SRL "Haters"

[Saints boy in Leeds]

So most of my closest mates are glory boys supporting the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea.

All of them were giving me major grief when SRL got his call up for his 1st cap. The main comments were, he's too old, he's got no pace, he's not good enough.

Even after his last performance on I got, he played against The jocks and Moldova, hardly brazil mate, got me angry as I say SRL is as good as any of the England players in the squad.

 

Just wondered if any others have had this ?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Most of my mates are pleased for him and think it is cool.

 

You'll find many plastic supporters of 'big' teams don't care much for the national team anyway so I wouldn't be bothered about what they say. You could always ask them that if they were going to choose their club team based on how good they are perhaps they should do the same with what national team they follow if they don't like the players Hodgson selects. That usually stumps them a little.

[a1ex2001]

almost everyone I've spoken to has been full of praise for him, it does really concern me that England will go into a vital qualifier with only Lambert and Defoe in the squadas strikers it certainly says alot about the lack of strength in depth available at the moment.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Just banter I think - I think most people recognise SRL's ability and like his story

[Minty]

Lets put it this way - all of my mates whose footballing opinion I actually respect, think he played really well. The negative comments seem to have come from those with blinkered views.

[Deano6]

To be fair, and this isn't a comment of SRL who has been excellent, but we get the same blinkered views from our lot, particularly on here, about a lot of the other England players who aren't playing for Saints.

[Bearsy]

My villa mates up here are all giving it the lols, home games against Scotland + Moldova? He won't get a kick away at Ukraines!

 

We Shall See, Villa mates, We Shall See!

[Prince Jazzbo]

Most non saints fans I've spoken to including a skate seem genuinely happy to seen someone that has grafted over the years to get where he has got to, and also takes absolute pride in wearing an england shirt.

[VectisSaint]

The age thing I really don't get. OK he will probably be too old after the World Cup (although Sheringham played at top level at older age) but he will be spot on age wise when the tournament takes place. All this tosh about building for the future is rubbish, England should aim to take the best players to each tournament, the squad is plenty big enough to take a few youngsters as well for the experience. People seem to forget that Rickie is 2 years younger than little Stevie Gerrard and 4 years younger than the boy Lampard. Will Lampard be shoved out before Brazil next summer when he will be 36? Not likely. Gerrard will be 34 next summer, Rickie will be 32 and a bit. I also don't really agree about the pace thing, OK so he is not super quick, but he is no slouch either. His footballing brain makes up for any shortcomings in this area, its only thick idiots on the TV who still see him as just a target man, he showed on Friday with the 2 assists that as we all know there is a lot more to his game than being just a target man, ironically both his goals so far have been headers, and I don't ever think of him as being particularly outstanding in that department. He should also push Lampard out of the way and take on the free kick duties.

 

Don't know many who really are not pleased for Lambert and who "hate" him, just a few pathetic TV pundits who have no idea what they are talking about, even Townsend who I loathe was singing his praises on Friday night. Still it was nice to hear that SRL used to work in a beetroot factory, something I had not heard before.

[ottery st mary]

You just know that SRL will stick a couple in against the Ukraine:)

 

Roy of The Rovers all over again:D

 

Play to his feet and bring others in around him and we will win.

 

He is special and he is a Saint..

 

Mr Lambert another step towards the knighthood.

[Wes Tender]

So most of my closest mates are glory boys supporting the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea.

All of them were giving me major grief when SRL got his call up for his 1st cap. The main comments were, he's too old, he's got no pace, he's not good enough.

Even after his last performance on I got, he played against The jocks and Moldova, hardly brazil mate, got me angry as I say SRL is as good as any of the England players in the squad.

 

Just wondered if any others have had this ?

 

As your mates are glory hunters, then their opinions aren't worth consideration anyway. If they support those three teams you mentioned, then the irony obviously escaped them when Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard are all older than him, also lacking pace and players like Cleverley are crap. Apart from Rooney, is there an English striker better than Lambert available from the glory teams? And although he is so old, crap and lacking pace, nevertheless he has managed to score goals against the Premiership Glory teams. I'm not sure about Liverpool, but certainly Chelsea, Man Utd and City.

[Wes Tender]

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[alpine_saint]

Lets put it this way - all of my mates whose footballing opinion I actually respect, think he played really well. The negative comments seem to have come from those with blinkered views.

 

Sorry, this made me laugh. Nothing to do with you per se.

 

Supporter from team other than Saints says Rickie aint good enough - "Hardly Brazil, mate" - has blinkered views.

 

Supporter from Saints says Billy Sharp aint good enough - telling it how it really is.

 

 

Rickie continues to surprise me and he should be allowed to play this out as far as it goes, so there are no "what ifs" at the end of the day.

 

Its a pity we didnt allow the same with one of our own players..

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Sorry, this made me laugh. Nothing to do with you per se.

 

Supporter from team other than Saints says Rickie aint good enough - "Hardly Brazil, mate" - has blinkered views.

 

Supporter from Saints says Billy Sharp aint good enough - telling it how it really is.

 

 

Rickie continues to surprise me and he should be allowed to play this out as far as it goes, so there are no "what ifs" at the end of the day.

 

Its a pity we didnt allow the same with one of our own players..

 

You are actually obsessed.

[The9]

So most of my closest mates are glory boys supporting the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea.

All of them were giving me major grief when SRL got his call up for his 1st cap. The main comments were, he's too old, he's got no pace, he's not good enough.

Even after his last performance on I got, he played against The jocks and Moldova, hardly brazil mate, got me angry as I say SRL is as good as any of the England players in the squad.

 

Just wondered if any others have had this ?

 

The only people I've seen saying this kind of stuff are very, very, bitter Skates. He's (once again) taken his opportunity and stepped up to a level many people wouldn't have expected him to perform at. It's a great feeling seeing his efforts rewarded, and it doesn't hurt that he comes across as a normal bloke who happens to be a footballer trying his best for his country, as opposed to an entitled Prem egomaniac who only sees midweek internationals as an obstacle to making money.

[alpine_saint]

You are actually obsessed.

 

Annoyed, perhaps.

 

Sorry for the spill-over from the other thread. I just found Minty's comment ironic, and wanted to explain why.

[angelman]

My boy has gone right of RL because of his tatts and now prefers JWP.

 

But to the point in hand.....I find the reactions very interesting. I haven't got glory hunting friends who say he is too old etc. but more to do with fans of other clubs (ignoring those biased SFC and Brtisol City ones )

 

Plastic fans - well these are the ones who to be fair, don't really have football in their blood and are happy supporting any old team. They of course want to have the big names, regardless of whether they are any good. So that means anyone who doesn't play Top 6 isn't worthy of a spot in the team, regardless of whether they are actually good enough. The usual arguments of "they've never played CL" get brought out, which while it might be beneficial to play CL, is not the be all and end all. They are also the same who don't really care whether their club side has any English players in or not.

 

Proper fans (for want of a better expression) - there are many from Manchester, Liverpool, London, etc etc who are more than happy to have RL in the squad. I have a feeling that the club vs country debate isn't always as cut and dried as all that. Maybe the desire to follow the country is there, but the players and their attitude to the national side has turned people away and back to their clubs. Certainly many at Saints have only become enthusiastic because we have one of our players there, but I do think it is more than that. The almost childish delight that RL got from scoring against the Jocks brought an honesty back to football that has long been lost under the piles of £ that have been foisted on to players, and it really appealed to supporters. The low point was the players' demeanour in South Africa and that really alienated a lot of people. We all know that he is not the future, but the pride is obvious, and most true supporters prefer one player who plays with pride than 11 that go through the motions.

[Saint Billy]

Someone said to me that it is a sad state of affairs when Ricky Lambert is England's best striker option.

 

I was fekin furious and asked him if he had watched the England games he played in or any saints games and he stated not much, which just goes to prove that these sort of comments come from plastic idiots.

[Golden Balls]

Seems like your mates are trying to wind you up and it's worked.

 

Almost everyone is pleased for him and like that he is proud to wear the shirt.

[Rasiak-9-]

http://www.givemesport.com/377607-england-is-it-time-to-start-taking-rickie-lambert-seriously

 

Article of mine that I recently wrote for GiveMeSport on this very issue, check it out if you get the chance!

[dubai_phil]

Every one of my non Saints mates are Made Up for Rickie and pumped that he has actually delivered.

 

Had 6 txts when he scored against the Jocks and 8 when he did it against Moldova.

 

One, a Citeh fan has him in his Fantasy League team (along with Jose)

 

Leading against Ukraine? their response, somebody has to do it. He might fail he might succeed, but why all the fuss about it NOW, haven't people got something else to be getting on with until tomorrow night? like Breathing?

 

Come across somebody negative? Then ask them WTF do THEY propose? The farking game is TOMORROW

[Minty]

Sorry, this made me laugh. Nothing to do with you per se.

 

Supporter from team other than Saints says Rickie aint good enough - "Hardly Brazil, mate" - has blinkered views.

 

Supporter from Saints says Billy Sharp aint good enough - telling it how it really is.

 

 

Rickie continues to surprise me and he should be allowed to play this out as far as it goes, so there are no "what ifs" at the end of the day.

 

Its a pity we didnt allow the same with one of our own players..

I realised as I was typing it that it might draw that kind of reaction - but then I am talking about my specific friends, people I know, peoples whose opinion I have been privy to on many different subjects and so have a wide frame of reference, not just randoms commenting on SRL.

 

And NO fan can really comment on the Billy Sharp situation, as NO ONE other than staff knows what goes on at the club or training. What we're talking about here is judging a players current on-the-field performances for an international team. Rather different.

 

I know my friends and those whose opinion I value, and whom I've had many disagreements with in the past, but who always quantify and qualify their views, have ALL said, without exception, that they think Rickie has played well and deserves his place. I have friends who make blunt, unqualified statements with little or no reasoning, and I don't listen to them. Much the same as I treat people on here really.

[Window Cleaner]

If only he could score every game for us as well, there I'd have no problem whatsoever. Lambert has had a couple of disappointing games for Saints of late. He's also had a couple of great games for England. Perhaps it's just Saints that aren't good enough for Lambert eh. Then again if you stick Sunderland's defence across the back for Moldova perhaps scoring and assisting wouldn't be so easy.

[Saint86]

Just checked out the west ham forum (checking out what their likely starting 11 will be on sunday - some have got down RVT as starting in lambert's position, but that is an aside).

 

They also have a nice section on England Ukraine - I don't think there is one bad comment about lambert there, 2 people are discussing how, for england, Lambert > Rooney, and only one guy thinks carrol should be in the england squad by default.

 

http://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=149323&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=40

[oldsarum]

I just love the way the National press has suddenly discoverd that there is more to Rickie's game than just goalscoring

 

Loads of articles at weekend praising his all round play, which has been apparent to anyone watching him for years. What have these guys been watching for the past 2-3 years

 

Shows how little the press appear to know about players any outside the top six clubs.

[Super_Saint]

I posted this up before the Moldova game, it's a poster I came across on a forum whilst seeking neutral opinions on Lambert's call up. Have a read of his posts, apparently a Stoke fan. I'm not sure whether I should be frustrated, or humoured by his comments. Luckily, most fans are having had a go at him, including another Saints fan. http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/listByUser/1263213.page

 

Some examples. "Keepers been pretty solid since he conceded that 4th goal. We also look more threatening in attack now that Lambert is off."

 

"Welbeck and Lambert off at half time imo."

 

But best of all (Scotland game). "His movement was shocking. Thank the England midfield for feeding him delicious through balls for him to squander. He was being marked out of the game by Championship standard defenders and was barely moving to get himself into a decent position. I won't argue against his club form because this debate is about Lamberts poor game against Scotland and whether he deserved this call up. His club form is therefore irrelevant in this argument."

 

And in relation to the Ukraine game.

 

"Anyone heard reports of Lambert starting? I hope not tbh. He was poor against Scotland and was ok against Moldova were unusually lacklustre in defense, but he's gonna be found out against Ukraine with their solid defense. If Lambert has to play, then I think an impact substitution in, say the 70th minuite is the way to go. If there is one thing Lambert is, is determined. He is always determined to beat his man and he has very high levels if concentration. He will be more effective when there defense tire because face it, if he starts against Ukraine, he's gonna be shown up like a bin man against the Harlem Globetrotters and that won't do any good for his confidence."

[View From The Top]

Up here all the footy fans I know are chuffed for him.

[Pugwash]

My boy has gone right of RL because of his tatts and now prefers JWP.

 

But to the point in hand.....I find the reactions very interesting. I haven't got glory hunting friends who say he is too old etc. but more to do with fans of other clubs (ignoring those biased SFC and Brtisol City ones )

 

Plastic fans - well these are the ones who to be fair, don't really have football in their blood and are happy supporting any old team. They of course want to have the big names, regardless of whether they are any good. So that means anyone who doesn't play Top 6 isn't worthy of a spot in the team, regardless of whether they are actually good enough. The usual arguments of "they've never played CL" get brought out, which while it might be beneficial to play CL, is not the be all and end all. They are also the same who don't really care whether their club side has any English players in or not.

 

Proper fans (for want of a better expression) - there are many from Manchester, Liverpool, London, etc etc who are more than happy to have RL in the squad. I have a feeling that the club vs country debate isn't always as cut and dried as all that. Maybe the desire to follow the country is there, but the players and their attitude to the national side has turned people away and back to their clubs. Certainly many at Saints have only become enthusiastic because we have one of our players there, but I do think it is more than that. The almost childish delight that RL got from scoring against the Jocks brought an honesty back to football that has long been lost under the piles of £ that have been foisted on to players, and it really appealed to supporters. The low point was the players' demeanour in South Africa and that really alienated a lot of people. We all know that he is not the future, but the pride is obvious, and most true supporters prefer one player who plays with pride than 11 that go through the motions.

 

Agree. Good Post.

[Chicken With A Banjo]

I would prefer to be a know nothing plastic fan who only takes a fleeting interest in the tedious world of football than one of you ****s.

[Bearsy]

Agree. Good Post.

[Wes Tender]

I just love the way the National press has suddenly discoverd that there is more to Rickie's game than just goalscoring

 

Loads of articles at weekend praising his all round play, which has been apparent to anyone watching him for years. What have these guys been watching for the past 2-3 years

 

Shows how little the press appear to know about players any outside the top six clubs.

 

You're quite right. Understandable that the majority of their readers are plastic fans who want to read about the glory teams and big name players, but sports journalists are supposed to be professionals, employed because they have some expertise and can back up their opinions with encyclopaedic knowledge gained through knowing the game inside out. So it really is incredible that SRL can be the Premier Division's top scoring Englishman and these journos somehow failed to recognise the facets of his play that had made him successful. It really is a sad indictment of their ability.

[lutz]

Funny this as I went out with the lads up here in Worcestershire on Saturday night and they were all (villa fans) giving our Rickie an hard time eg Too old,too slow and will get shown up against better opposition.They see the saints as small time charlies but I have to say I stood my ground and gave as good as I got!!

 

C'mon Rickie!!

[Baldbarbarian]

So most of my closest mates are glory boys supporting the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea.

All of them were giving me major grief when SRL got his call up for his 1st cap. The main comments were, he's too old, he's got no pace, he's not good enough.

Even after his last performance on I got, he played against The jocks and Moldova, hardly brazil mate, got me angry as I say SRL is as good as any of the England players in the squad.

 

Just wondered if any others have had this ?

 

Yep plenty of these naysayers mate. Can only score against what is in front of him. I think a goal or two tomorrow night would shut a lot of people up!

[Giordano]

I got a few funny (fake yokel accent) comments about rickie before and on way back from wembley. Maybe cos my kids and I were in red Saints shirts lol. I got same or higher number of peeps coming up to me saying how happy i must be and how chuffed they were for him. And he did get a standing ovation from a lot of the 64,000(i think) crowd when we went off.

 

I think the story has transcended the player. Everyone is sick of professional footballers on obscene wages acting like they are actually somebody important doing something important. His modesty and unassuming manner is the antidote. If England win and he scores and/or plays well again the story will get even bigger. It will be more than just the World Cup. He could be a new symbol for kids today thinking about maybe becoming a footballer. The marketing people will do a "Beckham" on him and in five or six years you'll be wearing his after shave.

 

Lets face it, england are desperate for a hero. He is perfect for the role. Just please don't get injured rickie!

Edited 9 September, 2013 by Giordano

[Prince Jazzbo]

Geoff Hurst was originally down the pecking order in 66, with Jimmy Greaves and Colin Hunt both injured. Look what happened there.

[Window Cleaner]

Geoff Hurst was originally down the pecking order in 66, with Jimmy Greaves and Colin Hunt both injured. Look what happened there.

 

Roger Hunt

[Charlie Wayman]

So most of my closest mates are glory boys supporting the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea.

All of them were giving me major grief when SRL got his call up for his 1st cap. The main comments were, he's too old, he's got no pace, he's not good enough.

Even after his last performance on I got, he played against The jocks and Moldova, hardly brazil mate, got me angry as I say SRL is as good as any of the England players in the squad.

 

Just wondered if any others have had this ?

 

Idiots are always best ignored, like fractious small children.

 

We've got Ricky Lambert they haven't and he doesn't bite other players.

[the colonel]

Lets put it this way - all of my mates whose footballing opinion I actually respect, think he played really well. The negative comments seem to have come from those with blinkered views.

 

 

ditto this. it's the same ones who only thought MLT was a slow fat slob

[Trader]

Roger Hunt

 

Nah, it was this bloke

 

[Prince Jazzbo]

Roger Hunt

 

Thats the one

[corky morris]

The sad thing is they totally ignored the passes for both of Welbecks goals. I dont think Carrick can pass that well & he sits in the middle of Man Utd's midfield. The coaches at Stoke thought he would be found out because of his lack of pace. If im honest I had some sympathy with that, but his performances have been excellent & I hope it continues.

What is interesting however is that a number of Northern fans that are clients of mine really rate Jay Rod.

[Bwanamakubwa]

Almost all I have spoken to have been shocked by how good he actually was, but more so that he just absolutely loved playing (and scoring) for England. My concern is that with him being the latest golden boy and the UK loving to build people up to knock them down.

[The Cat]

I find a lot of people who profess to like football to be quite clueless about the game. This view is backed up by the sort of goons that ring up 5Live and Talksport after games (and by some of the posts on football forums)

 

A lot of people will be of the default position that because Lambert is tall and lacks pace that he's only good in the air. Unless they are watching a lot of live games people will base their views on MOTD highlights and media reports. I heard a bloke on 5Live on the way back from Wembley on Friday saying it was ridiculous that England weren't getting any crosses into the box because Lambert is only any good with his head. He clearly missed all his good hold up play, clever lay offs, reverse passes and 2 assists.

 

Basically just ignore the uneducated. They generally don't have a clue.

[Saints boy in Leeds]

Seems like your mates are trying to wind you up and it's worked.

 

Almost everyone is pleased for him and like that he is proud to wear the shirt.

 

Don't think they're trying to wind me up mate as they say Shaw is one of the best talents they've seen in years and JWP looks good, I genuinely think they don't rate SRL but I guess they don't watch him week in week out or look out for our highlights come the weekend.

 

Believe you me they know how to wind me up but not in this case.

[orchardsaint]

Just banter I think - I think most people recognise SRL's ability and like his story

 

agree

[orchardsaint]

[QUOTE=Minty;1779972]Lets put it this way - all of my mates whose footballing opinion I actually respect, think he played really well. The negative comments seem to have come from those with blinkered views.

 

stick to what you know, real knowledge will applaud good football/footballers no matter what! even if that means against your team, or, whisper quietly, by those down the road. if your mates/colleagues/whatevers say something you disagree with, don't ever talk to them again, or better still, get them to post on here and have a full blown pointless argument with some of the brilliantly bizarre forum members.

[scotty]

A mate in liverpool, lifelong anfield regular, phoned me after the jock game absolutely buzzing. Couldnt heap enough praise on Rickie, and said if SRL doesn't start the next game it would be such a travesty that he would be rooting for moldova.

[Graffito]

The sad thing is they totally ignored the passes for both of Welbecks goals. I dont think Carrick can pass that well & he sits in the middle of Man Utd's midfield. The coaches at Stoke thought he would be found out because of his lack of pace. If im honest I had some sympathy with that, but his performances have been excellent & I hope it continues.

What is interesting however is that a number of Northern fans that are clients of mine really rate Jay Rod.

 

What do the coaches at Stoke make of Peter Crouch?

[david in sweden]

So most of my closest mates are glory boys supporting the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea.

All of them were giving me major grief when SRL got his call up for his 1st cap. The main comments were, he's too old, he's got no pace, he's not good enough.

Even after his last performance on I got, he played against The jocks and Moldova, hardly brazil mate, got me angry as I say SRL is as good as any of the England players in the squad.

 

Just wondered if any others have had this ?

 

 

More than that.....how about those people on this site who were suggesting that Lambert was too old for the Prem. and should be sold in the transfer window? .

 

Yes there were more than a few who need to stand up and be counted.

 

As for those "newspaper stories " that RL would go to Wham .or Reading ..for only £8 million... they may have come to nothing, but I bet those managers now wish they had the courage to make a bid for Rickie - when they might have had a chance.

[Barry the Badger]

Here are a few quote from my favourite Lambert denier..

 

"In international football you need to be slightly more creative than having a big striker to pump the ball up to"

 

"Lambert doesn't have the pace or ability to create and score goals for himself which in top games strikers sometimes need to do"

 

"Bearing in mind that over 150+ goals of Lambert's 196 career goals have been scored at the 3rd and 4th tier of English football, I don't think that makes him quality"

 

"if he was as good as you lot seem to think, he would have played for better clubs than Macclesfield, Stockport, Rochdale etc"