A serious transfer window review thread...

[Giordano]

A minus for me.

Three World class starting players. Best transfer window in my memory. Only give a "minus" because in an ideal, perfect world they would have joined earlier bonded earlier etc and it might have helped get results quicker. But that's a "might".

 

Those that want pace or feel we lack wide pace - I think Clyne and Shaw have enough pace, in our standard formation they are our "wingers". Chambers CAN bomb on but he is still learning how to play that position don't forget- and also don't forget he got the highest score in the training VO2 max tests ( basically suggesting he has got the most efficient engine in the team ie he is loosely what you could describe as the fittest) as has Jrod who is faster than any centre back ive seen and one of the fastest in our squad for sure, and if you need more for whatever reason Id pick Omar Rowe- who is (I think) the fastest we have in a straight line at the club.

[Toon Saint]

I'd have to give us an A. Drastically improved the spine of the team bringing in three international class players, who not only bring strength, guile, and composure, but also a mental edge that we have been lacking. Lovren, in particular, looks like a Southampton Captain in the making - incredible passion and winning mentality demonstrated by him in his short time with us so far.

 

It's been a window in which we have shattered expectations, not only of our own fans but fans of other clubs in the PL. The consistency of quality that we have been able to attract should make it that bit easier to recruit as we move forward; agents and selling clubs will no longer see us as precocious upstarts but serious and credible contenders in the transfer market.

 

On paper, you'd say that the signings we have made would improve every team in the PL - if Arsenal, for instance, signed Lovren, Wanyama, and Osvaldo (while not immediately recognised as world class,) I'm sure their fans would have been excited by those deals. If you put Osvaldo in a similar bracket to forwards such as Negredo and Soldado then you'd have to say the £12.9 million we paid looks like good business, and the transfer fees shelled out for Wanyama and Lovren look to be steals based on early form.

 

Good to see that we got the deals done early with no panicking on the deadline day. All our dealings seem well thought out and part of a coherent transfer policy. More than that, we have shed the idea of us as a selling club. Keeping hold of the likes of JWP and Shaw, who could both mature to be the best English players in their respective positions, makes such a refreshing change and credit must go to Cortese for signing our young prospects up on long term deals.

 

Poch needs to tinker a little to restore the balance of the team which has not, as have some suggested, been the result of Wanyama's introduction into CM, but was pretty evident in the final 6-7 games of last season. Partly this was due to Puncheon's omission from the starting line-up in these games, and while I don't think he is the incredible player that some make out on here, he did provide balance on the RW that we seem to be lacking at the moment. A signing in that position would have been welcome, but alas, the transfer committee obviously felt that there wasn't any value to be had on the market.

 

I'm not convinced we play as well when Lallana and J-Rod play together as part of the AM trident, but with the transfer activity and the youth players coming through (Isgrove, Rowe) Poch has enough options to remedy that. I'm hopeful that Ramirez and Osvaldo can start clicking together and provide a bit more threat in the final third, as we need to restore that dynamism and fluidity across the front four that we displayed in our better performances last year.

 

Disappointing result at the weekend aside, we have so much to look forward to and can't wait for West Ham game (which incidentally will my first live one of the season).

[DuncanRG]

Put it this way - I've had more than one Arsenal-supporting friend tell me that they'd have liked all three of our signings and that they would have improved their team.

 

Say what you like about Arsenal's transfer window but for Southampton to be buying players that would interest one of the biggest and best clubs in England is unbelievable. We'll see how the season unfolds but I'm confident that at least one of these guys is going to be an absolute superstar for us.

[dubai_phil]

By all accounts, Billy Sharp is a really nice bloke and perhaps the club haven't treated him in the best possible manner. But I just don't understand this overly sentimental attachment to the guy among some of our fans. Yes, he helped us get to the Premier League but to varying degrees so did De Ridder, Chaplow, Hammond, Lee, etc. Unfortunately, some of the players that have helped us get through the leagues have been left behind as they are simply are not good enough for where the club wants to be. In a perfect world everyone of these players would have been given their chance and they would have turned out to be Premier League class players destroying all opposition before them. We have been lucky that quite a few have been able to make that jump and some have even excelled - Morgan and Lambert for example. But this naive expectation that because he helped us get to the Premier League that he is somehow entitled to a chance is just a complete folly. Sharp had obvious limitations as a Championship player and these would become even more pronounced and obvious in the Premier League. Get over it, he most probably won't be given a chance in the EPL and nor is he entitled to one.

 

His personal issues probably contribute to it. Sharp had been through an awful lot just before leaving Doncaster, he came here for a fresh start, did exactly what was required of him and then just 4 months after signing he was deemed to be surplus to requirements.

 

It is harsh..... but it's football.

 

He was entitled to more of a chance with us, the team he helped into the PL, than a second-half sub appearance against Wigan.

 

His chance was sacrificed to justify the signing of Mayuka.

 

Guys/Mods

 

We currently have around 10 Billy Sharp threads dating back 12 months

 

Can you PLEASE move across there with this stuff.

[Giordano]

For me it isn't about the ability of the players we have signed because no one can argue that they seem decent but it is the type of players that can be called into question. Lovren is a fantastic signing but for the other two I would argue that there were more pressing priorities. It is of course extremely early days but the problem now is that we are sort of forced into starting these two even if it disrupts the team. Breaking up the cork and Morgan combo seems like a bad idea to me and imo Wanyama may be a good player but cm was pretty much our strongest area last year. It will be interesting to see how the striker situation plays out but we had two main weaknesses last year CB and no directness and running with the ball when attacking. Pretty rubbish that we didn't address that glaring weakness and actually made it weaker. As Norwich showed we were completely predictable and easy to defend against.

 

Wait until either MS or VW get suspended/injured/lose form. This year we have fantastic back up. Last year we did not. Last year we were rubbish until our DM's got into a rhythm. This year we have started with the new "big money" signing as - quite frankly - you would expect, and dropped Cork rather than drop Morgan - all natural logical decisions. IF/When there are suspensions/injuries or form drops Cork will get his chance.

I agree about directness : I think that Jrod was direct running with ball last year- case in point goal v Liverpool, but he then tailed off. Why? Please do it again Jrod. Ramirez started doing that but then he stopped too. Why? If those two do not do it then it is only Clyne and Shaw to take players on and go past them as Ads can beat a player but can rarely get away from them, and Osvaldo does not seem that kind of player. This element of the game is the one with the most risk. Possession football is less risky, taking a guy on but getting tackled / dispossessed opens us up to what is being called a transition situation from attack to defence, and depending upon if our full backs are in place or not this could be disastrous against teams just lobbing a long ball forward to a fast powerful attacker...case in point west brom with Lukaku. It is a valid strategy, already being used last year and this against Southampton to let us have the ball and defend well but to take advantage of a number of transition situations that will happen every game to release a marauding striker on exposed centre backs.

Edited 3 September, 2013 by Giordano

[hypochondriac]

It seems to me that our attacking intent stems from full back. The difference in the second half v Sunderland when Clyne actually overlapped his fellow wideman and linked in with the midfield utterly changed the game, we looked infinitely more dangerous. At Norwich, with Shaw and Clyne out we were exposed and played right into Norwich's hands. Chambers is ok defensively but is no attacking threat, as for Danny Fox.... well, I think enough has already been said.

 

Get Shaw and Clyne back in and we'll be ok. Our lack of options from this position is currently our biggest weakness for me.

 

Well if we are relying solely on that tactic then I am worried. We have plan a and that's about it. Losing puncheon and not replacing him is so disappointing because he offered us something different.

[hypochondriac]

Bit confused by people grading us an A. Surely A would be absolutely perfect yet most believe we still have some weaknesses so how can you say we have had a perfect Window?

[DuncanRG]

Bit confused by people grading us an A. Surely A would be absolutely perfect yet most believe we still have some weaknesses so how can you say we have had a perfect Window?

 

I got As in school but it's tough to get full marks

[saint1977]

It seems to me that our attacking intent stems from full back. The difference in the second half v Sunderland when Clyne actually overlapped his fellow wideman and linked in with the midfield utterly changed the game, we looked infinitely more dangerous. At Norwich, with Shaw and Clyne out we were exposed and played right into Norwich's hands. Chambers is ok defensively but is no attacking threat, as for Danny Fox.... well, I think enough has already been said.

 

Get Shaw and Clyne back in and we'll be ok. Our lack of options from this position is currently our biggest weakness for me.

 

Pretty much sums up what we saw at Carrow in a tight contest but if Rowe and Isgrove are on the bench it gives us some other options if we fall behind in games. Overall, the three players we signed are top drawer and in the case of Lovren is already making a huge difference. Wanyama was excellent in his first two games and I'm sure Osvaldo will contribute as well, we need him to.

 

The reality is Saints probably had a far better window than most in the PL. Everton did well yesterday but there were some farces elesewhere. Why Moyes didn't activate Fellaini's contract release in July is anyone's guess but their activity yesterday, most of it aborted, stank of panic and disorganisation. Holloway bought whatever scraps were left for Palace, couldn't see any strategy to it. Ozil is wonderful player but Arsenal so badly needed a holding CM, a CB, two full backs and a striker. West Ham seem disappointed with their squad and whilst Bruce has signed some decent players to make Hull solid, you can't really see where the goals will come from.

 

As for Sunderland, Di Canio seems to be repeating his Swindon experiment and their board had also better be prepeared to pay up a lot of unwanted players contracts just as Swindon's have had to. Can see him gone by October to be honest. Whilst I don't like Odemwinge, he'll score goals for Cardiff and Mackay has done some great business, they'll stay up no problem.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Why has puncheon been elevated to hero status on here?

 

He really isn't that great.

[Toon Saint]

Bit confused by people grading us an A. Surely A would be absolutely perfect yet most believe we still have some weaknesses so how can you say we have had a perfect Window?

 

A*?

[DuncanRG]

I doubt Puncheon would have played too many minutes even if he'd stayed, Pochettino just doesn't seem to fancy him nearly as much as Adkins did. It may be that the manager sees Lloyd Isgrove as capable of filling his boots out wide if need be.

[Baird of the land]

Largely happy. We've signed 3 quality players that have improved our squad. Little bit disappointed both Mayuka & Puncheon have gone and no one else pacey has come in.

[hypochondriac]

Why has puncheon been elevated to hero status on here?

 

He really isn't that great.

 

He isn't a hero but he scored a lot of useful goals last year and offered something different often off the bench. We don't really have that in the squad now.

[angelman]

Who's cheaper?

 

Depends who for.

 

Lukaku cost Chelsea £19.4m two years ago.

Loan fee is apparently reported at £3,080,000

Osvaldo has all sorts of figures attached to him, but let's use £13.288m for a 4 year deal, maybe rising to say £15m.

 

So the annual cost of Osvaldo is about the same as the one year cost of Lukaku for Everton. Wages - who knows?

 

All in all, seems rather expensive for Chelsea, but then I guess if he signed a 6 year contract, the loan fee pays for it pro rata so in fact it might not be that expensive for them after all.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I doubt Puncheon would have got too many minutes even if he'd stayed, Pochettino just doesn't seem to fancy him nearly as much as Adkins did. It may be that he sees Lloyd Isgrove as capable of filling his boots out wide if need be.

 

I just don't get it.

 

He had a bit of pace, but often just ran head down and into blind alleys. He was also really slow to move the ball on, often turning back on himself and taking ten extra touches before he made a pass - usually undoing any good his pace had done.

 

Once again, hardly had a whole host of prem clubs banging the door down for his signature.

[alpine_saint]

Guys/Mods

 

We currently have around 10 Billy Sharp threads dating back 12 months

 

Can you PLEASE move across there with this stuff.

 

Erm, no. Not if it is relevant to the thread discussion.

 

This site is a piece of work sometimes. It seems a lot of you just want everybody to repeat the same opinion, only in the individuals words. Some of you seem to have a problem with the concept of debate, differing opinions, flow of discussion, etc. That is really strange..........

 

So, taking this thread for example, rather than a "serious transfer window review", it should be "give your reasons why this window was f**king great and deserves an 'A'". And we already have a thread saying "this was the best EVER window" (note the statement of fact, again discussion is not invited).

 

Have a word with yourselves, chaps.

[DuncanRG]

Bear in mind that Rodriguez is likely to be an option off the bench now.

 

I just don't get it.

 

He had a bit of pace, but often just ran head down and into blind alleys. He was also really slow to move the ball on, often turning back on himself and taking ten extra touches before he made a pass - usually undoing any good his pace had done.

 

Once again, hardly had a whole host of prem clubs banging the door down for his signature.

 

He was useful, but indeed. Doesn't start to overshadow the great work we've done in almost every other department.

[buctootim]

Why has puncheon been elevated to hero status on here?

 

He really isn't that great.

 

Hes not that great but he was our second highest goal scorer last season. A midfield of Lallana, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Wanyama and JWP have goal scoring averages of 1 goal every two games between them. Add that to playing a lone striker and it isnt hard to do the maths.

[Minsk]

The football league may well be where he is now heading - not because of his talent or desire, but because SFC made it that way.

 

3 premiership clubs wanted him, one made a formal bid (our asking price) yet the club said no.

 

Perhaps Billy has done something to seriously **** of NC and Mopo? Cant think why else you'd treat a player so badly?

 

Which three premiership clubs? Which one made the bid?

 

What was the bid/our asking price? Why didn't they come back 'with an offer we couldn't refuse'?

 

Where are the links, with direct quotes, to back up your claims?

[alpine_saint]

Which three premiership clubs? Which one made the bid?

 

What was the bid/our asking price? Why didn't they come back 'with an offer we couldn't refuse'?

 

Where are the links, with direct quotes, to back up your claims?

 

Lol at the crown court behaviour when someone says something negative, yet the Clappies can say what they like....

[BadgerBadger]

Good on paper but I'm keeping an open mind until Xmas once they've all had some decent game time together

[KelvinsRightGlove]

He isn't a hero but he scored a lot of useful goals last year and offered something different often off the bench. We don't really have that in the squad now.

 

He scored one more than Gaston Ramirez, who was an abject failure according to most on here. And also created 2 less.

 

Yet one is utterly useless and should be hounded out the club, the other is a massive loss to the club.

 

Am I the only one that struggles to see how people's reasoning works around here?

 

Yes Puncheon dribbled on the ball a bit more than some of our other players, but he was not THAT effective at doing so. His inefficiency at decision making ultimately slowed him down, by the time he had done all his unnecessary extra turns and drag backs, he had undone any territory he gained by running.

 

Headless chicken. Reminded me of Fabrice at times.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Lol at the crown court behaviour when someone says something negative, yet the Clappies can say what they like....

 

I too am interested to know where this has come from?

 

I have only seen Glasgow post this, any where.

 

If he is willing to show where he gained this insight from, then fair enough. Considering he likes to make things up from time-to-time, I will take this with a pinch of salt for the time being.

 

Some of us like to base our opinions on facts and reality.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Erm, no. Not if it is relevant to the thread discussion.

 

This site is a piece of work sometimes. It seems a lot of you just want everybody to repeat the same opinion, only in the individuals words. Some of you seem to have a problem with the concept of debate, differing opinions, flow of discussion, etc. That is really strange..........

 

So, taking this thread for example, rather than a "serious transfer window review", it should be "give your reasons why this window was f**king great and deserves an 'A'". And we already have a thread saying "this was the best EVER window" (note the statement of fact, again discussion is not invited).

 

Have a word with yourselves, chaps.

 

You are a parody of yourself.

 

You know you are equally as guilty of all of these things yourself.

 

What did you compare us to again Alps? A B&B was it? Where was the invitation for discussion there, or in any of your threads or posts for that matter?

 

Edit: Just seen this thread - you mean the one started by the notorious Mr. Super-Serious-Never-Sarcastic-Glasgow-Saint?

 

2nd Edit: Just read the thread, and you comment on said thread that it is a trolling thread. Really?

Edited 3 September, 2013 by KelvinsRightGlove

[DuncanRG]

He scored one more than Gaston Ramirez, who was an abject failure according to most on here. And also created 2 less.

 

Yet one is utterly useless and should be hounded out the club, the other is a massive loss to the club.

 

Am I the only one that struggles to see how people's reasoning works around here?

 

In short, Puncheon is English and didn't cost much money.

[Gemmel]

Lol at the crown court behaviour when someone says something negative, yet the Clappies can say what they like....

 

I'm certainly no "clappie" alpine, but I can't see what the club have done wrong. I would even add that I thought Sharp deserved a chance, but it seems MP doesn't. Nothing wrong with that and he is the manager after all. Couple that with the fact he couldn't hold down a place at Forest, it suggests MP might be right.

 

As for offloading him, this is everything the Club said it would be. The deals will be done when it and they are right for Southampton and to date, they quite obviously haven't been. It could be down to the fact that Sharp wont put it a formal transfer request to forego his signing on fee and settlement. It might be that he simply won't drop his wages and that he is the problem in all of this.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

In short, Puncheon is English and didn't cost much money.

 

Ah yes, what was the phrase that kept cropping up this summer? Carlos Kickball.

 

Don't sign that Damiao bloke, much better have a good solid Englishman. Should have signed Darren Bent.

 

[Joensuu]

Lol at the crown court behaviour when someone says something negative, yet the Clappies can say what they like....

 

To be fair, Glasgow's claims reek of BS. What's up with you today anyhow Alps - you've had an excellent couple of weeks by your standards, and seem to have got out of the wrong side of bed this morning. Last week you were so much better.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I'm certainly no "clappie" alpine, but I can't see what the club have done wrong. I would even add that I thought Sharp deserved a chance, but it seems MP doesn't. Nothing wrong with that and he is the manager after all. Couple that with the fact he couldn't hold down a place at Forest, it suggests MP might be right.

 

Played 39 games for Nottingham Forest, was a fans favourite and top goal scorer!! and I get accused of making stuff up

[alpine_saint]

To be fair, Glasgow's claims reek of BS. What's up with you today anyhow Alps - you've had an excellent couple of weeks by your standards, and seem to have got out of the wrong side of bed this morning. Last week you were so much better.

 

The Norwich game ?

 

How can a team spend so much money and play so bad ???

[KelvinsRightGlove]

The Norwich game ?

 

How can a team spend so much money and play so bad ???

 

Did you see Spurs on Sunday?

 

Or City, Liverpool, Chelsea against us last season?

 

Plus Norwich spent a fair bit themselves.

 

We were rubbish, no doubt, but it isn't the end of the world.

[Gemmel]

Played 39 games for Nottingham Forest, was a fans favourite and top goal scorer!! and I get accused of making stuff up

 

Happy to be proved wrong if that is the case, but seem to remember a run of games when he was on the bench. I thought it was for a while, if it wasn't, then - as I say, happy to be wrong.

[S-Clarke]

It's been a pretty good window all being told, although as other's have mentioned our failure to replace Puncheon or even add to that area is somewhat frustrating.

 

But I'd disagree with the view that only Lovren was a signing we needed. All 3 were needed.

 

Last season it was clear to me that we lacked physical presence through the middle of the park. Technically Cork and Morgan were great, there's no denying that, but there were some games where they were overpowered and we didn't have an equivalent type of player to throw on to counteract that. WBA away last year springs to mind (Mulumbu), and also Diame at WHU. We never got to grips with the midfield area in those 2 games and the 2 powerful midfielders they had, kind of dominated. Wanyama will give us that option and will allow us to offer an equivalent in those sort of games, we've already seen in the WBA game that Wanyama bossed Mulumbu...so that's a good start.

 

We also needed another striker. We relied way too heavily on Lambert for goals and we never really had anyone that could share the load. Jay is still a little too inconsistent and isn't going to be a regular goal scorer at this level just yet, so we only had Rickie.....Buying Osvaldo gives us real pedigree up top and takes the pressure away from some of the other lads. It may take time for us to work out the best way to integrate him, but he's a good signing and one we needed without question.

 

Obviously you can't really argue against Lovren. A new CB was required and we got that over the line ages ago. He's an absolute class act as well.

 

What we've done is just strengthened the spine of the team with 3 European level players, and we will see the benefits of that as the season goes on. We can be a bit frustrating to watch in terms of our predictability, but i think there are goals in us and there's still the potential for us to have a pretty good season.

 

Put it this way, 5 seasons ago we couldn't buy anyone. If we did, it was a free transfer player that another club didn't want. Now we're in a position whereby we can keep the players we want to keep and buy the players we want to buy. I think we're as strong as we ever have been, so let's just allow time for the new players to integrate in before writing them off.

[buctootim]

In short, Puncheon is English and didn't cost much money.

 

do you not expect more from a £13m player than a £1m one then?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Do they DPS? Please explain

 

What's DPS? Deep Position Striker?

 

Lukaku relies on pace and power, and little finness, similar to Drogba, Benteke etc. Osvaldo relies on movement of the player, small one two's and arriving later onto the ball. They really aren't comparable in that way.

Edited 3 September, 2013 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Olallana]

Ah yes, what was the phrase that kept cropping up this summer? Carlos Kickball.

 

Don't sign that Damiao bloke, much better have a good solid Englishman. Should have signed Darren Bent.

 

 

Should´ve also signed Lee Cattermole for midfield and Titus Bramble for defense....

[Olallana]

He scored one more than Gaston Ramirez, who was an abject failure according to most on here. And also created 2 less.

 

Yet one is utterly useless and should be hounded out the club, the other is a massive loss to the club.

 

Am I the only one that struggles to see how people's reasoning works around here?

 

Yes Puncheon dribbled on the ball a bit more than some of our other players, but he was not THAT effective at doing so. His inefficiency at decision making ultimately slowed him down, by the time he had done all his unnecessary extra turns and drag backs, he had undone any territory he gained by running.

 

Headless chicken. Reminded me of Fabrice at times.

 

+1!

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Played 39 games for Nottingham Forest, was a fans favourite and top goal scorer!! and I get accused of making stuff up

 

Where did you get 39? I can only see 30 in the places I have looked.

 

He was top scorer with 10 goals. That is still hardly setting the league alight.

 

Serious question - if it was not Billy Sharp - and we were talking about a 27 year old striker that had just scored 10 League goals last season, would people still be clamouring for his inclusion in the squad in the same way?

[DuncanRG]

do you not expect more from a £13m player than a £1m one then?

 

To an extent, though it's rather more complicated than that. I'm not as concerned as the club over who performs best, so long as somebody does.

 

I just wonder how different the reactions would have been had Ramirez gone out.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

do you not expect more from a £13m player than a £1m one then?

 

Goals & Assits combined Gaston provided more in less games.

[buctootim]

It's been a pretty good window all being told, although as other's have mentioned our failure to replace Puncheon or even add to that area is somewhat frustrating.

 

But I'd disagree with the view that only Lovren was a signing we needed. All 3 were needed.

 

Last season it was clear to me that we lacked physical presence through the middle of the park. Technically Cork and Morgan were great, there's no denying that, but there were some games where they were overpowered and we didn't have an equivalent type of player to throw on to counteract that. WBA away last year springs to mind (Mulumbu), and also Diame at WHU. We never got to grips with the midfield area in those 2 games and the 2 powerful midfielders they had, kind of dominated. Wanyama will give us that option and will allow us to offer an equivalent in those sort of games, we've already seen in the WBA game that Wanyama bossed Mulumbu...so that's a good start.

 

We also needed another striker. We relied way too heavily on Lambert for goals and we never really had anyone that could share the load. Jay is still a little too inconsistent and isn't going to be a regular goal scorer at this level just yet, so we only had Rickie.....Buying Osvaldo gives us real pedigree up top and takes the pressure away from some of the other lads. It may take time for us to work out the best way to integrate him, but he's a good signing and one we needed without question.

 

Obviously you can't really argue against Lovren. A new CB was required and we got that over the line ages ago. He's an absolute class act as well.

 

What we've done is just strengthened the spine of the team with 3 European level players, and we will see the benefits of that as the season goes on. We can be a bit frustrating to watch in terms of our predictability, but i think there are goals in us and there's still the potential for us to have a pretty good season.

 

Put it this way, 5 seasons ago we couldn't buy anyone. If we did, it was a free transfer player that another club didn't want. Now we're in a position whereby we can keep the players we want to keep and buy the players we want to buy. I think we're as strong as we ever have been, so let's just allow time for the new players to integrate in before writing them off.

 

Agree with nearly all of that. I think we've signed three very good good players who have added to the depth and quality, although we've paid over the odds for Wanyama and a wide player was more needed (yeah yeah we dont play with wingers, no-one said wingers before the ****s start). My problem is not with the signings - its the tactics, team selections and man management.

[Gemmel]

Played 39 games for Nottingham Forest, was a fans favourite and top goal scorer!! and I get accused of making stuff up

 

25% of his appearances from the bench - I stand by my statement - He couldn't hold down a first team place. 10 goals in 39 matches, is not the return from a championship player looking to break into a Premiership team, who are looking for a top half finish.

 

That said I liked him as a player and thought he probably should have had a chance. It didn't happen and now if someone wants to buy him, it will be on our terms.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Is there anyway to choose people who can view a thread? Just so that proper football discussions can be had without some people playing oneupmanship and showing off to their mates?

[buctootim]

Goals & Assits combined Gaston provided more in less games.

 

Thats because he took free kicks. Puncheon didnt.

[Glasgow_Saint]

25% of his appearances from the bench - I stand by my statement - He couldn't hold down a first team place. 10 goals in 39 matches, is not the return from a championship player looking to break into a Premiership team, who are looking for a top half finish.

 

That said I liked him as a player and thought he probably should have had a chance. It didn't happen and now if someone wants to buy him, it will be on our terms.

 

11 goals in 31 according to Wiki. if 25% of this 31 was also from the bench then thats a pretty good scoring record?? no

 

Think he also missed a few through injury

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Thats because he took free kicks. Puncheon didnt.

 

Do goals and assists count less from set pieces?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Is there anyway to choose people who can view a thread? Just so that proper football discussions can be had without some people playing oneupmanship and showing off to their mates?

 

football is being discussed? I cant see any discussion about 1D or Eastenders??

 

by proper discussion do you mean a thread where everyone simply just agrees with you and pats you on the back?

 

Unbelievable Jeff

Edited 3 September, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint

[DuncanRG]

Thats because he took free kicks. Puncheon didnt.

 

Well, okay. Why didn't Puncheon take free kicks?

 

Anyway, this shouldn't be about whether Ramirez is better than Puncheon, it's about the fact that the two are not worlds apart in terms of contribution last season but that's not really reflected in our attitudes towards them.

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Edited 3 September, 2013 by buctootim