kwsaint Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Made a point tonight that Saints had yet to score this season from open play. Factually correct as the two goals that we have scored came from a penalty and a free kick. But it came across as a real dig. I realise that he is a skate, and therefore likely to be bitter and twisted. Has anyone actually met him? Is there any substance in the forum view that South Today has a pro-Pompey bias as a consequence of his involvement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Same as spurs If we don't win on sat, may be a cause of concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Factually correct ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Same as spurs If we don't win on sat, may be a cause of concern Prepare to be concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Made a point tonight that Saints had yet to score this season from open play. Factually correct as the two goals that we have scored came from a penalty and a free kick. But it came across as a real dig. I realise that he is a skate, and therefore likely to be bitter and twisted. Has anyone actually met him? Is there any substance in the forum view that South Today has a pro-Pompey bias as a consequence of his involvement? How long does a ball need to be in open play before a goal, before said goal is considered to have been scored from open play. Fonte's goal v Sunderland a free kick. Oh, and we scored 4 from open play v Barnsley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Definitely not a Skate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 How long does a ball need to be in open play before a goal, before said goal is considered to have been scored from open play. Fonte's goal v Sunderland a free kick. Oh, and we scored 4 from open play v Barnsley Scored 6 from open play (6 scorers too) v Oldham away on that glorious night I witnessed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Made a point tonight that Saints had yet to score this season from open play. Factually correct as the two goals that we have scored came from a penalty and a free kick. Depends who you speak to, really. One or two on here seemed to think that Fonte's goal against Sunderland was actually from open play. Strange times. Edit: oops, more than one or two it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Same as spurs If we don't win on sat, may be a cause of concern I'm willing to bet you a whole £20 that we don't win on Saturday. Oh..... What the heck. make it £25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Unless he starts wearing replica kits and singing Play Up Pompey halfway through broadcasts this is of very little consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 I'm willing to bet you a whole £20 that we don't win on Saturday. Oh..... What the heck. make it £25. We will win Sunday. Fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 someone's getting confused about set pieces and open play. Sure, we haven't scored one this season to rival Brazil in Mexico 1970. Yet. But I believe that even Barcelona count goals they have scored after free-kicks, corners and throw-ins. In fact anything post-kickoff seems to be taken into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 I'm willing to bet you a whole £20 that we don't win on Saturday. Oh..... What the heck. make it £25. I'll raise that, and bet my bank account savings, an entire collection of my wife's porcelain penguins, and two much beaten parrots that Southampton's First XI won't win on Saturday. :-) The deal expires at midnight though, Sunday is a brand new day. :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Is he a skate though? I seem to remember he used to commentate on all our games last time in the Prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia Sllim Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Who cares? Sally Taylor she is a reading fan, who cares...we premier league ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Why are goals scored from open play considered to be worth more than those that aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Why are goals scored from open play considered to be worth more than those that aren't? This. A goal is a goal. Worth just the same whether scored from "open play" or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Why are goals scored from open play considered to be worth more than those that aren't? Who actually said that they are or aren't? And why is it such a defensive mechanism for fans when the definitions of "open play" and "dead ball" are put in front of them? English teams in general have been very adept at making use of set plays to score goals. To some it seems as if its shunned upon to acknowledge this. The simple of thinking can only associate direct play with the 80s long ball theory and that alone, ergo set piece goal = bad. Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpankBoy Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Who actually said that they are or aren't? And why is it such a defensive mechanism for fans when the definitions of "open play" and "dead ball" are put in front of them? English teams in general have been very adept at making use of set plays to score goals. To some it seems as if its shunned upon to acknowledge this. The weak of thinking can only associate direct play with the 80s long ball theory and that alone, ergo set piece goal = bad. Odd. Indeed. Why would managers drill teams and plan set pieces unless they were effective tools if used correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 It's arguably more difficult to score from a set piece than an open goal as the defence are in position and more focused than they might be in open play, ergo Mr Husband was paying us a compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 Tony's from Yelverton in Devon, and is a Plymouth Argyle fan. Because BBC South/Radio Solent are Southampton-based, they are reviled by anyone east of Fareham. To try and ingratiate themselves with the Phew and fulfil the BBC brief as a public service broadcaster they have to be positively neutral. In other words, while tacitly supporting the teams in their patch they have to be seen to be objective. None of the sports guys at BBC South/Solent are supporters of any of the teams in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 It's arguably more difficult to score from a set piece than an open goal as the defence are in position and more focused than they might be in open play, ergo Mr Husband was paying us a compliment. From skate media bias to a Saints infused love-in within the space of but 20 online posts. Mongboardery at its very finest. It bring a happy flutter to one's heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 From skate media bias to a Saints infused love-in within the space of but 20 online posts. Mongboardery at its very finest. It bring a happy flutter to one's heart. A mongboardery comment by the self aware few, this thread is now complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 September, 2013 Share Posted 13 September, 2013 A mongboardery comment by the self aware few, this thread is now complete. I'd attempt a comment at irony and a general lack of self reflection but, goodness me Fanta, you've got it covered already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 It's arguably more difficult to score from a set piece than an open goal as the defence are in position and more focused than they might be in open play, ergo Mr Husband was paying us a compliment. It's harder to score from anything than an open goal* but I'm not sure of the relevance. *unless you're Thierry Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 Yes I have met him and he is a plank and normally talks out of his rear end. This is the man who said on a BBC report that PFC were a well managed and financial sound club. Who cares he is just another Sally Taylor 'jolly hockey sticks team' on the dreadful news programme each night. At leat he is not quite as bad as the silly c*w who used to do the Football League show and now does sports on the BBC national news. You have nothing to worry about Fred (Dinenage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 Is he a Skate because he said something negative about us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 Erm.. Didn't we have a thread last year criticising our lack of goals from set pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 As the irresistible attacking force with the embarrassment of riches that we have, spearheaded by two international strikers from top nations and supported by a midfield which is better than champions Manchester United its somewhat strange that we are struggling for goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 Doesn't matter if you score from open play or not,you don't get extra points. I'd be happy to win games on penalties all season,it won't be pretty but 3 points is 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 Wasn't Roger Johnson always accused of being a skate cos he always wore blue shirts when he used to do the sport for South Today ? Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 I think people seem to think because Journalists work in the media in an area, they have to have allegiances to one or other team in that particular area (despite mostly coming from outside of said area). Adam Blackmore and Peter White quite often have Villa love-ins on Twitter, despite both reporting mostly on Saints. Roger Johnson was a Stoke City fan, and as has been mentioned Tony Husband is a Plymouth supporter. They are Journalists who follow the teams in the area and will report some good things and some bad (although saying something that is factually correct, which we would hope to improve on, isn't exactly a criticism in my book). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 This presenter comes across as perfectly even handed (if rather bland) reporter out of the approved BBC mold if I'm being honest about it. Why anyone should take a perfectly harmless comment re the manner of our goal scoring - a question that has been discussed on here by the way - and then twist that into (paper thin) evidence of bias is something of a mystery to this fan. Tis the season for paranoia it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 Made a point tonight that Saints had yet to score this season from open play. Factually correct as the two goals that we have scored came from a penalty and a free kick. But it came across as a real dig. I realise that he is a skate, and therefore likely to be bitter and twisted. Has anyone actually met him? Is there any substance in the forum view that South Today has a pro-Pompey bias as a consequence of his involvement? Stating the bleedin obvious does not mean he is a Skate Not scoring goals is not as important as not letting them in. So we are doing OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 We've had this debate before on other threads, but people - especially, but not exclusively, football fans - judge a journalist's ability on the positivity of the articles they produce about their club. Thus, a journo who writes or reports upbeat stories is seen as a 'good' reporter. One who writes negative stories is seen as 'bad'. Yer in reality, it is the other way around. The 'good' journo is often reproducing the positive line pedalled by the club. The 'bad' journo is the one who does his own digging, and finds the unpalatable facts that the club wants to keep under the carpet. By exposing them, he knows he risks the wrath of the club and the fans, but is doing what journos should do, giving the audience the truth. The fact the audience may not like these truths doesn't - or shouldn't, to rational, intelligent, fair-minded people - make him a bad him a bad journalist. In fact, he's a better journalist than the one who merely peddles the official line. Most football supporters don't want rigourous, inquisitorial journalism. They want affirmation. No group of people - and I'm not just talking about Saints fans - when confronted with something they don't like, indulges more in that childish device of sticking their fingers in their ears and singing; "La la la" at the top of their voice. How many people on this forum don't read the newspaper reports the day after Saints have lost for fear they might be told some harsh facts? But those same people will buy every Sunday paper and devour every word when Saints win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 September, 2013 Share Posted 14 September, 2013 Made a point tonight that Saints had yet to score this season from open play. Factually correct as the two goals that we have scored came from a penalty and a free kick. But it came across as a real dig. I realise that he is a skate, and therefore likely to be bitter and twisted. Has anyone actually met him? Is there any substance in the forum view that South Today has a pro-Pompey bias as a consequence of his involvement? Stating the bleedin obvious does not mean he is a Skate Not scoring goals is not as important as not letting them in. So we are doing OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 South today's football output is dire. Local radio and tv is an embarrassment, load of middle aged chumps . Im sure partridge was a reality show rather than a comedy. They need to get blokes talking about football who have half a clue, instead of idiots like husband. And dont get be started on Dave "what we dont want to do now is " Merrington. Taylor needs replacing with a decent milf as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 South today's football output is dire. Local radio and tv is an embarrassment, load of middle aged chumps . Im sure partridge was a reality show rather than a comedy. They need to get blokes talking about football who have half a clue, instead of idiots like husband. And dont get be started on Dave "what we dont want to do now is " Merrington. Taylor needs replacing with a decent milf as well. Who are they? Ian Wright, Alan Brazil and the motor mouth type on Trash Talk sport radio? Just because they are brash and shout louder doesn't mean they know more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 Made a point tonight that Saints had yet to score this season from open play. Factually correct as the two goals that we have scored came from a penalty and a free kick. But it came across as a real dig. I realise that he is a skate, and therefore likely to be bitter and twisted. Has anyone actually met him? Is there any substance in the forum view that South Today has a pro-Pompey bias as a consequence of his involvement? Are you not concerned that we don't seem to create or convert many chances? In 3 matches it has taken a penalty and poor defending in the dying minutes? That wont happen every week... We will at best get 10-15ish god a season from those means. Meanwhile the players don't seem to know where the target is!!! This needs to change, and soon, or we will find ourselves in trouble. Plus 1-0 wins are **** to watch :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2013 Share Posted 15 September, 2013 We've had this debate before on other threads, but people - especially, but not exclusively, football fans - judge a journalist's ability on the positivity of the articles they produce about their club. Thus, a journo who writes or reports upbeat stories is seen as a 'good' reporter. One who writes negative stories is seen as 'bad'. Yer in reality, it is the other way around. The 'good' journo is often reproducing the positive line pedalled by the club. The 'bad' journo is the one who does his own digging, and finds the unpalatable facts that the club wants to keep under the carpet. By exposing them, he knows he risks the wrath of the club and the fans, but is doing what journos should do, giving the audience the truth. The fact the audience may not like these truths doesn't - or shouldn't, to rational, intelligent, fair-minded people - make him a bad him a bad journalist. In fact, he's a better journalist than the one who merely peddles the official line. Most football supporters don't want rigourous, inquisitorial journalism. They want affirmation. No group of people - and I'm not just talking about Saints fans - when confronted with something they don't like, indulges more in that childish device of sticking their fingers in their ears and singing; "La la la" at the top of their voice. How many people on this forum don't read the newspaper reports the day after Saints have lost for fear they might be told some harsh facts? But those same people will buy every Sunday paper and devour every word when Saints win. Very true. Look at this forum as evidence of this. Any positive article is created with triumph, back slapping and lorded as a great read and top journalism. Anything negative, however true, is dismissed as lies by lazy journalists in a crap paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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