Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Yes, if you act like a prat, you're fair game for stick IMO. Although I'd still be against ever bringing race or sexuality into your arsenal (irrespective of the behavior of the other individual). You see the fat person almost certainly has some amount of choice in their weight, whereas the gay person doesn't (and how can you tell there sexuality anyhow?) What about if that fat person has a slow metabolism or an underactive thyroid? How can you tell from their appearance that they dont have som physical or mental condition that means they dont have a choice? How sick and vile and judgmental of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Oh, I'm glad you are so generous with your prejudice. It's a lie to say you have made a 'couple' of jokes when we both know you are probably in double figures, and I've noticed you trolling ART about being gay before on other threads...so you clearly have form. Don't get so rattled just because we are now talking about your fascination with the subject. It's nice to hear that you agree with the use of the word faggot, are you coming round? Ah I see so a few jokes on a messageboard on different subjects is actually prejudice. It's a shame that you feel that way. Peter Herbert likes to get angry about perceived prejudice where there is none as well. Maybe you should contact him as you appear to have a lot in common: http://www.itv.com/news/london/topic/society-of-black-lawyers/ I am interested in this subject but not with homosexuality itself. I'm happy for people to do whatever they like in private as long as it's legal. I'm pleased that in real life my friends be they black, gay, short or whatever are able to give and receive jokes and banter without being labelled prejudiced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Some feed wider systems of oppression - racism, sexism, homophobia - which have further reaching and infinitely more damaging consequences for those affected. Others, though not related to such systems, can be deeply personal - which is why you don't get chants mocking Stilyan Petrov's cancer, and why Billy Sharp might be called fat but won't be mocked for the death of his unborn child. We draw those lines ourselves, but I think some, such as homophobia and classism, need to be shifted. But that's genuinely it now! Can't stay away from you lot, can I... How do they "feed wider systems of oppression"? It's just p**s taking, most of it not very funny, clever or original, but as long as it's not directly personal abuse (like you say re Petrov/Sharp), or threatening abuse, I can't see any reason why it should matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 How do they "feed wider systems of oppression"? It's just p**s taking, most of it not very funny, clever or original, but as long as it's not directly personal abuse (like you say re Petrov/Sharp), or threatening abuse, I can't see any reason why it should matter. That is an important difference IMO. If you were singling a player out and calling them a f*cking bender it is a huge difference from singing does your boyfriend know you're here to Brighton fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 This is dangerous territory turks, Ludwig et al got very angry with me when I mentioned getting offended on other people's behalf. Apparently it is called having compassion for society or something and not as I thought, being a drama queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 That is an important difference IMO. If you were singling a player out and calling them a f*cking bender it is a huge difference from singing does your boyfriend know you're here to Brighton fans. Here are in IMO a few offensive songs and a few non offensive songs. Offensive and should not be allowed Brighton are singing and i dont know why Because when they get outside the faggots are going to die HIV, We hope you die of HIV You dirty, flithy faggots, we hope you die of HIV We hate gays we hate queers We hate people who take it up their rears We are Southampton we hate gays And we hope you all die of Aids Not Offensive (also not partricularly funny) Does your boyfriend know you're here? We can see you holding hands What mosturiser do you wear? Back sack and crack, i bet you back, sack and crack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Those last two were just about you Turks weren't they? You couldn't think of any and just thought, what do I get ripped for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 gay people are renowned for being stylish attractive and popular with the ladies, if someone confuses you for one i'd say its a complement if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 clineque is the answer to the first and my reply is to the second is "I am a real man, i use a gillette" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 To confirm, you Gillette your arse crack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 To confirm, you Gillette your arse crack? dont be ridiculous i get my boyfriend to do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 ^ plus 1 non homophobe rep points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 I'm sure the intent of the joke is to annoy Brighton fans (it doesn't work btw - they are proud of how liberal their city is). However, the 'jokes' are still anti-gay, whether you deem them to be or not. The way the chants works is that stupid people feel that it is in some way offensive to be called gay, so try to undermine others by calling them gay. This of course only works if the person telling the joke, actually thinks that being gay is worse in some way that being straight. Hence, the chants are anti-gay. So you're saying it isn't offensive to call people "gay"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Brighton are singing and i dont know why Because when they get outside the faggots are going to die what is the tune for that one pls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 I believe it is to The Village People 'In the navy' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 So you're saying it isn't offensive to call people "gay"? It's only offensive if offence is intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 what is the tune for that one pls? Something by the Pet Shop Boys Or Erasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 It's in the ****ing navy Turks! Check it it fits. Plus there is the bonus that you will have that song stuck in your head for ages. Your work friends will be loving it when you strut by humming this tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 I believe it is to The Village People 'In the navy' that was obv one of the first tunes i tried but i can't make it scan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 It's only offensive if offence is intended. So if you wore guyliner, a tight white t-shirt and had a spray tan and someone said "you look a bit gay" would you be offended?* *asking for a friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 What ho! This all sounds utterly exhausting. I barely have the time to get offended by comments made about me by people I actually care about, let alone shoulder further offence on behalf of those who I have never met. It's quite remarkable anything actually gets done in Britain today what with all this offending going on! Indeed, there are so many different 'communities' these days I suspect I may have inadvertently become a member of one without even knowing. I assume one can claim offence retrospectively? I only have anecdotal evidence, but I suspect that is all the campaign groups have also, but I really can't recall being privy to homophobic or racist exchanges at any time following Saints home and away for 20+ years. But we are told it is an urgent and pressing issue that must be tackled therefore it must be the case. “There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Oh, I'm glad you are so generous with your prejudice. It's a lie to say you have made a 'couple' of jokes when we both know you are probably in double figures, and I've noticed you trolling ART about being gay before on other threads...so you clearly have form. Don't get so rattled just because we are now talking about your fascination with the subject. It's nice to hear that you agree with the use of the word faggot, are you coming round? Please tell me how many jokes are acceptable per thread and on what topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 that was obv one of the first tunes i tried but i can't make it scan FFS Bear! (In the Navy) Brighton are singing, and i dont know why! Because when they get outside, the faggots are gonna to die Try now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 It's only offensive if offence is intended. Ah so intent IS important! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Good question, that applies equally to any form of communication - and often people overstep the mark of acceptability. I think its perfectly fine to joke about things people have chosen to do, but not about things they have not choice over. For example, Westwood has chosen to be an @rsehole. Anyone with an ego the size of his needs knocking down a peg or 3. Whereas, chanting about someone having ginger hair, when they haven't chosen that fate, is, well not very funny. If you are singing about a fat person who is just watching the game peacefully, then I feel you are out of line. But if two large people start swinging punches, then they deserve a ribbing. why? why can't fat people fight without being ridiculed? that is a very strange stance you have on tolerance. don't laugh because they are fat, laugh because fatties fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 It's in the ****ing navy Turks! Check it it fits. Plus there is the bonus that you will have that song stuck in your head for ages. Your work friends will be loving it when you strut by humming this tune. Surely there must be some song we can invent about a gay, jewish black bloke that can cover all bases? in fact it doesn't even matter if they are any of those things as people get offended by people being called things they aren't anyway. Something like this should help us. I'm going to make up a racist, homophonic anti sematic song about someone who isn't any of those things so we can all be offended by it. Sorry to pick on you Luke no offence mate, or should that be lots of offence mate. Luke Shaw is a n****** He had his forskin chopped off coz he's a jew He takes up the arse and alwasy says thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Something by the Pet Shop Boys Or Erasure. Careful Turkish. You aren't allowed more than a couple of gay jokes or it's prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 FFS Bear! Try now Is not scan you bend- i mean you idiot! Take the first line, In the Navy is 4 syllable Brighton are Singing is 5 syllable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Obviously you sing or hum (depending on your club) in the navy first then Brighton are singing next. FFS you dumb bumdar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Ah I see so a few jokes on a messageboard on different subjects is actually prejudice. It's a shame that you feel that way. Peter Herbert likes to get angry about perceived prejudice where there is none as well. Maybe you should contact him as you appear to have a lot in common: http://www.itv.com/news/london/topic/society-of-black-lawyers/ I am interested in this subject but not with homosexuality itself. I'm happy for people to do whatever they like in private as long as it's legal. I'm pleased that in real life my friends be they black, gay, short or whatever are able to give and receive jokes and banter without being labelled prejudiced. This is the key to the whole subject (perceived or otherwise) ! Accept what you are, respect what others are, but be natural, if you feel that you have to resort to campaigning on behalf of others then it becomes a much bigger issue than it need be ! There is no humour better than 'self deprecation' and we Brits are experts in this ! Most people will interact with their fellow man if the atmosphere is light hearted but will bristle if they detect that someone is 'on a mission' ! Like anything in this world, if you feel sorry for yourself or have any sort of complex, you will feel hard done by, therefore it is better to face up to it, have a laugh and get on with your life ! All in my honest opinion and given my experience of life, of course !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 (edited) Please tell me how many jokes are acceptable per thread and on what topics. Bearsy actually has a bit of charm, and I sense, intelligence; your jokes (in this thread at least) are just a bit dull and ignorant. Subective I know, but I think this is far funnier and more socially conscious than the 'shock value' Family Guy dross that you just posted. [video=youtube;Q9-xvxEqjtw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9-xvxEqjtw Edited 17 September, 2013 by Toon Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Bearsy actually has a bit of charm, and I sense, intelligence; your jokes (in this thread at least) are just a bit dull. Subective I know, but I think this is far funnier and more socially conscious than the 'shock value' Family Guy dross that you just posted. [video=youtube;Q9-xvxEqjtw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9-xvxEqjtw OK so it is the quality of my jokes that you dislike rather than the jokes themselves? That is of course an entirely different issue and nothing to do with prejudice at all. The Bear liked my previous effort with Partridge but I was running out of gay joke material on youtube TBF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 this is what it comes down to. there may or may not be gay footballers. some of them may or may not play for the saints. there is a campaign to make gay footballers speak out and pronounce themselves as gay. WHY? why does there need to be gay footballers. as has been said, it is only an issue when someone makes it an issue. no one is saying all gays should not play football, but why force the issue. does anyone believe that there are any players out there who could play better if they told the world they were gay? would they get a better contract? who cares about the first gay footballer anyway? that has been done, and i can't even think of the americans name who came out earlier. is that their problem, no one really cares? will they just slip into obscurity after all the fuss has died down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Is not scan you bend- i mean you idiot! Take the first line, In the Navy is 4 syllable Brighton are Singing is 5 syllable! calm down princess, your masacra will run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 this is what it comes down to. there may or may not be gay footballers. some of them may or may not play for the saints. there is a campaign to make gay footballers speak out and pronounce themselves as gay. WHY? why does there need to be gay footballers. as has been said, it is only an issue when someone makes it an issue. no one is saying all gays should not play football, but why force the issue. does anyone believe that there are any players out there who could play better if they told the world they were gay? would they get a better contract? who cares about the first gay footballer anyway? that has been done, and i can't even think of the americans name who came out earlier. is that their problem, no one really cares? will they just slip into obscurity after all the fuss has died down? Exactly this. why? Whose business is it and does anyone care anyway? If there werent all these campaigns around to remind us how terrible it all is would we even know how terrible it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 the Secret Footballer dude said he didn't know none and that made me think it must be v.uncommon. I feel like you'd know if one of ur team mates was a gay. To be honest I suspect that teammate reaction is the primary reason for some not coming out - far more so than fan reaction. It only takes one person to poison a dressing room ("don't drop the soap" etc.) in a way that wouldn't ordinarily happen in an office job etc. On one level I support the principle, and I can't say whether people find the "Does your boyfriend" chant genuinely offensive. In my opinion, folical racism is the last bastion of prejudice in our country and I'm sure many a gay supporter has joined in the "look like a wotsit" chant. So where does it stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 OK so it is the quality of my jokes that you dislike rather than the jokes themselves? That is of course an entirely different issue and nothing to do with prejudice at all. The Bear liked my previous effort with Partridge but I was running out of gay joke material on youtube TBF. No it's both. You don't seem to realise that good comedy (not all comedy, I know) works by shedding light on social prejudice/ignorance of the character - you just seem to get your kicks from repeating the prejudiced lines. Family Guy is just too self-consciously 'shock value' for my liking. Gets its laughs by ridiculing celebrities/minority groups but doesn't really have a message or anything to say beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Exactly this. why? Whose business is it and does anyone care anyway? If there werent all these campaigns around to remind us how terrible it all is would we even know how terrible it is? TBF they do like to make a drama out of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 No it's both. You don't seem to realise that good comedy (not all comedy, I know) works by shedding light on social prejudice/ignorance of the character - you just seem to get your kicks from repeating the prejudiced lines. Family Guy is just too self-consciously 'shock value' for my liking. Gets its laughs by ridiculing celebrities/minority groups but doesn't really have a message or anything to say beyond that. So is family guy full of prejudice then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 It's only offensive if offence is intended. does your boyfriend know you're here? is that really INTENDED to offend? really? isn't it not banter? anyway, why is it ok for the minority population to call each other "offensive" names? i know black people who call each other ni***r, gay men who call each other queens and ginger friends who call each other pasty day walkers. if it is ok for them to do it why not everyone else? yet again, offence for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Bearsy actually has a bit of charm, and I sense, intelligence; omg pls stop hitting on me toon saint it makes me v.uncomfortable! xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 (edited) We have got a gay player in our vets side. i thought he is is gay because he gave me a lift to training and he was playing the scissor sisters and wore one of those unitars underneath his kit when we played a preseason friendly against Beadle, it wasn't even cold! THen i saw him looking at my willy in the showers but i didn't mind though because he got a boner and i was quite flattered that he was so impressed by my bum and abs. we all LOLed at him as we knew if he tried to bum any of us there were enough of us to beat him up. Not that i'd do that as i am not homophobic. Edited 17 September, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 No it's both. You don't seem to realise that good comedy (not all comedy, I know) works by shedding light on social prejudice/ignorance of the character - you just seem to get your kicks from repeating the prejudiced lines. Family Guy is just too self-consciously 'shock value' for my liking. Gets its laughs by ridiculing celebrities/minority groups but doesn't really have a message or anything to say beyond that. it is a cartoon intended for a bit of fun. does it really need a message? does the simpsons carry a strong message? or tom and jerry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 it is a cartoon intended for a bit of fun. does it really need a message? does the simpsons carry a strong message? or tom and jerry? Comedy can only be funny if it has a serious message behind it. That's the only comedy to like or it is prejudiced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 We have got a gay player in our vets side. I know he is gay because he gave me a lift to training and he was playing the scissor sisters and wore one of those unitars underneath his kit when we played a preseason friendly against Beadle, it wasn't even cold! I also saw him looking at my willy in the showers but i didn't mind though because he got a boner and i was quite flattered that he was so impressed by my bum and abs. we all LOLed at him as we knew if he tried to bum any of us there were enough of us to beat him up. Not that i'd do that as i am not homophobic. that seems to be an issue. whereby all "straight white males" have to be classed as homophobic with bums to the wall type gags, all gay men must think they will get beaten up for trying it on with said team members. fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 that seems to be an issue. whereby all "straight white males" have to be classed as homophobic with bums to the wall type gags, all gay men must think they will get beaten up for trying it on with said team members. fact Two of my team are black and they loled at his boner too. (although we had to point out it was boner as it was still smaller than theirs soft) Black people can be homophobic too you racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Two of my team are black and they loled at his boner too. (although we had to point out it was boner as it was still smaller than theirs soft) Black people can be homophobic too you racist. i am not racist. you probably didn't know this, but malcolm x is a famous ginger. fact. google it. that is why i fully support all black people, we are brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Comedy can only be funny if it has a serious message behind it. That's the only comedy to like or it is prejudiced. Good comedy IMO. Saw a Dave Gorman stand up last year with a section that was devoted to Daily Mail reader comments. Delivery, and content of comments, had me in stitches. The joke was on the people making those comments. Things can obviously be funny without a 'serious message', but I just don't find heavily prejudiced Bernard Manning-esque jokes funny in this day and age. It's a personal opinon, I have no doubt people will disagree with me (as has been proven). Get your comedy fix from Tom and Jerry for all I care! (Orchard Saint) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 Good comedy IMO. Saw a Dave Gorman stand up last year which was devoted to Daily Mail reader comments. Delivery, and content of comments, had me in stitches. The joke was on the people making those comments. Things can obviously be funny without a 'serious message', but I just don't find heavily prejudiced Bernard Manning-esque jokes funny in this day and age. I t's a personal opinon, I have no doubt people will disagree with me (as has been proven). Get your comedy fix from Tom and Jerry for all I care! (Orchard Saint) Where are the heavily prejudiced bernard manning jokes on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 17 September, 2013 Share Posted 17 September, 2013 omg pls stop hitting on me toon saint it makes me v.uncomfortable! xx Your message tells me one thing, your kisses another #confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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