trousers Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23978247 The leader of the TUC has warned that unions may come together to strike on a range of issues affecting members. Frances O'Grady, the TUC's general secretary, raised the prospect of co-ordinated strike action in the coming months ahead of the annual TUC Congress that starts this weekend. She said she had had meetings with several unions involved in disputes. Postal workers, firefighters and teachers are among those who have announced plans for industrial action. Just what the country needs as it edges away from the world wide recession in relatively good shape... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Not the unions again. Scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 When will these people accept it is not the 1970s anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Yeah, that'll help won't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 they have to justify their existance. If they have genuine grievances then fine. Sadly too many of these people live a life of envy and distorted politics, unrest makes them famous. Anybody around in the seventies remeber the names of the union leaders of the day, I cant recall many in the last 20years or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Bravo unions, bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Lucky you lot then. When will the dinosaurs wake up to the fact that they would be much better off campaigning on things related to Work & Business that people could get behind? Like Corporation Tax bills for Multi-Nationals and the greed of the Exec class & the like. Get all their members to Boycott Starbucks, Google & Amazon, Barclays & Lloyds... Oh sorry stupid me, that would inconvenience themselves & their members of course. Ho hum back to the 70's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 My missus is a Teacher, she got a 1% pay rise this year (on top of her regular pay rise due to going up a experience level). Last time they had strikes (December 2011 I think) she went Christmas shopping in Winchester and bumped into loads of other teachers doing the same thing. BTW - being a Teacher is a seriously hard job, hugely pressurised and hard work often goes unappreciated.... No need to strike though IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 They have been back at work for over 2 days now so... btw 9 posts about a union and still no Baz. This is the internet equivalent of 19 bottles of milk outside someone's door. Is he still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23978247 Just what the country needs as it edges away from the world wide recession in relatively good shape... It does indeed. Without unions, pay and conditions would crash. With them, we can continue to live in a high-wage high-tech economy - and live in a place where workers' rights are not left undefended, regardless of the antediluvian views of the myopic, southern-softie, petit-bourgeois wannabe (neverwllbe) magnates of SWF! Well done comrade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 If they don't like the pay and conditions they can get a new job - that's how it works in today's world for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 If they don't like the pay and conditions they can get a new job - that's how it works in today's world for everyone else. Good work, that should smoke him out of hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 I think the workforce should put up with whatever is dished out on them, they are scum, vermin, low life cretins. I think the general population should put up with whatever is dished out to them too...they are ilucky enough to be in work and don't question anything and are therefore not scum, vermin, low life cretins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 It does indeed. Without unions, pay and conditions would crash. With them, we can continue to live in a high-wage high-tech economy - and live in a place where workers' rights are not left undefended, regardless of the antediluvian views of the myopic, southern-softie, petit-bourgeois wannabe (neverwllbe) magnates of SWF! Well done comrade!when people understand that society does not owe them a living we may get somewhere. There are billions of Chinese, Indians, and others around the world that want to eat our kids next meal. Unless we stay competitive in the wages and conditions we will be at the mercy of our competitors. I dont want to see child labour and the working man being treated poorly, but we all have to be realistic and the strife that strikes cause will end in tears. The public sector also need to understand that the government have a budget and unless they stick to it or things will never get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 I was hugely better off in the 70's in real terms than I am now, as was most of the population. I was a union member, I am therefore scum apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 when people understand that society does not owe them a living we may get somewhere. There are billions of Chinese, Indians, and others around the world that want to eat our kids next meal. Unless we stay competitive in the wages and conditions we will be at the mercy of our competitors. I dont want to see child labour and the working man being treated poorly, but we all have to be realistic and the strife that strikes cause will end in tears. The public sector also need to understand that the government have a budget and unless they stick to it or things will never get better. I would agree with you word for word Nick.... Except there is still ONE piece of the jigsaw that must be put in place. Jail for fat cat incompetent rip off morons who masquarade as being "Good Management". How the hell the morons that created the Banking Disaster/CDS/Derivatives and all that are STILL not in Jail for fraud, have kept their obscene pay-offs while forcing everyone else on the planet through an Economic misery hacks me off. So many examples of Moronic Management driving their companies into the ground than of real harm caused by the Dinosaurs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 (edited) I would agree with you word for word Nick.... Except there is still ONE piece of the jigsaw that must be put in place. Jail for fat cat incompetent rip off morons who masquarade as being "Good Management". How the hell the morons that created the Banking Disaster/CDS/Derivatives and all that are STILL not in Jail for fraud, have kept their obscene pay-offs while forcing everyone else on the planet through an Economic misery hacks me off. So many examples of Moronic Management driving their companies into the ground than of real harm caused by the Dinosaurs.. Phil,I think any fair minded person would agree. The bankers have personally cost me hundreds of thousands of £'s. Both ends of the political spectrum are to blame, as always the people in the middle of the 2 get hurt most. Edited 6 September, 2013 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 September, 2013 Author Share Posted 6 September, 2013 There are billions of Chinese, Indians, and others around the world that want to eat our kids. Yep, I've heard that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 (edited) The rich are getting richer and the vast majority of the population - the middle and poor are getting less of the share of wealth, particularly in the US. Thats true whether its a recession or boom. http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/09/gdp-per-capita.html http://www.livingstandards.org/ratio-of-median-pay-and-gdp-per-capita-2/ Edited 6 September, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 I don't really think what the 'country needs' is a good argument as its irrelevant to any problems teachers are having. What does matter is the validity of the reason to strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 its quite funny, many nurses at my Missus place are part of the GMB and they cant wait to strike yet they earned (some of them) £75 per hour on bank holiday monday for a 12 hour shift (11.5 paid) all a bit twisted if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 a bit strange with the timing as well. Normally the strikes coincide with hot weather spells so they can spend the day at the beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 bloody unions fancy expecting working people to expect pay rises and decent conditions they should know there place,the way ahead is make the super rich richer and all the productive people like bankers.derivative traders and big business the backbone of the uk not pay any tax at all , its called trickle down economics .those working people are lucky to have a job maybe we can go back to the days when you bid for a job and do away with the minimum wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 bloody unions fancy expecting working people to expect pay rises and decent conditions they should know there place,the way ahead is make the super rich richer and all the productive people like bankers.derivative traders and big business the backbone of the uk not pay any tax at all , its called trickle down economics .those working people are lucky to have a job maybe we can go back to the days when you bid for a job and do away with the minimum wage many of those already have this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 The rich are getting richer and the vast majority of the population - the middle and poor are getting less of the share of wealth, particularly in the US. Thats true whether its a recession or boom. http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/09/gdp-per-capita.html http://www.livingstandards.org/ratio-of-median-pay-and-gdp-per-capita-2/no surprise is it but thats what people seem to want nowdays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 no surprise is it but thats what people seem to want nowdays Its what they're told to want otherwise the Chinese and Indians will take their jobs. Its the 21st century version of the Bogey man or Grendel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 bloody unions fancy expecting working people to expect pay rises and decent conditions they should know there place,the way ahead is make the super rich richer and all the productive people like bankers.derivative traders and big business the backbone of the uk not pay any tax at all , its called trickle down economics .those working people are lucky to have a job maybe we can go back to the days when you bid for a job and do away with the minimum wage I dont think many people think that, well i dont. What we have to do is be sensible, there is only so much money to go around. The more the Government pays out the more it has to draw in,add to that the threat of inflation and so it could mean higher interest rates. Then we are worse off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 What they should do is when there is strike they should let just anyone turn up and do the job for a day. I reckon I would be good teacher! I would love to try it for a day to see what it is like! It wouldn't have to be just year 12 girls either, i would be willing to teach on the special needs or on the muslims or whatever. I would also like to have go at being nurse, I could v.easily do nurse. I also want to drive train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Would you be willing to do all 3 at the same time bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 I could v.easily do nurse. I also want to drive train. At the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Would you be willing to do all 3 at the same time bear. Not even Bearsy could do three nurses in one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 What they should do is when there is strike they should let just anyone turn up and do the job for a day. I reckon I would be good teacher! I would love to try it for a day to see what it is like! It wouldn't have to be just year 12 girls either, i would be willing to teach on the special needs or on the muslims or whatever. I would also like to have go at being nurse, I could v.easily do nurse. I also want to drive train. you jest , but make a serious point. If everyone strikes, the school kids without teachers can become the fireman, train drivers and Postmen. That way, kids learn a trade, services still run, and Jo Public ( me ) is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 We'll call it 'work experience week' and no one will notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 I would agree with you word for word Nick.... Except there is still ONE piece of the jigsaw that must be put in place. Jail for fat cat incompetent rip off morons who masquarade as being "Good Management". How the hell the morons that created the Banking Disaster/CDS/Derivatives and all that are STILL not in Jail for fraud, have kept their obscene pay-offs while forcing everyone else on the planet through an Economic misery hacks me off. So many examples of Moronic Management driving their companies into the ground than of real harm caused by the Dinosaurs..amen and thats the truth and untill we do that anything the governments we had since the 1980s i take what they take with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 What they should do is when there is strike they should let just anyone turn up and do the job for a day. I reckon I would be good teacher! I would love to try it for a day to see what it is like! It wouldn't have to be just year 12 girls either, i would be willing to teach on the special needs or on the muslims or whatever. I would also like to have go at being nurse, I could v.easily do nurse. I also want to drive train. You did that already with the converted Jaguar and the whole Caravan thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 When we are in a recession and everyone is scrapping around for money how come Rolls Royce have the best profits they have ever had? Seems that the rich don't suffer the same as those less fortunate. As to unions being scum - women would not have the same equal rights for pay as men if the Unions didn't exist. A lot of the laws that protect your employment are a direct result of the lobbying of Unions in the past. Too many people have a Maggie Thatcher attitude to the Unions - the Unions are there to support their paying members and act upon their members views. As to going on strike - do any of you really believe that any working man or woman in these times of decreasing living standards really wants to lose money? I don't. Going on stike isn't the first thing they want to do - its the last thing. I'm not endorsing a return to the 70's - its all about balance and that balance since dear old Maggie was in power has shifted to far to the rich fat cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 I would agree with you word for word Nick.... Except there is still ONE piece of the jigsaw that must be put in place. Jail for fat cat incompetent rip off morons who masquarade as being "Good Management". How the hell the morons that created the Banking Disaster/CDS/Derivatives and all that are STILL not in Jail for fraud, have kept their obscene pay-offs while forcing everyone else on the planet through an Economic misery hacks me off. So many examples of Moronic Management driving their companies into the ground than of real harm caused by the Dinosaurs.. What did they do that was fraudulent? Incompetence isn't a crime (or else jails would be full!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 When we are in a recession and everyone is scrapping around for money how come Rolls Royce have the best profits they have ever had? Seems that the rich don't suffer the same as those less fortunate. As to unions being scum - women would not have the same equal rights for pay as men if the Unions didn't exist. A lot of the laws that protect your employment are a direct result of the lobbying of Unions in the past. Too many people have a Maggie Thatcher attitude to the Unions - the Unions are there to support their paying members and act upon their members views. As to going on strike - do any of you really believe that any working man or woman in these times of decreasing living standards really wants to lose money? I don't. Going on stike isn't the first thing they want to do - its the last thing. I'm not endorsing a return to the 70's - its all about balance and that balance since dear old Maggie was in power has shifted to far to the rich fat cats. do rolls royce only do cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 It's funny that all those defending unions can only point to historic examples from decades ago. As far as I'm concerned any fireman who strikes has blood on their hands. If I were a fireman I can honestly say hand on heart I would not strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 How bout if they give you pink uniform and penis shaped hose that expelled kerosene rather than water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 The legislation on strike ballots and striking in general make it a pretty lame tool, in general, to settle a dispute. Personally, my blood boils more over those City types who pushed the country to near bankruptcy, and continue to trouser undeserved lucrative bonuses, than those on the opposite end of the pay scale looking to improve their lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Personally, my blood boils more over those City types who pushed the country to near bankruptcy, and continue to trouser undeserved lucrative bonuses, than those on the opposite end of the pay scale looking to improve their lot. Totally agree, I think we are heading for another financial crash, bigger than the last one, and history will look back on the people creaming off millions as criminals. I still don't get the striking thing though, people should just change their job if they are not happy with it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Teachers are not poorly paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Unions are good in general and have done many great things in the past. However there is another 'bob Crowe' side of the unions that protect their actions by saying their job is to get the best deal possible for their members. Not a fair deal but the best deal. He also said that there would never be a point when he did not ask for more money or better conditions for his members. This is the extreme unbalanced/unfair side that annoys people as at some point the deal has to be considered fair. Not saying it is or isn't fair now, just that that knobend and his ilk will always say it is not fair so it muddies the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Unions are good in general and have done many great things in the past. However there is another 'bob Crowe' side of the unions that protect their actions by saying their job is to get the best deal possible for their members. Not a fair deal but the best deal. He also said that there would never be a point when he did not ask for more money or better conditions for his members. This is the extreme unbalanced/unfair side that annoys people as at some point the deal has to be considered fair. Not saying it is or isn't fair now, just that that knobend and his ilk will always say it is not fair so it muddies the water. Good shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Totally agree, I think we are heading for another financial crash, bigger than the last one, and history will look back on the people creaming off millions as criminals. I still don't get the striking thing though, people should just change their job if they are not happy with it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Teachers are not poorly paid. I wouldn't be a teacher for the money they're on, my wife is a teacher who puts in long hours and has to deal with scumbag kids every day. It's rediculous to suggest that people should simply change careers. People do extra training and spend years cultivating their careers, you can't just write it off and do something else. The Govt has a massive monopoly on vocational workers and are abusing their power at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Many union members are public sector workers, many of whom are wrapped in cotton wool. It's the lower paid private sector workers that are being exploited. Many of them do not have union representation or insulation from redundancy or insulation from mis-treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 Many union members are public sector workers, many of whom are wrapped in cotton wool. It's the lower paid private sector workers that are being exploited. Many of them do not have union representation or insulation from redundancy or insulation from mis-treatment. So you're arguing for increased union representation throughout the economy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 September, 2013 Share Posted 6 September, 2013 I wouldn't be a teacher for the money they're on, my wife is a teacher who puts in long hours and has to deal with scumbag kids every day. It's rediculous to suggest that people should simply change careers. People do extra training and spend years cultivating their careers, you can't just write it off and do something else. The Govt has a massive monopoly on vocational workers and are abusing their power at the moment. I have sympathy for them but plenty of people have spent years cultivating their careers and don't have the option of striking. Most people I have spoke to seem to be working twice as hard for effectively the same money. The country is skint, people accept that there has to be cut backs but as soon as certain people feel a little hard done by their toys come out the pram. If teachers are unhappy with their deal I'm pretty sure there are plenty of graduates willing to do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 7 September, 2013 Share Posted 7 September, 2013 So you're arguing for increased union representation throughout the economy? No, just putting this "hard done by public sector workers" nonsense into perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 7 September, 2013 Share Posted 7 September, 2013 No, just putting this "hard done by public sector workers" nonsense into perspective Which public sector professions did you have in mind? Name the shirkers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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