Palace V Saints Post Match Chat

[Leicestersaint]

We need to practise shooting - does Lallana ever shoot anymore?

[saint63]

I've been watching Saints for 45 years and this is the poorest team I've seen. Don't misunderstand me, I want them to succeed, but this isn't going to work. If this isn't said loud and clear now it will be too late. Playing pretty football in midfield flatters to deceive. We need -well - where do I start?!!

[hypochondriac]

And if we lose ?

 

Then we will be in a worse situation than we are in now. We currently have a reasonable chance of survival so I shall continue to go to as many games as I can, drinking with my mates and hoping that we will see a saints win. You can continue to moan on here, go absent when we get a victory and then post more than anyone following a loss. If we have lost 30-0 today it would not have changed our points situation so I don't give a toss. We were terrible today but that does not mean we are doomed. I repeat, we have a reasonable chance of survival.

[hypochondriac]

And if you lived your life in fear of what might happen, well you don't really have much of a life at all.

[Legod Third Coming]

And if we lose ?

 

And if we win next week and against Forest?

 

Ifs and maybes are not worth worrying about are they?

 

What do you propose to do?

 

If your angst ridden posts make you feel better, keep going.

 

But my guess is they don't. Not really.

 

Pearson is gone - you have to deal with that. No offence, like, genuinely but I'm with you - would rather we had kept him.

 

We didn't and now we have to hope that this approach will be just good enough in the short term and succesful in the long term.

[Legod Third Coming]

I've been watching Saints for 45 years and this is the poorest team I've seen. Don't misunderstand me, I want them to succeed, but this isn't going to work. If this isn't said loud and clear now it will be too late. Playing pretty football in midfield flatters to deceive. We need -well - where do I start?!!

 

It's not, it's just your age and memory. I've seen much worse teams. Technically this team is as good as any - really. It's just not working consistently yet. That might come. It might not.

[NickG]

I hope that posting that drivel at least made you feel a bit better.

 

Does the fact that I was spot-on about Burley have no bearing on how you view my posts ?

 

you were totally wrong on Burley -the arguement I often had with you was you saying anyone would be better. Me saying we should do better, and if we could improve on him then we should - however I feared we would go for a cheap option and be worse off.

 

GB leaves -board replace with cheap option and go from nearer to play off to nearly relegated.

 

So it does have bearing on how you posts are viewed!

[alpine_saint]

And if we win next week and against Forest?

 

Ifs and maybes are not worth worrying about are they?

 

What do you propose to do?

 

If your angst ridden posts make you feel better, keep going.

 

But my guess is they don't. Not really.

 

Pearson is gone - you have to deal with that. No offence, like, genuinely but I'm with you - would rather we had kept him.

 

We didn't and now we have to hope that this approach will be just good enough in the short term and succesful in the long term.

 

Excuse me, but hypochondriac started paying the "if" game, not me.

[hypochondriac]

And if we win next week and against Forest?

 

Ifs and maybes are not worth worrying about are they?

 

What do you propose to do?

 

If your angst ridden posts make you feel better, keep going.

 

But my guess is they don't. Not really.

 

Pearson is gone - you have to deal with that. No offence, like, genuinely but I'm with you - would rather we had kept him.

 

We didn't and now we have to hope that this approach will be just good enough in the short term and succesful in the long term.

 

Exactly. We have little choice but to pray that the team is good enough to gain more points than three other teams. Saying things like "what if Watford or Charlton improve?" or "What if we lose next week." doesn't come into it. Reflect on the whole situation after each game if you must, but don't take one result or even a few results as an indication that this is how we will always play and that we are doomed to failiure. As I said before, this team is inconsistent. Results like Reading and Derby show that.

[um pahars]

Technically this team is as good as any - really.

 

Sorry, but I just don't buy that.

 

Mr Wu is very technically able, but he is not a good footballer. The current lot re flatteringn to deceive, results don't lie.

[hypochondriac]

Excuse me, but hypochondriac started paying the "if" game, not me.

 

Erm if you read back, I think you will find that was badgerx16 and not me...

[alpine_saint]

you were totally wrong on Burley -the arguement I often had with you was you saying anyone would be better. Me saying we should do better, and if we could improve on him then we should - however I feared we would go for a cheap option and be worse off.

 

GB leaves -board replace with cheap option and go from nearer to play off to nearly relegated.

 

So it does have bearing on how you posts are viewed!

 

That is complete fabricated bolllocks. I was bang on the money with what happened with Burley, and only occasionally suggested who to replace him with, when I normally mentioned Billy Davies, Ian Dowie, Paul Ince or Hoddle. I never said "anyone but", you've just made that up.

 

Get your facts right.

[NickG]

some of the team are pretty good is fairer.

 

The good football is not tricks but decent team football - just important bits at either end needs sorting!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Sorry, but I just don't buy that.

 

Mr Wu is very technically able, but he is not a good footballer. The current lot re flatteringn to deceive, results don't lie.

 

Pretty much what i was going to post.

 

I wish we could "technically" score some more goals

[badgerx16]

Erm if you read back, I think you will find that was badgerx16 and not me...

Did I, sorry.......

[Legod Third Coming]

Exactly. We have little choice but to pray that the team is good enough to gain more points than three other teams. Saying things like "what if Watford or Charlton improve?" or "What if we lose next week." doesn't come into it. Reflect on the whole situation after each game if you must, but don't take one result or even a few results as an indication that this is how we will always play and that we are doomed to failiure. As I said before, this team is inconsistent. Results like Reading and Derby show that.

 

 

This is the one thing signalled by older farts at the start of the season. Kids are notoriously inconsistent. They'll be hurting tonight. It's important they take that pain into the Burnley game and use it!

 

And I divorce my support from the board. I refuse to discuss the cause of this problem until someone gives me a solution!!!!

 

I ain't got one, I can only support the team and manager.

[NickG]

That is complete fabricated bolllocks. I was bang on the money with what happened with Burley, and only occasionally suggested who to replace him with, when I normally mentioned Billy Davies, Ian Dowie, Paul Ince or Hoddle. I never said "anyone but", you've just made that up.

 

Get your facts right.

 

you know thats all correct

[hypochondriac]

Sorry, but I just don't buy that.

 

Mr Wu is very technically able, but he is not a good footballer. The current lot re flatteringn to deceive, results don't lie.

 

Our main problem is that we are very good at some things and terrible at others. It's no use being able to pass the ball around a team if you then cannot shoot the ball into the goal. The team needs to perform to a reasonable standard, not just aspects of it.

[NickG]

Did I, sorry.......

 

if only you hadn't!

[alpine_saint]

Then we will be in a worse situation than we are in now. We currently have a reasonable chance of survival so I shall continue to go to as many games as I can, drinking with my mates and hoping that we will see a saints win. You can continue to moan on here, go absent when we get a victory and then post more than anyone following a loss. If we have lost 30-0 today it would not have changed our points situation so I don't give a toss. We were terrible today but that does not mean we are doomed. I repeat, we have a reasonable chance of survival.

 

So Mr. Hard-Core Ueber Fan will stop going if we have no chance of survival, will he ?

 

Golly-gosh. How dedicated you are...

 

And you lecture me about how I am absent when we win (complete bullshiiit btw)...

[Legod Third Coming]

Sorry, but I just don't buy that.

 

Mr Wu is very technically able, but he is not a good footballer. The current lot re flatteringn to deceive, results don't lie.

 

No, come off it. There was good control and passing out there tonight.

We move the ball around slickly and well but are undone by basic errors.

Put the errors right and have more bite up front and we have a chance.

 

Mr Wu is not technically gifted - he's a ball juggler that's all.

[hypochondriac]

That is complete fabricated bolllocks. I was bang on the money with what happened with Burley, and only occasionally suggested who to replace him with, when I normally mentioned Billy Davies, Ian Dowie, Paul Ince or Hoddle. I never said "anyone but", you've just made that up.

 

Get your facts right.

 

Were you bang on the money when you said we will definitely be relegated last season? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[um pahars]

Saying things like "what if Watford or Charlton improve?"

 

I wasn't saying what if Watford or Charlton improve in the way you are intimating.

 

Instead I was saying that IMHO they are underperforming and could well bounce back from this as their squad is arguably stronger than their league position says (they both also have the parachute payment to play with).

 

Whereas I actually think we have reached our zenith and the current form is about as good as it gets, as I really can't see how we can improve (we may even get weaker as a result of the transfer window and our poor finances).

 

I am looking at the "whole siutation", hence my caveats and rationale to some of my thoughts.

[alpine_saint]

you know thats all correct

 

Yep, I know exactly what I said and it bears no resemblance to the cack you are trying to attribute to me, thanks.

[badgerx16]

Were you bang on the money when you said we will definitely be relegated last season? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

TBF, H, we did cut it a bit fine.

[alpine_saint]

Were you bang on the money when you said we will definitely be relegated last season? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

 

I was 10mins and one goal away from it. Not bad over a 46 match 9-month season.

 

And no doubt a lot f**king closer than you were. Or are now, for that matter.

[hypochondriac]

So Mr. Hard-Core Ueber Fan will stop going if we have no chance of survival, will he ?

 

Golly-gosh. How dedicated you are...

 

And you lecture me about how I am absent when we win (complete bullshiiit btw)...

 

I'm not rising to the bait. If it makes you feel better I will apologise for making my post difficult to understand. I will go to watch saints however they play, whether we have no chance or not. That line was not an important part of my argument.

[NickG]

ok, will leave you to think that if it makes you feel better. You were right we moved on as soon as he left and we should all listen to your informed insightful views. Sorry.

[hypochondriac]

I was 10mins and one goal away from it. Not bad over a 46 match 9-month season.

 

And no doubt a lot f**king closer than you were. Or are now, for that matter.

 

But you were wrong...

[Thedelldays]

we are ****..have some talanted players, could do alot better...as so many other teams in this league are made up with no funds what so ever...

[hypochondriac]

TBF, H, we did cut it a bit fine.

 

I don't care. It's just the ridiculous negative attitude. Why did we not have as good a chance as any other team around the relegation area to stay up last season? Why do we not have as good a chance as any other team around the relegation area this season of staying up? I don't care if we stay up by 2 seconds and one goal this season, the fact is we have a reasonable chance of survival.

[Chap in the Chapel]

Well, as I look at the table tonight with my beloved Saints in 20th position, with everyone below us having a game in hand, and the chance of us being only one point above the relegation zone by the weekend, at least I can comfort myself with the fact that doubtless tomorrow Neil Warnock will have confirmed to our official site that we're the best side that Crystal Palace have played all season and that we're the top footballing team in the division.

 

On an unrelated point, does anyone think that empirical evidence has any part to play when discussing a football team's merits?

[badgerx16]

 

I don't understand how they can be so much worse on TV. Are they that scared?

 

According to JP they weren't motivated.

[hypochondriac]

Ridiculous really. A lot of good football played, a lot of posession but no cutting edge, appalling up front and some terrible errors at the back.

 

Still, the main frustration is that a very, very ordinary Palace team were allowed to cruise to victory. I feel sorry for James as he had done fine until the error, and to be fair, we could have played for hours at 2-0 and never scored anyway.

 

Robertson was appalling. Pearce and Perry were too.

 

I don't understand how they can be so much worse on TV. Are they that scared?

 

Just hope we can get Thomas, Svensson, Schneiderlin, Holmes and maybe Saga back soon. Would make the world of difference.

 

Not giving up just yet though given that we're still a little way above relegation, which was everyones pre-season target.

 

Fair post. You forgot Euell as well.

[um pahars]

On an unrelated point, does anyone think that empirical evidence has any part to play when discussing a football team's merits?

 

Nope, this is a results driven business. You get the same number of points for a gritty win as you do for a pretty win, or in our case you get zilch points regardless of whether we play pretty or poor.

[alpine_saint]

I don't care. It's just the ridiculous negative attitude. Why did we not have as good a chance as any other team around the relegation area to stay up last season? Why do we not have as good a chance as any other team around the relegation area this season of staying up? I don't care if we stay up by 2 seconds and one goal this season, the fact is we have a reasonable chance of survival.

 

And you will still feel that way when half the team is gone by the end of Janurary, of course.

 

Just as long as you and your little buddies can go along and drink your beer - sod any sort of respect or ambition.

 

Christ, what a loser.

[Thedelldays]

is this what it has come to with some fans...not even bothred about the result anymore and just going for the beer???

[badgerx16]

I don't care. It's just the ridiculous negative attitude. Why did we not have as good a chance as any other team around the relegation area to stay up last season? Why do we not have as good a chance as any other team around the relegation area this season of staying up? I don't care if we stay up by 2 seconds and one goal this season, the fact is we have a reasonable chance of survival.

Agreed, but to go with the 'ridiculous negative attitude' we do also get the equally galling "playing this way we are CERTAIN to be safe".

 

As Benjamin Franklin said "'In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

 

If you had to pick a team to play for your life, would you pick this one ?

[saintjay77]

Totally gutted about tonights game but still in the positive camp. people are talking about having no plan B but tonight we couldnt carry out plan A. we know plan A can be effective and as we proved against Reading it can take apart even some of the strongest of teams in the league. but simple mistakes causes the inexperience to show through which makes us look like the biggest pile of pooh in the football league.

 

Sky tatters said that they had spoken to JP and he suggested that Euell wasnt on the same wave length as the kids sometimes and thats why the kids are getting his spot in the team sometimes. Not sure if they were talking about tonight or as a general statement. But surley if he is available then his experience should be more valuable when we have games like these.

 

As with before this game 2 or 3 good results could change the whole season and I will put this one down to the sky camera's and expect a marked improvment against Burnly.

 

1 thing that does worry me is looking completly stupid on tv against Man ure

[um pahars]

I don't care. It's just the ridiculous negative attitude. Why did we not have as good a chance as any other team around the relegation area to stay up last season? Why do we not have as good a chance as any other team around the relegation area this season of staying up? I don't care if we stay up by 2 seconds and one goal this season, the fact is we have a reasonable chance of survival.

 

Because when I looked at the squads last season I really did think that we were better than Scunny, Colchester, Leicester, Coventry, Blackpool & Barnsley. As it turned out four of those did finish below us.

 

This season I think Donny and Forest are definitely poorer than us, but am not at all sure we are better than Watford or Charlton, and why I want Barnsley, Blackpool et al to be dragged back down.

[alpine_saint]

is this what it has come to with some fans...not even bothred about the result anymore and just going for the beer???

 

More than that; its just a piissing contest about who's the bigger fan. Sod the state the club is in.

[Chap in the Chapel]

Nope, this is a results driven business. You get the same number of points for a gritty win as you do for a pretty win, or in our case you get zilch points regardless of whether we play pretty or poor.

 

Apologies for not making it clear that I was posting with my tongue wedged firmly in my cheek!

[hypochondriac]

Agreed, but to go with the 'ridiculous negative attitude' we do also get the equally galling "playing this way we are CERTAIN to be safe".

 

As Benjamin Franklin said "'In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

 

If you had to pick a team to play for your life, would you pick this one ?

 

Oh I have never for one minute thought that we are certainly safe. It's why I've written a few times now that we have a reasonable chance of survival. Even knew this season would be a struggle but as I said we are doing better than I expected.

[hypochondriac]

Because when I looked at the squads last season I really did think that we were better than Scunny, Colchester, Leicester, Coventry, Blackpool & Barnsley. As it turned out four of those did finish below us.

 

This season I think Donny and Forest are definitely poorer than us, but am not at all sure we are better than Watford or Charlton, and why I want Barnsley, Blackpool et al to be dragged back down.

 

I bet Leicester thought the same thing as Watford and Charlton are thinking now...

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Oh I have never for one minute thought that we are certainly safe. It's why I've written a few times now that we have a reasonable chance of survival. Even knew this season would be a struggle but as I said we are doing better than I expected.

 

Would you also agree we have a reasonable chance of relegation as well?

[Wes Tender]

Oh well, as far as I can see nobody at Palace has patronised us by saying that we were the best team that they played all season. More likely that as we hardly threatened their goallie all evening that they'd consider us one of the easiest to beat.

 

Until he made that daft mistake to gift them the third goal, I thought that James was playing the best football I have seen from him so far. All that effort for nothing, as he still ended up being a liability rather than an asset.

 

But I just watched numbly the same old rubbish that I have come to expect from our boys. Plenty of good interplay in the middle of the park, but absolutely no end product and the usual naivety in defence.

 

The only good thing about having the match on Sky was that any scouts who couldn't be bothered to go to the match will have decided that the youngest player on the pitch worth buying belonged to Palace and not us.

[badgerx16]

Oh I have never for one minute thought that we are certainly safe. It's why I've written a few times now that we have a reasonable chance of survival. Even knew this season would be a struggle but as I said we are doing better than I expected.

Lets hope it continues.

 

Anyway, that's enough for tonight, cheers for the banter ( had my £5 worth this evening ).

 

COYR

[hypochondriac]

Would you also agree we have a reasonable chance of relegation as well?

 

Yep. Currently our chances of relegation are worse than four teams though.

[hypochondriac]

Lets hope it continues.

 

Anyway, that's enough for tonight, cheers for the banter ( had my £5 worth this evening ).

 

COYR

 

Cheers. You're one of the good ones

[Legod Third Coming]

Oh well, as far as I can see nobody at Palace has patronised us by saying that we were the best team that they played all season. More likely that as we hardly threatened their goallie all evening that they'd consider us one of the easiest to beat.

 

Until he made that daft mistake to gift them the third goal, I thought that James was playing the best football I have seen from him so far. All that effort for nothing, as he still ended up being a liability rather than an asset.

 

But I just watched numbly the same old rubbish that I have come to expect from our boys. Plenty of good interplay in the middle of the park, but absolutely no end product and the usual naivety in defence.

 

The only good thing about having the match on Sky was that any scouts who couldn't be bothered to go to the match will have decided that the youngest player on the pitch worth buying belonged to Palace and not us.

 

Who says there were no positives from tonight's game?

Agreed about Lloydy, his attacking play was superb - just lacked an end ball and then undid all his good work with one crappy mistake. Still, he finally has started looking like a footballer!