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Arsenal's failed 12 million bid for Scheiderlin

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£12m, laughable.

 

Seeing as James McCarthy went for £13m, they're having a laugh.

 

It's only a couple of months ago where some forum experts were saying that anyone who said we wouldn't sell Morgan for £12M+ were deluded. :facepalm:

pingwing

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£12m, laughable.

 

Seeing as James McCarthy went for £13m, they're having a laugh.

 

Exactly this.

 

Also I like the club comment at the end "declined to comment" seems a good way to deal with this sort of nonsense as it sounds like Arsenal could have let this slip to unsettle the player...

Window Cleaner

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Exactly this.

 

Also I like the club comment at the end "declined to comment" seems a good way to deal with this sort of nonsense as it sounds like Arsenal could have let this slip to unsettle the player...

 

 

he certainly looked unsettled these last couple of games, then again he may not be 100% fit. Desperately wants to get into the French side and it really doesn't look like happening.

Saint Mikey

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£12m, laughable.

 

Seeing as James McCarthy went for £13m, they're having a laugh.

 

McCarthy has made 120 Prem Apps and has 19 Int'l caps. Is also younger at 22. Why would Morgan command the same, or as your post insinuates...more?

Bucks Saint

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he certainly looked unsettled these last couple of games, then again he may not be 100% fit. Desperately wants to get into the French side and it really doesn't look like happening.

 

Stated that he needs to be playing [first team football - his main reason for joining us in the first place] well for Saints, to have a chance. How many first team starts might he get at Arsenal , and who would they drop??

Window Cleaner

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Stated that he needs to be playing [first team football - his main reason for joining us in the first place] well for Saints, to have a chance. How many first team starts might he get at Arsenal , and who would they drop??

 

Rosicky for a start or Ramsey,

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Stated that he needs to be playing [first team football - his main reason for joining us in the first place] well for Saints, to have a chance. How many first team starts might he get at Arsenal , and who would they drop??

 

He would get plenty of games at Arsenal, Wilshere is always injured and they could drop Ramsey quite easily to accomodate a player like Morgan.

CB Fry

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Stated that he needs to be playing [first team football - his main reason for joining us in the first place] well for Saints, to have a chance. How many first team starts might he get at Arsenal , and who would they drop??

 

Read the threads about Jack Cork.

 

Everyone on the forum is fully on board with squad rotation these days, so Morgan being a squad player at Arsenal would be just fine, just like it is with Corky here.

Glasgow_Saint

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£12m seems low when you consider the transfers of others this summer.

 

I said towards the end of the season that he was worth £15m, but needed another decent season to generate some interest from other clubs + France.

 

Not had the best start to the season - maybe this is simply the new partnership?

Wes Tender

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McCarthy has made 120 Prem Apps and has 19 Int'l caps. Is also younger at 22. Why would Morgan command the same, or as your post insinuates...more?

 

Whereas number of appearances is indicative, it does not necessarily follow that just because a player has made more appearances and has some international caps, that he is therefore a better player and worth more than another. It rather depends on whom the appearances were for, both at club and International level and Wigan and the Republic of Ireland don't exactly set the pulse racing. The statistics for tackles and interceptions are something that makes Schneiderlin a cut above most midfielders and I don't particularly hear much in that direction about McCarthy. So it is quite feasible that Schneiderlin is worth more than McCarthy and if he gets to play for his national team, then that will also be a cut above the Republic of Ireland too.

 

Ultimately the value of a player is what a club is prepared to pay for him and £12 million was not enough for Arsenal to get him, so at least he is worth more than that to us.

Turkish

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Whereas number of appearances is indicative, it does not necessarily follow that just because a player has made more appearances and has some international caps, that he is therefore a better player and worth more than another. It rather depends on whom the appearances were for, both at club and International level and Wigan and the Republic of Ireland don't exactly set the pulse racing. The statistics for tackles and interceptions are something that makes Schneiderlin a cut above most midfielders and I don't particularly hear much in that direction about McCarthy. So it is quite feasible that Schneiderlin is worth more than McCarthy and if he gets to play for his national team, then that will also be a cut above the Republic of Ireland too.

 

Ultimately the value of a player is what a club is prepared to pay for him and £12 million was not enough for Arsenal to get him, so at least he is worth more than that to us.

 

WIgan have been above us or in the same division as us for every season bar this one for the past 8, why are Schiderlins appearances for us so much more impressive and pulse racing than those McCarthy made at Wigan?

DuncanRG

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Rosicky for a start or Ramsey,

 

I'm speculating, but I imagine that Arsenal's starting midfield and frontline will be:

 

Wilshere Arteta

Walcott Ozil Cazorla

Giroud

 

Schneiderlin wouldn't unseat any of them, he'd be a squad player.

Window Cleaner

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I'm speculating, but I imagine that Arsenal's starting midfield and frontline will be:

 

Wilshere Arteta

Walcott Ozil Cazorla

Giroud

 

Schneiderlin wouldn't unseat any of them, he'd be a squad player.

 

 

Wilshere isn't a DM and Arteta is out for a while yet. Which is why Rosicky and Ramsey are starting I'd guess. They do have Flamini though so if Wenger was really looking at Morgan then it would be for some reason other than to be a squad player because once the line up you state above kicks in they'll have Ramsey,Rosicky,Flamini and perhaps even Diaby in reserve.

DuncanRG

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Arteta is arguably less of a 'defensive midfielder' than Wilshere is - but Wenger famously doesn't use them. The last player he really had of that ilk was Alex Song, and even then he marauded forward and chipped balls through to Van Persie every game.

 

That roll call is the sort of depth a European side needs, particularly when some of them can play further forward (Rosicky, Ramsey, Wilshere to an extent)

SuperMikey

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I don't think McCarthy and Schneiderlin are too far apart in terms of quality. Morgan had a cracking season last year but McCarthy made Wigan tick for 3 or 4 seasons. Good little player, and for £12m I think Everton have done well - especially considering Fellaini cost them nearly £30m.

saints-cris

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Cabaye was allowed to listen into a phone call with Arsenal apparently, and they said 12mil seems alot for a reserve. Cant imagine Morgan would have been more than a reserve either.

ART

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Maybe it's just me but this doesn't make any sense.
Pochettino said there was no bid from Fulham. Thus, it was a rumor put out as the deadline approached. Seeing Arsenal are said to have tried to get Scheiderlin, my own thoughts are the Cork rumor may have been put out by them, hoping to unsettle his mate Scheiderln were Saints to accept Arsenals bid.

It's ART, nothing makes sense.

 

Who the hell are givemesport anyway?

 

Try living overseas for 40 years speaking 5 languages and rarely English.

 

GiveMeSport is a leading Sports website with over a third of a million members. Their Football section is second to none and more reliable than the likes of Talksport, and most others.

 

Even you of all persons will certainly appreciate the site and their articles, news and interviews.

http://www.givemesport.com/

Saint_clark

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Read the threads about Jack Cork.

 

Everyone on the forum is fully on board with squad rotation these days, so Morgan being a squad player at Arsenal would be just fine, just like it is with Corky here.

 

In your desperation to be sarcastic/snide you've missed the point of the post. He was saying that he needed to be playing first team football in order to have a chance with the French side, not commenting on his chances at Arsenal.

Saint Mikey

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WIgan have been above us or in the same division as us for every season bar this one for the past 8, why are Schiderlins appearances for us so much more impressive and pulse racing than those McCarthy made at Wigan?

 

I'm still waiting for a reply to this, plus a reply from the all seeing, all knowing S-Clarke on why Morgan is worth so much more than McCarthy...

The9

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In your desperation to be sarcastic/snide you've missed the point of the post. He was saying that he needed to be playing first team football in order to have a chance with the French side, not commenting on his chances at Arsenal.

 

Didn't we establish yesterday that Deschamps only picks players from teams in the Champions League ?

CB Fry

CB Fry

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In your desperation to be sarcastic/snide you've missed the point of the post. He was saying that he needed to be playing first team football in order to have a chance with the French side, not commenting on his chances at Arsenal.

 

I'd say signing for Arsenal dramatically improves his chances of playing for France.

The9

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Morgan is certainly worth more than Mcarthy as he is a better player!

 

I think the idea is to try and back it up with some kind of evidence.

 

Like, for instance, that Schneiderlin led the division in interceptions and successful tackles last season, or something like that.

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