are monarchists/Unionists, I think the Scots will vote for the status quo and Salmond the fat squelching bellend career will vanish.

It is very important though the vote is rightfully given and respected.

 

As I said, the possibility of future Labour governments here would be greatly reduced, but I accept that there will always be a rump of Labour support in various parts of the country. But get rid of those Scottish MPs and there will be much more scope for bringing in legislation that brings about reforms such as boundary changes to equalise the number of voters required to return a Labour MP in those constituencies, thus further weakening their position. And how much of the current legislation that encourages the growth of UKIP is supported by those Scottish Labour MPs? Perhaps without them it would be much easier to adopt Euro-sceptic policies that would take the wind out of UKIP's sails.

 

I personally don't think we should stop at Independence for Scotland or even England. Let's declare UDI for Southern England, basically Wessex + London. We would have the Navy at Skatesmouth, the Army at Aldershot, major ports at Southampton and Bristol, Airports at Heathrow, Gatwick, Bournemouth, Bristol and Southampton, the financial brains of the City of London, permanent Conservative government at Westminster, the best sporting venues of Wembley, Lords, Twickers, Ascot, Cowes, education at Eton, Harrow, Winchester and Oxford University, Silicon Valley along the M4, the monarchy remaining at Windsor and Buck House, the list of positives goes on and on. This area would probably have the highest per-capita earnings in Europe, devoid of the major economic black spots apart from in the bigger cities like parts of Portsmouth.

[badgerx16]

Let's declare UDI for Southern England, basically Wessex + London. ...... Skatesmouth, ..... permanent Conservative government at Westminster, ....., Cowes, education at Eton, Harrow, .......the monarchy remaining at Windsor and Buck House, ....

 

Looks like a good idea from up here !

[Whitey Grandad]

What kind of self-expression do you mean?

 

It ranged from being able to paint your garage any colour you wanted to leaving your lawn a couple of weeks before mowing it. This was in South Jutland.

[Barry Sanchez]

As I said, the possibility of future Labour governments here would be greatly reduced, but I accept that there will always be a rump of Labour support in various parts of the country. But get rid of those Scottish MPs and there will be much more scope for bringing in legislation that brings about reforms such as boundary changes to equalise the number of voters required to return a Labour MP in those constituencies, thus further weakening their position. And how much of the current legislation that encourages the growth of UKIP is supported by those Scottish Labour MPs? Perhaps without them it would be much easier to adopt Euro-sceptic policies that would take the wind out of UKIP's sails.

 

I personally don't think we should stop at Independence for Scotland or even England. Let's declare UDI for Southern England, basically Wessex + London. We would have the Navy at Skatesmouth, the Army at Aldershot, major ports at Southampton and Bristol, Airports at Heathrow, Gatwick, Bournemouth, Bristol and Southampton, the financial brains of the City of London, permanent Conservative government at Westminster, the best sporting venues of Wembley, Lords, Twickers, Ascot, Cowes, education at Eton, Harrow, Winchester and Oxford University, Silicon Valley along the M4, the monarchy remaining at Windsor and Buck House, the list of positives goes on and on. This area would probably have the highest per-capita earnings in Europe, devoid of the major economic black spots apart from in the bigger cities like parts of Portsmouth.

 

Reliant on the roulette wheel of banking and a large banks whim not to move to Switzerland or Singapore. Built on sand and call centres.

[Barry Sanchez]

Does Sheerness,Ramsgate, Margate, Hastings, Eastbourne,Hove, Worthing, and port*mouth along the south coast corridor contribute much to the UK economy?

[melmacian_saint]

Does Sheerness,Ramsgate, Margate, Hastings, Eastbourne,Hove, Worthing, and port*mouth along the south coast corridor contribute much to the UK economy?

 

Given that a fair share of its residents (put everything up to Poole in there too) work in London I would think they do.

[Barry Sanchez]

Given that a fair share of its residents (put everything up to Poole in there too) work in London I would think they do.

 

Thats Londons money and revenue not those towns, they are being spent in those places, what about the Victorian bedsits and the like? What do they give the UK economy?

Commuting from Poole to London must be absolute ****, what sort of life is that?

[buctootim]

Does Sheerness,Ramsgate, Margate, Hastings, Eastbourne,Hove, Worthing, and port*mouth along the south coast corridor contribute much to the UK economy?

 

HQs and main factories of Rolls Royce, Ricardo Engineers, Glaxo SK, Body Shop, BOC, medical and defence electronics, aerospace etc etc.

[Tokyo-Saint]

HQs and main factories of Rolls Royce, Ricardo Engineers, Glaxo SK, Body Shop, BOC, medical and defence electronics, aerospace etc etc.

 

Yeah but apart from that?

[buctootim]

Yeah but apart from that?

 

 

Pfizer, Eurotunnel, ship and boat building, brickworks, software and games, agriculture, oh and the roads dont forget the roads.

[Barry Sanchez]

HQs and main factories of Rolls Royce, Ricardo Engineers, Glaxo SK, Body Shop, BOC, medical and defence electronics, aerospace etc etc.

 

Rolls Royce where are they based now? I thought it was Derby?

Ricardo is based in Shoreham.

Glaxo are based in Brentford and in Liverpool, there is a high unemployment rate here, does this exempt them now Glaxo are there?

Body Shop are based in Littlehampton.

BOC are based in Guildford.

 

 

 

I dont believe those places were where I mentioned carry on lads, you can do better.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Yeah but apart from HQs and main factories of Rolls Royce, Ricardo Engineers, Glaxo SK, Body Shop, BOC, medical and defence electronics, aerospace, Pfizer, Eurotunnel, ship and boat building, brickworks, software and games, agriculture, oh and the roads. What has the southeast ever done for us?

[Barry Sanchez]

Pfizer, Eurotunnel, ship and boat building, brickworks, software and games, agriculture, oh and the roads dont forget the roads.

 

Ship building? Possibly boat building. Where are the major ship builders on the South Coast now, in fact anywhere in the UK?

Agriculture?

[buctootim]

You said that south coast corridor. Rolls Royce cars are in Goodwood, BOC Edwards make vacuum pumps in Hove and Shoreham. GSK do not have any significant base in Liverpool, check their website, but their main factory is in Worthing.

 

Anyway the point is Bazza, your post was ******** (no really).

[Tokyo-Saint]

Don't stand for that Barry! Drag him down to your level and beat him with experience.

[buctootim]

VT shipbuilding in Portsmouth, Dover Yacht Co, Grant Scannell, Martin McLaughlin, Lloyd Werft. Agriculture is growing things Bazza, like food. Garden of England, ring any bells?

[Barry Sanchez]

You said that south coast corridor. Rolls Royce cars are in Goodwood, BOC Edwards make vacuum pumps in Hove and Shoreham. GSK do not have any significant base in Liverpool, check their website, but their main factory is in Worthing.

 

Anyway the point is Bazza, your post was ******** (no really).

 

Because those places are on it, how much do they add to the economy? They dont they drain, how much is unemployment in those places?

[Barry Sanchez]

VT shipbuilding in Portsmouth, Dover Yacht Co, Grant Scannell, Martin McLaughlin, Lloyd Werft. Agriculture is growing things Bazza, like food. Garden of England, ring any bells?

 

Sorry ships, large ships? Not a yacht company in Dover ha ha!

Agriculture? We produce less than 60% of what we eat and its dropping.

[buctootim]

Sorry ships, large ships? Not a yacht company in Dover ha ha!

Agriculture? We produce less than 60% of what we eat and its dropping.

 

You said ship and boat building so I mentioned a ship builder and some boat builders. You then you try and score a point by saying the boat builder I mentioned isnt a ship builder. What an odd little man you are Bazza.

[Barry Sanchez]

You said ship and boat building so I mentioned a ship builder and some boat builders. You then you try and score a point by saying the boat builder I mentioned isnt a ship builder. What an odd little man you are Bazza.

 

I believe I stated major ship builders, what have the orders been for the last few years? How many do they employ? Lets be reasonable.

[Barry Sanchez]

Don't stand for that Barry! Drag him down to your level and beat him with experience.

 

Tokyo is this Beersy avavtar? Do you follow him like a sheep to have some form of internet credence?

[buctootim]

I believe I stated major ship builders, what have the orders been for the last few years? How many do they employ? Lets be reasonable.

 

No you said Originally Posted by Barry Sanchez View Post. Does Sheerness,Ramsgate, Margate, Hastings, Eastbourne,Hove, Worthing, and port*mouth along the south coast corridor contribute much to the UK economy? When I gave you some very good examples you tried to change tack and pretend that the only industry which counted was large ship building. Hello its not the 19th century anymore Bazza. High value goods and knowledge based products contribute far more to the economy.

 

Anyway its a dialogue with the deaf so thanks and all that but....

[Tokyo-Saint]

Don't stand for that Barry! Drag him down to your level and beat him with experience.

 

I believe I stated major ship builders, what have the orders been for the last few years? How many do they employ? Lets be reasonable.

 

That's it Barry!

[Tokyo-Saint]

Tokyo is this Beersy avavtar? Do you follow him like a sheep to have some form of internet credence?

 

Wrong again Barry. It's my avitar, I put it on first.

[Bearsy]

Wrong again Barry. It's my avitar, I put it on first.

 

i can confirm this. tokyos came out first + i thought it would stop abuses if a lot of straight posters showed solidarity.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Not like you to get your facts wrong Barry. Must have been reminiscing about the Keegan window.

 

Why don't you join us in our support of homosexual posters? No one has come out in years. This forum obviously has a homophobia problem.

[Barry Sanchez]

http://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/local/hastings-7th-worst-uk-town-for-unemployment-1-1455909

 

I believe I stated along the South corridor as they along the South Coast, I also mentioned places with high unemployment as it strengthened my argument, commuter towns suck the life out of a town, old Victorian summer holidays resorts have suffered with the high influx of people sent there as it cheap.

I would have thought you would have thought of that, I dont need to make it so obvious.

 

As for ship building I mentioned the word major in the first reference to it.

[Tokyo-Saint]

I agree with Barry, let's get rid of them too. They've done nothing since 1066. The tapestry market is on it's arse.

[Barry Sanchez]

Not like you to get your facts wrong Barry. Must have been reminiscing about the Keegan window.

 

Why don't you join us in our support of homosexual posters? No one has come out in years. This forum obviously has a homophobia problem.

 

Your tongue is cheek slant proves you probably do have an issue with, super cool irony fun on the Star Trek forum.

[Tokyo-Saint]

translation plse ^

[Bearsy]

he's saying you object to the use of irony on star trek forums

[Bearsy]

on topics, have we stole all scotland's north sea oil yet? We might want to work double shifts to make sure we get it all before independance

[buctootim]

translation plse ^

 

Ive been rumbled for posting ****e. Im in a deep hole and my only equipment is a shovel. Pretending Im on a phone with a dodgy keyboard which prevents me from otherwise making killer cogent points is the only escape I can think of.