Bananaman Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 The last two weeks has seen an abundance of finger pointing fingers at Mr Friend and Mr Webb... think what you want about their performances but how much impact does a refereeing decision really have on a game when, quite simply, three games in, we still haven't scored a goal in open play in the league? I am not trying to be a pessimist but we surely cannot continue to point fingers at individuals (Refs, Gaston, Fox, JRod et al) when the team are not scoring goals against top flight opposition.
badgerx16 Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 And, of course, the manager isn't aware of this ?
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 We can't blame the ref every week, can we?
badgerx16 Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 We can't blame the ref every week, can we? Not unless we get Mr Webb every week.
St Marco Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 , we still haven't scored a goal in open play in the league? Is scoring from a header not in open play then?
S-Clarke Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Is scoring from a header not in open play then? That was from a dead ball situation though.
Appy Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Wasn't all Webb's fault, he denied them a blatant penalty right at the end.
Toomer Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Is scoring from a header not in open play then? Scoring from a corner is not open play.
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Is scoring from a header not in open play then? That was from a dead ball situation though. Scoring from a corner is not open play. Glad to see it's only one idiot who doesn't know the difference between scoring from a dead ball and scoring from open play.
St Marco Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Glad to see it's only one idiot who doesn't know the difference between scoring from a dead ball and scoring from open play. Except it was not a corner, it was a free kick from the half way line.... Kraken get's it wrong shocker...
Badger Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Wasn't all Webb's fault, he denied them a blatant penalty right at the end. Difference being that "ours" was in the first half, whilst still 0-0 , so perhaps a more critical time of the game. Interesting no one mentions another debatable refereeing decision, to award us a penalty in the last minute v WBA. No doubt mentioned on the WBA's sites but not here. Lets be honest we've seen similar appeals not given. So where would we be in the league without that ?
modern matron Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Is scoring from a header not in open play then? No. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 (edited) Except it was not a corner, it was a free kick from the half way line.... Kraken get's it wrong shocker... A free kick isn't a dead ball then? You're really not doing well here Mark :lol: Edited 31 August, 2013 by The Kraken
St Marco Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 A free kick isn't a dead ball then? You're really not doing well here Mark :lol: It is but not in the way the OP is trying to suggest. A ball that is what 50 yards away has to be in play a long time. Both sides have a chance to do something about it while it is in the air. When you have a penalty or a free kick outside the box there is not much the defenders can do while it is the air. You can't defend a penalty etc. It should not be put in the same bracket as scoring a penalty. Because there is a lot both teams can do to influence what happens from that situation. It all boils down to your definition of open play and when open play stops. If you look at the percentage of goals scored your see most are scored from 'dead ball' situations. Man Utd won the league last year and scored more 'dead ball' goals then 'open play' goals. So my point is that 'dead ball' goals are just as important as 'open play' goals no matter how you try to define it. A free kick is a dead ball, but scoring from either open play or dead ball is equally as important as each other. If we had scored only goals from open play and missed penalties you would be saying the opposite. But hey, like I give a **** what you think. Just hope you have enough tissues what with all your crying
adrian lord Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Every move in a match has it's origin in a 'dead ball' situation if you go back far enough. How many players does possession of the ball need to go through before 'open play' is declared?
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Mac, the only crying I'm doing is of two sorts. The first is tears of desperation in your endeavours to follow me around like you have something to prove. The second is my tears of laughter at how painfully basic you must be to not recognise the difference between a goal scored from open play and a goal scored from a dead ball. Your attempts to diffuse your idiocy are desperate. Desperate. Pass the tissues, i'm still laughing you. :lol::lol:
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Hurrah!! Benners has got his obsession back on again!! Welcome back Benny!!
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 Every move in a match has it's origin in a 'dead ball' situation if you go back far enough. How many players does possession of the ball need to go through before 'open play' is declared? Well I'm fairly sure it's the direct result of the ball being played in from the dead ball, give or take a deflection or two.
Saint Benali Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 So Kraken as they have asked, when does a dead ball situation become open play again? Obviously a penalty remains a dead ball until saved or scored. But what about corners and free kicks? If the ball is touched by another player then surely that means it is then in open play? If not then how long until it is open play again? You may laugh at what Marco said but he has a point. The definition of dead ball means returning the ball from a stationary position. When it has one trajectory and then a second/third/fourth is that still a dead ball situation? As pointed out above all goals start from a dead ball situation at some point. Could be a goal kick, a throw in, a free kick from your own half and so on. How many touches/how much time must pass until it is open play again?
Bananaman Posted 31 August, 2013 Author Posted 31 August, 2013 It is but not in the way the OP is trying to suggest. A ball that is what 50 yards away has to be in play a long time. Both sides have a chance to do something about it while it is in the air. When you have a penalty or a free kick outside the box there is not much the defenders can do while it is the air. You can't defend a penalty etc. It should not be put in the same bracket as scoring a penalty. Because there is a lot both teams can do to influence what happens from that situation. It all boils down to your definition of open play and when open play stops. If you look at the percentage of goals scored your see most are scored from 'dead ball' situations. Man Utd won the league last year and scored more 'dead ball' goals then 'open play' goals. So my point is that 'dead ball' goals are just as important as 'open play' goals no matter how you try to define it. A free kick is a dead ball, but scoring from either open play or dead ball is equally as important as each other. If we had scored only goals from open play and missed penalties you would be saying the opposite. But hey, like I give a **** what you think. Just hope you have enough tissues what with all your crying The OP stated that we haven't scored in a league game, in open play... I would class a crossed free kick, headed in on goal as a set piece..
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2013 Posted 31 August, 2013 So Kraken as they have asked, when does a dead ball situation become open play again? Obviously a penalty remains a dead ball until saved or scored. But what about corners and free kicks? If the ball is touched by another player then surely that means it is then in open play? If not then how long until it is open play again? You may laugh at what Marco said but he has a point. The definition of dead ball means returning the ball from a stationary position. When it has one trajectory and then a second/third/fourth is that still a dead ball situation? As pointed out above all goals start from a dead ball situation at some point. Could be a goal kick, a throw in, a free kick from your own half and so on. How many touches/how much time must pass until it is open play again? Benny! A genuine question other than following me around and just playing the child! I feel honoured, so I'll answer. Now, the quote that I answered in the first place was: we still haven't scored a goal in open play in the league? Marco decided to question this. Now, if you could please just point out which goal Saints have scored from open play this year, we'll go from there.
CB Fry Posted 1 September, 2013 Posted 1 September, 2013 This is my favourite goal from Open Play. Well done Marco and St Benali. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DuIX5iB16GI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDuIX5iB16GI
david in sweden Posted 1 September, 2013 Posted 1 September, 2013 Wasn't all Webb's fault, he denied them a blatant penalty right at the end. " Hand ball " in the area is not a blatant penalty, unless it's intentional. It's for the ref. to decide (in that split second) if it was ball to hand?---or hand to ball..or the player simply couldn't get out of the way. John Terry is a player who gets away with a lot in this respect, but for me, that's as bad as " diving ". Attacking players try to " win " penalties, by deliberately kicking the ball onto a defenders arm/ hand..and shouting handball. If the team is " well-rehearsed " they get the decision - even if the ref. is unsighted. There were three "shouts " for handball yesterday, but I really think we were " robbed " with ours - and the TV replay looked even more convincing. You can't blame an official for a genuine error, but that was bad and the offside decision against Rickie Lambert.... was clearly wrong.
grezz Posted 1 September, 2013 Posted 1 September, 2013 The OP stated that we haven't scored in a league game, in open play... I would class a crossed free kick, headed in on goal as a set piece.. It is in anyone's language. When clubs practice set pieces around the box it usually involves having someone to stick it away. They don't just cross it into the box and start patting each other on the back.
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