trousers Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Letting Pucheon go was a colossal mistake of Fitz Hall proportions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Yup, we were scoring freeley in the last games of last season and he is a workd beater..... We have no width, little creativity, and he offered something different. He was also good in the Villach games. Whats you explanation why we are sh*t going forward, and whats your solution ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raynesparksaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Admirable that we are trying to stick to the principles of playing from the back, but we have to pick our moments better, West Ham were wise to it from the off and we looked much productive going direct today as we had a strong forward line, Osvaldo in particular. Wanyama is such a huge presence defensively but his passing is woeful at times, especially when you compare to Cork. Against better teams we will come unstuck conceding possession as often as he did. Thought JWP might have been a bit lightweight for that game but his set pieces made me think he should have come on a lot earlier. Champions League talk is a bit embarrassing. On this evidence there's more chance of me buying the DVD of today's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Dont know why J Rod gets slated so much, he is easily our most direct attacking threat, played well today. Lallana, Lambert and Ossie seem to hold on too long and allow the opposition to regroup. Id have bought Gaston on as he is direct aswell, but there we go. Wanyama is quality defensively but he gives the ball away too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Dont know why J Rod gets slated so much, he is easily our most direct attacking threat, played well today. Lallana, Lambert and Ossie seem to hold on too long and allow the opposition to regroup. Id have bought Gaston on as he is direct aswell, but there we go. Wanyama is quality defensively but he gives the ball away too much Jrod was poor in the final third too many times when breaking. But he offers pace and set a couple up. Throughout this season, our final ball has not been good enough. The few times it has we have looked dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Boruc 6: Had nothing to do besides the early save from Diame. Clyne 6: Didn't get forward enough but was solid enough defensively in both positions. Fonte 6: Solid enough. Lovren 7: Solid enough and looks composed on the ball too. Shaw 7: Looked good in the first half, faded in the second then got injured again. Morgan 7: Was perhaps our stand out player, if we really had to pick. Good goal attempts, unfortunate not to score. Wanyama 7: First half performance was a 5 but he did improve and had a decent long range goal attempt. Lallana 6: Did very little, which is worrying as he's perhaps our most creative player. Osvaldo 6: Obvious quality but nothing went his way. JRod 6: Aside from setting up the chance for Osvaldo, did very little. Lambert 6: Hit the post but not his day either. Pochettino 5: Dropping JWP who's arguably been our best player this season, and not bringing on Ramirez when we were crying out for creativity was worrying. Seemed happy with the point at the final whistle too. All in all we should be winning games like this is we have hopes of progressing up the league this season. Does another 14th place finish beckon? Too early to tell. All views are IMO and not subject to debate. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Could have won but wouldn't have deserved it. Don't know what we were trying to do formation and tactics wise but our passing was terrible. Don't enjoy watching us at the moment, an absolute dearth of quality in our play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Thought the lads put in a decent shift today. Thought Wanyama was decent, as was Morgan, Shaw, Fonte and Lovren. Jay-Rod, Osvaldo and Lallana extremely wasteful at times (particularly Osvaldo in front of goal) I expected it to be a draw before the match, so wasn't overly dissappointed, it could've easily gone the other way had Collins turned in that great chance they had near the end. The build up play wasn't bad, but we've got to find a way to break teams down, we're unbelievably wasteful in the final 3rd its unreal. Jay Rod in the first half running in from the left into the box, had Lambert, Osvaldo, Lallana and Morgan in the box instead tried to go round the WHU defender and got tackled. C'est La Vie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 The team just doesn't function without wingers or attacking full backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We will humped by Liverpool next week. We have given up the midfield playing both lambert and osvaldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 At this rate Cortese must have be carrying a gun in his trench-coat pocket ready to pull the trigger. We're playing the dross and can't in or score a single goal. Pochettino is sh*te and talks complete boll*cks. We've got the players but to date he has never picked a decent starting line up. The clock is ticking, if he doesn't pull a rabbit out of that stubborn, deluded block head of his. ****ayama was really poor and we've been stitched up paying 12 million. How the supporters weren't able to create a "Jack Cork" chant beats me. Gutted to think this sh*te is going to be the norm all season whilst Pochettino remains completely deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 £35m spent... and we're going backwards. Can't believe Jack Cork doesn't even make the bench yet again. For our home games at least, he should be replacing Wanyama. The reason Morgan isn't the same this season is because Cork's not alongside him. That game was crying out for pace - especially towards the end when West Ham were getting tired/cramp. But sadly, we don't have Puncheon on the bench anymore. Got to win your home games they say. And that's very true - especially against the likes of Sunderland & West Ham. But we haven't. And yes, we may have more points than this stage last season - but that's because we have had a much "easier" start than last season. Oh well, On to Liverpool away it is then. Pochettino needs this week to find himself a game plan for Anfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 £35m spent... and we're going backwards. Can't believe Jack Cork doesn't even make the bench yet again. For our home games at least, he should be replacing Wanyama. The reason Morgan isn't the same this season is because Cork's not alongside him. That game was crying out for pace - especially towards the end when West Ham were getting tired/cramp. But sadly, we don't have Puncheon on the bench anymore. Got to win your home games they say. And that's very true - especially against the likes of Sunderland & West Ham. But we haven't. And yes, we may have more points than this stage last season - but that's because we have had a much "easier" start than last season. Oh well, On to Liverpool away it is then. Pochettino needs this week to find himself a game plan for Anfield. We lost and drew against Sunderland and west ham last year and lost away to WBA Going backwards? Hmmmm not so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 defensively we have improved greatly from this time last season , Lovren looks a steal at £8m. Took us 15(?) games to get a clean sheat last season, have 2 already. Time to perhaps start with only one of RL or DO, Dani looked a real threat in the 2nd half. Jrod offers us something different but is so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Jack "I don't score" Cork is getting better with every game I see, just what we need when we are lacking goals !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We lost and drew against Sunderland and west ham last year and lost away to WBA Going backwards? Hmmmm not so sure Surely spending £35m in the summer was supposed to propel us forward a fair bit this time around... especially against the likes of Sunderland & west Ham - at St Mary's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Surely spending £35m in the summer was supposed to propel us forward a fair bit this time around... especially against the likes of Sunderland & west Ham - at St Mary's? We never spent £35m more than them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We lost and drew against Sunderland and west ham last year and lost away to WBA Going backwards? Hmmmm not so sure We also beat Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Jack "I don't score" Cork is getting better with every game I see, just what we need when we are lacking goals !!! Wanyama has had two stinkers in a row. If we've got a squad and there is competition for places, now is time for him to reminded of the performance levels required for the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Clean sheet and the start of another unbeaten run. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 start with gaston instead of lambert, jwp instead of j-rod and then up the tempo considerably i thought sam got his tactics spot on, everyone knows exactly how we play (thanks to all the analysis people keep publishing) and that we can't break teams down - same as against sunderland and norwich, park the bus and hit us on the counter. 4 goals in 2 games is terrible but we have 5 more points that this time last year also the conditions suited west ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We also beat Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool last year I know We are already 5 points better than 12 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 I can't see how fans say we didn't deserve to win. Their keeper was the star,if we had gone a goal up, Wham would have had to open up and then it was going to be a different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Both teams set out negatively - nil nil was inevitable, minimal chances and very little creativity. Far too many long balls, we opened up it up second half more but the final ball was league 2 quality and living in Devon I know what that looks like. I've got tickets for the Palace home game and hoping we at least give it a go in that one. Forgetting to get another winger/forward in with pace looks a very costly oversight – especially as Wanyama looks poor - and Jack Cork must feel rather aggrieved because our CM department is dreadful. My ratings: Boruc 7 - Solid, good early save from Maiga and when WHU got through when he wouldn't have seen the offside flag Clyne 6 - Defensively OK, didn't get forward much Shaw 6.5 - Got forward more than Clyne, Maiga did him for strength at times but part of his development Lovren 7.5 - Mr Reliable Fonte - 7 Tidy enough, second hald distrbution better than first Wanyama 4- Worked hard but poor man's Carlton Palmer with no first touch, seriously I see better technique at Exeter or Torquay. Saints got mugged by Lennon. Morgan 4.5 ne of the worst games I've ever seen him have for us and lucky not to be booked at least once. Decent second half effort on goal raised his score Lallana 4 - Woeful miscontrol when he should have scored when Osvaldo put him in and poor set pieces J Rod 4- Nice early run and cut back but poor performance after that, frequently mis-controlled and never read the game. Osvaldo 7 - Should have scored early on but his vision and work rate were first class. Not his fault Lallana and J Rod can't control through balls. Rickie - 7 Good outlet whenever we used him, which was not enough. Need to get Sinclair, Rowe and Isgrove regularly feeding off him if we must play this negative formation. JWP 7 - Instant improvement over Adam, shame we wasted two great deliveries Chambers 6 - Solid enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Wanyama much better in the second half. Some poor touches from Lallana and Jay Rod in good positions. Thought Ward-Prowse did well when he came on. We played some decent stuff at times. I reckon MP will stick it out with his attackers for another game or two before making any changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 **** poor result and a very disappointing performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Can't believe the negativity here this evening, today was trench warfare and we could have won or lost. Iffy ref and dodgy conditions,anyway a draw isn't a bad result compared to our usual standard after international breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Poor game, as Gary Neville stated, we have to little width. Would like to see us lining up like this next week: ------------- Boruc ------------ Clyne ---- Fonte --- Lovren--- Shaw ------ Cork ----- Schneiderlin---- Osvaldo ----- Ward Prowse ---- Lallana ------------- Lambert ---------- Wanyama started well against WBA, but has been poor lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Admirable that we are trying to stick to the principles of playing from the back, but we have to pick our moments better, West Ham were wise to it from the off and we looked much productive going direct today as we had a strong forward line, Osvaldo in particular. Wanyama is such a huge presence defensively but his passing is woeful at times, especially when you compare to Cork. Against better teams we will come unstuck conceding possession as often as he did. Thought JWP might have been a bit lightweight for that game but his set pieces made me think he should have come on a lot earlier. Champions League talk is a bit embarrassing. On this evidence there's more chance of me buying the DVD of today's game. I believe I spoke of this less than 24 hours ago and got whalloped for it, the clappers and unrealistic dominate this board to the extent that you post a level headed thought and iut gets hammered for not being positive enough, maybe after today they can see we are not going into Europe anytime soon. All this talk even only a few weeks ago of us being better than Arsenal and Everton and the like after a late winner at West Brom merely shows what level of fan we now have since the Dell went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We have no width, little creativity, and he offered something different. He was also good in the Villach games. Whats you explanation why we are sh*t going forward, and whats your solution ? We arent ****, we are just too slow. Puncheon really isnt that goid, he popped up with a few goals but last year he gave the ball away a lot. Makes me laugh that he has now been elevated to godlike status and the answer to our prayers despite the fact we couldnt score last season either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Jack "I don't score" Cork is getting better with every game I see, just what we need when we are lacking goals !!! Jack retains the ball, which VW doesn't and it is putting a lot of pressure on Morgan. I've stuck up for Lallana when he was getting some unfair stick last season but today was unacceptable. He and J Rod need a break, perhaps even a short loan to the NPC to get confidence but there is zero competition for their positions. Mayuka must be appalling if he can't oust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Can't believe the negativity here this evening, today was trench warfare and we could have won or lost. Iffy ref and dodgy conditions,anyway a draw isn't a bad result compared to our usual standard after international breaks. That's true to a certain extent... ... ... but than I start to think of when we last scored during open play - or scored more than just once. Whichever way you look at it - it's a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonko Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Is it too late to bring Guly on for Wanyama now? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We played the better football by far and played some great stuff in spells. We lack a cutting edge, but I am not sure why, as we have a great forward line. West Ham are very good defensively but we could and should have won that game 3/4 - 0. We do need to be shooting more often, but I think the wins will come and we will get stronger and stronger. We defiantly have a way that we want to play and that is the right way, but in the last 10/15 minutes we need to mix it up a bit. COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Wanyama has had two stinkers in a row. If we've got a squad and there is competition for places' date=' now is time for him to reminded of the performance levels required for the Premier League.[/quote'] He hasnt exactly had stinkers, he is great in a defensive sense which is why Morgan has been allowed a longer leash and is getting up and down, he does give the ball away a lot though. Our problem is scoring not conceeding and so I dont see how Cork is going to change that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Is it too late to bring Guly on for Wanyama now? ;-) Well at least Pochettino resisted the urge to bring Ramirez off the bench. It was far too wet & windy for Gaston to play today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 schneiderlin was our best player today (that overhead kick lol!) however lucky to escape a red for his tackle on diame. the rest were okay, and not as terrible as what most on this forum would have you believe. okay there might have been some below average performances from wanyama, jrod and lallana but they weren't terrible. much better than before, as I could see we were creating chances, just not able to get past motm jussi. osvaldo has to score his chance in the first half though! overall, it was a good performance but for the lack of goals which i believe we will soon find at the next game at anfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 The 2nd half was more like it, quicker out of the blocks and we started picking up pockets of space and caused them all sorts of problems. On another day that header misses the post and goes in, and on another day the goal bound shot doesn't get cleared off the line. The 1st half was utter dross though, would struggle to agree with anyone who thought otherwise! But WHU came to kill the game and potentially nick a scrap if they could, that was their game plan. They are utter, utter, utter dross, but what they do works. To be honest, it was a game of 2 mid-table nothing teams. Not pretty viewing what so ever on the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Once again a team came to St Mary's for a point and got it. Still early days but lack of goals is worrying. However on another day those chances go in and we win 4-0. Very frustrating start to the season. We look very solid bit just can't seem to find the net. We created more chances today which is encouraging, but we must put them away. Personally I would like to see Cork involved again, too many stray passes and slowing down of our attacks with Wanyama today. Can't see us getting anything at Liverpool next week, but if we can't beat Palace in two weeks time I will be extremely worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 People calling for Ramirez as our saviour to create goals. That is priceless. He might have been named on the bench today, but considering his 13,780mile round trip, 19minutes of football during the week and the precious mite's obvious fragility, my Grandma had more chance of getting a game today. Biggest waste of money in SFC history. Bologna must be laughing their tits off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 People calling for Ramirez as our saviour to create goals. That is priceless. He might have been named on the bench today, but considering his 13,780mile round trip, 19minutes of football during the week and the precious mite's obvious fragility, my Grandma had more chance of getting a game today. Biggest waste of money in SFC history. Bologna must be laughing their tits off And there you calling for puncheon as our saviour? He stank yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Well at least Pochettino resisted the urge to bring Ramirez off the bench. It was far too wet & windy for Gaston to play today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We arent ****, we are just too slow. Puncheon really isnt that goid, he popped up with a few goals but last year he gave the ball away a lot. Makes me laugh that he has now been elevated to godlike status and the answer to our prayers despite the fact we couldnt score last season either Not elevated to anything, the clappers simply dont like to state it was a mistake selling a viable option as this will dent the cult like following Cortese has built up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonko Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 People calling for Ramirez as our saviour to create goals. That is priceless. He might have been named on the bench today, but considering his 13,780mile round trip, 19minutes of football during the week and the precious mite's obvious fragility, my Grandma had more chance of getting a game today.Biggest waste of money in SFC history. Bologna must be laughing their tits off Are you Geoff Boycott IRL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Pretty poor performance, although it's a clean sheet and 1 point gained. Thought Clyne played well, good to see him back. Fonte and Lovern played well, dealt with whatever his name is well. Quite an easy day for them. Lallana and J-Rod were poor, too many loose touches, Lambert wasn't great but his touch, even in the pouring rain is sublime. Osvaldo was unlucky, should have scored and linked up well with others. Midfield was non existent first half, much better second. Don't think Ramirez would have done much if he came on, the game was perfect for Jack Cork. Who wasn't even in the squad. Onwards and upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Not elevated to anything, the clappers simply dont like to state it was a mistake selling a viable option as this will dent the cult like following Cortese has built up. Ramirez, J Rod, Isgrove, JWP, Osvaldo, Davis, Guly, Lallana, Lambert can all play in the top 3 positions. Punch is inconsistant and had as many poor games as good, plus he wanted to move to London due to his family. You need to try harder Dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Yup, we were scoring freeley in the last games of last season and he is a workd beater..... TBF he did score our last goal from open play (Sunderland away) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Keepers had a worldy and we missed some golden opportunities. At least we are creating some good chances (second half). Onto the next one! Northam quiet again today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Osvaldo looked lively, Lambert looked decent, the defence was pretty solid with exception of panic where collins almost scored. Terrible conditions, mediocre west ham team, 2 points dropped. Personally Wanyama was rather poor today and Saints were far too slow and cumbersome in possession. Can't believe Cork wasn't even on the bench as i would had him on today to get us moving the ball around.I'm with you on all this and would add a sneaking suspicion that Puncheon would have added something different. We had enough penetration and scoring opportunities and half were wasteful and the other half produced some exceptional saves from Jaaskelainen. There seemed to have been two clear handball penalty shouts and we hit the bar, so because we failed to score any, it looks a lot more worrying that we have had such a poor goals return from open play. It is a worry that Shaw goes off apparently carrying a knock every game, that Lallana also gets substituted when he's doing quite well and that Cork isn't deemed to be as good as Wanyama, or at least good enough to play some games to give Wanyama a kick up the pants to train to keep possession better. West Ham are one of the most cynical teams of dirty cheats in the division and considering how huge some of their players are, it really is amazing how little it takes to have them rolling around on the ground feigning a career threatening injury. Thankfully the ref wasn't always fooled by them, but they had at least a couple of brutal tackles on our players that appeared to be worthy of red cards. So a great result for Cynical Sam and his team of cheating, hoofing thugs, with three key players absent, but two points dropped by us with supposedly our strongest team available and increasingy a worry. For all those consoling themselves with the thought that we are a few points ahead of where we were this stage of last season, it is worth reflecting that we scored 4 goals against the likes of City and United last season, compared to the likes of Norwich, Sunderland, West Brom and West Ham and although we have a much tighter defensive record, we have gone totally off the boil at the other end, despite allegedly strengthening the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Was not able to watch the game as usual this week, so first read the write up on the bbc. Gave a pretty positive view on the game from a Saints perspective as we dominate and West Ham are saved by a standout keeper performance. Expected therefore to come on here and read some disappointed but upbeat views about the game. What is the matter with you f-uckers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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