Wanyama -arise Sir Neil Lennon?

[whelk]

very early days but are others concerned wanyama is not worth £12.5m?

 

Distribution was poor yesterday and the comments from the Kilmarnock manager Kenny Shiels could be concerning:

"He doesn't keep the it(the ball)very well"

"Lennon deserves a knighthood for getting £12.5m"

"Didn't have natural instincts to know what to do with the ball"

 

I know we all go over the top after a loss and the guy has just arrived here and is there to harass the opposition butSchneiderlin Cork combo was the major factor in turning our season around and I woudl like to see it back. Not sure we are evolving by changing it.

 

The comforting thing is most Celtic fans thought he was worthnteh money so hopefully just has the odd poor game

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/13/premier-league-preview-southampton

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Didn't see yesterdays game so can't comment on it. But from I have seen of him so far VW looks to be a bloody good footballer and worth every penny if you ask me.

 

But time will tell of course.

[dubai_phil]

Meh. Stats at HT 17 passes 80% completion rate.

 

So around 4 passes went astray.

 

Yep make him the next Guly already.

[Monk]

I've not been a huge fan.

[whelk]

Meh. Stats at HT 17 passes 80% completion rate.

 

So around 4 passes went astray.

 

Yep make him the next Guly already.

 

Stats from Internet makes everyone an expert - often people who don't get football and try and turn it into a science. It is an art!

 

Completing 4 yard sideway passes 100% of the time doesn't negate if you twice overhit through balls when teh right ball woudl have given a chance at goal.

[Batman]

He was awesome first game?

[dubai_phil]

Stats from Internet makes everyone an expert - often people who don't get football and try and turn it into a science. It is an art!

 

Completing 4 yard sideway passes 100% of the time doesn't negate if you twice overhit through balls when teh right ball woudl have given a chance at goal.

 

Stats were from TV.

 

I assume a similar moan about the balls that Osvaldo overhit will be coming next?

 

Also, it is INCREDIBLY hard to pass a football.

 

IF there is nobody in a position to receive it from you.

 

The ENTIRE shape and movement of the team was f\/cked up yesterday, picking on only ONE player is wrong on every level.

 

The problem is far more than VW's price.

 

Our out ball all season has been down the line, JRod chases it down, wins a throw in deep in opponents half and we move as a unit.

 

Yesterday we had no JRod and it stuck out like a sore thumb, VW drops deep to let the FB's move forward. If the FB's freeze when they reach the Half Way line the system doesn't work

[Cricketphilly]

Norwich supporting chum said he was excellent

[Barry Sanchez]

We do on the whole buy absolute **** for big money, he was brilliant at Celtic though.

[Wiggles31]

Thought he has been brilliant in the first two games. Morgan has been a bit poor this season. They both don't play well together.

[grezz]

I've read a lot of comments saying how poor he was and to be honest i just can't figure out what people were watching. He was poor with his distribution in the first half and made a few errors. I'll give on that. Second half he stepped up to the plate and a stray shot or two notwithstanding he did well. Overall i'd give him a 6. Nothing special but not so bad either. The one thing he was, was involved all game. He didn't go missing.

 

Over the 3 games.....he's had a bloody good start for someone just fitting into a team. I'd like to see a bit more box-to-box from him but he started showing signs of wanting to get forward yesterday so let's see how that pans out.

[timayes]

To answer the op. No.

 

The amount of people crying is amazing, football is like that, even the bests layers and the best teams have off days. Judge over half a season, one bad game from three is pretty childish.

[Cabrone]

The biggest problem yesterday wasn't Wanyama - it was that the full backs were not providing adequate width in the final 3rd and the whole team suffered.

 

We need all 3 DMs playing, one infront of the back 4 to cover the attacking full back and the other two in the centre maintaining the defensive squeeze. For me Cork would be best infront of the back 4. He's far too good to be on the bench.

 

We also need Shaw and Clyne back ASAP. Not knocking the two guys yesterday but Shaw and Clyne are unquestionably our best 2 full backs and provide a vital function to the team.

 

Targetting a 21 y.o that has just arrived from the Scottish league after one anonymous performance amongst many is knee-jerk.

 

The lad has all the attributes to be a damn good player but he needs time. He isn't the finished article and was never sold to us as such so he needs some patience from the fans.

[Barry Sanchez]

To answer the op. No.

 

The amount of people crying is amazing, football is like that, even the bests layers and the best teams have off days. Judge over half a season, one bad game from three is pretty childish.

 

Are we talking brickies not keeping their laying rate up or ****gers?

[saintbob40]

http://chroniclesofneef.com/2013/02/05/the-brilliance-of-the-cork-schneiderlin-partnership/

 

A trip down memory lane- and worth a re read. You wonder why Les Reed, NC or MP would want to dismantle this. Absolutely mental. The problem is how do you admit to (another.....?) a £12 million pound mistake? Strangely though the one game you do need a big muscular lump in the middle is against West Ham which is next up. how many teams now play that way though-even Stoke are trying to play a bit nowadays.

[RedAndWhite91]

****ing hell, one bad game and people really do start wetting the bed don't they.

[Asaint4ever]

Very shocked on this! Didn't see yesterday's game but from what I've seen he's been worth 20m easy. The bloke can have a one off. I'd be more concerned about gaston.

[Charlie Wayman]

Thought he has been brilliant in the first two games. Morgan has been a bit poor this season. They both don't play well together.

 

That is the nub of our problem, they are too similar and get in each other's way. Morgan seems intimidated by the presence of Wanyama and has had his central role curtailed to the detriment of our overall movement and passing.

[OldNick]

What a ridiculous lot of nonsense. First he was supposed to be a bargain and now I read on here is worth 12.50. We say Pompey have thick fans lol

[kpturner]

Threads like this just reiterate what a small-minded (or small-club minded) group if fans we have - at least on TSW. Spend what is (for the EPL) a normal sum for a top young player and we expect him to be footballing perfection for 95 minutes of every game. Sport doesn't work like that.

[adrian lord]

I'd be horrified if we've been mugged off with VW just like we were with Gashton.

[whelk]

What does show is how it is almost impossible to raise a thread asking for thoughts without many getting excited about having a contrary view.

I wasn't actually suggesting I thought he wasn't value and am glad we have him but clearly the Kilmarnock manger did. He wasn't impressive yesterday though so asking what others thought. Very small minded eh

[AussieDog]

I wasn't impressed with VW yesterday - but then again I wasn't really impressed with anyone or the team performance as a whole. Did we really play our high pressing game? It didn't seem as dynamic as I remember from last year. I think the biggest disappointments were Lallana being substituted and Webb missing our shout for a penalty. Overall it just didn't seem like a "team" performance and it would be a shame to pick on any particular individual.

[Barry Sanchez]

Very shocked on this! Didn't see yesterday's game but from what I've seen he's been worth 20m easy. The bloke can have a one off. I'd be more concerned about gaston.

 

There is nothing to be concerned about, I have as all on here know been stying he is crap since day one, we should sell him el pronto and get someone who wants to put a shift in, he is lazy, uncommited and can not pass for ****.

[kpturner]

.....

I wasn't actually suggesting I thought he wasn't value.....

Read the first part of your post again. What are you suggesting then?

[S-Clarke]

The funny thing is that if Killmarnock were offered Wanyama from Celtic, they'd sign him and he'd play him.

 

He had an absolutely diabolical game yesterday, awful in every way imaginable. No one can deny that. But he had a very, very strong debut for us. He's still very young, let's not forget, so will blow hot and cold occasionally. In terms of attributes, I feel he adds what we were missing in that area - but we now need more pace in front of him to make his role a little more interesting.

[dickyhale]

Didn't see yesterdays game so can't comment on it. But from the 2 games I have seen of him so far VW looks to be a good solid footballer and a good signing...

[Barry Sanchez]

Too many fans are just looking at fees now. I know saints fans aren't used to it, but sadly in modern football you can get good, bad or average for 12m. It's not a huge fee anymore, even if it is for us. Just judge the player on ability and form, there's bugger all point thinking about the fee.

 

Wanyama looks alright, but replacing Cork is a huge (and unnecessary) ask for anyone.

 

Cool, Ramirez would have been a **** signing for £2 Million.

[ToreSF]

Stats were from TV.

 

I assume a similar moan about the balls that Osvaldo overhit will be coming next?

 

Also, it is INCREDIBLY hard to pass a football.

 

IF there is nobody in a position to receive it from you.

 

The ENTIRE shape and movement of the team was f\/cked up yesterday, picking on only ONE player is wrong on every level.

 

The problem is far more than VW's price.

 

Our out ball all season has been down the line, JRod chases it down, wins a throw in deep in opponents half and we move as a unit.

 

Yesterday we had no JRod and it stuck out like a sore thumb, VW drops deep to let the FB's move forward. If the FB's freeze when they reach the Half Way line the system doesn't work

 

Dubai Phil, you always talk sense. The biggest problem yesterday was that no one made themselves available for the pass. There was very little movement up front, and our full backs didn't attack like they are supposed to do. I

[Ed Rooney]

FFS, why don't we ever give these players time to settle. I think some would prefer us to go back to 4 million pound record signings.

 

what are you expecting, these players to run rings around the opposition, this is the premier league !

[DuncanRG]

Three games.

 

He had an off day in one of his first three games.

[Sour Mash]

I like Wanyama and think he's been good, but my main concern would be he doesn't seem to be bringing the best out of Schneiderlin.

[westmidlandsaint]

Yet after the west brom game, Paul merson on sky said that Wanyama looked a £20m player and should be at a top 4 club

[adrian lord]

Yet after the west brom game, Paul merson on sky said that Wanyama looked a £20m player and should be at a top 4 club

 

...

[mulletsaint]

Meh. Stats at HT 17 passes 80% completion rate.

 

So around 4 passes went astray.

 

Yep make him the next Guly already.

 

I didn't see yesterday's game but I was countered with similar stats when I questioned his passing in th Sunderland match. Having looked back at that match I'd stick with my initial feeling that his passing's a little iffy. Quite a few of his completed passes in that game put the receiving player under pressure. If a pass is bobbly or slightly off target it can put us on the back foot, make it easier for the opposition to turn over possession and slow our attacking play.

 

I think one reason we aren't looking as cohesive is that the understanding that has built up over two seasons between Cork and Morgan has been broken. In time VW will probably be an improvement over Cork (at £12m he should be), but currently I think he is contributing to our disjointed performances.

 

I'd say that other big factors have been Clyne not being fit to start the season and Shaw picking up a knock. We rely on them for width. When Clyne's been out it makes it easier for teams to block us out as they essentially only have to worry about one flank. On top of that Rickie's looked jaded. Whether through sleepless nights, the England thing or trying too hard because Osvaldo has come in I don't know.

[itchen_dan]

I think he's a good player, just we paid WELL over the odds for him. He is in there to be a bruiser and ball winner, £12m is a lot for that IMO.

[Batman]

I think he's a good player, just we paid WELL over the odds for him. He is in there to be a bruiser and ball winner, £12m is a lot for that IMO.

 

some of what we paid for is potential. isnt he 21 years old?

two games ago, he was immense and described as a £20m player

 

clearly he has top top performances in him and hopefully, we will see them more often

Edited 1 September, 2013 by Batman

[CanadaSaint]

The biggest problem yesterday wasn't Wanyama - it was that the full backs were not providing adequate width in the final 3rd and the whole team suffered.

 

Nutshell.

 

I'd be inclined to add the fact that Ramirez for Lallana removed any chance that we could compensate.

 

Wanyama did his job for the most part, but without two of his immediate pass options on the flanks.

[itchen_dan]

some of what we paid for is potential. isnt he 21 years old?

two games ago, he was immense and described as a £20m player

 

clearly he is top top performances in him and hopefully, we will see them more often

 

He had a very good opening 2 games but struggled yesterday with the pace and closing down. Previous 2 teams were happy to stand off and allow him time, yet yesterday he panicked at times and misplaced some pretty simple passes. I agree, he is young and developing but I think he's worth no more than £8m.

[Saint Billy]

One bad game ffs!!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Watched the full 90 again and agree Wanyama was poor, however he was great against WBA and good against Sunderland.

 

Like Saints his performances rate as W1 D1 L1 so far.

 

To early to judge either way..... But seen enough to suggest we will get more good than bad

[niceandfriendly]

He's gonna be a great player for us, he just had a poor day yesterday like most of our players.

[Window Cleaner]

Watched the full 90 again and agree Wanyama was poor, however he was great against WBA and good against Sunderland.

 

Like Saints his performances rate as W1 D1 L1 so far.

 

To early to judge either way..... But seen enough to suggest we will get more good than bad

 

as I said in the thread before Wanyama signed consistency will take a while to achieve because in Scotland you can blow hot and cold and no-one would notice due to the execrable standard of the opposition most weeks.

[OttawaSaint]

**** we have some bellends on here. I am conflicted as I rely on this forum to stay in touch with all things Saints but collosal cvnts like Sanchez and co make this place miserable to read. The likes of Sanchez, Turkish, Kracken et al., must be a nightmare to watch football with in the pub, must spend the whole time *****ing, goading, whining and point scoring. Wouldn't be surprised if their mates lamp them from time to time.

[Saint Without a Halo]

We do on the whole buy absolute **** for big money, he was brilliant at Celtic though.

 

Do we? not always? Ron Davies, Peter Osgood, Kevin Keegan, were all record buys not really **** though nor were Colin Clarke, Phil Boyer, Ted MacDougall, Alan Ball, Jimmy Case, Armstrong, Chris Nicholl, Ken Monkou all reasonably big money at the time.

 

Lambert was big money for us too in league 1! I think our record is mixed no better or worse than most clubs!

[kpturner]

**** we have some bellends on here. I am conflicted as I rely on this forum to stay in touch with all things Saints but collosal cvnts like Sanchez and co make this place miserable to read. The likes of Sanchez, Turkish, Kracken et al., must be a nightmare to watch football with in the pub, must spend the whole time *****ing, goading, whining and point scoring. Wouldn't be surprised if their mates lamp them from time to time.

:lol: Please stop mincing your words and beating around the bush. Say what you really think - ha ha

[Grey Crab]

Yeh, let's sell him before the window closes and before anyone else notices he's sh*t. He's had enough time to prove us wrong.

[Stoozer]

Against Sunderland at SMS he was one of the best and busiest players on the pitch.

[redsaints106]

Didn't see yesterdays game so can't comment on it. But from I have seen of him so far VW looks to be a bloody good footballer and worth every penny if you ask me.

 

But time will tell of course.

 

This!

 

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[Suhari]

Stats were from TV.

 

I assume a similar moan about the balls that Osvaldo overhit will be coming next?

 

Also, it is INCREDIBLY hard to pass a football.

 

IF there is nobody in a position to receive it from you.

 

The ENTIRE shape and movement of the team was f\/cked up yesterday, picking on only ONE player is wrong on every level.

 

The problem is far more than VW's price.

 

Our out ball all season has been down the line, JRod chases it down, wins a throw in deep in opponents half and we move as a unit.

 

Yesterday we had no JRod and it stuck out like a sore thumb, VW drops deep to let the FB's move forward. If the FB's freeze when they reach the Half Way line the system doesn't work

 

This.

 

Yesterday we were so far away from the shape that we have become used to it was like watching a different team; no-one performed. Hope we don't try to accommodate SRL and Ossie like that again.