Huffton Posted 31 August, 2013 Share Posted 31 August, 2013 Feck me, just seen the penalty shout on the tv, didn't see it properly from the ground as we were right near the front at the other end. How the f u ck did he not give that? The lad virtually caught it! Best ref in the prem? Not even the best ref on the pitch today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 31 August, 2013 Share Posted 31 August, 2013 How did he not give Fonte's challenge on Snodgrass too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 31 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 31 August, 2013 Don't know, had my head in my hands as I was sure it was a pen. This guy is pulling over £50k a year to be this bad at his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 31 August, 2013 Share Posted 31 August, 2013 @StellingJeff: Howard Webb ! Cliff Richard would have made better decisions ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 31 August, 2013 Share Posted 31 August, 2013 Take your own chances and Howard Webb's lack of ability to see a stonewall penalty is inconsequential. We need to look closer to home to see the real issues in the team and that starts with the manager and team selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 31 August, 2013 Share Posted 31 August, 2013 Take your own chances and Howard Webb's lack of ability to see a stonewall penalty is inconsequential. We need to look closer to home to see the real issues in the team and that starts with the manager and team selection. This, It's not Webbs fault our players couldn't pass straight or tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 31 August, 2013 Share Posted 31 August, 2013 What a shocker Webb you bellend, it was a cracking volleyball manoeuvre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 August, 2013 Share Posted 31 August, 2013 Mental that 14% on MOTD said it wasn't a penalty - he ran out at Lallana with both of his arms up and blocked it in mid-air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 31 August, 2013 Share Posted 31 August, 2013 Had the penalty been awarded with Rickie putting it away, ands had Lallana's volley that hit the post been a couple of inches to the right we could have won that game.......but that would have been a travesty of justice to Norwich who passed better, controlled the ball better and were the more threatening side. It's no good complaining about referees or bad luck if you don't have the best team on the park, because unless you are the best team you will lose more games than you'll win. There are reasons, or excuses, for not scoring goals from open play and Osvaldo has to fit into the team, but the worry is that this team may not be as good as we thought it was. Another 2 or 3 games from now and we'll have a better idea as it is still early days and 2 of the 3 games have been away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 We always seem to get **** refs. Or good refs who suddenly start making **** decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 TWe always seem to get **** refs. Or good refs who suddenly start making **** decisions. Yeah, just like at villa when Mark Halsey gave us a penalty when no one touched Rodriguez, or the penalty we got at home to Brighton when Fonte was brought down a yard outside the area. You're right we've had some shockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 There will always be shocking referee decisions throughout the season, some will go our way, some won't. We really shouldn't have to worry about these decisions though, we should be able to win games without relying on a penalty to get something out of a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 I've seen on MOTD another pretty shocking failure to give an obvious pen in the Cardiff v Everton game. Refs are reluctant to make these calls because they are game changing decisions and giving a pen (that is subsequently shown to be wrong on TV) must be every refs worst nightmare. Now I can understand that, but surely both good judgement and a degree of moral courage is required to do this job. If too many officials are found to be lacking in moral fibre then before very long the game is going to have a serious problem on its hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 We need to man the **** up and stop *****ing, we did not deserve anything, they had valid shouts as well, I would like to say we huffed and puffed but it was not our day but we looked lacking and lazy. Poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 I'm not complaining about individual decisions as they tend to balance out. But there seems to be confusion over what is and isn't handball. It should be simple. If your hands are in front of your face or torso as JWP's were then the ball would have hit you anyway so no handball. If hands are above your head or spread wide as in the Norwich guys case you make yourself a bigger blocking target. Should be handball even if from close range. Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 I'm not complaining about individual decisions as they tend to balance out. But there seems to be confusion over what is and isn't handball. It should be simple. If your hands are in front of your face or torso as JWP's were then the ball would have hit you anyway so no handball. If hands are above your head or spread wide as in the Norwich guys case you make yourself a bigger blocking target. Should be handball even if from close range. Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk 2 There was no confusion as both were not given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 If there's no confusion why are pundits and commentators confused? Why were both appealed for by players? Can you confidently say neither would have been given in another game by another ref ? Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 I'm not complaining about individual decisions as they tend to balance out. But there seems to be confusion over what is and isn't handball. It should be simple. If your hands are in front of your face or torso as JWP's were then the ball would have hit you anyway so no handball. If hands are above your head or spread wide as in the Norwich guys case you make yourself a bigger blocking target. Should be handball even if from close range. Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk 2 Yeah I agree with this. even if the player doesn't deliberately block the ball with hands, it is still denying the opposition a potential goal. Most fouls are not deliberate, but the free kick will be awarded anyway if the defending team gain an advantage from it. Same should go for handball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Yeah I agree with this. even if the player doesn't deliberately block the ball with hands, it is still denying the opposition a potential goal. Most fouls are not deliberate, but the free kick will be awarded anyway if the defending team gain an advantage from it. Same should go for handball. Agree. If handball was only awarded for specific, intentional handling of the ball there would be about two handball decisions given in the entire league each season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 We have never won a match that Harold Webb has been referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Fonte's foul was a pen IMO, so I don't think I'll blame Webb for this defeat thanks. Wanyama's lack challenge to stop Redmond shooting might be a better thing to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Fonte's foul was a pen IMO, so I don't think I'll blame Webb for this defeat thanks. Wanyama's lack challenge to stop Redmond shooting might be a better thing to focus on. Come on chez, you know the rules, why look at ourselves when we can blame others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 We have never won a match that Harold Webb has been referee. Not sure if Harold has ever reffed us to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Don't know, had my head in my hands as I was sure it was a pen. This guy is pulling over £50k a year to be this bad at his job. Is that all they get? Peanuts and monkeys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 (edited) Not sure if Harold has ever reffed us to be fair. EDIT : just realised your 'joke' re Harold, but on the subject of Howard: I thought we were one of the first Premiership matches he took charge of, home to Villa in our first or second season at St Mary's. I remember an incident from it. Villa had a corner at the Chapel end. Ball came in, and then got knocked back out for a GK or so we thought. All players- both teams - turned to make their way upfield. Webb stayed rooted in the penalty area. With half the Villa team making their way back towards their own half, it appeared he had given a freekivk or something... then became apparent the bald f^cker had given Villa a penalty. Remarkable as there had not even been a half hearted appeal from any of their players. TV replay showed a minor shirt pull, or arm across the body of a Villa player, but so insignificant that the Villa player did not even notice it to appeal. So, I have followed Webb's climb to being a top ref with interest, with this sticking in my mind plus of course, and missing the Dutch players chest high assault on a Spanish player in the World Cup Final. But he was of course on good terms with Ferguson. Other than this the other two things about Howard Webb Edited 1 September, 2013 by Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Is that all they get? Peanuts and monkeys... I think it's a lot more than that. In my day (over 10 years ago) I think it was £75,000. For that the FA gets first call on their services. All expenses are extra. If the match is more than 150 miles (?) from their home by have to stay in a hotel overnight. They do not drive to the stadium in their own vehicles. The FA hires a room at a local hotel for all the officials with flip chart etc and they are driven in one vehicle to the ground. This is how it was then, things must have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 We have never won a match that Harold[b][/b] Webb has been referee. Senior moment Jan:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Yep, £50k cannae be right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 This reckons about £85k: http://www.trophy4toon.co.uk/index.php/premier-league-referees/ And this £70k average: http://www.tsmplug.com/football/average-salary-premier-league-referees/ There's a section at the bottom here about last season and refereeing: http://review.premierleague.com/pdfs/season-review-2012-13-chapter-02.pdf They can have other jobs of course, if they can find the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Fonte's foul was a pen IMO, so I don't think I'll blame Webb for this defeat thanks. Wanyama's lack challenge to stop Redmond shooting might be a better thing to focus on. Fair point, although the impact of the penalty shouts in the context of the game are a little different. Our one would probably have put us one up, away from home, allowing us to be tighter at the back; there's came when we were throwing people forward looking for an equaliser (which we wouldn't have been doing if we'd scored the pen) and didn't actually affect the result. While they were both clearly shocking decisions, did anyone notice how little appealing there was? Apart from osvaldo I didn't see anyone shouting, even lallana whose shot it was. We're always told play to the whistle but I wonder if we'd stopped and screamed if it would have made a difference. Possibly made it too easy for Webb to chicken out of the decision. I also wonder if his mistake on our penalty influenced his decision on the nor which one. All in all, extremely poor from our alleged best ref. Things do balance out IMO, but after last weeks decisions I can understand why we're feeling hard done by at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Come on chez, you know the rules, why look at ourselves when we can blame others. Can you point me to the post on this thread that says we lost purely because of the handball non-penalty decision? Turkish in posting trolling comments shocker!!! At the end of the day the better team won, we weren't good enough, but Webb did have a shocker. He got both penalty shouts wrong - they should both have been given, quite clearly! There was also an occasion when Johnson hacked Lallana down from behind, right in front of him, which he went unpunished and the elbow in to Osvaldo's mouth, which Webb said was an arm across his chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Webb celebrity referee, would have been a penalty to MU, MC, Chelsea, Arsenal etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 1 September, 2013 Author Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Don't know if any of the comments above re losing are aimed at me, no where in my post does it suggest this, we weren't good enough yesterday end of. However had the pen been given and we'd gone ahead who knows? My point is something is badly wrong when a supposed top official can't see such blatant handball right in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 2 September, 2013 Share Posted 2 September, 2013 I do not think the officials had good games at Norwich.As well as missing the blatant block using his hands by the Norwich player Fonte fouled Snodgrass. However Snodgrass had been throwing himself to the floor and abusing the lino throughout the game which is why he did not get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 2 September, 2013 Share Posted 2 September, 2013 @StellingJeff: Howard Webb ! Cliff Richard would have made better decisions ! What do you expect from a World Cup referee and allegedly England top official. Your 'avin' a laff. remember the cock-up he made with the World Cup Final. Both teams knew he was totally indecisive and took full advantage. He should have gone to Specsavers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 2 September, 2013 Share Posted 2 September, 2013 Webb seems to rely on his assistants heavily. There was a match last season and every potential foul, he looked across to his assistant and didn't once make a call with his own eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 2 September, 2013 Share Posted 2 September, 2013 Webb celebrity referee, would have been a penalty to MU, MC, Chelsea, Arsenal etc. This is so true when clubs like us play these big boyz. I always find it interesting when , like yesterday Liverpool v Man Utd....the ref is in a quandary so often ..especially without Sir Alex to help officiate. Then again ..we do get some decisions in non relevant areas against the top teams.. Before anyone gets on their high horse.........the officials are very scared of these big teams regarding their career at the top level. Major example....Van Persie had already been booked......should have been off.....and then pushes a player...second yellow card and off... NO..........ref too scared even though he saw it clearly.... Saints player and off and even the commentators stating...YOU can't raise your arms. etc Van Persie should have been off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 2 September, 2013 Share Posted 2 September, 2013 Met the guy once - arrogant to$$er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 2 September, 2013 Share Posted 2 September, 2013 In the interview with Danny Fox after the game he pointed out the inconsistency of Lallana's penalty not being given, compared to that harsh one last season (can't remember which game) which was given against Fox. It all adds a random element to football, which detracts from the skill you need to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 2 September, 2013 Share Posted 2 September, 2013 In the interview with Danny Fox after the game he pointed out the inconsistency of Lallana's penalty not being given, compared to that harsh one last season (can't remember which game) which was given against Fox. It all adds a random element to football, which detracts from the skill you need to win games. Stuff the random element. I just want consistency game to game club to club. If our best ref cant spot an obvious handball from 2 freaking yards its time for technology for penalty shouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 2 September, 2013 Share Posted 2 September, 2013 Stuff the random element. I just want consistency game to game club to club. If our best ref cant spot an obvious handball from 2 freaking yards its time for technology for penalty shouts. How can technology help? You mean video judges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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