SRL "Haters"

[Bucks Saint]

Yeah spot on. He was flukey in the extreme to outscore every other english player in the Prem last year. Tons of taps in, deflections and penalties. Never because he is a great player, in a team that is not full of multi million internationals and finished in the bottom half.

 

Good grief

[S-Clarke]

Here are a few quote from my favourite Lambert denier..

 

"In international football you need to be slightly more creative than having a big striker to pump the ball up to"

 

"Lambert doesn't have the pace or ability to create and score goals for himself which in top games strikers sometimes need to do"

 

"Bearing in mind that over 150+ goals of Lambert's 196 career goals have been scored at the 3rd and 4th tier of English football, I don't think that makes him quality"

 

"if he was as good as you lot seem to think, he would have played for better clubs than Macclesfield, Stockport, Rochdale etc"

 

Dear me, comments made by someone who has never, ever, watched him play. He's just bracketed him in the Grant Holt mould.

[The9]

Here are a few quote from my favourite Lambert denier..

 

"In international football you need to be slightly more creative than having a big striker to pump the ball up to"

 

"Lambert doesn't have the pace or ability to create and score goals for himself which in top games strikers sometimes need to do"

 

"Bearing in mind that over 150+ goals of Lambert's 196 career goals have been scored at the 3rd and 4th tier of English football, I don't think that makes him quality"

 

"if he was as good as you lot seem to think, he would have played for better clubs than Macclesfield, Stockport, Rochdale etc"

 

Dear me, comments made by someone who has never, ever, watched him play. He's just bracketed him in the Grant Holt mould.

 

I can't really see what's wrong with most of #2, the main weakness to his game is not being able to go past players and create goals for himself - he's able to shift the ball if he's already in the box or shooting range, but he's never going to run past someone 40 yards from goal and finish it. But he also has other strengths which purely fast players who can do that particular thing don't have.

 

All of the others are tangibly utter cobblers. 1) He provides that creativity, 3) is down to him consciously making a commitment to improve around the time he signed for Saints and he's even said he hadn't been serious enough previously - plus his selection is down to his current status, not that from the previous 10 years. 4) Same as 3. He WASN'T that good until the latter part of the previous decade, now he is.

 

Oh, and Grant Holt is more mobile, more agile, and faster than Lambert - I've also seen him run past defenders with the ball in the Prem. He's also a year older and not as creative, and most importantly in 2013, no longer playing in the Premier League. My point being, using the phrase "The Grant Holt mould" for those characteristics is just as inaccurate to Grant Holt as these criticisms are to Lambert.

Edited 10 September, 2013 by The9

[Minty]

The9 is right - Lambert is not known for creating something out of nothing for himself by bursting past a man or using a trick - but then neither were Gary Lineker or Alan Shearer or many other International strikers down the years...

[Barry the Badger]

Yeah, I can certainly see your point. I guess that quote seemed worse in the context of the conversation that we were having. I would argue though that very, very few goals are created by a player alone, he's basically talking about wonder goals.

[Minty]

Yeah, I can certainly see your point. I guess that quote seemed worse in the context of the conversation that we were having. I would argue though that very, very few goals are created by a player alone, he's basically talking about wonder goals.

 

Agreed - it seems your Lambert denier is simply looking for as many reasons as possible to criticise, rather than fairly assessing his game. The players who can create and score from nothing are few and far between.

[Wes Tender]

Agreed - it seems your Lambert denier is simply looking for as many reasons as possible to criticise, rather than fairly assessing his game. The players who can create and score from nothing are few and far between.

 

I agree. Here's one though.

[derry]

Probably the best striker of a football in the England squad he has what most of the others don't have, football wise he is really smart with terrific vision. Leave out his goals, his passing was excellent but the two passes for Welbeck's goals were sublime, otherwise known as world class. Ricky Lambert has fitted in and brings the best out of the players around him. The first five yards is in his head, he isn't quick but like his goal against Moldova he was there already, all the others were just watching while he was moving. The main reason we are where we are.

Edited 10 September, 2013 by derry

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I have a horrible feeling that if England lose tonight, or even if Rickie's 3rd game is less impressive than his first two (and let's face it he does have the odd 'off' day every now and then) then there are plenty in the football press just itching to write him off in the papers tomorrow morning.

 

The only way to silence this type is for SRL to keep playing well of course, but as many a striker has discovered before him, this is no easy task at the International level.

[Cricketphilly]

The age of Lambert doesn't hold water. Teddy Sheringham got his first cap at 27 and played his last Engalnd game at 36. I don't recall him being blessed with pace either.

[oldsarum]

Although he didn't have a great game arguable our two best opportinities came from a Rickie through ball to Walcott early in the game and his flick on which Lampard should have buried in the last minute

[obelisk]

It seemed to me that Rickie was one of the few players that looked comfortable with the ball while also managing to pass it to a red shirt occasionally.

 

Admittedly the Ukrainians were also pretty adept at finding red shirts too.

[Barry the Badger]

I've seen him play a lot better, in a way the game did sort of highlight his limitations, but he was still one of the more consistent players in a red shirt.

[Barry the Badger]

I've seen him play a lot better, in a way the game did sort of highlight his limitations, but he was still one of the more consistent players in a red shirt.

[The9]

The age of Lambert doesn't hold water. Teddy Sheringham got his first cap at 27 and played his last Engalnd game at 36. I don't recall him being blessed with pace either.

 

International football tactics no longer allow teams to use two strikers, and with no-one else to do the running in behind, Sheringham wouldn't have had a chance as a lone striker nowadays either.

[Cricketphilly]

International football tactics no longer allow teams to use two strikers, and with no-one else to do the running in behind, Sheringham wouldn't have had a chance as a lone striker nowadays either.

 

Point taken, but no reason why a Lambert or a Sheringham cannot work with a Rooney or a Welbeck running off them