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Toon Saint

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Where are the heavily prejudiced bernard manning jokes on this forum?

 

God you like to obliterate nuance and context from everything don't you? The operative word there is -esque - I never said anyone made any specific Bernard Manning jokes, just outdated prejudiced comments of a similar mould. I'm not gonna wade through your tide of tedium to flag those back up for everyone else, I'm sure you are as equally capable.

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i am not racist. you probably didn't know this, but malcolm x is a famous ginger. fact. google it. that is why i fully support all black people, we are brothers.

 

I fully support them too. I really like them and when one of my black teammates at football plays a good pass or makes a good tackle i always make sure i tell him how well he's done. I also thought it was great that JLS won X-factor as it proves they arent just good at sport too.

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Good comedy IMO. Saw a Dave Gorman stand up last year with a section that was devoted to Daily Mail reader comments. Delivery, and content of comments, had me in stitches. The joke was on the people making those comments.

 

Things can obviously be funny without a 'serious message', but I just don't find heavily prejudiced Bernard Manning-esque jokes funny in this day and age.

 

It's a personal opinon, I have no doubt people will disagree with me (as has been proven). Get your comedy fix from Tom and Jerry for all I care! (Orchard Saint)

 

Probably best to call it a day toon Saint. You have made stuff up and in your quest for outrage, read something into as post that wasn't there, to fuel your argument, when all it did was the opposite. Now you are making judgments on what comedy can be considered good, only to confirm it is personal opinion.

 

Get yourself up to Westminster and see what they are protesting about this week - I am sure you will find a good cause to tie your colours to.

 

The rest of us will just enjoy the football and banter.

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Good comedy IMO. Saw a Dave Gorman stand up last year with a section that was devoted to Daily Mail reader comments. Delivery, and content of comments, had me in stitches. The joke was on the people making those comments.

 

Things can obviously be funny without a 'serious message', but I just don't find heavily prejudiced Bernard Manning-esque jokes funny in this day and age. It's a personal opinon, I have no doubt people will disagree with me (as has been proven). Get your comedy fix from Tom and Jerry for all I care! (Orchard Saint)

 

but you did when they were made? have times changed or have you? comedy is funny to different people, or we would all be laughing to dave gorman dvds. some people find laughing at gays/blacks/gingers/fatties/women funny. so what? the difference is not intent to offend, see frankie boyle still funny, but when it is directed PERSONALLY at someone. as you say, laughing at daily mail readers is ok?

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Toon Saint

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Probably best to call it a day toon Saint. You have made stuff up and in your quest for outrage, read something into as post that wasn't there, to fuel your argument, when all it did was the opposite. Now you are making judgments on what comedy can be considered good, only to confirm it is personal opinion.

 

Get yourself up to Westminster and see what they are protesting about this week - I am sure you will find a good cause to tie your colours to.

 

The rest of us will just enjoy the football and banter.

 

Soz Goebbels. Here was me thinking that a thread discussing homophobia in football would allow me to do so. Notice you didn't intervene or criticise anyone else for derailing the thread with homophobic barbs, gay slurs at me and others, or eugenic theories. You've hardy engaged with anything I said, you just told me to take it to another thread as soon as your strange theories were criticised by a few members. Funny that.

 

But don't let that stop you from acting the Saintsweb overlord.

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does your boyfriend know you're here? is that really INTENDED to offend? really? isn't it not banter?

 

anyway, why is it ok for the minority population to call each other "offensive" names? i know black people who call each other ni***r, gay men who call each other queens and ginger friends who call each other pasty day walkers.

 

if it is ok for them to do it why not everyone else? yet again, offence for the sake of it.

 

orchard, this has been explained already. 'Does your boyfriend' obviously suggests that the oppositions fans are gay. This isn't in itself offensive. However, the implication that there is something wrong with that is offensive. It is only sung by those who intend (but almost certainly fail) to cause offensive.

 

In response to your second question, might I direct you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reappropriation. Although it isn't always acceptable: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/04/black-woman-n-word-court-case.

 

NB, nobody is getting offended for the sake of it, and nobody is getting offended on behalf of others. I'm merely pointing out how stupid people make themselves look when they discriminate.

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orchard, this has been explained already. 'Does your boyfriend' obviously suggests that the oppositions fans are gay. This isn't in itself offensive. However, the implication that there is something wrong with that is offensive. It is only sung by those who intend (but almost certainly fail) to cause offensive.

 

In response to your second question, might I direct you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reappropriation. Although it isn't always acceptable: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/04/black-woman-n-word-court-case.

 

NB, nobody is getting offended for the sake of it, and nobody is getting offended on behalf of others. I'm merely pointing out how stupid people make themselves look when they discriminate.

 

I'm glad you've posted today. Every now and again you think MLG is the most boring person, take everything so very seriously person ever to have an Internet connection and then you read a thread you're involved in and remember he is only second on that score.

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Toon Saint

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Toon Saint doesn't seem as clever or perceptive as DuncanRG. I don't think he's gay at all.

 

Because I didn't engage with your whiggish history of the civil rights movement that all but denied Black Americans any agency?

 

Or because I didn't agree with you comparing a liberal attitudes towards homosexuality with tolerating the sexual abuse of children? I don't need your patronizing put-downs thanks.

 

perhaps he is, but heeds the backing of his fellow forumers to help him out.

 

or he could just be getting morally outraged on someone eles behalf for no reason other to say stuff.

 

Such a cheap and easy thing to say when I've had to battle with the pack mentality of so many of the posters on here.

 

I'd be happy to air my private views in public, not so sure some of you on here would be.

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only if ur v.sexist & are assuming all fans is male. I personally would not subscribe to that stereotype.

 

Exactly. According to a recent poll 33% of football fans these days are women and 16% are of black or Asian origin. Sadly jonesus still seems to be a knuckle dragger stuck in the 80s presuming football is a sport solely for young white males. It could just as easily be sung to the over one in three women in the crowd or the Muslims where homosexuality is forbidden so out of the question they would have a boyfriend so wouldn't apply to them.

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God you like to obliterate nuance and context from everything don't you? The operative word there is -esque - I never said anyone made any specific Bernard Manning jokes, just outdated prejudiced comments of a similar mould. I'm not gonna wade through your tide of tedium to flag those back up for everyone else, I'm sure you are as equally capable.

 

So basically there aren't any, just a few harmless comments on an internet forum. Thanks for overreacting though.

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Because I didn't engage with your whiggish history of the civil rights movement that all but denied Black Americans any agency?

 

Or because I didn't agree with you comparing a liberal attitudes towards homosexuality with tolerating the sexual abuse of children? I don't need your patronizing put-downs thanks.

 

 

 

Such a cheap and easy thing to say when I've had to battle with the pack mentality of so many of the posters on here.

 

I'd be happy to air my private views in public, not so sure some of you on here would be.

 

Christ, you're beginning to sound like pap. Self-pity is not a particularly well liked emotion on this forum (rightly so) so I'd take Gemmel's advice and turn it in, before you reach "Bell-End" status.

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orchard, this has been explained already. 'Does your boyfriend' obviously suggests that the oppositions fans are gay. This isn't in itself offensive. However, the implication that there is something wrong with that is offensive. It is only sung by those who intend (but almost certainly fail) to cause offensive.

 

In response to your second question, might I direct you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reappropriation. Although it isn't always acceptable: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/04/black-woman-n-word-court-case.

 

NB, nobody is getting offended for the sake of it, and nobody is getting offended on behalf of others. I'm merely pointing out how stupid people make themselves look when they discriminate.

 

Eh? No it isn't.

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Christ, you're beginning to sound like pap. Self-pity is not a particularly well liked emotion on this forum (rightly so) so I'd take Gemmel's advice and turn it in, before you reach "Bell-End" status.

 

Yeah pretty much this. Respect the other bloke arguing because he didn't get all uppity and insulting about it.

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Christ, you're beginning to sound like pap. Self-pity is not a particularly well liked emotion on this forum (rightly so) so I'd take Gemmel's advice and turn it in, before you reach "Bell-End" status.

 

Ha, have you read any of the previous thread? If I reach the forum's threshold for 'bell-end' status because I've dared to say there is a real problem of homophobia in football and defending myself against a lot of rubbish, then that says more about you than me dear.

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Because I didn't engage with your whiggish history of the civil rights movement that all but denied Black Americans any agency?

 

Or because I didn't agree with you comparing a liberal attitudes towards homosexuality with tolerating the sexual abuse of children? I don't need your patronizing put-downs thanks.

 

 

 

Such a cheap and easy thing to say when I've had to battle with the pack mentality of so many of the posters on here.

 

I'd be happy to air my private views in public, not so sure some of you on here would be.

 

not comparing gay men who do their business above board with kiddie fiddlers, just pointing out how different cultures view different things as ok. if you want to live in a truly liberal world, then you can NEVER speak out about anyone. be it gay/racist/paedophilia/necrophilia/beastiality/religion or anything. you do however, seem to find certain things offensive, of which i am glad, but you can't decide what other people find offensive or don't. heck, some people find michael mcintyre funny.

 

if you are airing your private views in public, why are you shocked that some people disagree? and why wouldn't anyone want to air their private views? why isn't there a support for nazis day? or internet posters in the minority? or fly a beige flag for anyone who lives with their parents after the age of 40? or any other thing? making an issue (and a very big one mind) out of one that doesn't need to be raised. some people make themselves targets when sometimes, there really isn't a need. (and i don't mean gays)

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Soz Goebbels. Here was me thinking that a thread discussing homophobia in football would allow me to do so. Notice you didn't intervene or criticise anyone else for derailing the thread with homophobic barbs, gay slurs at me and others, or eugenic theories. You've hardy engaged with anything I said, you just told me to take it to another thread as soon as your strange theories were criticised by a few members. Funny that.

 

But don't let that stop you from acting the Saintsweb overlord.

 

LMFAO. You were the one that made something up - Can we agree on that, goodness know how many times you have gone back and re read it, to try and understand how you got it so wrong and how you twisted it to fuel your outrage.

 

Read it again - it says "May be " and "I" (As in me) don't know.

 

We are all made differently and have different make ups, that doesn't mean deficiencies, as you lied about to try and curry favour for your argument. So why on earth would I intervene to support you......especially when you are so wrong.

 

It's strange, I do all home matches and about 75% of away matches and (Think) I could rattle off any song that comes from a Saints fans terrace....... With the exception of anti gay, homophobic songs, of which I don't know a single one - Don't you find that strange for such a massive problem.

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It's strange, I do all home matches and about 75% of away matches and (Think) I could rattle off any song that comes from a Saints fans terrace....... With the exception of anti gay, homophobic songs, of which I don't know a single one

 

Exactly! ******s get it much worse than gays and all just cause they can't find a girlfriend/boyfriend. This is very harsh on posters such as Ludwig and Norway imo. Why is the ref always compared to them? This is V. unfair :(

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LMFAO. You were the one that made something up - Can we agree on that, goodness know how many times you have gone back and re read it, to try and understand how you got it so wrong and how you twisted it to fuel your outrage.

 

Read it again - it says "May be " and "I" (As in me) don't know.

 

We are all made differently and have different make ups, that doesn't mean deficiencies, as you lied about to try and curry favour for your argument. So why on earth would I intervene to support you......especially when you are so wrong.

 

 

Yes, we are all made differently. But how is suggesting that all gay people have a genetic make up that prevents them from competing in sport at a high level in keeping with that? Personally, I don't know how you can't see that as a dangerous, perhaps

even pernicious, statement to make. By doing so you enshrine gay people within a framework which suggests that they will never match up to the normative image of the heterosexual male: physically strong, competitive, aggressive, masculine etc.

 

I haven't lied about anything to 'curry favour' - my views have remained consistent and for me, your theory is rooted in eugenics. It's not a view I subscribe to partly because there are too many terrible historical precedents, partly because I take an anti-essentialist approach to gender and the formation of sexual identity - I.e. selfhood as a historical & culturally specific construct, rather than

something that is biologically defined. I think there is a lot more room for the embrace of difference, heterogeneity, and gender fluidity within that post-structural matrix than the biologically grounded model of homosexual genetics that you proposed.

 

That we will never agree on that, I am sure. I would say one last thing: to say that I am 'so wrong' and once again reassert that there is no homophobic problem purely because you have never encountered it during your time as a fan, needlessly closes down debate and refuses to engage with anything but your own insular worldview - I've hardly maintained its a problem peculiar to Southampton football club have I? In that way it's as totalising as the homosexual/elite sportsman heterosexual model of genetics that you have offered previously.

 

I'm done.

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No one suggested that gay genetics meant that they aren't as good at sport, they said it was a possibility which it could be.

 

It's not the genetics as such, it's the distractions of men in shorts and picking Daisy's that stop them being able to focus on whatever sport it is they are playing.

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Good point and very welcome. I have not seen it but I am sure there is a ton of evidence of this being a real problem in the bookmaking industry.

 

There HAS to be a problem, because as we know, if there aren't any openly gay bookmakers then knowing one in fifty people are gay, at least three of the leading ones are, and probably need help to tell everyone so they can do their jobs better!

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There HAS to be a problem, because as we know, if there aren't any openly gay bookmakers then knowing one in fifty people are gay, at least three of the leading ones are, and probably need help to tell everyone so they can do their jobs better!

 

Now i think about it, I am sure "Does your bookmaker know you are here?" has been chanted (with intent to offend of course)

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So I've learned from this thread that the chant: "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" is actually a genuine, well-meant concern for all the females in the opposing fanbase. What lovely fans we have!

 

For the sake of clarity I suggest we fully expand out the point:

 

"Does your boyfriend know you're here? / Are you alright getting home? / Would you like us to organise you a cab? / Anyway, he's going to be very impressed that you've chosen to come to the game. / Unless he's a poof."

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So I've learned from this thread that the chant: "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" is actually a genuine, well-meant concern for all the females in the opposing fanbase. What lovely fans we have!

 

For the sake of clarity I suggest we fully expand out the point:

 

"Does your boyfriend know you're here? / Are you alright getting home? / Would you like us to organise you a cab? / Anyway, he's going to be very impressed that you've chosen to come to the game. / Unless he's a poof."

 

Its a genuine questions..? I thought it was just a bit of light hearted banter... In fact everyone needs to chill out and learn how to take a good ribbing.

 

What I had learnt from this thread is that nancy boys shouldn't get all shirty about a little banter. Oh yeah, and that we don't care if there are any gay footballers, and if there are we certainly don't want to hear about it.

 

I think I've understood it right, but please everyone feel free to put me right.

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Its a genuine questions..? I thought it was just a bit of light hearted banter... In fact everyone needs to chill out and learn how to take a good ribbing.

 

What I had learnt from this thread is that nancy boys shouldn't get all shirty about a little banter. Oh yeah, and that we don't care if there are any gay footballers, and if there are we certainly don't want to hear about it.

 

I think I've understood it right, but please everyone feel free to put me right.

 

wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. you seem to have read the thread, but not taken the pertinent points out of it.

 

we clearly do want to hear about it. it's just that we couldn't give a monkeys @rseh0le about it. there is defintitely an issue with gays in, or not in, football. anyone can be offended by anything, or nothing, and even if they aren't offended by it, they may, or may not, know someone who would probably be outraged by something or nothing, but still need to tell everyone to be offended on behalf of someone. we are all mindless cavemen/raging nazis/ homophobic thugs, who have no idea how to handle other, different, peoples feelings, and need to be re-educated. but, most importantly JN9, rainbow laces will solve everything! (please see my ebay selling list, as i have just stocked up on a batch of 50,000 sets of rainbow laces, bought off a mr p. power.)

 

I think that just about sums this thread up.

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