Norwich Post Match Reaction

[hypochondriac]

SWF logic: A narrow win and we're brilliant; a narrow defeat and we're sh1te

 

The fickle world of internet football forums.

 

We were ****e today but not always. Our slow buildup play has to be dressed and for me the answer is another player.

[Georgie]

Utter rubbish today. That's what happens when you don't/can't play your first choice full backs. There was nothing going forward down the wings and we looked so weak, especially at left back, when they attacked us down the wings.

Fox is not a Premier League player. As well as Chambers has played so far I would start Clyne next game. I would also be tempted to bring Cork back in, unless obviously we sell him. (Which would be an absolutely stupid decision)

Osvaldo looks too light weight to me at the moment.

Lallana was one of our best players today then we bloody went and took him off! After that we created nothing.

At the moment it's really not looking good.

Edited 31 August, 2013 by Georgie

[NickG]

Is there anyone who genuinely thought we were top 6 quality? Other than Nick G (with last season's squad).

 

That's what great about this forum.

 

People more exciting lying and childish spats than talking football.

 

I didn't think last season's squad would finish top 6, I don't think this one will.

 

I think we will be top ten so relax as much more likely to be right than the unrealistic doom and gloom merchants.

 

Listened to Solent who seemed to think we deserved to win more than Norwich?? Interested to hear from those who went.

 

Thought fox was strange choice after Clyne's performance.

 

Looks like we are a way from knowing best side and way of playing which concerns me but still early days.

 

Young squad is likely to be inconsistent.

 

Sounds like unlucky with key decisions again.

 

Lacking clear chances. Not clinical.

[solentstars]

thought we did ok and it was a Close game that could have gone either way and it was a good sign that we can go away and perform like that before we would have been under the cosh when playing away. good signs but side still looks like work in progress.

[trousers]

thought we did ok and it was a Close game that could have gone either way and it was a good sign that we can go away and perform like that before we would have been under the cosh when playing away. good signs but side still looks like work in progress.

 

Far too pragmatic for this thread I'm afraid. Have another go but add a few more negatives.

[Saints boy in Leeds]

Still only 3 points off top.

[LGTL]

We had a stonewall penalty turned down though. He caught it pretty much.

[trousers]

Still only 3 points off top.

 

Hush now you glass half full optimist!

[Shanghai Saint]

Is Clyne still unfit/carrying a knock? I don't know why MP is persisting with Chambers. I agree with blooding the kids but he has already showed that he can be got at with pace and Redmond was all over him today. Clyne would have shut him down.

[Roger]

Is Clyne still unfit/carrying a knock? I don't know why MP is persisting with Chambers. I agree with blooding the kids but he has already showed that he can be got at with pace and Redmond was all over him today. Clyne would have shut him down.

 

Was an incredible decision by the manager.

[trousers]

We had a stonewall penalty turned down though. He caught it pretty much.

 

This. 3rd clear cut penalty decision to go against us this far this season.

[Mr Dad]

There were 3 penalty decisions not given by Webb. One for us and two for Norwich.

Fonte just dived in front of Snodgrass. It wasn't a body check.

Even if Adam had been slightly luckier, we would still have lost.

Norwich deserved the win for their slightly more agressive play in the second half.

I still think Dani will produce some spectacular goals once he has settled in.

Top six? Not this year but I don't think we will be faced with another relegation battle towards the end of the season.

It looks more like a consolidation year to me. We have spent all the money on keeping us in the premiership rather than guaranteeing a high finish.

A long season still to go though so things could change. We can't afford for things to get worse though.

[Pastor Patrón]

Wanyama was utter sh#te. Lambert and Osvaldo were a complete waste of space. JWP and the centre backs were the only players who ha a good game, centre backs looked rock solid tbf. I think Lamberts pretty much had his day, and as good as Osvaldo might be he's clearly an enormous ****

[adrian lord]

Cortese will be in a black mood tonight. Awkward phone call to be put in from MP on the coach home.

[WealdSaint]

There were 3 penalty decisions not given by Webb. One for us and two for Norwich.

Fonte just dived in front of Snodgrass. It wasn't a body check.

Even if Adam had been slightly luckier, we would still have lost.

Norwich deserved the win for their slightly more agressive play in the second half.

I still think Dani will produce some spectacular goals once he has settled in.

Top six? Not this year but I don't think we will be faced with another relegation battle towards the end of the season.

It looks more like a consolidation year to me. We have spent all the money on keeping us in the premiership rather than guaranteeing a high finish.

A long season still to go though so things could change. We can't afford for things to get worse though.

 

Yup....I'd go along with that

[trousers]

Wanyama was utter sh#te. Lambert and Osvaldo were a complete waste of space. JWP and the centre backs were the only players who ha a good game, centre backs looked rock solid tbf. I think Lamberts pretty much had his day, and as good as Osvaldo might be he's clearly an enormous ****

 

I wouldn't put it quite as negatively as that but I wouldn't have had Lambert in the starting 11

[.comsaint]

I'm still puzzled as to why Lallana was dragged off??? We went from fairly sh1t to utterly sh1t once he was subbed. Pochettino takes the rap for that strange decision.

 

Please can we have Cork back in the middle too. If he goes to Fulham, I will be utterly deflated & bemused.

[Pastor Patrón]

I wouldn't put it quite as negatively as that but I wouldn't have had Lambert in the starting 11

 

Excluding penalties how many goals has he scored in the league since January? He's finished

[Saints foreva]

Excluding penalties how many goals has he scored in the league since January? He's finished

 

Do penalties not count as goals then?

[Window Cleaner]

Do penalties not count as goals then?

 

not when the ref won't give you any.

[UpweySaint]

So ... we dont seem to be getting much help from the officials so far this season!

 

Nevertheless a point or more was there for the taking and im dissapointed once again we couldnt create enough clear cut chances.

 

The first two subs frankly left me baffled, Lallana was having one of his better games and looked most likely to create whereas having two strikers up top just was not working. Osavaldo looks to not yet be on the same wavelength as others and probably should have came off earlier. Why Wanayama stayed on instead of Morgan I will never know. MPs post match will be interesting for sure.

 

My biggest concern was with us seeming to be attempting to go "like for like" with Norwich as it were. Tactically we got it wrong with Osvaldo and Lambert seeing very little of the ball in the right areas and our play rarely pushed into the space left by Redmond and Snodgrass getting forward. Last year when we played them we kept trying to play through the middle and Turner/Bassong were solid yet we tried exactly the same again and came up short, lessons to be learnt ...

 

Positives though Chambers looked decent, JWPs dead ball delivery looks a real asset, Lallana looks back to his best (I hope!), Lovren barely puts a foot wrong and Boruc genuinely fills me with confidence.

[buctootim]

Excluding penalties how many goals has he scored in the league since January? He's finished

 

Playing him as sole striker in front of a five man midfield who average one goal every two games between them is the real problem.

[itchen_dan]

Excluding penalties how many goals has he scored in the league since January? He's finished

 

If correct - 8 goals since January, 3 were penalties, 2 were free kicks, that leaves 3 from open play. Not good enough IMO from a striker. Just doesn't fit the system we now use unfortunately.

 

8 came in the first half of the season, 3 of those were penalties, so throughout the last campaign, Lambert scored 6 from open play ( 1 of the goals since Jan was WBA this season - ANOTHER PENALTY ). That means Jay scored the same amount from open play, playing from a wide left role, and playing less minutes than Lambert did. Surprising isn't it when you put some perspective on it?!

Edited 31 August, 2013 by itchen_dan

[melmacian_saint]

Please can we have Cork back in the middle too. If he goes to Fulham, I will be utterly deflated & bemused.

 

Starting to think a move was the reason why he sat beside the team today. Fulham do seem to need some young blood pumped into them. Just saying...

[S-Clarke]

Watching Puncheon running at and beating players in the Palace game, is leaving me somewhat frustrated.

[ToreSF]

Is our tactic really to be so slow with the ball when we are attacking? Could se it work in spain or italy, but not in the EPL.

[IOWSaintDaz]

Is it me or were we total sh!t today?

 

Gaston should stay in Uruguay next week as he was just awful out there Lallana was far better at least trying to supply the front and creating chances but got the hook for Gaston, Cork should start too, we still have to play the big boys and if we lose in the manner we did today against a equally ranked opponent we will surely be on the receiving end of a walloping. Work to be done still and a Winger required before Monday's deadline would be nice too, Sort it MP

[Saints boy in Leeds]

Hush now you glass half full optimist!

 

Thanks for letting me know my position mate

[Pastor Patrón]

I usually don't like gaston but he looked lively when he came on. Better then Davis and Rodriguez

[.comsaint]

I usually don't like gaston but he looked lively when he came on. Better then Davis and Rodriguez

 

I take it you're on about the Barnsley game and not today's guff at Carrow Road???

[Saint Without a Halo]

We need the Morgan Jack combination back also I fail to se what the point was of taking off our only two players who had the skill to make something happen in lallana and Osvaldo. In fact Lallana was probably our best player today so why take him off?

Edited 31 August, 2013 by Saint Without a Halo

[ART]

Lambert and Osvaldo cancel each other out in Pochettino's game plan. Even I will admit Lallana played well till he approached goal. Then he failed in his passing. Gaston should be on a plane to Inter tonight to sign for them. Both Shaw and Clyne were available and on the bench. I feel Shaw would have struggled today had he played.

 

I repeat again, we no longer know how to score and we have top strikers at the club not to mention the unspeakables who aren't even in the reckoning. Pochettino's had 20 games and only 4 wins. Compare's with his global record in management. Unless things quickly click into place, Cortese will take action which will unleash the biggest disaster since administration under various chairmen. He's sadly too entrenched and if he goes, so does many others, although Jesus Perez seems to know better what he's doing.

F*ck having international players. They nearly always are the undoing of our success in the long run. Injuries, absences, getting too big for their own good.

Edited 31 August, 2013 by ART

[The Kraken]

That's what great about this forum.

 

People more exciting lying and childish spats than talking football.

 

I didn't think last season's squad would finish top 6, I don't think this one will.

 

Sorry NickG, I guess I read your original post wrong.

 

What is your personal view on a fair target league placing for this current squad next season?

 

As we sit 12th after the start we had, not having Yoshida, Ramirez and Boruc at start of season, rapid development of Clyne, Shaw, Rodriguez, plus players like Cork, Morgan, Puncheon, Ramirez, Lallana still under peak ages...

 

I would look at target of 6-9th

 

I guess when I heard you say we should target 6th I thought you meant we could finish 6th.

 

I thought that when you target something, you do so because it can be realistically achieved.

 

I didn't know you thought we should target 6th without actually believing we would achieve it.

 

That was my mistake.

 

I'm glad you clarified it.

 

In sentences.

 

With spaces in between them.

 

Good.

[alpine_saint]

Lambert and Osvaldo cancel each other out in Pochettino's game plan. Even I will admit Lallana played well till he approached goal. Then he failed in his passing. Gaston should be on a plane to Inter tonight to sign for them. Both Shaw and Clyne were available and on the bench. I feel Shaw would have struggled today had he played.

 

I repeat again, we no longer know how to score and we have top strikers at the club not to mention the unspeakables who aren't even in the reckoning. Pochettino's had 20 games and only 4 wins. Compare's with his global record in management. Unless things quickly click into place, Cortese will take action which will unleash the biggest disaster since administration under various chairmen. He's sadly too entrenched and if he goes, so does many others, although Jesus Perez seems to know better what he's doing.

F*ck having international players. They nearly always are the undoing of our success in the long run. Injuries, absences, getting too big for their own good.

 

Yeah, this post strikes a chord with me.

[alpine_saint]

Sorry NickG, I guess I read your original post wrong.

 

What is your personal view on a fair target league placing for this current squad next season?

 

As we sit 12th after the start we had, not having Yoshida, Ramirez and Boruc at start of season, rapid development of Clyne, Shaw, Rodriguez, plus players like Cork, Morgan, Puncheon, Ramirez, Lallana still under peak ages...

 

I would look at target of 6-9th...[/quote]

 

I guess when I heard you say we should target 6th I thought you meant we could finish 6th.

 

I thought that when you target something, you do so because it can be realistically achieved.

 

I didn't know you thought we should target 6th without actually believing we would achieve it.

 

That was my mistake.

 

I'm glad you clarified it.

 

In sentences.

 

With spaces in between them.

 

Good.

 

[Tiverton Saint]

I think the whole team set up has changed to accommodate Osvaldo and to split up the best central midfield pairing in the Premiership latest year

is totally crazy, Cork must be totally gutted at not even making the bench!

[Mr Saints]

First defeat of the season. Not worried, we have enough quality

[St Marco]

A simple case of not taking the chances when they come and having way too many bad decisions go against us. In the first three games we have had two legit goals disallowed, two clear penalties and some terrible offside calls. That is part of football and in some degree happens to all clubs. If we got the stone wall penalty today and Adam hit the net instead of the post we would of won. Did we deserve to lose that game? Not at all. I think even the most biased Norwich fans would agree they got very lucky.

 

Not worried at all. 58% ball possession, 15 shots or something like that, and some more good performances from the nippers. A far cry from where we were this time last year. Different day different result. That is football.

[The Kraken]

A simple case of not taking the chances when they come and having way too many bad decisions go against us. In the first three games we have had two legit goals disallowed, two clear penalties and some terrible offside calls. That is part of football and in some degree happens to all clubs. If we got the stone wall penalty today and Adam hit the net instead of the post we would of won. Did we deserve to lose that game? Not at all. I think even the most biased Norwich fans would agree they got very lucky.

 

Not worried at all. 58% ball possession, 15 shots or something like that, and some more good performances from the nippers. A far cry from where we were this time last year. Different day different result. That is football.

[Saint Without a Halo]

We were slow ponderous and lacking in that final ball.We made few chances and persisted with pretty football in front of a massed Norwich defence. a poor day at the office and a poor start considering we had Sunderland at home and Norwich away WBA could have gone either way. Palace seem to be all over Sunderland at the moment and that is really worrying!

[Roger]

A simple case of not taking the chances when they come and having way too many bad decisions go against us. In the first three games we have had two legit goals disallowed, two clear penalties and some terrible offside calls. That is part of football and in some degree happens to all clubs. If we got the stone wall penalty today and Adam hit the net instead of the post we would of won. Did we deserve to lose that game? Not at all. I think even the most biased Norwich fans would agree they got very lucky.

 

Not worried at all. 58% ball possession, 15 shots or something like that, and some more good performances from the nippers. A far cry from where we were this time last year. Different day different result. That is football.

 

You're wrong. We had 8 shots and they had ten. We have no pace in team. Last season we had man city away and tough fixtures and were learning with the 35 million spent since.

[The Kraken]

You're wrong. We had 8 shots and they had ten. We have no pace in team. Last season we had man city away and tough fixtures and were learning with the 35 million spent since.

Not that pace is the be all and end all of a footballer; not even slightly. But I think you're right: who was our quickest player on the pitch today? Normally it would be JRod but without him, who? Can't see that Lallana and JWP are all that quick. Morgan and Wanyama, not so much. Chambers and Fox don't seem overly blessed, although neither are slow. Ossie? Its certainly not Rickie....

[revolution saint]

Didn't seem to be any passion or willingness to win the ball today. For all the plaudits we get for our pressing game it dosesn't really seem to be there and hasn't for a while now. In fact the tag seems to be working against us as other teams look as if they are expecting a tough game (which we don't give them). Passing was also sloppy from virtually everyone.

 

I guess we could all argue about formations and player selections as much as we want but for me those considerations are secondary if we don't have a team that is committed and it didn't look like that today. Someone needs to give the players a right b0ll0cking after that performance and hopefully they'll get some of that desire back and stop believing the hype. i would exclude Boruc, Lovren and Fonte though who all did their job.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Puncheon and Palace showing the pace we are missing!

[ericofarabia]

Very frustrating performance, not helped by some of the most woeful displays of ofiiciating from all 3 whankers in grey.

Numerous wrong throw in decisions, Osvaldo getting an elbow in the face, the save of the season by the defender missed by Webb who was only yards away, the offside against Rickie when he was at least a yard onside, and another one where he didn't go for the ball so wasn't interfering with play (admittedly I'm not up to speed with the new rules but I thought you had to touch the ball to be called offside), throw in over ruled by Webb (Hurrah a correct decision!!) every challenge by us equalled a free kick (many did, but similar Norwich tackles didn't!!). I think the Fonte challenge was a pen, but if ours had been given earlier I think the game would have been very different.

 

We were a shadow of ourselves today, out pressed by Norwich, and no killer balls / runs in the final third. If Shaw and Clyne were good enough for the bench, surely they should be fit enough to start. No width, and no final delivery from overlaps. Lallana substitution WTF. Yet with a bit of luck a point or even all 3 could have been ours.

 

For once an international break has come at a good time ... except for the fact most of the team will be away on international duty .... eeeek!!

[St Marco]

You're wrong. We had 8 shots and they had ten. We have no pace in team. Last season we had man city away and tough fixtures and were learning with the 35 million spent since.

 

Interesting as Sky say we had 11 http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287313/stats and bbc say we had 14 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23822700

 

But hey whatever

[Roger]

Clyne and shaw are our quickest players and puncheon was up there too. None of them were on the pitch=trouble!

[Hedgehog]

We had a bad day at the office, hopefully the team can gel together. Although it doesn't help that where as in the past the international break would have given the manager time to work on things, nowadays many of them will be on international duty. A downside of having so called better players?

Some on here are worried about where the goals are coming from, but if you look at the Premier league table no team is scoring freely at the moment.

Look at the Manure Chelsea game and that was poor, very poor. Is it a case that teams have all started poorly. A few more weeks and then we should be passing judgement.

[70's Mike]

Watching Puncheon running at and beating players in the Palace game, is leaving me somewhat frustrated.

 

This we only have Lallana who takes defenders on,

[Saint Charlie]

One positive for me today was Lovren: looked absolutely superb I thought and the central defence looked good to me.

 

Main issue for me today was that the full backs offered nothing going forward and we looked slow and ponderous in attack. For me, Jay needs to start on the left.