Idiots at Stanstead Airport

[Thedelldays]

complete idiots who are protesting/minor terrorism....

[PompeyLass]

Thank God they done it now & not last Thursday as I wouldn't have been very impressed.

[bungle]

Yes, how dare anyone protest about anything.

[Mole]

Typical long haired idle layabouts. Instead of protesting they should get a job.

[Hatch]

Yes, how dare anyone protest about anything.

 

It is possible to protest without breaking the law.

 

 

They should have been shot as a terrorist threat.

[Gemmel]

complete idiots who are protesting/minor terrorism....

 

At least we can get their DNA now

[jeff leopard]

Good on them! I'm behind the protestors 100%.

 

The govt has truly ****ed up over this, capturing headlines about how Britain will lead the fight against carbon emissions and then trying to claim it doesn't include commercial flights which is a major offender. The proposed third runway at heathrow is just an insult. Direct action must be taken by the people.

 

Everyone has to think very carefully about whether they actually need to fly. The days of care-free/low-budget travel are over.

[bridge too far]

Typical long haired idle layabouts. Instead of protesting they should get a job.

 

One of the group, speaking on the radio this morning, said that she worked full time and used her annual leave for 'events' such as this one.

[Thedelldays]

Good on them! I'm behind the protestors 100%.

 

The govt has truly ****ed up over this, capturing headlines about how Britain will lead the fight against carbon emissions and then trying to claim it doesn't include commercial flights which is a major offender. The proposed third runway at heathrow is just an insult. Direct action must be taken by the people.

 

Everyone has to think very carefully about whether they actually need to fly. The days of care-free/low-budget travel are over.

 

 

good on them?

 

how irresponsible is it to target and sensitive area the way they did such as an airport...it is minor terrorism....the fact it is done by the greenites should not give it any credibility at all..

 

they could quite have easily prostest outside and at worst, would have been asked to move to a safer location etc....

 

are al-qeada right for taking actiom?

 

this has to be one of the most irresponsible acts by a bunch of people who have now lost alot of credibilty for their cause..

 

just imagine being in the airport and not knowing the full story when they first protested....im sure you would have been terrified...

 

 

if i was to wander on to the part of an airport they were at without good reason or persmission i would face an immediate minimum of 2 years in jail......lets hope they get more

[notnowcato]

One of the group, speaking on the radio this morning, said that she worked full time and used her annual leave for 'events' such as this one.

 

Oh for goodness sake Bridge!! Don't actually put some substance to an argument.. tsk

[Arizona]

C*nts.

 

Aviation will only expand as and when there is demand. People don't fly just because planes are there. Not building at least one more runway somewhere around London is only going to lead to more pain and misery for people passing through Heathrow, which is way over capacity as it is.

[Hatch]

One of the group, speaking on the radio this morning, said that she worked full time and used her annual leave for 'events' such as this one.

 

 

p45 on her desk in the morning for discrediting the company.

[bungle]

C*nts.

 

Aviation will only expand as and when there is demand. People don't fly just because planes are there. Not building at least one more runway somewhere around London is only going to lead to more pain and misery for people passing through Heathrow, which is way over capacity as it is.

 

These airports are only struggling because of the ridiculous amounts of internal flights. If we spent decent money on high speed rail, and made getting the train affordable again, then we wouldn't "need" these extra runways.

 

Quite frankly, I hope neither Stansted nor Heathrow gets their extra, unnecessary runways.

[bridge too far]

p45 on her desk in the morning for discrediting the company.

 

And why would that be? Unless she works for Ryanair

 

I think some searching questions need to be asked about the security at Stansted.

 

Supposing they'd been terrorists......

[Weston Super Saint]

These airports are only struggling because of the ridiculous amounts of internal flights. If we spent decent money on high speed rail, and made getting the train affordable again, then we wouldn't "need" these extra runways.

 

Quite frankly, I hope neither Stansted nor Heathrow gets their extra, unnecessary runways.

 

To be fair I'd go with : a little faster than now and affordable.

 

How exactly will it happen though - it's not like we need more railway tracks is it?

 

I think people choose internal flights over trains because even with the waiting around / check in etc, the plane is still more enjoyable than trundling along in a stinking train carriage stopping every ten minutes for one person to get off / on.

[Scummer]

 

Supposing they'd been terrorists......

 

If they were terrorists they'd just have shot them.

[Weston Super Saint]

One of the group, speaking on the radio this morning, said that she worked full time and used her annual leave for 'events' such as this one.

 

I bet she made it up

[Saint Martini]

These airports are only struggling because of the ridiculous amounts of internal flights. If we spent decent money on high speed rail, and made getting the train affordable again, then we wouldn't "need" these extra runways.

 

Quite frankly, I hope neither Stansted nor Heathrow gets their extra, unnecessary runways.

 

Increase emission taxes on plane tickets and use the extra income to fund railroads.

[bungle]

To be fair I'd go with : a little faster than now and affordable.

 

How exactly will it happen though - it's not like we need more railway tracks is it?

 

I think people choose internal flights over trains because even with the waiting around / check in etc, the plane is still more enjoyable than trundling along in a stinking train carriage stopping every ten minutes for one person to get off / on.

 

Let me explain high speed rail: the train does not every ten minutes because it is high speed, thus it links major cities with minimal other stops.

[Weston Super Saint]

Increase emission taxes on plane tickets and use the extra income to fund railroads.

 

LOL.

 

And end up driving more people onto the roads

[Weston Super Saint]

Let me explain high speed rail: the train does not every ten minutes because it is high speed, thus it links major cities with minimal other stops.

 

So why don't we do it?

[bungle]

Increase emission taxes on plane tickets and use the extra income to fund railroads.

 

Yes, that is one way of doing it.

 

We could also scrap Vehicle Excise Duty, but bring in a replacement tax which charges people on how much they drive, and then use that money to fund extra railways.

[bungle]

So why don't we do it?

 

I don't know. Ask successive Labour and Tory governments why they haven't done it.

[Weston Super Saint]

Yes, that is one way of doing it.

 

We could also scrap Vehicle Excise Duty, but bring in a replacement tax which charges people on how much they drive, and then use that money to fund extra railways.

 

And the way to do this is with a GPS tracker in every vehicle right?

 

And you were complaining about the Government knowing too much about our movements with an ID card

[Weston Super Saint]

I don't know. Ask successive Labour and Tory governments why they haven't done it.

 

Because it isn't profitable

[bungle]

And the way to do this is with a GPS tracker in every vehicle right?

 

And you were complaining about the Government knowing too much about our movements with an ID card

 

You are the King of Presumption, aren't you. It is hilarious how you just make other people's arguments up for them. Well done you.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

These airports are only struggling because of the ridiculous amounts of internal flights. If we spent decent money on high speed rail, and made getting the train affordable again, then we wouldn't "need" these extra runways.

 

Quite frankly, I hope neither Stansted nor Heathrow gets their extra, unnecessary runways.

 

The demise of the railways in this country can be blamed on a fat Tory **** from the 60's...but god knows if I can remember his name. I believe Ian Hislop did a program on him last month trying to defend him...suprise suprise.

[Saint Martini]

LOL.

 

And end up driving more people onto the roads

 

The idea is you make trains a more viable option but in the UK I get the idea there is a lot of work to be done in that area. But when there is no necessity (because you can fly everywhere for fook all) then these improvements will never be made.

[Thedelldays]

i had to get a train earlier this year from portsmouth harbour to galsgow...it was a work thing and was at short notice...a return costs me £300 quid exactly

 

where as, if was had the option to fly from southampton it would have cost me half of that on the same day...

 

 

true story...and there lies the problem

[Weston Super Saint]

You are the King of Presumption, aren't you. It is hilarious how you just make other people's arguments up for them. Well done you.

 

Please explain how you will charge people by how much they drive, without some sort of tracking device.....

 

Unless of course you meant to just put the tax on fuel up even more

[Weston Super Saint]

i had to get a train earlier this year from portsmouth harbour to galsgow...it was a work thing and was at short notice...a return costs me £300 quid exactly

 

where as, if was had the option to fly from southampton it would have cost me half of that on the same day...

 

Also, you could probably have bought a second hand car for £100, spent £100 on fuel and saved £100. Probably would have got there quicker too!

[bungle]

Please explain how you will charge people by how much they drive, without some sort of tracking device.....

 

Unless of course you meant to just put the tax on fuel up even more

 

My word, you've gone and done it again. At the moment, there is no point anyone replying to do, because you have clearly already prejudiced their reply in your head.

[Hatch]

They can run a trillion trains..... I still have to drive to get to the station.

[Weston Super Saint]

My word, you've gone and done it again. At the moment, there is no point anyone replying to do, because you have clearly already prejudiced their reply in your head.

 

So, you don't have an answer then?

[Thedelldays]

My word, you've gone and done it again. At the moment, there is no point anyone replying to do, because you have clearly already prejudiced their reply in your head.

 

 

go on bungle...what other way is there than some sort of tracking device in a car..?

[Thedelldays]

Also, you could probably have bought a second hand car for £100, spent £100 on fuel and saved £100. Probably would have got there quicker too!

 

yep...with the delays on route it took me just shy of 12 hours to get there

[bungle]

i had to get a train earlier this year from portsmouth harbour to galsgow...it was a work thing and was at short notice...a return costs me £300 quid exactly

 

where as, if was had the option to fly from southampton it would have cost me half of that on the same day...

 

 

true story...and there lies the problem

 

I don't think anyone is denying the problem. I can't blame anyone for taking internal flights where the railway option is not practical (be it cost or length of journey). However, what we need to do is spend real money on the railways (a high speed line could make the journey from London to Edinburgh in 2hrs 35 minutes) and thus offer a real alternative to flying internally. Then we can penalise those taking internal flights.

[Thedelldays]

I don't think anyone is denying the problem. I can't blame anyone for taking internal flights where the railway option is not practical (be it cost or length of journey). However, what we need to do is spend real money on the railways (a high speed line could make the journey from London to Edinburgh in 2hrs 35 minutes) and thus offer a real alternative to flying internally. Then we can penalise those taking internal flights.

 

 

real money on rail ways....i think the fact that it cost twice as much than it would to fly suggests we (the customer) do spend real money...

 

we do we have to penalise people for making a choice...?

[Weston Super Saint]

I don't think anyone is denying the problem. I can't blame anyone for taking internal flights where the railway option is not practical (be it cost or length of journey). However, what we need to do is spend real money on the railways (a high speed line could make the journey from London to Edinburgh in 2hrs 35 minutes) and thus offer a real alternative to flying internally. Then we can penalise those taking internal flights.

 

It's 1hr 15 minutes to fly from London to Edinburgh.

 

For some people, time is more important than money....

[bungle]

go on bungle...what other way is there than some sort of tracking device in a car..?

 

It depends on what roads you are charing. If you charge only on motorways or trunk roads (the only sensible way, because you can't charge rural drivers because they have no viable public transport option), then you can do it by traditional toll. You could use a "tag and beacon" system, but any personal data held would have to be seperated from journey data. People could pre-pay anonymously in the same way you anonymously top up your mobile phone.

[Thedelldays]

It depends on what roads you are charing. If you charge only on motorways or trunk roads (the only sensible way, because you can't charge rural drivers because they have no viable public transport option), then you can do it by traditional toll. You could use a "tag and beacon" system, but any personal data held would have to be seperated from journey data. People could pre-pay anonymously in the same way you anonymously top up your mobile phone.

 

if it is anonymously...then people will chose not to pay then and just drive through...?

[bungle]

real money on rail ways....i think the fact that it cost twice as much than it would to fly suggests we (the customer) do spend real money...

 

we do we have to penalise people for making a choice...?

 

Yes, we have to penalise people for taking an environmental unsustainable option (internal flights), but it is only fair to do it when there has been investment in real alternative options.

 

I would say that 2hrs 35 mins is a fair journey. It might take a little less to fly, but there are still check in times and security which probably takes that to 2 hours. I would then be happy to stick a massive tax on internal flights.

[bridge too far]

And the way to do this is with a GPS tracker in every vehicle right?

 

And you were complaining about the Government knowing too much about our movements with an ID card

 

Or another way to do it is to up the price of fuel significantly and scrap the VED.

 

The more you drive, the more you pay.

[Weston Super Saint]

It depends on what roads you are charing. If you charge only on motorways or trunk roads (the only sensible way, because you can't charge rural drivers because they have no viable public transport option), then you can do it by traditional toll. You could use a "tag and beacon" system, but any personal data held would have to be seperated from journey data. People could pre-pay anonymously in the same way you anonymously top up your mobile phone.

 

LOL.

 

So that wouldn't be able to track people's cars then?

 

It's all well and good saying that the data 'would have' to be held seperately from personal data, but we already have ANPR systems all over the motorway network tracking number plates etc.

 

Also, rural drivers wouldn't be charged? How ludicrous is that? Surely the motorways would be empty with everyone taking the non charged roads?

[bungle]

if it is anonymously...then people will chose not to pay then and just drive through...?

 

It's like the TAG system used on Severn Toll Bridge. You top up your card, drive up to the gate flash the card and it deducts the money. But it doesn't need to know who you are to be able to do that.

[Weston Super Saint]

Or another way to do it is to up the price of fuel significantly and scrap the VED.

 

The more you drive, the more you pay.

 

Frankly, I can't see any Government that implements that sort of policy lasting past the next election. Political suicide is never going to be on the agenda for the people who's livelihoods depend on being in power.

[Thedelldays]

Yes, we have to penalise people for taking an environmental unsustainable option (internal flights), but it is only fair to do it when there has been investment in real alternative options.

 

I would say that 2hrs 35 mins is a fair journey. It might take a little less to fly, but there are still check in times and security which probably takes that to 2 hours. I would then be happy to stick a massive tax on internal flights.

 

 

you would..with your circumstances...not everyone is you though...

 

surely, we should offer people the choice and competetive prices....as the already overloaded, unrealiable, massively expensive train system will get worse..

 

could you imagine what already greedy train companies would do when people are forced financially to use their service...!!!!

[Hatch]

Why do we have to charge more for drivers to pay for anything, just pay less money in benefits to the scroungers. Theres billions there.

[Thedelldays]

It's like the TAG system used on Severn Toll Bridge. You top up your card, drive up to the gate flash the card and it deducts the money. But it doesn't need to know who you are to be able to do that.

 

 

so...what if i cant be arsed, wont or cant afford that day to pay..what will stop me abusing the system...?

[bungle]

you would..with your circumstances...not everyone is you though...

 

surely, we should offer people the choice and competetive prices....as the already overloaded, unrealiable, massively expensive train system will get worse..

 

could you imagine what already greedy train companies would do when people are forced financially to use their service...!!!!

 

The whole railway system needs reform, delldays, yes. At the moment, the railways will get capacity in 2015, which is why we need to start spending massive money in improving it. Sadly, this government will not do that.