Palace V Saints Post Match Chat

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Who says there were no positives from tonight's game?

Agreed about Lloydy, his attacking play was superb - just lacked an end ball and then undid all his good work with one crappy mistake. Still, he finally has started looking like a footballer!

 

So superb it created a goal didn`t it..........oh!

[benjii]

Who says there were no positives from tonight's game apart from pretty much everyone?

Agreed about Lloydy, his attacking play was better - just lacked an end ball (along with the rest of the team) and then undid all his good work with one crappy mistake. Still, he finally has started looking like a midfielder, which he was all along, not a defender!

 

I've made some amendments for you.

[hypochondriac]

Who says there were no positives from tonight's game?

Agreed about Lloydy, his attacking play was superb - just lacked an end ball and then undid all his good work with one crappy mistake. Still, he finally has started looking like a footballer!

 

Jan desperately needs to play Euell and Morgan though. We also need to get a striker in January. That should solve some of our problems hopefully.

[Legod Third Coming]

So superb it created a goal didn`t it..........oh!

 

Is it the right back's fault our strikers are out on loan now? Ba5tard- why doesn't he bring them back? I knew I never liked him. Welsh isn't he? I knew it...

[brightspark]

I turned off after the first half. I coudlnt believe in another 'Preston' as we just looked downright appauling.

 

Defence was shambles. We passed it about alright but we never looked like scoring. Palace did. We had no ideas. Thought Robertson was utter tripe. Can't believe how we've turned Skacel from Mr Exciting in 2006 to Mr Attempting Career Recovery in 2008. As sky put it, sums up our season.

 

I think we have a greater chance of relegation to last season. That pretty much in my book means its going to take a massive turn around to avoid it. WE CANT SCORE GOALS!!! WE LOOK SHAKY IN DEFENCE!!! It all spells doom. Oh and the fact we could go into administration makes the sad face even sadder.

 

I couldn't have been born supporting a worse off club in my memory. Fact.

[hypochondriac]

So superb it created a goal didn`t it..........oh!

 

I'm not saying I agree, but to be fair it is not someone like James' fault if there is nobody to convert the chances he creates.

[Legod Third Coming]

I turned off after the first half. I coudlnt believe in another 'Preston' as we just looked downright appauling.

 

Defence was shambles. We passed it about alright but we never looked like scoring. Palace did. We had no ideas. Thought Robertson was utter tripe. Can't believe how we've turned Skacel from Mr Exciting in 2006 to Mr Attempting Career Recovery in 2008. As sky put it, sums up our season.

 

I think we have a greater chance of relegation to last season. That pretty much in my book means its going to take a massive turn around to avoid it. WE CANT SCORE GOALS!!! WE LOOK SHAKY IN DEFENCE!!! It all spells doom. Oh and the fact we could go into administration makes the sad face even sadder.

 

I couldn't have been born supporting a worse off club in my memory. Fact.

 

Leeds, Luton, Rotherham, Bournemouth... Man City five years ago?

 

When I started supporting, Pompey and Chelsea were at the bottom of this division and both played total garbage. Newcastle came down to Fratton and battered them 4-0 with Keegan and Waddle and the ugly fella. I was there, supporting KK like a lot of old Saints in them days. My second team they were - a lot of us too.

 

Cheer up son. Things change in the world. That's the beauty of football.

[dubai_phil]

OK so the verdict from the Dubai Saints boys in da pub.

 

6 pints. Bullfrogs. Jaegerbombs. Springboks. Blow Jobs. Sex on the Beach. Hot & Cold running air hostesses.

 

None of the above mattered we were still toothless, guileless and just plain couldn't have scored in Rock Bottoms, let alone the Yorke Hotel.

 

I mean FFS even EoA could have scored tonight, but the team.....

 

Jan, it isn't working, DMG is to right wing as Saint Steve is to Babe magnets......

 

All we can say from down here is yikes it'll be a hell of a party when we win on telly 'cos tonight, the footie was just in the way of a great night out

[saintstr1]

Really Poor performance tonight but although we got beat 3-0 I thought the defensive players were the better part of the team , The midfield and forwards were the real problem. None of Robertson, Mcgoldrick , Lallana, BWP , deserved more than a 2/10 tonight , Surman tried hard as did Cork but they were trying to do to much to compensate for the lack of skill & effort in there team mates. IMO , Robertson should be sent back to Sheff U ASAP,He contributes nothing. Mcgoldrick should be consigned to the reserves until he realizes that he is very ,very ordinary , just a chocolate soldier who loves himself to death. As for lallana if someone is willing to give us a million for him I would snap there hand off and BWP is just the same lightwieght underperformer he has always been.

Edited 8 December, 2008 by saintstr1

[Mr X]

Really Poor performance tonight but although we got beat 3-0 I thought the defensive players were the better part of the team , The midfield and forwards were the real problem. None of Robertson, Mcgoldrick , Lallana, BWP , deserved more than a 2/10 tonight , Surman tried hard as did Cork but they were trying to do to much to compensate for the lack of skill & effort in there team mates. IMO , Robertson should be sent back to Sheff U ASAP,He contributes nothing. Mcgoldrick should be consigned to the reserves until he realizes that he is very ,very ordinary , just a chocolate soldier who loves himself to death. As for lallana if someone is willing to give us a million for him I would snap there hand off and BWP is just the same lightwieght underperformer he has always been.

 

racist undertones anybody? :smt102

[dubai_phil]

Actually I think it is unfair on Chocolate Soldiers. DMG's new nickname - hands up.

 

When he actually got the bal (what twice??) in the box he fell over with his hands up.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Boys against men again tonight: not streetwise enough and not enough Tiger. We too often eschewed the forward pass in favour of moving sideways or back.

 

KD had a good game, as did Cork, Surman and Lallana. Robertson was dire. MCG tried hard but to little end. James did well until his mistake. We did not create enough good chances and from those we did have we never looked like scoring. Why didn't Euell play? We need someone to organise the team and take control in the manner of Wootton, who talks a good talk on the pitch but doesn't cut the mustard technically.

 

This side is two senior players, a striker, several more matches of experience for the youngsters and a way of changing the emphasis of our play while on the pitch short of being a very good team. The question is can we avoid relegation? The going will get rougher and tougher in the next few months and our lightweight side will surely struggle to stay clear of the bottom three. I'd like to know what JP's plan to get up the table is: we must have more than just faith, hope and charity.

[St Marco]

Well not really sure what to say that hasen't already been said. 4th game in a row now that i think we have been relegation poor. The win at Reading seems a longtime ago now and looks like it was a fluke. 1 win in our last 7 games and that simply is not good enough. People can come out saying we play great stuff when really we don't. We play crab football. We get the ball then all run to the half way line then pass it back to the centre back who then just passes it to the guy in front of him who runs either left or right. That is it. There is no forward play at all. The annoying thing is that i can imagine the opponents are ****ing themselves with laughter seeing how clueless we are with the ball. After we went 2 down they just switched off and couldn't be arsed anymore Palace. They knew it was in the bag, they just all got behind the ball and asked us to break them down. We couldn't do it. I don't recall one shot on target or even any real effort except maybe Surmans 30 yard shot which even if was on target would have been saved. In the first 2mins palace had like 2 one on ones. If Palace didn't take their foot off we would of been hammered more.

The players just seemed stupid, didn't know who to pass to and didn't know where to run with the ball. We punted the ball up the pitch to Robertson more times then i can remember and he just is not that kind of player. DMG and BWP were not at the races at all. Im not sure if that is their fault ot the tactics fault. Which brings me onto the tactics. Sorry but Jan is a ****ing muppet. His tactics and decisions make some of Burley's from last year seem genius. We are 2 down and Palace have gone to sleep. Do we switch to a more positive formation and try and get back into it? Nope he brings on a defensive midfielder....We should of gone to a straight 4-4-2 and had two strikers (BWP and DMG) being in positions to receive the ball and actually run at the back 4. They had nothing to do the whole game. They could of along with their keeper knocked off early.

 

So the tactics are not working, the system is not working and it isn't going to. We can't rely on 1 striker on his own beating 4 defenders and then a keeper. We need bodies up the pitch who can be passed to from our keeper and our defenders. Their 3rd goal is a prime example of it. Sure we made a mistake but they kicked it up the pitch quick and had a attacker pressuring him into a mistake, we don't do that.

Today's game was a disgrace and as much as i want to believe things will get better it is hard to see it with our current set-up both on the pitch and in the dug out. We have to many dutch people trying to get us to play a system that doesn't work, especially in a physical league like ours.

 

I realise some people who are defending us by saying we are not in the relegation zone have a good point. However right now we are losing ground to the teams who were below us because of our home form. For example Doncaster and Forest were at one point 8 points and 10 points behind us. They looked doomed. But now thy have gone on runs. Forest have lost only once in their past 8 games where as Doncaster have lost only twice in their past 8 games. In fact on current form they are above us. We relied to long on other teams messing up and now that is coming back to haunt us. So much so that by the end of saturday there is a chance we could be bottom of the league. We are now hoping again results go our way. Charlton will eventually sort it out,i can see them doing what Palace did last year. Watford are another team who will sort it out as they have the right type of players for the league, strong and physical.

So as i said before today if we fail to win today and fail to win in a tough game on saturday we cannot expect to not be in the relegation zone. Someone will gain points tommorow and with Forest having 2 home games now you would expect them to close the gap further.

That then sets up the game against us. If we lose that game we will most likely be bottom and falling further behind. The Forest game will be critical to our season.

[St Marco]

you were totally wrong on Burley -the arguement I often had with you was you saying anyone would be better. Me saying we should do better, and if we could improve on him then we should - however I feared we would go for a cheap option and be worse off.

 

GB leaves -board replace with cheap option and go from nearer to play off to nearly relegated.

 

So it does have bearing on how you posts are viewed!

 

If anyone had the amount of money and players Burley had they would do better then he did, i don't think that can be argued really.

[LGTL]

Whick knob said Mcgoldrick would score 20+ this season.....

[Sussex Saint]

Just got back from the game. Having read the posts on here it's difficult to find any positives to add. We played with some nice moves at times but there is, as so often, no end product. Palace were always going to be a hard test with Warnock's trade mark physical team and they kept us at bay whenever we came close to goal. It was like watching a team of talented but naive youngsters against the wise professionals of Palace who always made sure we came of second best when push came to shove (literally at times. Come on ref..!) Not a great deal to cheer the Saints fans who turned out on a bitterly cold night. Palace are not the most attractive team to watch and there are no flare players in their side to speak of but they get results.

[Mr Saints]

Just got back. I usually attempt to look at the positives but I'm really struggling tonight, fair enough if we're getting outplayed, fair enough if we can't defend, fair enough if the ref is ****, fair enough if we're inexperienced. However, we should NEVER lose a game through lack of effort, and sadly there was a lack of effort and fight tonight.

[The Pope]

Just been on the BBC website, this has to be the quote of the season...

 

Southampton coach Jan Poortvliet:

"Maybe it was because we were on television and the pressure affected the players".

 

Dear oh dear oh dear!

[instinct]

can't believe I travelled and paid to watch that gutless, spineless performance

[Kingsbridge Saint]

And here is the result from the Brisbane Jury.

 

Got to watch it on TV of course - 5th game this season. 1-4, 1-4, 0-1, 0-1, 0-3. I see a pattern emerging. We are not just a sack of spanners on TV, we are a sack of spanners every week. How the hell did that lot beat Reading? We shoot like girls (Wotton excepted) defend like headless chickens and Jan Nice but Dim has no idea on tactics. Thank **** I don't have to go anymore.

[Neilza]

We were ****1ng awful!! Robertson was appalling, didn't hold the ball once all night before being dragged off when the game was over. Mcgoldrick did nothing, BWP looked our biggest attacking threat but couldn't do a great deal.

We don't tackle enough, we don't hassle and pressure enough, when we don't have the ball all we do is jog around, yet when we have the ball a Palace player, and the same goes for every team we've played our right on our first touch, giving us no time to turn etc.

I was shocked at the complete lack of everything, we were 2-0 after 20 minutes and we still never looked like having a go.

Burnley will murder us.

[LostBoys]

Oh boy, that was a*se gravy in its purest form. Don't remember forcing their goalie into making one real save. Absolute sh*te. Glad I was watching in a bar in Scotland where no one gives a sh*t.

 

As for the players themselves...

 

Davis - 5 Didn't do much except get the ball out the net 3 times. In no-man's land for the first, nowhere near the second and little he could do about the third.

 

James - 3 Absolute toilet. Slow, short, made mistakes, none-entity going forward... it's like having Jermaine Wright back again. Just can't handle long balls over his head at all. Absolute howler for their third just to round it off.

 

Pearce - 3 Deserved to go off. Was being pushed for the first, but had the strength of a fairy. Also struggled with long balls and there was just chaos whenever anything went between him and James.

 

Perry - 6 Appaling for the first 20 minutes, seemed to wake up a bit after that. Reliable enough second half.

 

Skacel - 8 MOTM. Absolutely brilliant diving tackle to prevent a goal after 50s. Made 2 more great tackles to deny players through on goal, including one off a Palace players feet, 1 yard out after 80 mins (he was offside anyway). Some decent crosses and was the player best possitioned to score on at least 2 occasions first half. You really can't ask for much more from a LB.

 

Lallana - 6 Flattered to decieve. Plenty of running at players and fancy footwork, but I can't remember any crosses and only 1 shot, which was going weak, wide, outside the box and covered by the 'keeper.

 

Surman - 7 Good passer, but didn't really create much.Probably our best midfielder today.

 

Cork - 7 Solid enough in midfield first half, although most Palace long balls went well over the midfield. Much better than Pearce second half.

 

BWP - 6 Good running at players and a few tricks, but never looked like scoring.

 

DMG - 3 Sh*t. I can't really expand on that.

 

Robertson - 3 As above. Send him back. Apart from the goal at Norwich, this guy has been as effective as cardboard plumbing. Play Pato instead.

 

 

Subs:

 

Wotton - 4 Forgot he was the pitch until he put a shot well wide after 70 mins. I guess that means he didn't make any glaring errors either.

 

Mills - 6 Looked like he had something in him, but never really ha mch chance to show what he can do in an already beaten Saints side.

 

Ref - 4 Didn't seem to object to Kuqi using Pearce as a punchbag and ignore what looked like a penalty for DMG after 4 mins.

 

I think you are being a tad generous with some of them but a bit unfair on Wotton. After Reading very disappointing and we never looked like scoring and always looked like conceding.

[bpsaint]

Can't believe I got up at 4.30am to watch that ****. Yet again conceding goals that were easily defendable! When is Jan going to realise that 4-5-1 just doesnt work for us. How the hell McGoldrick gets in that team every week is beyond me.

[Dubai Saint]

Robertson looked like a sunday league player - knackered after 30mins

Team is far too lightweight - Turf Moor will be the final nail in the coffin of any lingering fight or confidence.

[SNSUN]

I watched the game from the Palace stand as a Palace supporting mate had bought me tickets, and I was gutted. Palace won 3-0 with apparant ease, and our defending was terrible.

 

Highlights of the match for Saints were the fans - they never gave up singing and I was proud to watch them. A couple made noise during the minutes silence but I was informed they were in the tunnel below and were unaware of what was going on.

 

Cork is a good little player. Clearly a class above his current level. Surman had a good game too, sadly they were two of the eleven.

 

My Palace mate said James ("Your schoolboy right back") was having a good game. He did play well at times, but is too inconsistant. I can't get my head around us playing two midfielders in defence, and two defenders in midfield. (When Jo Mills came on...)

 

Davis kept the score down in the second half but had a poor first half, and Pearce was terrible. There's clearly not enough height or experience in the team.

 

Overall I had a good day out, and will be looking to go to a few more games soon.

 

Cork MOTM IMO.

[Saint Billy]

Thank god Spooks was on.

 

How anyone can defend this lot now is beyond me especially when those that went are stating there was no real effort or fight.

 

Lowe, you are a plank if you expect the crowds to rush back and watch that, exciting football my arse.

 

Yes, we all know money is tight but for god sake pay a bit for a decent manager that can give us some decent direction with experience in this league to boot. Perhaps if we were'nt wasting money on the likes of Pulis, Gasmi, Euell, who do not seem to recon in anyones equation, along with JP's salary, there's your replacement manager covered.

 

Stick with this and you will have 10'000 gates and less very soon with a team heading to league 1 sooner than you can say "prudent".

 

By the way, all this excitement about Lallana and some of the other kids, sorry, but I cannot see it myself. Big them up as much as you want to but if you are expecting vast fortunes for these lads you can forget it. Money is now tight for all the clubs and they will not pay inflated prices for ordinary players anymore.

[Danny R]

Crystal Palace + that ref = impossible task. Really pleased that we didn't give up. People do need to realise how difficult it is to break down a defence that sits back at 2-0. It's a steep learning curve but we will and are learning. Felt sorry for Lloyd James who had his best game tonight. Oh well, a much more winable game on Saturday.

[Pilchards]

Its great to watch us pass the ball about like that without fear but its no good if you have the shooting force that we have. Its never going to work umless you had something like Walcott and Defoe upfront.

 

While the end product is not working the team become more attacking minded and then we defend in suicide mode.

The amount of times a long ball was played out by Palace had us as a defensive unit looking like bambi's on ice.

 

Why not start all over again and keep a solid back four and a solid midfield and then let the other team become lightly to be hit on the break.

[Charlie Wayman]

Are there any polite words to describe this dross? Passing the ball around without purpose IS NOT FOOTBALL, it is the sort of ball juggling circus act that we witnessed at half-time's at the beginning of the season.

 

This was by far our worse performance so far. The kids have run out of ideas and one is bound to come to the conclusion that most of them are not stars in the making but the sort of also-rans nonentities like Baird, Dyer, Blackstock and Best.

 

Now we don't really know if our failueres are because of Jan's ineptitude or the lack of football intelligence amongst our players.

 

Surely they must think furtehr ahead than

 

Step 1 "Must trap the ball cleanly"

Step 2 "Must now do a dodge-your-opponent-in-one-neat-move manouevre"

Step 3 "Run forward like hell with the ball"

Step 4 "Avoid that oppo bloke ahead by offloading the ball to the nearest bloke in Red 7 white"

Step 5 " Switch off, forget about the ball and run back to position"

Step 6 " Protest 'Who Me?" when Kev picks another one out of the net

Step 7 " Shout abuse at the forward(s) ' why didn't you do something with it?"

[saint1977]

Crystal Palace + that ref = impossible task. Really pleased that we didn't give up. People do need to realise how difficult it is to break down a defence that sits back at 2-0. It's a steep learning curve but we will and are learning. Felt sorry for Lloyd James who had his best game tonight. Oh well, a much more winable game on Saturday.

 

But that's professional football Danny, teams do organise themselves well and play on the break when they were 2-0 up, we did it very well under WGS and in fact were known for it. Warnock may not be my favourite bloke but he knows his stuff and did a very professional job on us last night. I did feel sorry for James as he is going to be a good midfielder and will go on to bigger and better clubs than the current rubbish we waste time on supporting but he is clearly not a full-back and we may ruin a promising player.

 

Even with financial situation, is someone really going to tell me that we've got the lowest wage bill in the division? Barnsley have a very low wage celing which was imposed after they went into admin 3-4 years ago and Blackpool have only 3 sides on their ground yet Blackpool should have beaten us 5 or 6-0 in the second half at SMS, only a brilliant Kelvin display saved us. Last night was simply not good enough, even in the circumstances and the board and management, even though I like JP as a bloke, are on probation at the moment. The bank will be watching current results and performance and will not be as easily swayed by Rupert's spin as some of the posters on here. 2009 will be a crunch year for Southampton Football Club one way or the other.

[ericofarabia]

OK so the verdict from the Dubai Saints boys in da pub.

 

6 pints. Bullfrogs. Jaegerbombs. Springboks. Blow Jobs. Sex on the Beach. Hot & Cold running air hostesses.

 

None of the above mattered we were still toothless, guileless and just plain couldn't have scored in Rock Bottoms, let alone the Yorke Hotel.

 

I mean FFS even EoA could have scored tonight, but the team.....

 

Jan, it isn't working, DMG is to right wing as Saint Steve is to Babe magnets......

 

All we can say from down here is yikes it'll be a hell of a party when we win on telly 'cos tonight, the footie was just in the way of a great night out

 

Add my pre match bottle of wine and a few more beers to the equation

 

Today has been very slow and painful and my tongue is still blue :confused:

 

What was the final score in the end, most of the evening is now just a blur

[70's Mike]

Are there any polite words to describe this dross? Passing the ball around without purpose IS NOT FOOTBALL, it is the sort of ball juggling circus act that we witnessed at half-time's at the beginning of the season.

 

This was by far our worse performance so far. The kids have run out of ideas and one is bound to come to the conclusion that most of them are not stars in the making but the sort of also-rans nonentities like Baird, Dyer, Blackstock and Best.

 

Now we don't really know if our failueres are because of Jan's ineptitude or the lack of football intelligence amongst our players.

 

Surely they must think furtehr ahead than

 

Step 1 "Must trap the ball cleanly"

Step 2 "Must now do a dodge-your-opponent-in-one-neat-move manouevre"

Step 3 "Run forward like hell with the ball"

Step 4 "Avoid that oppo bloke ahead by offloading the ball to the nearest bloke in Red 7 white"

Step 5 " Switch off, forget about the ball and run back to position"

Step 6 " Protest 'Who Me?" when Kev picks another one out of the net

Step 7 " Shout abuse at the forward(s) ' why didn't you do something with it?"

 

Been saying the same for weeks, but some are still impressed because we can pass it along the back 4 , i actually feel sorry for the players because last night they were , imo, looking for a tactical change because it was plain to see we were never going to break Palace down playing like that

[Chez]

tired and low. This feeling is not helped by finding so many smug bastards on here saying `I told you so'. Why don't you all **** off back to your own skate message board?

 

I know I have said we will get relegated but that doesn't stop me feeling down when we get murdered. Where the **** is Euell? Why wasn't Morgan back - JP suggested he would be, and how did Pearce turn from being a man mountain on Saturday to a powderpuff on Monday?

 

Boy do we need to do more in the final third. We play two wingers yet we haev got to the byeline about 6 times all season. FFS get down that line and worse case scenario you win a corner.

 

If we don't get a right back in the window we have no chance. James wins as manyheaders as Folly entered into tackles. Thats **** all by the way. We appear to be done by all the pysical sides (and not all are thank god).

[John]

According to Poortvilet on the BBC website, the kids were scared of the cameras...God help us if this is all that is left to excuse the shambles that was once our beloved SFC. Oooh...cameras...I'm frightened and I need my mummy...then again he could say that they are allergic to grass...but on the basis that he, Lowe, Wilde and Cowan are going nowhere it don't much matter. Can't wait for the cracking excuse after Burnley...the wrong energy drinks?...Rupert forgot to read them their bedtime story? (mind you, that's enough to give anyone nightmares)...it's never dull.

[OldNick]

From the first minute we didnt seem to be at the races. I then said that we would lose by 3 or 4 as we were picked apart so easily.How the ref missed the push on Pearce I really dont know. I like the side to be disaplined but we take those things like pussies and dont give the ref a hard time. Pearce should have made it clear he was fouled.

The tv commentator said it was a great finish, strangley enough had he hit it cleanly KD probably would have had a btter chance as it would have been straight to him.

Robertson for a forward who was leading the line was dire and I cant see why he doesnt bust a gut to tackle and chase the defenders.That was something BT always did.

We played nice football but it was ineffective,I try not to criticise Surman for shooting as we have be loathe to do so recently but it is from where he is shooting is my concern.

Davis 5

James 7.5 until his bad mistake so 4

Rudi 5

Surman 7

Cork 6

Pearce 4

Perry 6

BWP 7

DMG 6

Robertson 1

Lallana 6.5

 

Jan 1 His decision making is poor to bring on a lightweight in Mills and take off the forward was maddening.To not have Euell in the squad is madness. Iam all for stability and happy for the way we are going with the youth but I have now come to think that Jan is not up to the job.

RL has made a mistake in making him manager (although his coaching has been good) and needs to address this very soon.I myself will accept another 5 games for him to show that he can make the right choices, if not he(Jan) should go.

[Whitey Grandad]

I've had a bit of time to think about this so I logged back in to give my vote to James but now I find that he's not on the list! Last night for the first time I was impressed with him until his awful mistake, but I put that down to poor coaching. He is not a full-back and I don't think he ever will be but further up the pitch I thought he looked very promising. But what is it about our defensive coaches? Surely everyone knows that you don't let the ball bounce? At least he will have learned from his mistake last night and it made no difference to the outcome of the game.

[Window Cleaner]

I see Palace are desperately trying to sell Kuqi, wages too high apparently.

Mind you with 13800 crowds I suppose that stands to reason.

[grasscutter]

The game on saturday was a good indication of what was coming on Monday.No one even got close to getting stuck in , no bookings , no fight and F**k all leadership on the pitch.

 

Go down fighting Saints is not the same as go down which is what it looks like at the moment.

 

Not a happy Saint.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Davis 5

James 7.5 until his bad mistake so 4

Rudi 5

Surman 7

Cork 6

Pearce 4

Perry 6

BWP 7

DMG 6

Robertson 1

Lallana 6.5

 

Jan 1 His decision making is poor to bring on a lightweight in Mills and take off the forward was maddening. To not have Euell in the squad is madness. Iam all for stability and happy for the way we are going with the youth but I have now come to think that Jan is not up to the job.

RL has made a mistake in making him manager (although his coaching has been good) and needs to address this very soon.I myself will accept another 5 games for him to show that he can make the right choices, if not he(Jan) should go.

 

Well I agree that JP's decision making is poor and that Euell should be in the starting line-up. And yes, I have stated from day one that he is not good enough to be manager.

 

BUT, how you can score Rudi LOWER than DMG after last nights performance beggars belief!!!! LOL!!! Rudi was one of our better players last night - didn't you see the 3-4 world class last minute tackles he made in front of goal?! And DMG has to be one of the worst strikers EVER to wear a Saints shirt....and I thought Ormarod was poor!

[OldNick]

Well I agree that JP's decision making is poor and that Euell should be in the starting line-up. And yes, I have stated from day one that he is not good enough to be manager.

 

BUT, how you can score Rudi LOWER than DMG after last nights performance beggars belief!!!! LOL!!! Rudi was one of our better players last night - didn't you see the 3-4 world class last minute tackles he made in front of goal?! And DMG has to be one of the worst strikers EVER to wear a Saints shirt....and I thought Ormarod was poor!

I cant recall the tackles, the one in the first minute he didnt touch the ball and in many games it would have been a pen and sending off. I thought as 1 of the major players he was hardly inspiring but perhaps I did mark him too low.

DMG was not the worst player on the pitch IMO, he was hardly helped by Robertson who I cant understand most of all.Is it because he thinks he is going back to Sheffield and so is not trying to win usover.I was told he was going to cost us 500k in the exchange deal, at the moment that is far too much.As Dyer is not getting a game I expect neither will change clubs.

[OldNick]

by the way , the travelling support was fantastic singing came on the tv mostr of the game and the only time the Palace were heard was when they were safe at 3-0.Even then there was OWTS being sung just before the final whistle.

[Arizona]

Davis 5

James 7.5 until his bad mistake so 4

Rudi 5

Surman 7

Cork 6

Pearce 4

Perry 6

BWP 7

DMG 6

Robertson 1

Lallana 6.5

 

DMG 6? He did f*ck all. I don't actually remember him having a shot on target all night.

 

And how can you possibly think Skacel was worse? I thought he was our best player. Aside from a brilliant tackle to stop us going behind after 50s, then again on 20 mins, then again on 80 mins, I can't remember him misplacing any passes. He also got forward well to support the attack and even found himself in a good shooting possition a couple of times, whilst DMG was wandering around outside the area.

 

I think some people just mark him down because it's Skacel. If it was anyone Fish or Cork putting in a performance like that at FB, we'd all be raving about how he's the next big thing. He was also the only defender who didn't make some terrible mistake in the first 20 mins.

 

As for James, no way was he that good before his mistake. In the first half he was hopeless. The first 20 minutes especially was just hit long balls over his head, or between him and Pearce and watch the chaos unfold. He improved second half to the extend that I'd even say he was average. He got forward, but never created any openings, apart from his shot which spooned off into row Z.

[Arizona]

I cant recall the tackles, the one in the first minute he didnt touch the ball and in many games it would have been a pen and sending off. I thought as 1 of the major players he was hardly inspiring but perhaps I did mark him too low.

DMG was not the worst player on the pitch IMO, he was hardly helped by Robertson who I cant understand most of all.Is it because he thinks he is going back to Sheffield and so is not trying to win usover.I was told he was going to cost us 500k in the exchange deal, at the moment that is far too much.As Dyer is not getting a game I expect neither will change clubs.

 

Maybe the Wolves ref would have given a red card and a penalty, but in the real world that was never a foul.

 

Sky showed several replays, which showed it was a fantastic block and he got his leg in front of the ball before their guy could shoot. The striker (was it Beattie, I can't remember) then just dived hopelessly on the floor to try and get a penalty.

 

Even the Palace players didn't appeal for that, it was a perfectly timed tackle.

[Sussex Saint]

by the way , the travelling support was fantastic singing came on the tv mostr of the game and the only time the Palace were heard was when they were safe at 3-0.Even then there was OWTS being sung just before the final whistle.

 

Great Saints crowd last night and despite the cold and dissappointment on the pitch the atmsophere was brilliant. I travelled back to Sussex on a train load of Palace fans and they all commented on the noise we made.

[chivvy1664]

first goal foul

second goal fair enough good finish

third goal horrendous individual error

 

3-0 flattered Palace kelvin wasnt making a strings of saves was he. but they deservedv to win

 

 

Roberston and Mcgoaldrought pathetic.

Lallana good skills weak shots.

We have serious problems in the attacking third.

Edited 10 December, 2008 by chivvy1664

[OldNick]

Maybe the Wolves ref would have given a red card and a penalty, but in the real world that was never a foul.

 

Sky showed several replays, which showed it was a fantastic block and he got his leg in front of the ball before their guy could shoot. The striker (was it Beattie, I can't remember) then just dived hopelessly on the floor to try and get a penalty.

 

Even the Palace players didn't appeal for that, it was a perfectly timed tackle.

IMO opinion he didnt touch the ball but as the commentators said he made a meal of the3 way he went down. Iam more than happy with Rudi and he did ok.He linked well with BWP and if we had someone instead of Roberstson we may have got some reward.

[Whitey Grandad]

IMO opinion he didnt touch the ball but as the commentators said he made a meal of the3 way he went down. Iam more than happy with Rudi and he did ok.He linked well with BWP and if we had someone instead of Roberstson we may have got some reward.

That was never a foul, it was a sliding block to cover a possible shot to the keeper's left and the referee quite rightly saw it that way too. Rudi was one of the few players who did very little wrong, it's a shame we shall be losing him in January (allegedly).

[Arizona]

IMO opinion he didnt touch the ball but as the commentators said he made a meal of the3 way he went down. Iam more than happy with Rudi and he did ok.He linked well with BWP and if we had someone instead of Roberstson we may have got some reward.

 

He was behind the player, there was no way he could have taken the ball without going through his legs, which would have been a foul. He did the only thing he could and got infront of the player and stopped him shooting.

 

It was a brilliant challenge.

[Matt SFC]

I thought James was our best player out there, although he did make a big mistake. As I couldn't vote for him I gave my vote to super Robertson

[SFC Forever]

On Saturdays performance we are really deeply in the mire. The team finished clueless and spineless.

McGormless is not worth the shirt. James if ever picked should be as a ball boy.

Perry has done well in a couple of games but he can not keep playing like that. He is to slow and to old.

Lallana for all his twinkletoes feet does not produce enough.

Most of this team would never get into another Championship side which in itself says it all.

We are going down the tubes unless the Smirking self opiniated leader wakes up and sorts this mess out. If Jan had half a clue why hasn't he brought some players over from his previous league?

Kids are the future of our club as supporters.My kids have only seen 3 games at home because of the lack of funds. They are starting to turn down the chance to see our team because they get no enjoyment from it. The youngest is starting to ask for his bedroom to be changed from a Saints shrine to a Chelsea one because they do win some games.

SO YES WE ARE IN TROUBLE AND ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS NOT BEING REALISTIC.