rshephard3 Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 Interesting post. Against the grain on here, and not what I expected if I am honest. I do agree JP, like Gaston, was frustrating. I disagree on Gaston, there have been times when his effort and desire have been clear to see - Villa & Arsenal at home and Fulham away last year he was involved in everything. I think he suffers from the price tag, which wasn't his fault and the fact he is South American. Just because he doesn't run around like a headless chicken he is useless. That's not to say he isn't faultless, or ever has a bad game. I just personally think the stick he gets is way over the top. Also, on his day, Gaston is equally (I'd be more inclined to say more so) of terrorising top defences, he played v well in some of ours wins against some of the big boys last year, Liverpool particularly. I really though the game was crying out for Gaston yesterday. Fair point on the headless chicken thing. Chaplow worked hard but never hugely impressed with the ball. I really would love Ramirez to come good. I believe we have a fantastic midfield with all sorts of options. Only a matter of time before we start turning teams over. On another day we'd have beaten that West Ham team 3-0 and everyone would have been full of praise for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 I wish he would stop just being "potentially good". i like him, but it's been over a year now and he really has shown very little end product in a team that has plenty of possession and creates a lot of chances. When the opportunities are there, who do you blame for the ball not ending up in the net? Also, Ramirez may be disappointing in relation to his fee, but his goals per game ratio is better than JRod's, so in theory (not always the same as practice) if we want more goals, Ramirez has been a better bet so far than JRod. He can't live off the glory of a streak of 3 or 4 good games for much longer. He looks like he could be good, but that's not going to be enough for much longer, surely? I'd like to see him win his place in the starting team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 I wish he would stop just being "potentially good". i like him, but it's been over a year now and he really has shown very little end product in a team that has plenty of possession and creates a lot of chances. When the opportunities are there, who do you blame for the ball not ending up in the net? Also, Ramirez may be disappointing in relation to his fee, but his goals per game ratio is better than JRod's, so in theory (not always the same as practice) if we want more goals, Ramirez has been a better bet so far than JRod. He can't live off the glory of a streak of 3 or 4 good games for much longer. He looks like he could be good, but that's not going to be enough for much longer, surely? I'd like to see him win his place in the starting team. In fairness to j-rod , he created a few chances yesterday, so it isn't his fault those chances weren't taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintru Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 Isn't it great being armchair fans? He's rubbish, he should not play, why is he playing that system etc. Bottom line is that there is not a lot of realism as we react to a defeat, home draw (against lesser teams) with huge negative reaction and if we grab a great win it is Europe. Jay Rod is not a poor player and the fact his he is one of the only players with pace. Last season he ran at the Liverpool defence and scored a great goal, so he is capable. I don't think you can fill a team with one paced players, we will be easy to defend against. I like the way the comment says Dani getting annoyed with J Rod, well hold on he should have scored from 5 yards. Two one paced strikers up top is not working yet and MP may have to make a tough decision soon. There are calls on this thread for GR. I agree that he is the type of player we need, a proper no 10 when he plays well, someone who can slot that through ball. However let's not forget he was slaughtered for most of last season for many poor performances, so we can't pretend he will change things dramatically. On a negative I was not sure about the subs yesterday, though realise that Shaw had to come off. On a positive there is a solid look to the team and Dejan is class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 Isn't it great being armchair fans? He's rubbish, he should not play, why is he playing that system etc. Bottom line is that there is not a lot of realism as we react to a defeat, home draw (against lesser teams) with huge negative reaction and if we grab a great win it is Europe. Jay Rod is not a poor player and the fact his he is one of the only players with pace. Last season he ran at the Liverpool defence and scored a great goal, so he is capable. I don't think you can fill a team with one paced players, we will be easy to defend against. I like the way the comment says Dani getting annoyed with J Rod, well hold on he should have scored from 5 yards. Two one paced strikers up top is not working yet and MP may have to make a tough decision soon. There are calls on this thread for GR. I agree that he is the type of player we need, a proper no 10 when he plays well, someone who can slot that through ball. However let's not forget he was slaughtered for most of last season for many poor performances, so we can't pretend he will change things dramatically. On a negative I was not sure about the subs yesterday, though realise that Shaw had to come off. On a positive there is a solid look to the team and Dejan is class. The reason gaston is slaughtered is because he came with a big price tag (not his fault),is South American (not his fault), and doesn't run around like a headless chicken (not his job). People bleat about what a poor decision it was to let puncheon go, but, Gaston turned in a higher combined goals & assists total in less games last season. Yes, he is inconsistent, show me a young player that isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 Rodriguez scored 9 goals and Lambert 15 doing exactly the same last season, the only difference was that Puncheon was doing what Osvaldo is now. Not in the premier league he didn't, scored 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintru Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 Come on right glove. Give Saints fans some credit. I really don't think the fans get fed up with players due to price tags and the country they are from, it is all about how they play on the pitch. I agree he is a young player, let's hope he gets more chances and comes on this season....we need him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 He's rubbish at this level, he wasn't even outstanding in the Championship. We didn't have him in the championship ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 16 September, 2013 Share Posted 16 September, 2013 We didn't have him in the championship ?! So? He still played in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Come on right glove. Give Saints fans some credit. I really don't think the fans get fed up with players due to price tags and the country they are from, it is all about how they play on the pitch. I agree he is a young player, let's hope he gets more chances and comes on this season....we need him! If that was true, why is puncheon now hero worshipped, whilst Gaston constantly slated? Goals & Assists combined, Gaston contributed more in less games last season. Lets not also foget all this "I'd rather we didn't blow £20m on a Carlos Kickball" when we were linked with Leandro Damiao over the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 I thought JRod had a poor game yesterday, however that doesn't make him a player not worthy of the Prem FFS. Wanyama had a shocking 1st half IMO - Lallana and Lambert didn't really cover themselves in glory either. Fact is to win games you've got to score and at the moment the team are finding that VERY hard. This needs to be sorted out and quick by the coaching staff because there's few answers left in the squad. Perhaps Cork back with Schneiderlin is the answer? Perhaps dropping Lallana or Lambert in favour of Ramirez is the answer? I'm not sure, but I do know something needs to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Unbelievable Jeff!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Poor game by JRod - poor touches and not enough use of his pace. At the moment he doesn't look like scoring to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 We struggle against sides that come to defend. We struggled on Sunday against a side that defended well. A player creates three or four good chances in a game of relatively few chances, in particular the one for Osvaldo which Rodriques crafted and which should have been buried, yet apparently he was rubbish. "Furthermore, Jay Rodriguez will be frustrated that none of his chances created were converted. Against West Ham, he created an impressive four chances, three of which were created inside the Hammers box. If Southampton had their shooting boots on, Rodriguez would have had at least one assist for the Saints. It’s key to note that the former Burnley man also created more chances than the whole West Ham team (3 chances created)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernsaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Jrod has had one smart finish ruled out wrongly this season already stop bedwetting/scapegoating. He terrifies people when played centrally running off Lambert lallana eg Liverpool at home last yr. ^^ Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernsaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 I second that he was not bad at all on sat. If anything he was our main creative man as stated above. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 I second that he was not bad at all on sat. If anything he was our main creative man as stated above. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2 Having just rewatched MOTD2, Rodriguez's influence was a significant part of around 5 of our best chances - he crossed prior to Schneiderlin's overhead kick, ran from halfway to set up Lambert's curler, ran through with Osvaldo for the one Lambert mis-hit from the edge of the box and a couple of others I've already forgotten. That's not a bad involvement in significant chances we created. Also, having seen all the chances we created, it didn't look anything like as boring as it felt to be there. We were pretty unlucky not to win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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