Rupert Lowe - underhand dealings from beyond the realms of football

[Saint-Armstrong]

So as to tread carefully...

 

The following thread/post is drawn from not606 forum user 'Lovelocum', which can be viewed at the following link: http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/227023-Rupert-Lowe-underhand-dealings-from-beyond-the-realms-of-football!

 

 

Below is a screenshot of his post...

 

 

[angelman]

Can't see why Lowe should pay for the damage caused by the stalker, and if my tenant brought that upon my house, in all honesty I would ask them to leave as well. Repairs and cleaning might well have eaten most of the £1500 up. So what exactly is the problem, save for an obvious dislike for Lowe? There has been no con as far as I can see it, and I note that the violins have come out for a lone parent.

[angelman]

As it is, I wonder how much Lovecum is spending on solicitors to get most of the £1500 back?

[Saint_clark]

Do people really hire professional carpet and oven cleaners when moving out of a rented property...?

In answer to the reply above, if this guy has been found guilty of harassment and criminal damage then neither the mother or the landlord should pay for the damage surely?

[OfnPanad]

Can't see why Lowe should pay for the damage caused by the stalker, and if my tenant brought that upon my house, in all honesty I would ask them to leave as well. Repairs and cleaning might well have eaten most of the £1500 up. So what exactly is the problem, save for an obvious dislike for Lowe? There has been no con as far as I can see it, and I note that the violins have come out for a lone parent.

 

F**k me that's cold! Who asks for a stalker?!!

 

I can understand wanting no part of it but its harsh to say she brought it! The legal fees will be covered by the losing party so if he is sure they can prove they are in the right, then it's worth the outlay. She probably qualifies for legal aid too.

 

It's the kind of thing that you want to believe about Rupert and have no trouble doing so! The court will make its decision but it sounds quite dodgy to be waiting months and be given a vague answer. Any money docked from the deposit either has to be agreed before it is spent and/or properly receipted.

[oldskoolsi]

Pretty simple to ask to see receipts for cleaning and decorating. Never get a rented place professionally cleaned as the landlord will always get it professionally cleaned themselves. Any decorating that is done for asthetic reasons the tenant is not liable for. If it's to cover up damage or marks above usual wear and tear then you have to pay for it too. Hopefully whoever it is photographed every inch of the place before they moved out as proof.

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

I've rented about half a dozen properties, all bar one of the landlords kept the deposits for spurious claims. In the end I would take photos of the property when we moved in and take them to the small claims court to retrieve the deposit. I would start a small claim action against Lowe as he's probably too busy to appear.

[Faz]

This football forum is not really the place for this is it? Whatever the rights and wrongs of it.

[slickmick]

Two sides to every story.

[Fan The Flames]

When I was renting the deposit was a months rent so I never paid my last months rent, simple. I may be different now.

[hutch]

Putting everything else to one side, if I read it correctly the claimant isn't actually the tenant in the lease, and may not actually have paid the deposit in the first place.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

A few things:

 

1. Why should Lowe pay for the damage if there is causation on the girls side?

2. Why would Lowe want a tenant that is going to cost him money?

3. Who paid for the house repairs?

4. Who paid the house deposit?

5. I know someone who got harassed. They received £60k in compensation. I suggest she follow that route of litigation.

[corky morris]

Why?? Because in a decent society which is not all about property rights (oops, it is) a landlord would sit down with the tenant & discuss ways that they could work together to help her & his beloved property.

Following on from these questions you may well ask about her family paying him compensation for her being murdered in his property.

It all about the money!!!! No wonder society is fu ck ed!!!! Absolutely no compassion!!!

 

A few things:

 

1. Why should Lowe pay for the damage if there is causation on the girls side?

2. Why would Lowe want a tenant that is going to cost him money?

3. Who paid for the house repairs?

4. Who paid the house deposit?

5. I know someone who got harassed. They received £60k in compensation. I suggest she follow that route of litigation.

[sotonist]

in your idea of a decent society the investment property would have a lower capital value and there would be more rom for a landlord to exercise discretion in such cases.

 

in actuality it's not the landlord's job.

[stardustonmyfeet]

Locked in a court battle? That's an impressive way to describe an afternoon down at the small claims court.

[moonraker]

This has absouloutly nothing to do with Saints and should be locked or moved to the lounge.

[Gemmel]

A member of staff had a personal tragedy , which he paid out of his own pocket to resolve (Make the best out of an awful situation). He might not have been a great chairman, but he is not the ogre some people make out.

[The9]

Why?? Because in a decent society which is not all about property rights (oops, it is) a landlord would sit down with the tenant & discuss ways that they could work together to help her & his beloved property.

Following on from these questions you may well ask about her family paying him compensation for her being murdered in his property.

It all about the money!!!! No wonder society is fu ck ed!!!! Absolutely no compassion!!!

 

Should have let her live there for free, IMHO. Maybe cooked her some meals, or taken the family out to a nice restaurant. Bought her a car, that kind of thing. So heartless.

 

[The9]

A member of staff had a personal tragedy , which he paid out of his own pocket to resolve (Make the best out of an awful situation). He might not have been a great chairman, but he is not the ogre some people make out.

 

Damn your balance Gemmel, this thread is for people who hate Lowe to talk a load of crap.

[The9]

This has absouloutly nothing to do with Saints and should be locked or moved to the lounge.

 

Muppet Show would be more appropriate.

[hypochondriac]

Two sides to every story.

 

Yeah this. I highly doubt they hired professional carpet and oven cleaners otherwise it would have eaten up a fair amount of the deposit.

[corky morris]

Yep, woman gets stalked - who gives a ****.............................as i say loads of compassion.

Trying to help her (if possible) showing understanding & being a decent human being - leads to new car, rent free & buying her dinner........................weird logic that!

 

Should have let her live there for free, IMHO. Maybe cooked her some meals, or taken the family out to a nice restaurant. Bought her a car, that kind of thing. So heartless.

 

[The9]

Yep, woman gets stalked - who gives a ****.............................as i say loads of compassion.

Trying to help her (if possible) showing understanding & being a decent human being - leads to new car, rent free & buying her dinner........................weird logic that!

 

More logic than you've got. So what you're saying is that if I have a tenant at my property I should be expected to basically give them anything they want on the premise that what they're saying about the damage to the property is true, and that I should take it upon myself to cover the costs, thereby rendering any reason for renting the property out in the first case utterly redundant ?

 

That would lead to there not being any rental properties due to massive amounts of tenant fraud.

 

That admittedly does solve the problem here, but also creates massive homelessness and poverty amongst people who can't afford to buy houses. Is that what you want ?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Yep, woman gets stalked - who gives a ****.............................as i say loads of compassion.

Trying to help her (if possible) showing understanding & being a decent human being - leads to new car, rent free & buying her dinner........................weird logic that!

 

Why should he do that? Have you EVER heard of a landlord doing that? It's not the way the world works, never has and never will. Of course you can empathise with the situation, but I don't believe the story is true, certainly as written above.

[pangy]

This is my cousin that rented the house

[nathan]

Can I just say the story the 'pasted' original poster has given is complete ********. This is not how mydeposits or the dps work. If there wasn't agreement on the repayment of the deposit it goes to arbitration if both parties agree for that process. If not it is held with them until a court order tells them otherwise.

 

I just don't understand why 'lovelocum' would bother to make something up that can so easily be proved wrong?

 

Also, just to add Rupert Lowe once ate my hamster.

[nathan]

This is my cousin that rented the house

 

Well, then you should probably ask your cousin why they've made up this story.

[Saint Without a Halo]

This concerns a small court dispute and we only have one sides view of what the facts are! What has it to do with football?

[View From The Top]

A woman gets stalked and TSW don't give a fu.ck.

 

Football team doesn't play in stripes and TSW cry like 5yo kids.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

A woman gets stalked and TSW don't give a fu.ck.

 

Football team doesn't play in stripes and TSW cry like 5yo kids.

 

Somebody makes up a story with glaring inconsistencies and expects to be taken seriously, of course TSW doesn't give a ****.

[corky morris]

What utter bo ll ocks!! You are making yourself look stupid. What I am saying is that a woman's safety is more important than money or property!

This could all be made - up, I don't know, but I would happily lose £2000 if it meant a woman was safe in her home & not stalked by some freak.

 

 

More logic than you've got. So what you're saying is that if I have a tenant at my property I should be expected to basically give them anything they want on the premise that what they're saying about the damage to the property is true, and that I should take it upon myself to cover the costs, thereby rendering any reason for renting the property out in the first case utterly redundant ?

 

That would lead to there not being any rental properties due to massive amounts of tenant fraud.

 

That admittedly does solve the problem here, but also creates massive homelessness and poverty amongst people who can't afford to buy houses. Is that what you want ?

[OldNick]

why has he posted the story on the internet? surely it should be dealt with by solicitors. I have seen many of these stories in the past and there is normally the other side that needs listening to as well.

I assume the £1500 is for damage and mess caused by the tenant.(although it does seem quite a lot) Was the rent paid in full?

Whilst I sympathise regarding the stalker, should the landlord have to pay for any damage caused???

I am not a landlord by the way and so that is not why I am showing sympathy on that side.

[sotonist]

What utter bo ll ocks!! You are making yourself look stupid. What I am saying is that a woman's safety is more important than money or property!

This could all be made - up, I don't know, but I would happily lose £2000 if it meant a woman was safe in her home & not stalked by some freak.

I'm lost... where in the story would £2000 stop the stalker?

[Patrick Bateman]

A woman gets stalked and TSW don't give a fu.ck.

 

Football team doesn't play in stripes and TSW cry like 5yo kids.

 

Excellent summary ... (whether the story is true or not!)

[Lord Duckhunter]

Unless old Rupeey was the stalker, its not really much of a story.

[St Marco]

A few years back a similar thing happened to me (not the stalker part). While searching for a new house I rented a property for a year. Was only a two bedroom flat. Long story short when it was time to leave I paid for a professional cleaning service to come wash the entire house. Clean the carpets, make sure all appliances work etc. This cost me about £300. A lot of money you might think?

 

When it came to handing the keys back the landlord seemed fine, looked at the flat, said everything looked new and said he would return the deposit. Lo and behold a week later I get a letter from him saying the fridge was broken, there was a crack in the shower glass, there was a hole in one of the carpets. Of the £1200 deposit he wanted to keep £1000 to cover the costs. Naturally I was shocked and thought no chance in hell that is happening. A few more weeks went past and I heard from his solicitor. At that point I decided it was time to hand it over to my solicitor too. After we showed them photos of the flat after we left which showed what he said was not true and the cleaning/maintenance service acting as witnesses he caved in. He said "There must of been a mistake somewhere in communication".

 

Most people would of thought "thank god that is over" and just leave it. We didn't. We found out he had done this to the previous tenants too so we jointly took him to court for damages and he lost.

 

Now the point of me telling that story is that by going through that case I learnt a valuable lesson about private renting. A lot of landlords are ****ing crooks who think they are entitled to the deposit money no matter what condition the house is in. Some would go even so far as to create damage to their own property and then try and scare you with legal action so you get scared and pay up. Now I am not saying Lowe has done that, but do I believe he has that side to his character? Someone who would happily take money from someone for pretty much nothing? Without a shadow of a doubt...

[Unbelievable Jeff]

A few years back a similar thing happened to me (not the stalker part). While searching for a new house I rented a property for a year. Was only a two bedroom flat. Long story short when it was time to leave I paid for a professional cleaning service to come wash the entire house. Clean the carpets, make sure all appliances work etc. This cost me about £300. A lot of money you might think?

 

When it came to handing the keys back the landlord seemed fine, looked at the flat, said everything looked new and said he would return the deposit. Lo and behold a week later I get a letter from him saying the fridge was broken, there was a crack in the shower glass, there was a hole in one of the carpets. Of the £1200 deposit he wanted to keep £1000 to cover the costs. Naturally I was shocked and thought no chance in hell that is happening. A few more weeks went past and I heard from his solicitor. At that point I decided it was time to hand it over to my solicitor too. After we showed them photos of the flat after we left which showed what he said was not true and the cleaning/maintenance service acting as witnesses he caved in. He said "There must of been a mistake somewhere in communication".

 

Most people would of thought "thank god that is over" and just leave it. We didn't. We found out he had done this to the previous tenants too so we jointly took him to court for damages and he lost.

 

Now the point of me telling that story is that by going through that case I learnt a valuable lesson about private renting. A lot of landlords are ****ing crooks who think they are entitled to the deposit money no matter what condition the house is in. Some would go even so far as to create damage to their own property and then try and scare you with legal action so you get scared and pay up. Now I am not saying Lowe has done that, but do I believe he has that side to his character? Someone who would happily take money from someone for pretty much nothing? Without a shadow of a doubt...

 

Have you ever met Lowe to make that kind of judgement? The reason I say this is because I have met him many times, and a good friends Mum was his Secretary from 1997-2003, and had nothing but good things to say about him. Whatever the lazy stereotype of him is, he is not the character you are making him out to be.

[Charlie Wayman]

Saint armstrong is barking up the wrong tree with this story. Not much sympathy evident and a slanted version of what happened doesn't help. You'd be amazed how may rented properties get trashed and the tenants disappear leaving landlords with thousands to fork out. Ok, we don't really have the story on this one but mr lowe's people are only looking after his interests, i doubt he every knew anything about it probably handled by the letting agency and one of lowe's junior minions.

[Alain Perrin]

What utter bo ll ocks!! You are making yourself look stupid. What I am saying is that a woman's safety is more important than money or property!

This could all be made - up, I don't know, but I would happily lose £2000 if it meant a woman was safe in her home & not stalked by some freak.

 

Thanks Corky. You can help my friend here. She needs £2000. Trust me it's true. Send your details to the below and she'll get in touch.

 

sayinganddoingaretwodifferentthings@agentskeepdepositslandlordsgetbalance.com

[Grey Crab]

This is my cousin that rented the house

 

What a coincidence! It's my cousin that was stalking the girl that lived in that house! Small world, eh?

[scotty]

Rupert who?

[St Marco]

Have you ever met Lowe to make that kind of judgement? The reason I say this is because I have met him many times, and a good friends Mum was his Secretary from 1997-2003, and had nothing but good things to say about him. Whatever the lazy stereotype of him is, he is not the character you are making him out to be.

 

I myself have not met him no. But I knew people who worked at Saints when he was there and they didn't like him much. Remember the bringing in an anonymous letter thing? That is why I think it is within his character. But hey I could be wrong.

[corky morris]

Funny, because that sent me a link to imasmug****.com.....................It was good to see you maintain your No 1 status!!

 

Thanks Corky. You can help my friend here. She needs £2000. Trust me it's true. Send your details to the below and she'll get in touch.

 

sayinganddoingaretwodifferentthings@agentskeepdepositslandlordsgetbalance.com

[manji]

Whats Lowe done wrong here ? As far as I know he doesnt run a housing charity and its hardly his fault she split up with some demented low life who decided to stalk her.

[Mystic Force]

"SWF says victims of crime should suck it up"

 

This headline kind of sums up the earlier posts.

[Viking Warrior]

Should be on another forum . But I rented my house out down south . It got trashed . No rent paid the management agency screwed up getting them out despite telling me everything would okay . It cost me a fortune in legal fees and repairs . So I know the other side of the fence . By the way I was renting another property where I was working . There are two sides to every story . Even my dell grass was ruined . That's the saints related bit

[Saint-Armstrong]

Saint armstrong is barking up the wrong tree with this story. Not much sympathy evident and a slanted version of what happened doesn't help. You'd be amazed how may rented properties get trashed and the tenants disappear leaving landlords with thousands to fork out. Ok, we don't really have the story on this one but mr lowe's people are only looking after his interests, i doubt he every knew anything about it probably handled by the letting agency and one of lowe's junior minions.

 

Not my story, just saw it over on another forum and asked the OP before posting it elsewhere.

 

It's clearly biased and I'd expect nothing else. It just raised a point for discussion and the guy has gone public.

[Colinjb]

Saint armstrong is barking up the wrong tree with this story. Not much sympathy evident and a slanted version of what happened doesn't help. You'd be amazed how may rented properties get trashed and the tenants disappear leaving landlords with thousands to fork out. Ok, we don't really have the story on this one but mr lowe's people are only looking after his interests, i doubt he every knew anything about it probably handled by the letting agency and one of lowe's junior minions.