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I believe that we have to include any player we have to fill the quota, even if we have zero intention of playing them....(see Barnard, Lee, Sharp, Forte, Martin)

 

 

Southampton

 

25 squad players

Player (Home Grown)

Boruc, Artur (No)

Clyne, Nathaniel Edwin (Yes)

Cork, Jack Frank Porteous (Yes)

Davis, Kelvin Geoffery (Yes)

Davis, Steven (Yes)

Do Prado Raymundo, Guilherme (No)

Fonte, Jose Miguel (No)

Fox, Daniel (Yes)

Hooiveld, Jos (No)

Lallana, Adam David (Yes)

Lambert, Rickie Lee (Yes)

Lovren, Dejan (No)

Osvaldo, Pablo Daniel (No)

Ramirez Pereyra, Gaston Exequiel (No)

Rodriguez, Jay Enriqus (Yes)

Schneiderlin, Morgan (Yes)

Wanyama, Victor (No)

Yoshida, Maya (No)

Lee, Tadanari (No)

Barnard, Lee James (Yes)

Forte, Jonathan Ronald James (Yes)

Martin, Aaron (Yes)

Sharp, Billy Louis (Yes)

 

 

Under-21 players (Contract and Scholars)

Branker, Jamal Arron Christopher

Britt, William David

Chambers, Calum

Clinton, Kyle

Colmer, Fraser William

Cropper, Cody Joseph

Curtis, Joe Edward

Debayo, Joshua Akinkunmi

Demkiv, Daniel Steven

Flannigan, Jake

Gallagher, Samuel James

Gape, Dominic Edward

Gazzaniga, Paulo Dino

Hesketh, Jake Alexander

Higgins, Charlie

Irvine, Mark Joshua

Isgrove, Lloyd Jeffrey

Isted, Harvey James Duke

Johns, Christopher Patrick Adam

Leggett, Thomas Jacob

Little, Armani

Mason, Niall Aadya

McCarthy, Jason Sean

McQueen, Samuel James

Mells, George John

Moore, Corby James

Mugabi, Bevis Kristofer Kizito

Nehemie, Isaac

Reed, Harrison James

Regis, Christopher

Robinson, Andreas Sonny

Rowe, Omar Reiss

Seager, Ryan Paul

Shaw, Luke Paul Hoare

Sims, Joshua Samuel

Sinclair, Jake Tony

Stephens, Jack

Targett, Matthew Robert

Turnbull, Jordan Robert

Ward Prowse, James Michael Edward

White, James Steven St John

Wood, William Nicholas

Young, Matthew Robert

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Minsk

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I believe that we have to include any player we have to fill the quota, even if we have zero intention of playing them....(see Barnard, Lee, Sharp, Forte, Martin)

 

 

Southampton

 

25 squad players

Player (Home Grown)

Boruc, Artur (No)

Clyne, Nathaniel Edwin (Yes)

Cork, Jack Frank Porteous (Yes)

Davis, Kelvin Geoffery (Yes)

Davis, Steven (Yes)

Do Prado Raymundo, Guilherme (No)

Fonte, Jose Miguel (No)

Fox, Daniel (Yes)

Hooiveld, Jos (No)

Lallana, Adam David (Yes)

Lambert, Rickie Lee (Yes)

Lovren, Dejan (No)

Osvaldo, Pablo Daniel (No)

Ramirez Pereyra, Gaston Exequiel (No)

Rodriguez, Jay Enriqus (Yes)

Schneiderlin, Morgan (Yes)

Wanyama, Victor (No)

Yoshida, Maya (No)

Lee, Tadanari (No)

Barnard, Lee James (Yes)

Forte, Jonathan Ronald James (Yes)

Martin, Aaron (Yes)

Sharp, Billy Louis (Yes)

 

 

 

This is indeed correct.

 

Which is another reason why I don't believe a club enquired about one of them, was given a valuation, and then we refused to sell him when they agreed to pay the price we had set. It would make no sense at all. Even if these players subsequently go out on loan, tyhey now count towards our 25.

 

Still, at least we still have room to sign two more non-contract players - should the need and opportunity arise.

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Right, so we can blow the myth about Billy out of the water right now.

 

If we get some injuries, get desperate, or MoPo suffers a tactical brain fart/epiphany (depending on your perspective) he can be given a squad number and immediately selected to play, right ?

 

I suspect, therefore, that this urban myth about him being persona non grata at Staplewood is complete b*ll*cks.

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Right, so we can blow the myth about Billy out of the water right now.

 

If we get some injuries, get desperate, or MoPo suffers a tactical brain fart/epiphany (depending on your perspective) he can be given a squad number and immediately selected to play, right ?

 

I suspect, therefore, that this urban myth about him being persona non grata at Staplewood is complete b*ll*cks.

 

he's on the list because we have no choice in the matter, giving him a game is something else. Any PL club that doesn't have 25

other over 21 last 1 Jan players that they do want to play has to nominate any other senior professional on their payroll to make up the numbers. Dickson was on the list last year and Forte, didn't play them though.

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Right, so we can blow the myth about Billy out of the water right now.

 

If we get some injuries, get desperate, or MoPo suffers a tactical brain fart/epiphany (depending on your perspective) he can be given a squad number and immediately selected to play, right ?

 

I suspect, therefore, that this urban myth about him being persona non grata at Staplewood is complete b*ll*cks.

 

In the relatively unlikely event that Lambert, Osvaldo and Rodriguez are all unavailable for the same game I would imagine MP would play Ramirez in a more advanced position. And in the even more unlikely event that Ramirez was also unavailable then I would expect him to either just play with attacking midfielders (haven't Spain and/or Barcelona played without a recognised out-and-out striker quite often in recent times?) or call upon the likes of Sinclair, Rowe or Seager ahead of Sharp. We'll never actually know unless the unlikely happens.

 

(Don't get me wrong, I'd quite like to see Sharp given a crack of the whip in the Premier League, but I don't think it'll happen for whatever reason)

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How come not one forum member has found the time to pop down to Staplewood and find who is training there. Sharp, as I posted on the Mayuka thread, posted on Twitter last night he's returned to Southampton and is staying in the Ennis Hotel. He'd been up north at home with his wife and son since last Thursday.

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How come not one forum member has found the time to pop down to Staplewood and find who is training there. Sharp, as I posted on the Mayuka thread, posted on Twitter last night he's returned to Southampton and is staying in the Ennis Hotel. He'd been up north at home with his wife and son since last Thursday.

 

Because no one cares. At all.

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Right, so we can blow the myth about Billy out of the water right now.

 

If we get some injuries, get desperate, or MoPo suffers a tactical brain fart/epiphany (depending on your perspective) he can be given a squad number and immediately selected to play, right ?

 

I suspect, therefore, that this urban myth about him being persona non grata at Staplewood is complete b*ll*cks.

 

Have Sharp (or Martin, Tadanari Lee, Barnard, Forte) been seen training with the first team at all this season in training videos or photo galleries? No

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Have Sharp (or Martin, Tadanari Lee, Barnard, Forte) been seen training with the first team at all this season in training videos or photo galleries? No

 

who said they were training with the 1st team?

 

the myth was started by s-clarke who posted this.........

 

Billy, Barnard, Tananari have all been told they are not in our plans. They have not been included in the squad and have been told not to turn up to staplewood any more.

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This is indeed correct.

 

Which is another reason why I don't believe a club enquired about one of them, was given a valuation, and then we refused to sell him when they agreed to pay the price we had set. It would make no sense at all. Even if these players subsequently go out on loan, tyhey now count towards our 25.

 

Still, at least we still have room to sign two more non-contract players - should the need and opportunity arise.

 

I don't get your logic. We already have 2 free slots and as you say, we can only buy out-of-contract players - we bought one last season when we didn't have a decent keeper, but really, how many out-of-contract players do we need ?

 

We were (EDIT : NOT OVER) over the 25 pros limit last season but still had space for Boruc apparently because of the (apparent but unproven) ruling about having to have two over 23 GKs in the squad and not being able to name 25 as a result. Seems to have worked in our favour.

 

Clearly season-long loanees don't have to be named though, which took Sharp out of the equation last year but not this time.

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We weren't over the 25, we didn't include 3 loanees.
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I don't get your logic. We already have 2 free slots and as you say, we can only buy out-of-contract players - we bought one last season when we didn't have a decent keeper, but really, how many out-of-contract players do we need ?

 

We were over the 25 pros limit last season but still had space for Boruc apparently because of the (apparent but unproven) ruling about having to have two over 23 GKs in the squad and not being able to name 25 as a result. Seems to have worked in our favour.

 

Clearly season-long loanees don't have to be named though, which took Sharp out of the equation last year but not this time.

 

You can't buy out of contract players anyway, you can't leave contracted pros off the list if you don't have 25 others who are over 21, don't think we were up to 25 last year, think we had 23 including the "non-players".

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You can't buy out of contract players anyway, you can't leave contracted pros off the list if you don't have 25 others who are over 21, don't think we were up to 25 last year, think we had 23 including the "non-players".

 

We had 23 not including Boruc last season. 24 after we signed him as an out of contract player. I don't know why you think we can't do that. My point is that you're highly unlikely to want to be signing two of them, and limiting it to two because you haven't got rid of others who won't play but have to be named is therefore not a problem.

 

http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/squad-lists/Squad-Lists-September-2012.pdf

 

Last season we named Dickson and Forte, but not Sharp (season long loan) or Barnard (half season loan at AFCB I think ?) or Martin (half season at Palace).

 

Southampton -

Player Home Grown

1 Butterfield, Daniel Paul Yes

2 Chaplow, Richard David Yes

3 Cork, Jack Frank Porteous Yes

4 Davis, Kelvin Geoffery Yes

5 Davis, Steven Yes

6 De Ridder, Steve Danny Marc No

7 Dickson, Ryan Anthony Yes

8 Do Prado Raymundo, Guilherme No

9 Fonte, Jose Miguel No

10 Forte, Jonathan Ronald James Yes

11 Fox, Daniel Yes

12 Hooiveld, Jos No

13 Lallana, Adam David Yes

14 Lambert, Rickie Lee Yes

15 Lee, Tadanari No

16 Mayuka, Emmanuel No

17 Puncheon, Jason David Ian Yes

18 Ramirez Pereyra, Gaston Exequiel No

19 Richardson, Frazer Yes

20 Rodriguez, Jay Enriqus Yes

21 Schneiderlin, Morgan Yes

22 Seaborne, Daniel Anthony Yes

23 Yoshida, Maya No

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I see that Palace don't have our problem then, they've had to leave a couple of players on the sidelines because they have too many pros. I'd have thought Dobbie would merit his place there though..apparently not.

 

Weird considering they only bought him in July and he's already played this season !

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my point is entirely semantic sign and not buy..:rolleyes:

 

Wow, that was pointless, and you're talking to Mr Pointless Semantics here, who gets annoyed by some people using the word "sign" in the Pochettinoooooo song because it isn't a usual footballing term for managers. Well done.

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Who dat ?

Florian Marange, signed on a free from Bordeaux. Played 23 times for them last season, so seems to have at least some pedigree, and must be there or thereabouts as he was chucked into their second string side at Bristol City last week. Now left out of the 25 altogether!

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I don't get your logic. We already have 2 free slots and as you say, we can only buy out-of-contract players - we bought one last season when we didn't have a decent keeper, but really, how many out-of-contract players do we need ?

 

We were (EDIT : NOT OVER) over the 25 pros limit last season but still had space for Boruc apparently because of the (apparent but unproven) ruling about having to have two over 23 GKs in the squad and not being able to name 25 as a result. Seems to have worked in our favour.

 

Clearly season-long loanees don't have to be named though, which took Sharp out of the equation last year but not this time.

 

We only have those two free slots because of the late loan out of Puncheon and the last day one of Mayuka. I also seriously doubt we will sign any non-contract players (as WC pointed out, if they are out of contract they wouldn't need to be bought) but it is nice to have the option to do so on the off chance that a player we would like suddenly finds himself 'out of contract' by mutual consent - or if was to buy himself out of one - (I know, this a Skate tactic and not something we would do).

 

In any event, I don't believe if a prem club had met our valuation for Billy with a firm bid we would have turned it down. That, in itself, does not make any sense.

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We only have those two free slots because of the late loan out of Puncheon and the last day one of Mayuka. I also seriously doubt we will sign any non-contract players (as WC pointed out, if they are out of contract they wouldn't need to be bought) but it is nice to have the option to do so on the off chance that a player we would like suddenly finds himself 'out of contract' by mutual consent - or if was to buy himself out of one - (I know, this a Skate tactic and not something we would do).

 

In any event, I don't believe if a prem club had met our valuation for Billy with a firm bid we would have turned it down. That, in itself, does not make any sense.

 

They don't need to be bought, but they do need to be paid. I think it's highly unlikely we'd find an out-of-contract player who'd offer us more than either Mayuka or Puncheon and can't imagine that freeing up some slots for non-contract players was the logic behind it. Guly is strangely near the first team again now though.

 

Agreed that we'd have sold if someone had met our and Sharp's terms. I suspect that the latter is the sticking point. We must have offered good terms to get him to leave Doncaster at a very difficult time, with us as a top 2 Championship side, the contract probably having a promotion wage hike like numerous others have had, and as a result he's priced out of playing for anyone outside the Prem, where he still doesn't have any experience. I can't see Sharp leaving until the final year of his contract, and I can't blame him for that.

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Very odd that he's suddenly appeared on the OS in this seasons kit... Don't see any of the 'others' such as Billy on there.

 

Would love Lee to be given his chance. We've never really seen what he's fully capable of. Can't do much worse than Mayuka in last seasons appearances...

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Very odd that he's suddenly appeared on the OS in this seasons kit... Don't see any of the 'others' such as Billy on there.

 

Would love Lee to be given his chance. We've never really seen what he's fully capable of. Can't do much worse than Mayuka in last seasons appearances...

 

Might give us an extra option because Tad can be quick if he wants and he can finish extremely well . Obviously loaning out Mayuka and Puncheon has freed up the possibility of a bit of realistic game time for Tad. Perhaps he's been looking sharp in training with the U21s or whatever it is. We'll see if he's really stepped back up to the 1st team group when we get next week's training pix.

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Might give us an extra option because Tad can be quick if he wants and he can finish extremely well . Obviously loaning out Mayuka and Puncheon has freed up the possibility of a bit of realistic game time for Tad. Perhaps he's been looking sharp in training with the U21s or whatever it is. We'll see if he's really stepped back up to the 1st team group when we get next week's training pix.

 

Very good point. I suppose we'll know for sure when they do the pre-match training video etc. Not quite sure why he'd be on there otherwise...

 

Unless of course it's to try and appease our Japanese fan base we've acquired since we've signed him and Maya.

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