Post Match Reaction: SAINTS 0-0 West Ham

[SuperMikey]

Looks like we could've had a penalty at the end with Nolan sticking his arm out at the ball and then taking it away right away. MOTD pundits agree.

[Smirking_Saint]

Looks like we could've had a penalty at the end with Nolan sticking his arm out at the ball and then taking it away right away. MOTD pundits agree.

 

Would have been soft really

[Jonnyboy]

Watching the highlights we were by far the better team, and I feel more positive about the season than at 5pm. Going to have to beat some top 6 teams like last season though.

[SuperMikey]

Would have been soft really

 

I'm not sure, if that's not "meaningful contact" with his arm on the ball then I don't know what is. Didn't want it going behind him to the far post.

[Graffito]

Would have been soft really

 

Nope. Would have been a justifiable penalty.

[syd_barrett_saint]

Nope. Would have been a justifiable penalty.

 

And the flight of the ball clearly changed, so if a penalty wasn't given, it had to be a corner. But obviously it was a penalty as he touched it with his hand, and it was hand to ball at the side of his body, not ball to hand, not in front of his body. Couldn't be clearer. But I guess the ref missed it completely.

[Wes Tender]

Just watched Big Fat Sam's comments on Schneiderlin's tackle, claiming that it was a red card offence all day long, how lucky he was to remain on the pitch etc. Well, BFS, you bloody hypocrite, what did you think about your player O'Brien's two footed tackle from behind on Lallana? Should he have gone off too, or should that only apply to the other team's players and not the thugs and cheats in your own team?

 

Any comment on the gamesmanship of Nolan, fooling the officials over his deliberate handball, Sam?

[Whitey Grandad]

And the flight of the ball clearly changed, so if a penalty wasn't given, it had to be a corner. But obviously it was a penalty as he touched it with his hand, and it was hand to ball at the side of his body, not ball to hand, not in front of his body. Couldn't be clearer. But I guess the ref missed it completely.

 

Wouldn't have been a corner. Jaaskelainen gathered the ball.

[syd_barrett_saint]

Wouldn't have been a corner. Jaaskelainen gathered the ball.

 

My bad, I guess I'm seeing things. Is there a replay/highlights anywhere online yet?

[Smirking_Saint]

And the flight of the ball clearly changed, so if a penalty wasn't given, it had to be a corner. But obviously it was a penalty as he touched it with his hand, and it was hand to ball at the side of his body, not ball to hand, not in front of his body. Couldn't be clearer. But I guess the ref missed it completely.

 

A penalty is given for a deliberate handball, it clearly wasnt deliberate. If it was given against us Id be annoyed, it should have been a corner.

[syd_barrett_saint]

A penalty is given for a deliberate handball, it clearly wasnt deliberate. If it was given against us Id be annoyed, it should have been a corner.

 

His arm was by his side and he had plenty of time to make sure he didn't touch the ball with it. I've seen penalties given when blasted at players from two yards. This was more of a penalty. Define deliberate. Lack of intent to remove your arm from the flight of the ball when given plenty of time to do so? Could fall under deliberate.

[Saint_Tony]

The higlights flatter us, we were poor. Wesr Ham showed nothing but we struggled to break them down, as I expected. Thought Wanyama was very poor, gave the ball away constantly

[ottery st mary]

Some of you need to take a deep breath and think about what you are writing,lots of jerking of the knees and doom merchants.

Things are not very exciting at the moment but we are not getting outplayed,teams will line up to stop us from playing and we just need to find a way around that.

Wham are a horrible team with a terrible manager who will be very content with a point,they play basic bustling football because that's all they are capable of,they came for a point and that's exactly what they got,we played some good football at times but they were there to break up the play and we didn't find a way to rise above it.

A few players looked jaded because of international games and the keeper played a blinder,west ham played dirty,wasted time and basically frustrated,nothing more than I expected tbh.

Good football will always win over that sh!te served up to wham fans,they will eventually find their level and so will we,I will bet my life that our level will be much higher.

 

 

Totally sums it up for me..

 

Thank you

[austsaint]

why bring Ward-Prowse on to play right midfield when it's 0-0?

 

I thought we looked less of a threat when JWP and Chambers came on - at 0-0 it looked a situation made for Ramirez. On another day with better luck Saints win 2-0. On the subject of JWP - great dead ball delivery and neat and tidy on the ball but at this stage he doesn't look a player who will take the game up a level; run and take on defences or play dangeros through balls. I know he is young, but it's as if he's being willed and hyped to be the answer.

[Plonko]

I reckon this thread would have looked a lot different if Jaska...Jascer....Ja...... Wham's goalie hadn't had such a good game. We made some good chances and got outdone by a keeper playing a blinder. If a couple of those chances had gone in then I reckon we'd have been talking about how we dominated the game.

[Saint_Tony]

It's almost like we're using West Ham being a 'horrible side' as an excuse for our own failings

[trousers]

Apologies if already posted but just noticed that the Echo ban from St Mary's was lifted today...

 

@SimonPeach: Good to see the Southern Daily Echo boys back in the St Mary's press box.

[DuncanRG]

The higlights flatter us, we were poor. Wesr Ham showed nothing but we struggled to break them down, as I expected. Thought Wanyama was very poor, gave the ball away constantly

 

The highlights demonstrate how many times we broke them down.

[Reynoldson!!]

Surprised with all the negative reactions, thought we played well and were unlucky, especially considering the weather. People expect us to have it on a string in those conditions? If Jusskelainen didn't play a blinder it would have been a solid 2 Or 3-0, people need to settle down.

 

Also didn't think Wanyama was that bad either, he was a massive presence and seemed to be everywhere. Some wayward control and passing, yes, but again I didn't really expect him to have it on a string in those conditions. I would give him a 7 though

[70's Mike]

Same problem we have had at home for last 3 seasons, teams who put 11 behind the ball and play 2 out wide to restrict our full backs getting behind them.

We need teams to come to play to hit them on counter attack.

[adrian lord]

. On another note, the atmosphere was f*cking awful.

Feels like we're at the cinema for most of the game.

 

Our support was enbarrassing.

[positivepete]

http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/719962/MatchReport/England-Premier-League-2013-2014-Southampton-West-Ham

 

If you check out the player positions on this site, it demonstrates how WHam strung 6 across the middle of the park to stifle us. As many have mentioned they put great effort in stopping Shaw and Clyne getting forward.

 

If just one of those chances had gone in with no other changes in the play this thread would be very different. Jaaskelainen was rightly MoM. It is far too early to panic yet the table after 10 games rarely resembles the table at the end of the season. Ignore the trolls!

[Georgie]

With regards to Morgan's tackle (I haven't seen a replay of it), is there a chance that retrospective action could be taken on it?

[OldNick]

With regards to Morgan's tackle (I haven't seen a replay of it), is there a chance that retrospective action could be taken on it?

yes as a free kick was not given. It was not a malicious tackle. Obriens was worse but as he was booked nothing more can be done. West Ham didn't have 3of their best players and so they came to stifle.it worked. We are frustrated because we didn't score,had we done so it would have been a different game

[Barry the Badger]

http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/719962/MatchReport/England-Premier-League-2013-2014-Southampton-West-Ham

 

If you check out the player positions on this site, it demonstrates how WHam strung 6 across the middle of the park to stifle us. As many have mentioned they put great effort in stopping Shaw and Clyne getting forward.

 

If just one of those chances had gone in with no other changes in the play this thread would be very different. Jaaskelainen was rightly MoM. It is far too early to panic yet the table after 10 games rarely resembles the table at the end of the season. Ignore the trolls!

 

Wow that makes us look narrow!

[Smirking_Saint]

Same problem we have had at home for last 3 seasons, teams who put 11 behind the ball and play 2 out wide to restrict our full backs getting behind them.

We need teams to come to play to hit them on counter attack.

 

Like Norwich ?

[Turkish]

Same problem we have had at home for last 3 seasons, teams who put 11 behind the ball and play 2 out wide to restrict our full backs getting behind them.

We need teams to come to play to hit them on counter attack.

 

And that's the problem isn't it. Teams aren't going to just let us play to our strengths, we seem to have no other option.

[pangy]

A good old 4-4-2 with 2 pacy wingers to getting to by line and whip it into the mixer for the big man at the back stick, yes?

 

 

No those days are gone

 

What I would like to see is players playing in there actual position,we play to many people out of position we needed some who could create something in the middle I am not saying Gaston is the answer because he is inconsistent but we had all summer to do something. Wingers that actually have pace so if need be we have a option out wide. Our game is too one dimensional,too narrow and we are getting snuffed out

[Graffito]

"My life is always about studying the opposition and asking the team to maybe play the same system, but in a different way to nullify the opposition's strengths and expose their weaknesses." Allardyce before yesterday's match.

[Chez]

I thought we looked less of a threat when JWP and Chambers came on - at 0-0 it looked a situation made for Ramirez. On another day with better luck Saints win 2-0. On the subject of JWP - great dead ball delivery and neat and tidy on the ball but at this stage he doesn't look a player who will take the game up a level; run and take on defences or play dangeros through balls. I know he is young, but it's as if he's being willed and hyped to be the answer.

 

that is exactly how I feel to a tee.

[Turkish]

"My life is always about studying the opposition and asking the team to maybe play the same system, but in a different way to nullify the opposition's strengths and expose their weaknesses." Allardyce before yesterday's match.

 

Well he did that to a tee didn't he. Despite what a lot of the divs on here say, he is a very good manager with a good record. He's teams might not be attractive but they get results.

[Chez]

I'm not sure, if that's not "meaningful contact" with his arm on the ball then I don't know what is. Didn't want it going behind him to the far post.

 

I've not see it on MOTD, but at the time I shouted pen and I was right up the other end. The reaction from Nolan was that of a very guilty man so for me there was intent.

[svetigpung]

we are totally narrow. This was obvious against Norwich.

 

and getting rid av Puncheon made us narrower

 

and stopping Clyne and Shaw will be on every opponents tactic sheet

[DT]

Well he did that to a tee didn't he. Despite what a lot of the divs on here say, he is a very good manager with a good record. He's teams might not be attractive but they get results.

However ugly it was, he showed he was more tactically astute than MP, which isn't to say I'd prefer him as our manager. Just that MP doesn't seem to be too good at thinking on his feet. Or seeing the need for players who can pick the lock. Has he got a defender's mindset?

[Give it to Ron]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/match/109243/southampton-vs-west-ham/player-ratings must of been watching the same Wanyama as me and not the sheep on here.....4.5 yet Lambert who was atrocious got a 6.

 

Its not his fault Cork isnt playing and I believe we can accomodate all 3 and release Morgan forward more yet reading above he was rubbish and he certainly wasn't. How many games last season did teams just stroll through our midfield yet yesterday West Ham had 5 or 6 in there and we hardly gave them a sniff at our goal.

[Stepgar]

Nonsense, the save from Osvaldo and especially Morgan was superb.

 

Absolutely - If AB had stopped those shots we would all be creaming in our pants, but instead most people on here just want to dig the knife. He saved them a point make no mistake about it.

[Barry Sanchez]

Absolutely - If AB had stopped those shots we would all be creaming in our pants, but instead most people on here just want to dig the knife. He saved them a point make no mistake about it.

 

Most would be creaming in their pants but the realists on here would simply say it was a good save and hardly a Gordon Banks.

[Barry Sanchez]

Our support was enbarrassing.

 

Was? Its been **** since we left the Dell. it allowed too many prawn sandwiches in. thank christ I only go when I am back down there nowadays.

[Smirking_Saint]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/match/109243/southampton-vs-west-ham/player-ratings must of been watching the same Wanyama as me and not the sheep on here.....4.5 yet Lambert who was atrocious got a 6.

 

Its not his fault Cork isnt playing and I believe we can accomodate all 3 and release Morgan forward more yet reading above he was rubbish and he certainly wasn't. How many games last season did teams just stroll through our midfield yet yesterday West Ham had 5 or 6 in there and we hardly gave them a sniff at our goal.

 

Its that age old thing when a player is out of the side for a period he becomes infinately better, the thing is we are struggling to score goals, not letting in too many. Corks inclusion isnt going to change much there as Wanyama is a very effective ball winner despite the fact that his retention is poor.

 

I thought Lambert looked ok if not spectacular. His link up with Ossie is improving but his lack of any pace whatsoever is telling.

 

Lallana was terrible, slows down play, poor touches, poor delivery, he worked hard but was totally ineffective.

 

J Rod was good for me despite the criticism he gets on here, his touch was off but he wasnt the only one. What he did give us was direct running and tried to get WHU on the back foot instead of slowing things and letting them regroup

[Gemmel]

We are not firing on all cylinders, but we are far from being cr@p. A bit of luck and the rub of the green and we would have beaten both sunderland and west ham.

 

That's MP's job and he has to find those tweaks and small changes to make it work, but we are not a million miles away from being a very good team.

 

Lovren looks like an amazing signing.

[rooney]

We were much the better team as stats confirmed but our first touch was poor as was Wanyamas passing, but maybe down to conditions . I would have brought on Ramirez for Lallana to try an open them up more. I think Jack Cork deserves a recall for Wanyama now.

[Smirking_Saint]

Most would be creaming in their pants but the realists on here would simply say it was a good save and hardly a Gordon Banks.

 

They were not the worldies they were made out to be but were decent saves. He did keep them in the game. I felt he got lucky with the osvaldo chance.

 

On hindsight we probably should of nicked it but IMO shoukd isnt good enough and as I have been saying since the end of last season we are struggling to score which is worrying.

 

Slowing things down when we are on the counter is not the answer.

[Turkish]

However ugly it was, he showed he was more tactically astute than MP, which isn't to say I'd prefer him as our manager. Just that MP doesn't seem to be too good at thinking on his feet. Or seeing the need for players who can pick the lock. Has he got a defender's mindset?

 

i think you're probably right, there is nothing wrong with shutting up shop and being difficult to beat away from home and to be fair our away form isnt' too bad under him. It's at home where we need to break teams down that we struggle. We haven't wont at home since we beat Chelsea, 4 draws at home against West ham x 2, Sunderland and Stoke and a hammering against WBA are simply not good enough.

[Sour Mash]

Its that age old thing when a player is out of the side for a period he becomes infinately better,

Was Cork not voted 2nd best player of last season?

[Turkish]

They were not the worldies they were made out to be but were decent saves. He did keep them in the game. I felt he got lucky with the osvaldo chance.

 

On hindsight we probably should of nicked it but IMO shoukd isnt good enough and as I have been saying since the end of last season we are struggling to score which is worrying.

 

Slowing things down when we are on the counter is not the answer.

 

I agree, the Schnerlin one where it bounced off the turf was a good save, Osvaldos was a bad miss and he simply dived and spread himself like any keeper would, hoping it would hit him, the one from Lambert was routine and made to look good for the cameras.

[Smirking_Saint]

Was Cork not voted 2nd best player of last season?

 

Yes and he is very good but playing him wont change anything at all in an attacking sense, if anything Wanyamas better defensively then cork so releases Morgan a bit more as we saw yesterday.

 

Not got anything against cork

 

Do keep up sunshine

[Turkish]

Was Cork not voted 2nd best player of last season?

 

and widely agreed that his return to the side coincided with our upturn in form.

[Sour Mash]

Yes and he is very good but playing him wont change anything at all in an attacking sense, if anything Wanyamas better defensively then cork so releases Morgan a bit more as we saw yesterday.

 

Not got anything against cork

 

Do keep up sunshine

So your point about people's opinions of players going up when they're not playing is cleary wrong. Keep up sunshine.

[Saint Troy]

I agree, the Schnerlin one where it bounced off the turf was a good save, Osvaldos was a bad miss and he simply dived and spread himself like any keeper would, hoping it would hit him, the one from Lambert was routine and made to look good for the cameras.

 

I think the Osvaldo one was a really good save and a bit harsh on the goalie - he was quick, he got fwd as well as across very quickly and spread himself well - yeah its sort of just chucking yourself but theres a reason some people are better at it than others and its not just luck, Osvaldo hit the target - will certainly feel he could've done more but to me that was still a very good save. Morgans also - the others really a bit meh and should be saved.

[Smirking_Saint]

So your point about people's opinions of players going up when they're not playing is cleary wrong. Keep up sunshine.

 

My point was cork is out of the side and now people are saying his inclusion will lift us to a new super scoring level despite the fact that we were having the same problem last year and essentially he os a defensive midfielder that isnt as good at winning the ball as VW ?

 

Personally I dont give a toss if we pick Vic or Cork, it wont make much of a difference to me, Vic lets Morg have a longer leash but gives the ball away more, cork needs a man next to him but keeps it better ?!?

 

We are struggling to score, not letting goals in. What we need is changes to the way we play higher up the pitch, not necessarily from a defensive sense.

 

I have noticed you have started following me around a little which is quite sweet.