England U21s tonight

[Olallana]

Fox Sports Commentator: "Shaw has been the best english player by a mile. Doesn´t play like a 18yr old, rather like a 30yr old experienced player"

[lifeintheslowlane]

Fox Sports Commentator: "Shaw has been the best english player by a mile. Doesn´t play like a 18yr old, rather like a 30yr old experienced player"

 

Has so much time...never looks flustered whatever the level and stronger than any teenage full back I've ever seen. Still he'll get better.

[SaintSparky]

Well done to the team and congratulations to Luke and James - top job by both

 

Attendance was just 5,268 - utterly woeful! (it was £10 for adults).

[Sour Mash]

Only caught the 2nd half. Thought Shaw looked excellent, JWP a little anonymous, England generally flattered to deceive a bit.

[hypochondriac]

Well done to the team and congratulations to Luke and James - top job by both

 

Attendance was just 5,268 - utterly woeful! (it was £10 for adults).

 

Pathetic. Should have been at sms we would have got a decent crowd

[Colinjb]

Well done to the team and congratulations to Luke and James - top job by both

 

Attendance was just 5,268 - utterly woeful! (it was £10 for adults).

 

Very little point in holding both the senior international and u21 within close proximity of each other in consecutive days. When the senior team are at home the u21's should play elsewhere. Bristol, Derby, Newcastle, Liverpool. Spread the interest in our national team.

[Bucks Saint]

Well done to the team and congratulations to Luke and James - top job by both

 

Attendance was just 5,268 - utterly woeful! (it was £10 for adults).

 

Reading fans only turn up when there is top class opposition to watch

[Bucks Saint]

Fox Sports Commentator: "Shaw has been the best english player by a mile. Doesn´t play like a 18yr old, rather like a 30yr old experienced player"

 

Not even mentioned by the BBC report #bigsurprisebbcbias

[S-Clarke]

Based on that, Shaw won't be in the U21 squad for long.

 

He'll be in the full team.

[mulletsaint]

Not even mentioned by the BBC report #bigsurprisebbcbias

 

TBH the other full back was as good, if not better. Zahar and Redmond did well as did Carroll. Carroll, Redmond and JWP faded somewhat second half.

[CityRanger]

Only caught the 2nd half. Thought Shaw looked excellent, JWP a little anonymous, England generally flattered to deceive a bit.

 

JWP was excellent in the first half. England dropped the tempo at the start of the 2nd half and he never got quite as involved after that.

[alpine_saint]

Based on that, Shaw won't be in the U21 squad for long.

 

He'll be in the full team.

 

Indeed.

 

Which English LBs are ahead of him still for full honours ? I can only think of Cole.

[Turkish]

Indeed.

 

Which English LBs are ahead of him still for full honours ? I can only think of Cole.

 

Baines

[alpine_saint]

Baines

 

Not in my head, he aint.

 

But assuming you are correct, that means he is only one injury away from a full call-up.

[Turkish]

Not in my head, he aint.

 

IN the real world he is.

[JRM]

Pathetic. Should have been at sms we would have got a decent crowd

 

saints would probably have insisted on charging £18 for adults

[alpine_saint]

IN the real world he is.

 

Find someone else to b*tch at, Turkish.

[Turkish]

Find someone else to b*tch at, Turkish.

 

Not *****ing, in the real world Baines is ahead of Shaw for England and rightly so. Just because you dont like it it doesnt mean its true.

 

In any case surely youd want to protect him, i mean if he were called up and it went pear shaped wouldn't it remind you of the Italy game and MLT? Surely you wouldn't want this to happen to an 18 year old just starting out in his career.

[NickG]

Personally think Shaw is probably up with Baines for ability, but behind on reliability and experience. By summer it maybe hard choice, particularly if Cole remains first choice, who offers alternative or better cover? Would it fit in with current thinking to take the future to a tournament (if we go!)

Baines may lose his place, but bet if had gone to Man U he would have been guaranteed.

[alpine_saint]

Not *****ing, in the real world Baines is ahead of Shaw for England and rightly so. Just because you dont like it it doesnt mean its true.

 

In any case surely youd want to protect him, i mean if he were called up and it went pear shaped wouldn't it remind you of the Italy game and MLT? Surely you wouldn't want this to happen to an 18 year old just starting out in his career.

 

If he screws up and the opponents score, he will cop the flack he does deserve, hopefully not out of proportion, and he will learn from it.

 

The situation with MLT (and hopefully not Rickie) is different. Several players share the responsibly for not scoring or assisting goals.

[alpine_saint]

Personally think Shaw is probably up with Baines for ability, but behind on reliability and experience. By summer it maybe hard choice, particularly if Cole remains first choice, who offers alternative or better cover? Would it fit in with current thinking to take the future to a tournament (if we go!)

Baines may lose his place, but bet if had gone to Man U he would have been guaranteed.

 

And again, it only takes one injury and Shaw is in the senior squad.

[lloydie]

Personally thought that Zaha looked irratating and lacked ANY end product. Half the player of Redmond. And apart from his assist I also thought Tom Carroll looked pretty wastefull when he had possession. JWP looked ok, and Shaw look absoloute class, as did the everton full back.

[BotleySaint]

Personally thought that Zaha looked irratating and lacked ANY end product.

Every time I've seen Zaha he's been crap. Dancing about all over the pitch taking one touch too many and trying to beat everyone. Only 20 of course, but extremely frustrating player. Hopefully he'll come good for England's sake. As a team I thought there was spells where England had too many individuals and not working as a team. Players shooting, taking the chances themselves when better options were available.

 

Ward-Prowse was tidy but bypassed a lot by some of the egos unfortunately as he's a team player. Shaw was class enough to shine through of course.

[Lazlo78]

The age spread from those 21 players in the squad is 21 (2), 20 (9), 19 (6) and 18 (4). Shaw and WP have done really well to be in that side instead of the U19's!

 

http://www.thefa.com/england/mens-under-21s/Team

[Patrick Bateman]

Agree with the analysis on Zaha - he will be a very good player, no question. But on the basis of being able to compare them directly last night, I'd say that Redmond looked the more astute recent purchase of the two. I was also suitably impressed with Berahino!!

 

Shaw was of course, excellent; though not yet ready to replace Cole - Baines is ahead of him in the pecking order, rightly so at the moment based on defensive ability and top flight experience, but it won't be long - he's only 18 for Christ sake!!

[Lazlo78]

Callum Chambers scores as England win 6 1

 

Don't know if this was already mentioned, but apparently the goal was scored by Leo Chambers from West Ham.

 

http://www.thefa.com/england/mens-u19s/News/Match%20Centre/2013/estonia-v-england/050913

 

But Calum was made captain, I see!

[trousers]

Don't know if this was already mentioned, but apparently the goal was scored by Leo Chambers from West Ham.

 

http://www.thefa.com/england/mens-u19s/News/Match%20Centre/2013/estonia-v-england/050913

 

But Calum was made captain, I see!

 

Calum scored the first goal. Leo got the 3rd.

 

Edit: hmmm, hang on....just reading another report. Sounds like the FA and Saints Tweets from last night might have mistakenly credited Calum with a goal....?

 

Here's the half time tweet from the FA last night:

 

The FA ‏@FA

Half-time in Tallinn and it's Estonia 1-3 #EnglandU19s. The goals came from Calum Chambers (12), Jordon Ibe (30) and Leo Chambers (40).

Edited 6 September, 2013 by trousers

[Saint Without a Halo]

Well done to the team and congratulations to Luke and James - top job by both

 

Attendance was just 5,268 - utterly woeful! (it was £10 for adults).

 

Wonder how many they would have had as StMarys with Luke and JWP in the team? you would think the FA would at least try to consider who is likely to play when choosing locations.

[Give it to Ron]

Intereseting on Talksport this morning really praising Shaw and saying how Baines is unlucky that Cole keeps him out of the side and Shaw will bypass him and straight in over him.Of course had to get dig in about Man U putting in a bid.

[SNSUN]

I think Shaw is good enough for the full England team too, but nowhere near Baines and Cole at the moment. Cole though is at the end of his career, and Baines is no spring chicken, so if Shaw continues his progress, that left back spot will be his for years. (Probably fighting it out with Bertrand.) I think the World Cup will come too soon (pending the other two don't get injuries) but after that things will get interesting.

 

As for Bearsyrinho, he's looking like one for the future - and what a week for him!

[Dig Dig]

I think Shaw is good enough for the full England team too, but nowhere near Baines and Cole at the moment. Cole though is at the end of his career, and Baines is no spring chicken, so if Shaw continues his progress, that left back spot will be his for years. (Probably fighting it out with Bertrand.) I think the World Cup will come too soon (pending the other two don't get injuries) but after that things will get interesting.

 

As for Bearsyrinho, he's looking like one for the future - and what a week for him!

 

Baines and Cole are obviously more experienced and more proven but how is Shaw no way near them? Are you talking in terms of ability? If so, be interester to hear which attributes he is miles behind on?

[SNSUN]

Baines and Cole are obviously more experienced and more proven but how is Shaw no way near them? Are you talking in terms of ability? If so, be interester to hear which attributes he is miles behind on?

 

Nowhere near in terms of experience and consistancy. Luke Shaw is a cracking player, defensively and offensively, but he's only bee a regular for less than a season, and has come up with a few niggling injuries in that time. I'd love to see Shaw in the squad for Brazil, but I think the other two will probably get the nod.

[Toomer]

Reading fans only turn up when there is top class opposition to watch

 

Reading fans only go to the Mad Stad because thet can't get tickets for the so called big London clubs.

[farawaysaint]

Every time I've seen Zaha he's been crap. Dancing about all over the pitch taking one touch too many and trying to beat everyone. Only 20 of course, but extremely frustrating player. Hopefully he'll come good for England's sake. As a team I thought there was spells where England had too many individuals and not working as a team. Players shooting, taking the chances themselves when better options were available.

 

Ward-Prowse was tidy but bypassed a lot by some of the egos unfortunately as he's a team player. Shaw was class enough to shine through of course.

 

Agreed, though I haven't been able to like the bugger ever since he said the only two players in the world better than him were Ronaldo and Messi so I'm biased.