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Sour Mash

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We weren't free scoring under NA,(in the PL) we scored more than we are at present but we had lost at home to Wigan at this time last season, and not scoring in that game. Was it because Puncheon was not playing?
Once Adkins had a full strength team (Cork + Shaw) we played good, attacking football that didn't do us too bad in terms of results. We've now changed the manager, spent a fortune and have gone backwards and what's more are bloody dull to watch!
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captainchris

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The problem is not necessarily personnel as tactics.

 

We have far too many players too far advanced, this gives us a headache when trying to play out of defence as every one is too far apart, too far away and too easily marked and closed down. Osvaldo was often too far up the pitch. He needs to come and get involved in the build up and make the ground up to get into box. The first half in particular he was not involved in the game and almost a 'goal hanger'. However the, what amounted to 'front four' were not involved in the game first half and consequently we struggled to create and control the game.

Second half was better but as one or two have said SRL and Osvaldo may not work though this does go against my statement that it's not necessarily personnel I must admit.

Defence looks pretty good which was probably our weak point last year however not sure we have improved elsewhere despite high spending. Have we bought players and changed our setup to accomodate them when we would have been better to keep the system and put new in players within the existing shape.

At the moment definately fear against good opposition we could get overun with too many players out of the game right up the pitch.

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Sour Mash

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We needed a decent ball winning player better than what we had. You have to give the player a few more games yet before saying Wanyama is not. I agree his passing was poor in the first half, but he was an intimidating figure in the second half and improved.we will not be bullied with him in the side
Why? We had the best defensive midfield partnership in the country.
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Wanyama has been okay, but not especially better than Cork. Rodriguez still has yet to prove himself after a year in the team. Lallana can't take a corner. Last year Cork returning to the side was a turning point, here's hoping.

 

For what it's worth I only saw the second half today and in isolation, it was good football from us. Sounds like it was just as we'll I missed the first half.

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We had a relatively easy start compared to most of the league, and after spending the money we have which was meant to 'push us to the next level' we still can't beat 3 average midtable sides in Sunderland, Norwich and West Ham. Seems like this season will be similar to last. Somewhere between 12-16th I reckon. But on another day we may have won comfortably today. On another note, the atmosphere was f*cking awful.

Feels like we're at the cinema for most of the game.

 

What did you expect from MoPo v FatSam at 4-00 on a wet and windy Sunday afternoon?

 

Not happy with what I saw on the box, but very happy that I dodged a £150 wasted day out today.

I'm going to Liverpool next week (where 0-0 would be a great result!)

 

We need to find some attractive/goal scoring/winning football before I pay SMS prices.

 

Palace holds no appeal to me at all, it could be anything from 4-0(as if!) to 0-1, will probably be 0-0 or 1-1.

 

We have gone massively backwards and we need to turn it round majorly before we start selling out again.

 

Today's game? Compared to last season we are much stronger at the back, weaker in midfield, and equally as woeful up front.

 

Time for 4-3-3? Our attacking full-backs appear a busted flush at the moment (2-2-6? it hasn't happened so far in four mid-table games) and even FatSam has got wise to our game plan.

 

We have a decent back four, let's let them concentrate on keeping the goal against down to manageable proportions (they are doing OK so far).

 

Midfield, where do you start? We have swapped one of Europe's leading stats men and his ultra reliable sidekick for a rabbit-in-the-headlights and a Sunday parks player. Morgan and Cork need to BOTH play henceforth, the third man can be VW or SD or JWP, all have different attributes and all three CDAJFU, the team can be picked around: home/away, form, oppo etc.

 

Which leaves three players to stick it in the net! Osvaldo looks top draw and plays every game, my second pick (Turkish will love this) would be our fastest player, for me that's JRod and he 'starts' every game (where's the hate coming from? Is he the new Gully? No worse than anyone else today). The third attacker is fluid: Lambert as a 9? Lambert as a 10? Lallana, poor game today but decent in the first three games? Gaston? Nothing to say here, the question mark says it all really.

 

What we are doing now isn't working in terms of scoring goals so something (?) has to change. The clappers will say the their GK was man of the match, but beyond Osvaldo's miss the rest of it was pretty routine, at no time after the first five minutes did I feel we could win that game, the last 2 minutes were played out around our box and MP's reaction at the final whistle said it all, take a point and move on.

 

People that were bigging up the Sunderland result must be feeling a bit silly tonight. We played well at West Brom for large parts but it looks like they are going to be struggling, we failed to beat Sun'lan who most people knew were shi7, we lost at Norwich (a so so result), and we've been pretty poor at home to what resembled a Championship team, hardly the next level is it?

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Same old Saints, can't beat teams that don't want to beat us. Are we now that much of a bigger club than West Ham that they don't think they have the ability to win against us? Ironic that Collins should put their only chance about 60 feet over the bar. Complete anti football team and I really hope fat Sam falls flat on his backside and takes them down.

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Great second half :)

 

Wanyama showed flashes of what he was capable of but needs to up his game, I'd like to see Cork in home games playing it on the floor and Wanyama as a battering ram/ defensive option in away tests. Osvaldo is a phenomenal talent, by far the best player on the pitch today and I have a sneaking suspicion he will score a hatful in this league. Morgan was very poor, Jrod looked good but his first touch and positional sense let him down and Lambert looked a bit off the pace. Clyne had a solid if unspectacular return and Lovren/ Fonte were typically assured.

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Barry Sanchez

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Great second half :)

 

Wanyama showed flashes of what he was capable of but needs to up his game, I'd like to see Cork in home games playing it on the floor and Wanyama as a battering ram/ defensive option in away tests. Osvaldo is a phenomenal talent, by far the best player on the pitch today and I have a sneaking suspicion he will score a hatful in this league. Morgan was very poor, Jrod looked good but his first touch and positional sense let him down and Lambert looked a bit off the pace. Clyne had a solid if unspectacular return and Lovren/ Fonte were typically assured.

 

Pure conjecture and hopeful aspiration as opposed to a realistic outlook, admirable but nothing to suggest there is any truth in it.

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Both teams set out negatively - nil nil was inevitable, minimal chances and very little creativity. Far too many long balls, we opened up it up second half more but the final ball was league 2 quality and living in Devon I know what that looks like. I've got tickets for the Palace home game and hoping we at least give it a go in that one. Forgetting to get another winger/forward in with pace looks a very costly oversight – especially as Wanyama looks poor - and Jack Cork must feel rather aggrieved because our CM department is dreadful.

 

My ratings:

 

Boruc 7 - Solid, good early save from Maiga and when WHU got through when he wouldn't have seen the offside flag

Clyne 6 - Defensively OK, didn't get forward much

Shaw 6.5 - Got forward more than Clyne, Maiga did him for strength at times but part of his development

Lovren 7.5 - Mr Reliable

Fonte - 7 Tidy enough, second hald distrbution better than first

Wanyama 4- Worked hard but poor man's Carlton Palmer with no first touch, seriously I see better technique at Exeter or Torquay. Saints got mugged by Lennon.

Morgan 4.5 ne of the worst games I've ever seen him have for us and lucky not to be booked at least once. Decent second half effort on goal raised his score

Lallana 4 - Woeful miscontrol when he should have scored when Osvaldo put him in and poor set pieces

J Rod 4- Nice early run and cut back but poor performance after that, frequently mis-controlled and never read the game.

Osvaldo 7 - Should have scored early on but his vision and work rate were first class. Not his fault Lallana and J Rod can't control through balls.

Rickie - 7 Good outlet whenever we used him, which was not enough. Need to get Sinclair, Rowe and Isgrove regularly feeding off him if we must play this negative formation.

 

JWP 7 - Instant improvement over Adam, shame we wasted two great deliveries

Chambers 6 - Solid enough

 

Agree with most of this. Wanyama was very poor first half and one of my mates expressed similar sentiments to yourself, but think it's a little soon for saying we got mugged. He was excellent vs West Brom, but think that Poch needs to learn when best to deploy him. When are are supposed to be taking the game to the opposition and seizing the initiative then I'd much prefer to see Cork in there.

 

Morgan was equally as terrible in the first half, but think the real problem is the balance of the team at the moment which dates back to after the Reading away win.

 

Playing a variation of 4-4-2 with Lallana and Rodriguez as the wingers will never work and their control and reading of the game was absolutely abysmal today.

 

Best performances and results came last year with an AMC trio of Rodriguez, Davis, and Puncheon or Lallana, Ramirez, and Puncheon.

 

We need to get overall balance of team right before worrying about Osvaldo and Lambert partnership. Personally, I'd try and get back to the 4-2-3-1 with Osvaldo up top as offers that bit more mobility.

 

Use Lallana, Ramirez, and JWP as the AMC three, and think about dropping Wanyama for Cork. Once we get the passing rhythm back in the team we can start to look at getting Lambert and Osvaldo clicking together, but for me the general balance in team is the most pressing concern.

 

At the moment, we look nothing like the high-octane, swashbuckling side that we were when turning over Liverpool, City, and Chelsea. So negative in the first half and I think Poch left his subs far too late today.

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Its simple, bring back Adkins. This experiment with the Argie has gone on too long. He is utterly clueless and has no plan b. we simply never look like scoring....ever

 

Simply laughable

We are 11th in the league ffs

 

Whilst Adkins is 9th in a league below

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We've had easy games, spent loads of money, Adkins finished 2nd with us in that league tho

 

Sorry, what easy games?

We they easy when we lost home and away to Sunderland and WBA last season?

 

There are no easy games in the prem. Jesus Christ

We have the front to call top 4 club arrogant for claiming they should sweep us aside

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They were playing Avicii's 'wake me up when it's all over' before kick off in the concourse. Pretty much summed it up for me. We had 3 or 4 really decent efforts on target and we'd have put a couple of them past a lesser 'keeper. The Hammers came for a point and got it. On the down side, that's 4 games against average Prem teams and we have yet to score from open play. On the plus side we are defending well and controlling large parts of the game. In short, we are very close to being a bloody good side, if we can find that cutting edge up front we will be there.

 

I would urge patience towards Ossie and VW. Both are clearly talented from what I've seen. Asking players to come into the Premier League and we good is one thing but to be consistently good will invariably take time. Players like Bergkamp, Pires and Henry came to England were garbage for a whole season, so we should be patient IMO.

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Sorry, what easy games?

We they easy when we lost home and away to Sunderland and WBA last season?

 

There are no easy games in the prem. Jesus Christ

We have the front to call top 4 club arrogant for claiming they should sweep us aside

 

I thought Sun'lan away was 1-1? Stand to be corrected, I'd had a few....

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Jaaskelainen was awesome, West Ham were absolute dogsh!te and so were we.

 

Jay Rod's first touch is absolutely appalling at the best of times, and I wouldn't have played him today in those conditions. Really lacked a killer ball in the final third.

Jaaskelainen was not awesome he was simply the best of a bad bunch, it was a dire game lacking in real quality and the failure of both sides to break each other down, lack of quality is key here as when did we ever get behind them and open them up? We didn't ever.
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Jaaskelainen was not awesome he was simply the best of a bad bunch, it was a dire game lacking in real quality and the failure of both sides to break each other down, lack of quality is key here as when did we ever get behind them and open them up? We didn't ever.

 

Apart from, we did ?

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Jaaskelainen was not awesome he was simply the best of a bad bunch, it was a dire game lacking in real quality and the failure of both sides to break each other down, lack of quality is key here as when did we ever get behind them and open them up? We didn't ever.

JRod pulled the ball back for Osvaldo, and also for MS 's overhead kick

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I think we should be happy we don't have to watch WH every week...anyway, the only way today could have been watchable is if Osvaldo had put away the early chance.. lallana/Rodrigues could also have scored but their ball control was abysmal; lessons from lambert required.

MP has yet to gel the new players into the team, but that takes time.. and we still need Ramirez on the pitch to open up tired defences.

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Agree with most of this. Wanyama was very poor first half and one of my mates expressed similar sentiments to yourself, but think it's a little soon for saying we got mugged. He was excellent vs West Brom, but think that Poch needs to learn when best to deploy him. When are are supposed to be taking the game to the opposition and seizing the initiative then I'd much prefer to see Cork in there.

 

Morgan was equally as terrible in the first half, but think the real problem is the balance of the team at the moment which dates back to after the Reading away win.

 

Playing a variation of 4-4-2 with Lallana and Rodriguez as the wingers will never work and their control and reading of the game was absolutely abysmal today.

 

Best performances and results came last year with an AMC trio of Rodriguez, Davis, and Puncheon or Lallana, Ramirez, and Puncheon.

 

We need to get overall balance of team right before worrying about Osvaldo and Lambert partnership. Personally, I'd try and get back to the 4-2-3-1 with Osvaldo up top as offers that bit more mobility.

 

Use Lallana, Ramirez, and JWP as the AMC three, and think about dropping Wanyama for Cork. Once we get the passing rhythm back in the team we can start to look at getting Lambert and Osvaldo clicking together, but for me the general balance in team is the most pressing concern.

 

At the moment, we look nothing like the high-octane, swashbuckling side that we were when turning over Liverpool, City, and Chelsea. So negative in the first half and I think Poch left his subs far too late today.

 

Did I just post this? Echoes my thoughts.

 

Get back to the shape that was delivering for us. Play either Ossie or SRL. I am starting to get ****ed off with MoPo.

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If only the league works like that

 

I am sure if people are inclined there are a few golden clapper posts saying our first 4 were easy and well winnable, that are European assault was a given, sorry laughing my ******** off and the reneged posts and backtracking on here, its cracks me up, the clappers are losing it already, at least last season they put up an argument and discussion.

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I am sure if people are inclined there are a few golden clapper posts saying our first 4 were easy and well winnable, that are European assault was a given, sorry laughing my ******** off and the reneged posts and backtracking on here, its cracks me up, the clappers are losing it already, at least last season they put up an argument and discussion.

 

Not really have a clue what you are on about to be honest

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Jaaskelainen was not awesome he was simply the best of a bad bunch, it was a dire game lacking in real quality and the failure of both sides to break each other down, lack of quality is key here as when did we ever get behind them and open them up? We didn't ever.

 

He stopped everything Bazza. Agree about the game lacking quality though, it was pretty dire at times. They were so compact at the back that we couldn't break them down.

 

They came for the point, they got it.

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