Red Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 why bring Ward-Prowse on to play right midfield when it's 0-0? Because he was so much more effective than what we had before! He provided the only really quality passing to the front men. My question would be why did he not start, or at the very least come on at half time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Not really have a clue what you are on about to be honest Batman, I know what you did in that 3rd film and the pit, what was that all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 He stopped everything Bazza. Agree about the game lacking quality though, it was pretty dire at times. They were so compact at the back that we couldn't break them down. They came for the point, they got it. He stopped everything that was not a lot too be honest, as I say the best of a bad bunch, lacking quality in all areas today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 He stopped everything that was not a lot too be honest, as I say the best of a bad bunch, lacking quality in all areas today. Nonsense, the save from Osvaldo and especially Morgan was superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Davefoggy and Roger - the next Cannon & Ball perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We just need Cork back for Wanyama. Reinstate the best midfield pairing in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Seriously Lallana needs to be dropped and not be captain. Agreed, it's got to be political that he's made captain. I don't go for all this NC picks the team, but I can think of no other reason he's skipper. Playing wise, he's a fanny. A 5-a-side player, all little triangles, and soft passes. Over-rated IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Davefoggy and Roger - the next Cannon & Ball perhaps? Kp turner, bury you're head in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 You only learnt that today?! He is my most hated footballer in the prem. I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Just a bsd day From the BBC Jussi Jaaskelainen produced several brilliant saves as West Ham came away from Premier League rivals Southampton with a fortunate point. The 38-year-old denied Dani Osvaldo, Morgan Schneiderlin and Rickie Lambert with three spectacular stops in a match dominated by the Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Kp turner, bury you're head in the sand. Sorry Roge - I really shouldn't pick on you Simpleton's. It's not fair. You do keep me amused though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Just a bsd day From the BBC Jussi Jaaskelainen produced several brilliant saves as West Ham came away from Premier League rivals Southampton with a fortunate point. The 38-year-old denied Dani Osvaldo, Morgan Schneiderlin and Rickie Lambert with three spectacular stops in a match dominated by the Saints His stop from Osvaldo wasn't "spectacular", it was a **** poor finish from Osvaldo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Some of the comments here are genuinely laughable. Fact is we should of beaten them today (Osvaldo's miss from close range was a great chance TBF). My reasoning for feeling we should of won is based on the fact they had key players out up front and came to spoil things. They did their job superbly whilst not really threatening (due to their missing players). Job done by West Ham. Keeper had a blinder and got them the 3 points. Credit where its due. To call what West Ham did today anti football is derogatory. Saints were unlucky and lackluster in equal measure. We'll beat better teams than West Ham this season and lose to worst ones. Instead of blaming individuals I am looking forward to Pochettino solving the issue of how best to set his team up to beat teams that play like West Ham did today. As some have discussed it seems genuine width is missing. I am still convinced our full-backs are key but were not allowed to play today. Fair enough. It'll be interesting to see how he aims to get them more involved. From a non-knee-jerking, non-clapper non-wrist-slitter. As you were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 If WHam are really that gash - how is it we never took them apart - we were at home, with the red army behind us, playing a gash team and we failed to win - we even failed to score. I think the truth is that we are both pretty average teams really. We may have shown a little more than them but then again - you would hope that would be the case being at home. BFS really has got them hoofing it - the old and bold at WHU must be cringing having to watch that dross every week. Really think it is time to drop all talk of Champions League now - Sky presenters and BBC are referring to it and it's more than a little bit embarrassing - we are nowhere near that level. As somebody else said on a different thread - let's try and get our 40 points first - judging by our early games that might take us some time. FWIW I thought we looked pretty comfortable at the back today, but showed little craft in the middle and up front to really unlock them. If we can't unlock dross at home then we are likely to struggle to improve upon last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Some of the comments here are genuinely laughable. Fact is we should of beaten them today (Osvaldo's miss from close range was a great chance TBF). My reasoning for feeling we should of won is based on the fact they had key players out up front and came to spoil things. They did their job superbly whilst not really threatening (due to their missing players). Job done by West Ham. Keeper had a blinder and got them the 3 points. Credit where its due. To call what West Ham did today anti football is derogatory. Saints were unlucky and lackluster in equal measure. We'll beat better teams than West Ham this season and lose to worst ones. Instead of blaming individuals I am looking forward to Pochettino solving the issue of how best to set his team up to beat teams that play like West Ham did today. As some have discussed it seems genuine width is missing. I am still convinced our full-backs are key but were not allowed to play today. Fair enough. It'll be interesting to see how he aims to get them more involved. From a non-knee-jerking, non-clapper non-wrist-slitter. As you were... It is a good post to be fair (apart from the "should of" instead of "should have" twice!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Wanted - Sam Allardyce for crimes against English football. We were slow in the final third with poor touches and passes but still had enough to bury them. 4 points lost just in the last two games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 His stop from Osvaldo wasn't "spectacular", it was a **** poor finish from Osvaldo. Spread himself brilliantly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 What's the bet we score a good goal next week and lose Yet the wrist slitting will go on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 What's the bet we score a good goal next week and lose Yet the wrist slitting will go on No simply a fair assessment will do, we played poorly and the chances we did have we did not take, no wrist slitting simply the point we were lacking in quality across the park today, accept and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 No simply a fair assessment will do, we played poorly and the chances we did have we did not take, no wrist slitting simply the point we were lacking in quality across the park today, accept and move on. You accept and and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 What's the bet we score a good goal next week and lose Yet the wrist slitting will go on Anfield. A place that's very difficult to go to this season & come away with anything. If we score a goal up there - and lose - then I think even the most hardened of Saints fans will admire our effort & dogged determination to get something from the game. A home game against Sunderland - and a home game against West Ham however - without winning either - in a league where "you have to win your home games" - doesn't & shouldn't be something to clap about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Too slow and too passy in the final 3rd is our major problem. Same problem will persist with pinochio's tactics. Playing the passing game is well and good but it needs an end product. We need balls coming into the box from the wings to serve the strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Anfield. A place that's very difficult to go to this season & come away with anything. If we score a goal up there - and lose - then I think even the most hardened of Saints fans will admire our effort & dogged determination to get something from the game. A home game against Sunderland - and a home game against West Ham however - without winning either - in a league where "you have to win your home games" - doesn't & shouldn't be something to clap about. Home to Sunderland/West Ham (or Wigan, Fulham, Hull etc) - average, workmanlike performances with no cutting edge Away to Liverpool (or Mancs/Chelski) - we will look like worldbeaters, get the odd well earned win or lose narrowly whilst receiving plaudits for our play. Tis the Southampton Way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 You accept and and move on I think the realists have, we will be around 12th-10th this season at best, we will not achieve European places as it stands without actually catching up better teams and spending more than them on a consistent basis. The clappers need to address this and then move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Some of you need to take a deep breath and think about what you are writing,lots of jerking of the knees and doom merchants. Things are not very exciting at the moment but we are not getting outplayed,teams will line up to stop us from playing and we just need to find a way around that. Wham are a horrible team with a terrible manager who will be very content with a point,they play basic bustling football because that's all they are capable of,they came for a point and that's exactly what they got,we played some good football at times but they were there to break up the play and we didn't find a way to rise above it. A few players looked jaded because of international games and the keeper played a blinder,west ham played dirty,wasted time and basically frustrated,nothing more than I expected tbh. Good football will always win over that sh!te served up to wham fans,they will eventually find their level and so will we,I will bet my life that our level will be much higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 I think the realists have, we will be around 12th-10th this season at best, we will not achieve European places as it stands without actually catching up better teams and spending more than them on a consistent basis. The clappers need to address this and then move on. Don't think too many disagree TBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Not enough width and too predictable. That said if we had put away some of our chances we'd all be saying job done. We can all moan at Wham's negative approach but Saints need to quickly figure out how to get round teams set up like this because they are going to face a lot more like this at SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 It is a good post to be fair (apart from the "should of" instead of "should have" twice!) Damn you!!! My apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 A fun reflection over this forum is that the ones saying people are deluded to think we can be top 8 are the ones that complains the most when we fail to win games like this.. If you expect us to finish 10th-14th´ish then the result today were quite expected for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 A fun reflection over this forum is that the ones saying people are deluded to think we can be top 8 are the ones that complains the most when we fail to win games like this.. If you expect us to finish 10th-14th´ish then the result today were quite expected for you? Another game which we didnt win despite having more shots at goal......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Another game which we didnt win despite having more shots at goal......... Yep, you think West Ham out-performed us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Watching the game back. Something I didn't spot earlier - hotheaded Osvaldo running over to Schneiderlin when it all started kicking off and pulling him away from trouble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Yep, you think West Ham out-performed us? Did we win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Rule 1 for Wum´s. When you dont have an answer to a question you get, answer with a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Rule 1 for Wum´s. When you dont have an answer to a question you get, answer with a question. We had more shots at goal and didnt win, again. Your point on this is looking laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Watching the game back. Something I didn't spot earlier - hotheaded Osvaldo running over to Schneiderlin when it all started kicking off and pulling him away from trouble! I spotted that at the time. Seemed to be quite composed considering his reputation. Thought he had a good game. On another note, I really think Wanyama's getting a bit of unfair stick on here. He wasn't bad, started slowly and misplaced a few simple passes but thought he got better in the second and actually didn't have THAT bad of a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We had more shots at goal and didnt win, again. Your point on this is looking laughable. So you still haven´t learn the difference between "performances" and "results".....oh well maybe you learn in 2-3 years, surely they must learn you that in 4th grade?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 So you still haven´t learn the difference between "performances" and "results".....oh well maybe you learn in 2-3 years, surely they must learn you that in 4th grade?? Maybe in 2-3 years you'll learn which one of those two mean anything in proffesional sport, surely they must learn you that in 4th grade? Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Maybe in 2-3 years you'll learn which one of those two mean anything in proffesional sport, surely they must learn you that in 4th grade? Oh what a comeback kiddo.....please try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Oh what a comeback kiddo.....please try harder. Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Playing with 3 strikers (4 if you count AL) and 2 defensive midfielders no wonder we cant seem to score.no creative mid no actual wingers.it has potential to be a very long season for us unless this team starts to click,this whole play from position thing doesn't wash with me,you play players out wide (wingers) they need to be able to beat a man for pace and put a ball in,why do we have nobody that can do that ???? I am pretty sure we are the only team in the league that play this formation without actual wingers !! Teams will know that we play a very narrow game and will snuff us out,I am sure it will all work out but the worrying thing for me at the moment is that there is no plan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 On another note, I really think Wanyama's getting a bit of unfair stick on here. He wasn't bad, started slowly and misplaced a few simple passes but thought he got better in the second and actually didn't have THAT bad of a game. He misplaced rather a lot of simple passes and often put us under unnecessary pressure. I really like VW but today he was awful. I thought MP should have hauled him off after his yellow. Had a couple of good attempts in the 2nd half, but was woeful first half at the job he is supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Playing with 3 strikers (4 if you count AL) and 2 defensive midfielders no wonder we cant seem to score.no creative mid no actual wingers.it has potential to be a very long season for us unless this team starts to click,this whole play from position thing doesn't wash with me,you play players out wide (wingers) they need to be able to beat a man for pace and put a ball in,why do we have nobody that can do that ???? I am pretty sure we are the only team in the league that play this formation without actual wingers !! Teams will know that we play a very narrow game and will snuff us out,I am sure it will all work out but the worrying thing for me at the moment is that there is no plan B A good old 4-4-2 with 2 pacy wingers to getting to by line and whip it into the mixer for the big man at the back stick, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Jaaskelainen was not awesome he was simply the best of a bad bunch, it was a dire game lacking in real quality and the failure of both sides to break each other down, lack of quality is key here as when did we ever get behind them and open them up? We didn't ever. Ermm... Early in the 1st half jrod ( I think) got to the byline and pulled it back for osvaldo who should have scored. The very definition of getting behind them and opening them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Seriously confused by the fact that MP took off Lallana who was having a good enough game but left on Jrod who was **** poor today, his first touch was shocking on 6 or 7 occasions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Because he was so much more effective than what we had before! He provided the only really quality passing to the front men. My question would be why did he not start, or at the very least come on at half time? I must have dozed off and missed that quality passing to the front men. Two free kicks and some doggies was my recollection of his contribution. Note that I have nothing against JWP. He is a decent prospect, but if we need a little more going forward in a tight game such as today I think he offers very little in the way of penetration or a change of pace. He's a central midfielder not a right sided player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 What beggars belief is we spend 17 million on Osvaldo and then continue with Lallana as captain. He has absolutely no idea and believes being Captain empowers him to do just as he wants. He should never be allowed to take corners or free kicks. That's something that even Adkins spotted. With Rodriguez, Oswaldo, Fonte and Lallana in the penalty area, best corner taker would be Lambert. He would have placed the ball such that one of the above mentioned would have easily scored today. In the England Under 21's game Shaw did a magnificent job of pin point placings from corners and free kicks. If JWP is playing then naturally he must take therm. Why do we fans spot the problems, even come up wth solutions and Pochettino is devoid of action or ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 I must have dozed off and missed that quality passing to the front men. Two free kicks and some doggies was my recollection of his contribution. Note that I have nothing against JWP. He is a decent prospect, but if we need a little more going forward in a tight game such as today I think he offers very little in the way of penetration or a change of pace. He's a central midfielder not a right sided player. Not so much passes but his free kicks and corners. Gary Neville was waxing lyrical, about the only quality in the game apart from JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Yep, you think West Ham out-performed us? I dont think Sunderland outperformed us either but I am getting worried at the lack of goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 God knows how we didn't win that one. If it was not for their keeper it would of been a mauling. Some of the best saves I have seen for a long time and rightly he won motm. We hit the post, had a ball scrambled off the line, and then 3 or 4 world class saves. Just lacking that bit of luck. I also felt we should of had a penalty for Nolan's handball. We should of won this game easily and I don't remember Boruc having to make a save all game. We played some good football at times, some nice link up play. But overall it was very scrappy with both teams losing the ball with poor passes. Got no worries at all. Like I said last week, sooner or later someone is going to get a mauling from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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