A serious transfer window review thread...

[Unbelievable Jeff]

for people that actually want to discuss football and not point scoring or the like.

 

Rate our business based on players signed, players moved out and timeliness.

 

Overall, I give us a B minus.

 

Players signed – B+, look to have solidified our defence, although still missing the all-important pace option (attacking mid/winger) we needed.

 

Timeliness – D, was good for Lovren and Wanyama, but was poor for Osvaldo. We needed him in prior to pre-season so that we could figure out a way to play him and Lambert at the same time. Unfortunately that hasn’t happened, and has culminated in the up mess we saw at Norwich. We needed to hit the floor running and take advantage of our early season ‘easier’ matches. Shame, as we’ll suffer for this as the transition takes place.

 

Players moved out – B+, got rid of a lot of ‘dead wood’ (don’t like calling them that as they have all played an important part for us in our rise up the Leagues) and wages. This raises the problems above the C watermark.

 

What does everyone else think?

[dubai_phil]

In reality?

 

After the 15 or so years of nightmares leding up to Admin & ML?

 

Our best ever Window.

 

Simply because just for once, we did NOT have to worry about losing a Star Player.

 

The ONLY real rumour/concern came at the end with the worry about Jack Cork. It has been a LONG time since we have KEPT our best players in a Transfer Window.

 

I 4-1 can fully understand why we did NOT get FB cover in, but I am nervous about that (especially after Saturday)

We got an International Striker in, we got the DM cover we REALLY needed (see start of last season with no Cork as evidence m'Lud)

 

I am HAPPY we got rid of Puncheon. (For reasons I have posted many times) Mayuka has potential but is immature so a loan is good.

 

I would have liked a Loan Wide player with pace (Lennon/Moses) but would NOT have liked a permanent signing as I think that would have blocked the progress & opptys for Isgrove/Rowe/Sinclair to get 10/15mins of game time and develop during this season)

 

So yeah I'd give it a B+

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

I think I'd rather have taken Lukaku & Barry on loan than paid the ridiculous sums we coughed up for Wanyama and Osvaldo.

Got to hand it to Everton. They offloaded Anichebe for £6m - One of the worst strikers I've seen in the premiership and had Utd's pants down with Fellani. They then landed Lukaku, one of the most impressive players in the prem last season and brought in some quality in McCarthy and Barry.

 

Lukaku & Barry on loan or Wanyama & Osvaldo for close to €30m. I know which I'd rather have had.

[Saint Charlie]

I think that is very harsh.

 

We have signed three players to enhance our first team, two having broken transfer records.

 

All three are first team starters. Not many other teams have done that.

 

In addition, we didnt lose any of our best players like other teams did. None. In fact, we signed a couple on long deals that most outside of the club thought would leave, Shaw in particular.

 

Got rid of most of the deadwood.

 

Only area we might be slightly weaker is attacking wise, but before Jan it would need an almighty injury crisis to be a problem, and thats the same for all teams.

 

We are now miles less reliant on Lambert than last year, to the point where people suggest we drop him. Plus have signed a CB that early signs suggest looks excellent.

 

A- for me. Can only see Spurs and Liverpool that added more strength relative to the size of club etc.

 

Nods to Everton & Swansea, whilst WHU and Newcastle had awful windows. Sunderland just bizarre.

[Saint Charlie]

I think I'd rather have taken Lukaku & Barry on loan than paid the ridiculous sums we coughed up for Wanyama and Osvaldo.

Got to hand it to Everton. They offloaded Anichebe for £6m - One of the worst strikers I've seen in the premiership and had Utd's pants down with Fellani. They then landed Lukaku, one of the most impressive players in the prem last season and brought in some quality in McCarthy and Barry.

 

Lukaku & Barry on loan or Wanyama & Osvaldo for close to €30m. I know which I'd rather have had.

 

Remember Everton will just have the same problem next season that WBA did where they can't replace Lukaku.

 

As for Barry...he will still be on big money and is over the hill. Wanyama for me, excellent vs WBA and Sunderland.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I think that is very harsh.

 

We have signed three players to enhance our first team, two having broken transfer records.

 

All three are first team starters. Not many other teams have done that.

 

In addition, we didnt lose any of our best players like other teams did. None. In fact, we signed a couple on long deals that most outside of the club thought would leave, Shaw in particular.

 

Got rid of most of the deadwood.

 

Only area we might be slightly weaker is attacking wise, but before Jan it would need an almighty injury crisis to be a problem, and thats the same for all teams.

 

We are now miles less reliant on Lambert than last year, to the point where people suggest we drop him. Plus have signed a CB that early signs suggest looks excellent.

 

A- for me. Can only see Spurs and Liverpool that added more strength relative to the size of club etc.

 

Nods to Everton & Swansea, whilst WHU and Newcastle had awful windows. Sunderland just bizarre.

 

For me it would have been an A if we'd have got Osvaldo in time to take advantage of our first 3 games and if we'd have signed a winger (something I felt we needed even prior to loaning on Mayuka and Puncheon).

[lifeintheslowlane]

 

Timeliness – D, was good for Lovren and Wanyama, but was poor for Osvaldo.

 

 

Timeliness is quite often out of the clubs hands so I think you're being a little harsh on the Osvaldo signing.

 

It was the player who was dragging his feet over signing and of course only natural for a player going into a crucial season. Osvaldo had a lot to think about in making his decision and a lower than people would imagine issue, would have been money. It seems we came to an agreed fee with Roma reasonably early and in all likelihood we were offering an attractive package to the player. So why was Osvaldo dragging his feet...waiting to see if a higher profile club (CL/Europa L) would step up and match our bid...only natural.

 

In our favour we had a manager Osvaldo was familiar with and a squad of players that maybe wouldn't give him as much competition for a starting place on the field. One thing an International player doesn't want in the run-up to a World Cup Competition is time on the bench...he finally accepted he was likely to get more time on the pitch at Saints.

 

I don't think we could have handled it any differently...he signed for whatever reason.

 

Overall: A from me.

Edited 3 September, 2013 by lifeintheslowlane

[sussexsaint]

From league 1 to signing Osvaldo in next to no time, its been a phenominal rise. The 3 signings we made all have huge potential and 2 have already looked exceptionally good in the team. As others have said VW at the weekend didn't have the fullbacks to pass to.

We now have quality all over the squad and decent cover.

We also have a good number of exciting young talent coming through. Not sure what happens in 'off season' last year Shaw came to the fore and this year its JWP.

I think its been good , sensible window. We will strengthen in January if and where we need to I'm sure

[Saint Garrett]

Will copy my post from TDD thread......

 

 

 

Absolutely superb window. Kept our best players and added in 3 top players. Squad is stronger. Now it's Pochettino's time to shine to get the best out of this hugely talented squad.

 

GK: Boruc, Davis, Gazza

 

RB: Clyne, Chambers

LB: Shaw, Fox

CB: Lovren, Yoshi, Fonte, Jos

 

DM: Wanyama, Morgan, Cork, (JWP, Davis)

AM: J-Rod, Lallana, JWP, Davis, Gaston, Isgrove, Guly,

 

ST: Lambert, Osvaldo, (J-Rod)

 

That's enough good options and a highly talented and young squad. Good balance of British/Foreign/Young/Experience, just need to find the right "team" rather than just trying to shoehorn the best players into the starting 11.

 

COYS.

[Bucks Saint]

Very happy with the outcome overall, would have been better with a Puncheon replacement or some pace, but thats being greedy.

[alpine_saint]

for people that actually want to discuss football and not point scoring or the like.

 

Rate our business based on players signed, players moved out and timeliness.

 

Overall, I give us a B minus.

 

Players signed – B+, look to have solidified our defence, although still missing the all-important pace option (attacking mid/winger) we needed.

 

Timeliness – D, was good for Lovren and Wanyama, but was poor for Osvaldo. We needed him in prior to pre-season so that we could figure out a way to play him and Lambert at the same time. Unfortunately that hasn’t happened, and has culminated in the up mess we saw at Norwich. We needed to hit the floor running and take advantage of our early season ‘easier’ matches. Shame, as we’ll suffer for this as the transition takes place.

 

Players moved out – B+, got rid of a lot of ‘dead wood’ (don’t like calling them that as they have all played an important part for us in our rise up the Leagues) and wages. This raises the problems above the C watermark.

 

What does everyone else think?

 

Sort of agree, generally..

 

I would put players signed as B - due to Ramirez's failure to make a big impact last season, and the rumours that Osvaldo turned us down twice, I am concerned that our expensive talismanic foreign transfer isnt going to click. I am also concerned that the disruption to the Morgan/Corky understanding, which for me is as important as Claus/Killer was, caused by VWs introduction, may turn out to be more than what he offers us in terms of midfield improvement.

 

Players moved out - C. We've jerked Billy about, who now faces 4 months without a game, and we've left ourselves short up front and even worse off for pace and width by getting rid of Puncheon and Mayuka.

[alpine_saint]

Very happy with the outcome overall, would have been better with a Puncheon replacement or some pace, but thats being greedy.

 

Not being greedy if we've left ourselves unable to unlock defences or score goals.

[Turkish]

Not being greedy if we've left ourselves unable to unlock defences or score goals.

 

i think thats more due to how we play rather than the players, we didn't seem to have a problem scoring goals this time last season, or even in MP's early days. His teams seem to be based around hard work than creativity, which is fine away from home but not so good when teams come to SMS and sit deep. In fact, if we persist with this against the lesser teams at home it will be a complete waste of the talent we have available up front.

[goneawol]

 

Players moved out - C. We've jerked Billy about, who now faces 4 months without a game, and we've left ourselves short up front and even worse off for pace and width by getting rid of Puncheon and Mayuka.

 

Have we? No he doesn't.

[trousers]

I've no idea. Will get back to you in January.

[alpine_saint]

Have we? No he doesn't.

 

Several suggestions going round we've been difficult about letting him go.

 

He still with us, not in our PL squad, so cant play.

[Joensuu]

A- for me.

 

Players in A. We've purchased three excellent players. All three will put in superb shifts for us I'm sure. Dejan looks a clear step up in quality. Daniel looks hungry, and I'm sure is only a matter of a few games and a bit of understanding between the front four away from scoring on a regular basis. Victor looks solid (I do have some slight concerns about his pace and distribution though, and wouldn't be surprised to see Cork given some game time soon).

 

Players out A-. Reduced our squad size substantially, allowed a lot of players to move on. Only slight negative here is that we still have 3 or 4 players whom I'd like to have seen moved on if possible.

 

Timeliness A-​. I'm not really concerned when we bring in players, just that we buy the players we want to and aren't forced to make rash decisions. All our business this year was done and dusted with a fortnight of the window to spare.

 

Overall a superb window; not perfect, but certainly not easy to improve upon.

 

[NickG]

I think I'd rather have taken Lukaku & Barry on loan than paid the ridiculous sums we coughed up for Wanyama and Osvaldo.

Got to hand it to Everton. They offloaded Anichebe for £6m - One of the worst strikers I've seen in the premiership and had Utd's pants down with Fellani. They then landed Lukaku, one of the most impressive players in the prem last season and brought in some quality in McCarthy and Barry.

 

Lukaku & Barry on loan or Wanyama & Osvaldo for close to €30m. I know which I'd rather have had.

 

What loan fees are they paying?

 

Lukaku will surely have cost them a couple of million for a season loan?

 

At end of the season they will need replacing (and no fees coming in). We will still have Osvaldo and VW - or maybe even selling for a profit.

 

Transfer fees aren't just money spent, they are investment as well

[alpine_saint]

A- for me.

 

Players in A. We've purchased three excellent players. All three will put in superb shifts for us I'm sure. Dejan looks a clear step up in quality. Daniel looks hungry, and I'm sure is only a matter of a few games and a bit of understanding between the front four away from scoring on a regular basis. Victor looks solid (I do have some slight concerns about his pace and distribution though, and wouldn't be surprised to see Cork given some game time soon).

 

Players out A-. Reduced our squad size substantially, allowed a lot of players to move on. Only slight negative here is that we still have 3 or 4 players whom I'd like to have seen moved on if possible.

 

Timeliness A-​. I'm not really concerned when we bring in players, just that we buy the players we want to and aren't forced to make rash decisions. All our business this year was done and dusted with a fortnight of the window to spare.

 

Overall a superb window; not perfect, but certainly not easy to improve upon.

 

 

I bet you like the kit too.....

[Joensuu]

I bet you like the kit too.....

 

No, I'd rate the kit an F. I think it's a weak, half-hearted effort, but really not something that concerns me overly as I was never in the market to buy one.

[Glasgow_Saint]

A- for me.

 

not perfect

 

surely A would be perfect?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Several suggestions going round we've been difficult about letting him go.

 

He still with us, not in our PL squad, so cant play.

 

Who's suggested that?

[influx]

I bet you like the kit too.....

 

You doing a face palm is like Hitler tutting at someone swearing.

[SaintBobby]

Pretty excellent all round. Most pleasing thing for me is we've retained all the players we wanted to retain, apparently effortlessly.

 

Potential downsides:

 

1. We've invested all of our cash in 3 players, if any of them flop, that's going to stand out big time. So far though, I'd say all three look promising, with Lovren almost looking "proven".

2. Not a great deal of squad depth - I think we can name 25 players for the league (excluding under-21s?) and am not sure we really have 25 players worth listing, maybe only 22 or 23.

3. Strange to let Puncheon go and not replace him with a like-for-like player. No obvious blistering pace up front and signing such a player would have completed the set for me.

 

All in all, though, reasons to be cheerful. Probably B+.

[saint si]

Several suggestions going round we've been difficult about letting him go.

 

He still with us, not in our PL squad, so cant play.

 

Can he still go on loan to championship when the loan window opens... ?

[Smirking_Saint]

Alpine, do you really have to try to derail every thread ?

[Barry Sanchez]

I think I'd rather have taken Lukaku & Barry on loan than paid the ridiculous sums we coughed up for Wanyama and Osvaldo.

Got to hand it to Everton. They offloaded Anichebe for £6m - One of the worst strikers I've seen in the premiership and had Utd's pants down with Fellani. They then landed Lukaku, one of the most impressive players in the prem last season and brought in some quality in McCarthy and Barry.

 

Lukaku & Barry on loan or Wanyama & Osvaldo for close to €30m. I know which I'd rather have had.[/quote

 

 

 

I fully agree.

[moonraker]

"We've jerked Billy about, who now faces 4 months without a game"

 

Is the loan window for Football League clubs closed? I didn't think it was. The Championship is where Billy is headed.

[tajjuk]

Not sure how anyone can moan, maybe we expect too much.

 

We've signed two players in Osvaldo and Lovren that fans of other clubs laughed off our interest in. Wanyama looks quality as well and I only thought we had a good chance signing him because of the league he was in.

 

We've bought 3 quality players, increased the quality of the team, integrated 2 more young players in the team which has reduced the need for buying old expensive squad players and we've signed our best players to long term deals.

 

We lost an average away game to a team that are very difficult to beat at home, in a game either team could have won. We played a bit below par maybe, but I'm not sure how that one game dampens our transfer window?

 

Also we have 4 points from 3 games, two of which have been away. Realistically we would have been very pleased with 5 points from those 3 games.

 

In comparison to other teams we've gotten our top targets, something Arsenal, Chelsea, and Man Utd have struggled to do.

 

Compared to our mid table rivals, only arguments could be made for maybe Everton (loan signings though and lost their best player), Swansea and Norwich having a better window than us.

 

Teams like West Ham, Newcastle, WBA, Stoke have also had very poor transfer windows IMO.

[JackFrost]

Been pretty good I think. Some quality signings and kept hold of Shaw, Cork etc.

 

Compare it with say Sunderland who have replaced Stephane Sessegnon with Fabio Borini and I feel rather pleased with it all

[Lighthouse]

A decent window as far as I'm concerned. Kept everyone we wanted to keep, signed 3 decent players, got rid of a lot of players who aren't needed. Would have liked a bit more pace and creativity in midfield and it does sound like we at least tried.

 

B+ from me.

[alpine_saint]

So at the very least we've prevented Billy from pursuing his PL dream for 2 seasons.

 

I simply dont like the way we've treated him, and now the reason he was shoved out the door last season has been shoved out the door himself.

[SaintBobby]

I think I'd rather have taken Lukaku & Barry on loan than paid the ridiculous sums we coughed up for Wanyama and Osvaldo.

Got to hand it to Everton. They offloaded Anichebe for £6m - One of the worst strikers I've seen in the premiership and had Utd's pants down with Fellani. They then landed Lukaku, one of the most impressive players in the prem last season and brought in some quality in McCarthy and Barry.

 

Lukaku & Barry on loan or Wanyama & Osvaldo for close to €30m. I know which I'd rather have had.[/quote

 

 

 

I fully agree.

 

I think, on balance, I'd prefer to have Osvaldo and Wanyama for £27m than Barry and Lukaku on loan. But it's a close run thing.

 

Of course, Lukaku and Barry aren't "free" - I don't know how their enormous wages are being paid (SSN said Barry was on £120K a week). But with wages and loan fees, Everton may well be paying £5m or £6m more than the "running costs" of Osvaldo and Wanyama over the season and will have nothing to sell on at the end of it.

 

So, I think the real numbers are Osvaldo and Wanyama on permanent deals and a net cost of about £22m or Barry and Lukaku. Even if Osvaldo and Wanyama flop pretty badly, I think we'd be able to recoup a fairly big chunk of the £22m.

 

In any event, it's not obvious to me that Lukaku or Barry would have seriously entertained the idea of coming to SMS.

[Colinjb]

The best transfer window i've ever known as a fan, not perfect, but the best.

 

Players in: Three players all signed who improve the options, depth and quality in the spine of the team. A player with international experience with Croatia (no mugs...) and Champions League experience with Lyon who has immediately settled and also looks to be bringing the best out of his defensive partner. A key player from the scottish champions (yes... yes, I know...) who excelled in the CL. And a player with several caps for Italy as a striker. I felt we needed evolution not revolution, that's exactly what we received. Was it value for money? That's the only question.

 

A

 

Players out: All youth stars retained, all key men retained. Puncheon leaving was a pity yet I understand there was more to that then meets the eye. Puncheon was important in a few games last year with some notable goals v Reading, Sunderland and QPR even if he wasn't one of the first names on the team sheet. He will be missed.

 

B

 

Timing: Not something we can always control but Lovren came in early, Wanyama had time to settle and only Osvaldo was a late one as he had to be 'sold' on us. No last day melt down occured, satisfying.

 

A-

 

Overall: A-

 

Perfection is an admirable aim.... but you will never get it. It was however one departure away.

Edited 3 September, 2013 by Colinjb

[alpine_saint]

Alpine, do you really have to try to derail every thread ?

 

Bizarre. I gave my opinion.

 

This thread is being derailled by those of you who cant handle it and want to take your ball home.

[Colinjb]

Bizarre. I gave my opinion.

 

This thread is being derailled by those of you who cant handle it and want to take your ball home.

 

We get your opinion (jesus christ you can't miss it!!!), a lot of others disagree. If that makes you feel the need to keep typing that's your problem my friend.

[Smirking_Saint]

So at the very least we've prevented Billy from pursuing his PL dream for 2 seasons.

 

I simply dont like the way we've treated him, and now the reason he was shoved out the door last season has been shoved out the door himself.

 

How have we stopped him persueing his premier league dream exactly ? Or have you been sucked in by Glasgows bullcrapping that we blocked prem moves ?

 

The only clubs that have come in for him are bottom of the championship and we have said we want his wages paid in any loan, and I fully expect he expects his wages matched from any permanant deal.

 

Either way, Im not massively bothered by Billy ****ing sharp

[Barry Sanchez]

 

I think, on balance, I'd prefer to have Osvaldo and Wanyama for £27m than Barry and Lukaku on loan. But it's a close run thing.

 

Of course, Lukaku and Barry aren't "free" - I don't know how their enormous wages are being paid (SSN said Barry was on £120K a week). But with wages and loan fees, Everton may well be paying £5m or £6m more than the "running costs" of Osvaldo and Wanyama over the season and will have nothing to sell on at the end of it.

 

So, I think the real numbers are Osvaldo and Wanyama on permanent deals and a net cost of about £22m or Barry and Lukaku. Even if Osvaldo and Wanyama flop pretty badly, I think we'd be able to recoup a fairly big chunk of the £22m.

 

In any event, it's not obvious to me that Lukaku or Barry would have seriously entertained the idea of coming to SMS.

 

 

We will never know but it's similar in a way to people saying this is the best window and its only been closed for 11 and a half hours, it will be a good transfer window if the players work if they don't it would have a bad seaon, people are biased when they say give Ramirez time and yet this window is already a nailed on success, childlike want and need.

[Whitey Grandad]

How have we stopped him persueing his premier league dream exactly ? Or have you been sucked in by Glasgows bullcrapping that we blocked prem moves ?

 

The only clubs that have come in for him are bottom of the championship and we have said we want his wages paid in any loan, and I fully expect he expects his wages matched from any permanant deal.

 

Either way, Im not massively bothered by Billy ****ing sharp

 

We used him and he used us - that's professional football.

[Smirking_Saint]

Bizarre. I gave my opinion.

 

This thread is being derailled by those of you who cant handle it and want to take your ball home.

 

People have popped on and given their opinions, you have basically replied to anyone saying we have had a good window with the same tired old crap, thankfully people are starting to realise it now.

 

Dont take this post as the fact that Im engaging your trolling BTW as I wont be getting in an arguement with you

 

Besides, cant handle what ? If anyone of us struggles to handle anything its you and a bit of optimism

[alpine_saint]

Either way, Im not massively bothered by Billy ****ing sharp

 

Nice. What a lovely attitude towards the bloke who pushed us over the finish line to the PL, and without whom we wouldnt have been in a position to the sign the players who you are w*nking over.

[View From The Top]

Not only have we made 3 excellent signings we've kept the talent we already had.

 

Best transfer window we've ever had although I would have like to see pace purchased but I've been saying that for ages. A-

 

Everton had done some tremendous business IMHO.

[Lighthouse]

Well, that's another thread ruined. Best part of a decade and people still haven't figured it out.

 

ALPINE IS A TROLL

 

He will say absolutely ANYTHING if it gets him some attention. ANYTHING. It doesn't have to make sense, if it is wrong more people will argue with him.

 

How hard is it just to NOT reply to his posts and put him on ignore? Gordon Bennett...

[Smirking_Saint]

Nice. What a lovely attitude towards the bloke who pushed us over the finish line to the PL, and without whom we wouldnt have been in a position to the sign the players who you are w*nking over.

 

Its professional football, he is paid very well and besides when he joined us he never really wanted to move south and was using us as a stepping stone

[angelman]

I think we did OK and looking at a lot of other clubs scrabbling around in an undignified manner, I was pleased that we had got in what we wanted. Having said that, I do think that we wanted one more but only if the price was right, which one might presume it wasn't.

 

Looking at other clubs over the whole transfer window (and not just the last day), I am amazed about the number of players in. I know that there are many leaving as well, but they are mostly peripheral players (with some obvious exceptions)

 

Arsenal - 4 in

Aston Villa - 7 in

Cardiff - 8 in

Chelsea - 8 in

Palace - 14 in

Everton - 7 in

Fulham - 9 in

Hull - 11 in

Liverpool - 8 in

Man City - 5 in

Man Utd - 2 in

Newcastle - 2 in

Norwich - 8 in

Saints - 3 in

Stoke - 6 in

Sunderland - 14 in

Swansea - 10 in

Spurs - 7 in

WBA - 9 in

WHU - 5 in (inc Carroll)

 

Those clubs promoted, do need to strengthen, but I look at us last season, where in the summer window we brought in 8 players (including a future goalie in Gazza and an unemployed one in AB), although I do see us as being a little different and having largely still the team that we had in L1, unlike say Cardiff, who have been established as a top nPC team for a number of years.

 

I think that we can all agree that team harmony is important, and I can't see how those teams who have brought in 8+ players into an already established PL team can be that great, but I guess they soon learn to get on, or they do a QPR.

[alpine_saint]

 

We will never know but it's similar in a way to people saying this is the best window and its only been closed for 11 and a half hours, it will be a good transfer window if the players work if they don't it would have a bad seaon, people are biased when they say give Ramirez time and yet this window is already a nailed on success, childlike want and need.

 

Steady on, you arent allowed to hoist the happy-clappies on their own petard...

[alpine_saint]

Its professional football, he is paid very well and besides when he joined us he never really wanted to move south and was using us as a stepping stone

 

What a nasty, cynical comment.

 

Screw the fact that he had just lost a baby and probably needed a clean break, new scenery and a new challenge.

 

But WTF, if allows you to act like a ManYoo or Liverpool pig, go fill 'em.

[alpine_saint]

Well, that's another thread ruined. Best part of a decade and people still haven't figured it out.

 

ALPINE IS A TROLL

 

He will say absolutely ANYTHING if it gets him some attention. ANYTHING. It doesn't have to make sense, if it is wrong more people will argue with him.

 

How hard is it just to NOT reply to his posts and put him on ignore? Gordon Bennett...

 

Quit your foul whining, and grow up.

[sussexsaint]

We aren't just strengthening through transfers though, we are bringing through top quality through our acadamy. Shaw,JWP and chambers would all cost a pretty penny to buy.

[Saint Charlie]

Seems the sane majority are going for B+ minimum then.