ByTheGolacs Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 It 'almost' restores my faith in human nature. It appears that there are a few sensible, non-reactionary, non-bigoted fans on both sides after all http://www.portsmouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17077&posts=7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 They've put that as a front page article on their site and are discussing it sensibly. A real refuge of the damned! All credit to them for managing to maintain their sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Must be f.ucking eating them up inside to comment on that. Almost as bad for them as Rickie getting the winner against scotland for england. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 The only comfort for pompey fans right now is that they have the Trust involved in running the club, so it shouldn't ever get as bad again as it has been recently. Fair play to them for recognising that Southampton have been doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Would pompy as a feeder club ever work. They are at the right level and local (the new Bournemouth in that respect u could say). Alas though whilst professionally it should benefit both parties to many inbred fans would give the saint loanees a hard time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 It might be best to own your own training facilities before attempting a youth system. They need to concentrate on surviving until Christmas rather than indulging in pipe dreams about coulda, woulda, shoulda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Bless them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 You can go back over 40 years player like Martin Chivers, Terry Paine, Mike Channon and Nick Holmes who came through the youth system its not just the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Nice to see a club appreciate our youth system, i see some of them arguing about costs, for me personally if i was on pompeys board now, i would have open invites to any lad between 16-21 whos played wessex or higher to come along and try out for a u21 side, ok 1st batch of players may not be league two or one quality but you may find the odd gem and it will save them plenty of money, then build from there each year add the facilities, link up with colleges like Eastleigh and Basingstoke do, its all very simples, just a shame no one there has thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 It's a good post, and he's right of course when he says that we play so many youngsters not because we need to, but rather because we want to. An astute observation that ... well for a skate anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Must be f.ucking eating them up inside to comment on that. Almost as bad for them as Rickie getting the winner against scotland for england. Don't show your ignorance, there are many fans of both clubs who don't always see bad in each other. Some fans I know (not me) watch both clubs even 'though they're Saints fans through and through. Not everyone is a narrow minded bigot as you appear to be, many just love football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Don't show your ignorance, there are many fans of both clubs who don't always see bad in each other. Some fans I know (not me) watch both clubs even 'though they're Saints fans through and through. Not everyone is a narrow minded bigot as you appear to be, many just love football. Well said that man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 I particularly like one of the comments where the poster describes our academy situation as a 'virtuous circle'. He's right. Because of the successes in recent years of the likes of Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain; and because of our willingness to put our academy players into the first team, lots of kids (and more importantly, their parents) are going to look at what our academy has achieved and be more inclined to sign up with us if they have a choice of clubs to go to. That will only benefit us in the long run because it means we can pretty much pick and choose from the best available talent in our catchment area. I was visiting my girlfriend's family in Cumbria at the weekend, and her 10-year-old nephew is in the Everton youth setup (doing very well by all accounts). Even at his young age he acknowledges the success of our academy and said he would happily join us if he lived anywhere near Southampton. Although as one of the pompey fans on that thread mentioned, Everton also have a habit of turning up some gems from their academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Don't show your ignorance, there are many fans of both clubs who don't always see bad in each other. Some fans I know (not me) watch both clubs even 'though they're Saints fans through and through. Not everyone is a narrow minded bigot as you appear to be, many just love football. ..says the man who a couple of years ago decided to stop supporting saints and get an Arsenal season ticket instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Don't show your ignorance, there are many fans of both clubs who don't always see bad in each other. Some fans I know (not me) watch both clubs even 'though they're Saints fans through and through. Not everyone is a narrow minded bigot as you appear to be, many just love football. Only an utter c**t would do that. Or someone nearly as old as the dinosaurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Friend of mine is an academy coach at Port Vale and is gushing in his praise of us and Everton, not just because we produce excellent players, but we produce excellent, well balanced young men. What he loves though, is that we play them and always have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Friend of mine is an academy coach at Port Vale and is gushing in his praise of us and Everton, not just because we produce excellent players, but we produce excellent, well balanced young men. What he loves though, is that we play them and always have. Hmmm Shrek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Only an utter c**t would do that. Or someone nearly as old as the dinosaurs. Moron. Football doesn't have to be tribal. The best bit about the link is that almost everyone gave a reasonable opinion, something you'd never find on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Remarkably intelligently composed thread, that Pompey one. Hats off to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Football doesn't have to be tribal. Happy clappy w**ker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Remarkably intelligently composed thread, that Pompey one. Hats off to them. Unlike this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Unlike this one... Every club has it's fair share of bellends. I'm sure if you leave it long enough someone will come along to ruin the thread on that Pompey site. They will then feel embarrassed that it couldn't just be discussed without someone resorting to childish insults, just as we all feel embarrased to have View from the top post on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 You can go back over 40 years player like Martin Chivers, Terry Paine, Mike Channon and Nick Holmes who came through the youth system its not just the last 10 years. Also Waldron, Funnel, Baker, Moran, Williams, Le Tiss all three Wallaces, Bridge, Oakley, Baird, and many others too Even Bobby Stokes another boy from Pompey like Ward Prowse made it at Saints and the ones that got away and came back like Phillips and Wise Yes Saints have been bringing talent through for decades like Crewe, The old Westham and Everton clubs who traditiopnally bring through youth, attract good youth to them and therefore have more choice and chances of ultimate success. To have brought through the most expensively transferred player in the world is a real accolade to our success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Happy clappy w**ker. Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Also Waldron, Funnel, Baker, Moran, Williams, Le Tiss all three Wallaces, Bridge, Oakley, Baird, and many others too Even Bobby Stokes another boy from Pompey like Ward Prowse made it at Saints and the ones that got away and came back like Phillips and Wise Yes Saints have been bringing talent through for decades like Crewe, The old Westham and Everton clubs who traditiopnally bring through youth, attract good youth to them and therefore have more choice and chances of ultimate success. To have brought through the most expensively transferred player in the world is a real accolade to our success! Gosport raised Steve Mills and Steve Foster who was also at Saints as a youngster, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 You can go back over 40 years player like Martin Chivers, Terry Paine, Mike Channon and Nick Holmes who came through the youth system its not just the last 10 years. ^ This. In spades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Darren Anderton...Bitterne Park boy...slipped through the net to Pompey.. Graham Roberts...Weston Park boy..slipped through the net to Spurs , Chelsea and Glasgow Rangers.....via Dorchester and Weymouth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 August, 2013 Share Posted 28 August, 2013 Alan Shearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 Alan Shearer. How did everyone miss him, the outstanding player of his generation......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanghai Saint Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 Interest comment on Redknapp. I'll never forget how he sold our youngsters down the road in a cup game just to shut those up asking for them to feature in the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 (edited) Interest comment on Redknapp. I'll never forget how he sold our youngsters down the road in a cup game just to shut those up asking for them to feature in the first team. This is very high on my long list of reason's why I hate that saggy two faced *****. It was Mansfield away, who were bottom of the entire football league, managerless and basically hopeless. Redkrap had resisted the calls to bring in any of the emerging youth into the stale starting XI in the league, and then made 11 changes to the last match a few days earlier, and picked a team of mainly inexperienced youth, supplemented only by low in confidence Delap and McCann. So a team picked by Redkrap, playing to his tactics and relying on him for his "motivational and player managerial skills" fell way short of the mark against the worst team in the league. Pretty obvious where the blame lies then isn't it ...... of course it is the players fault totally. Unbeleivably *****face used the game as an exercise in justifying why he hadn't picked any of them before, and virtually slagged them off saying that they weren't as good as they thought they were. Compere that with our whole Club ethos now. The youth players play the same style as the 1st XI and when selected, by choice, not neccessity, fit in seamlessly and get praise heaped upon them. As with the game on Tues the 3 who came on, were able to express themselves and play with confidence as the timing of their arrival was ideal, not scattergun approach ala Saggychops. Edited 29 August, 2013 by ericofarabia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 But, playing 'Devils Advocate' here, perhaps Redknapp was right because where are all those Mansfield game youngsters now? Playing in the lower leagues or back working for a living somewhere I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 Wtf? VFTT has certain issues with Pompey, so just ignore it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 So, why is it too late for them to start something similar ? Yes, it will take years to bear fruit, but they shouldnt bleat about water under the bridge, they should simply crack on and start their own initiative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 But, playing 'Devils Advocate' here, perhaps Redknapp was right because where are all those Mansfield game youngsters now? Playing in the lower leagues or back working for a living somewhere I suspect. Not quite. Cranie Mills Blackstock Dyer Gillet Walcott K Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 But, playing 'Devils Advocate' here, perhaps Redknapp was right because where are all those Mansfield game youngsters now? Playing in the lower leagues or back working for a living somewhere I suspect. How much did that saggy-faced bag of sh*t set their careers back though? Some players don't recover from a bad start like that and some do but take years and many clubs to do so. And all so he could say the kids are rubbish so the chairman would loosen the purse strings a bit. You can bet that's what the pr*ck was up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 A few weeks ago my lad referee'd at a tournament in Eastleigh, 2 x 6's from same Pompey team made the final, I was speaking to their manager about the side as they had some very good lads...not one was on Pompey books! She laughed when I asked why not....as I finished I looked up and a Saints scout was taking the name and number of her best player and chatting to his dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 Every club has it's fair share of bellends. I'm sure if you leave it long enough someone will come along to ruin the thread on that Pompey site. They will then feel embarrassed that it couldn't just be discussed without someone resorting to childish insults, just as we all feel embarrased to have View from the top post on here. In fairness we do seem to have more than our fair share of bellends....are we up to 2000 pages yet on the Pompey Takeover thread? :-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 pompeyrug Posted 29/8/2013 10:10 .... its been ANOTHER decent month statistics wise for VP, and ALOT more are getting involved again but that article had SUCH an impact Penton you would not believe! hits wise (not the main thing to base performance on mind) but that article led to a 3 times increase on the hits yesterday and the main area a 50% increase on the page impressions made. http://www.portsmouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17077&posts=7#ixzz2dMIfhMrM I wonder how that happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 In fairness we do seem to have more than our fair share of bellends....are we up to 2000 pages yet on the Pompey Takeover thread? :-o Probably the most well-balanced and reasonable threads on here. I assume you've never read it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 (edited) But, playing 'Devils Advocate' here, perhaps Redknapp was right because where are all those Mansfield game youngsters now? Playing in the lower leagues or back working for a living somewhere I suspect. I roll this out every so often. ALL of the starters still under the age of 33 are still contracted professional footballers apart from Baird, who has played in a Europa League Final since leaving, and Folly. The majority of the others have had Championship-level careers. No-one has crashed and burned directly as a result of this, but it's very difficult to make a case that chucking them all in at the same time with a few borderline first team pros was GOOD for them. P Smith - at Southend in L1 after playing mostly Championship with Forest M Cranie - at Barnsley (Championship) after bouncing around Championship and L1 D Kenton - now 34, retired in 2009 after joining Leicester, Leeds and Cheltenham - tangibly wasn't goo enough anyway. M Mills - career in the Championship with Doncaster, Reading, Leicester and now Bolton. C Baird - 31, played for Saints in Championship then Fulham in Prem for 6 years, now 31 and unsigned N McCann - 38 and retired having gone back to Scotland and played for 5 more years R Delap - managed another 6 years of mostly Prem football at Stoke, currently with Burton aged 37 Y Folly - now 28, played L1/L2 with Plymouth and Sheff Wed under Sturrock before moving to Aberdeen, released in 2012 T Walcott - Prem, Arsenal. N Dyer - now Prem with Swansea after leaving Saints and a few Championship seasons K Jones - Prem with Stoke, usually on the bench but sold for a big old profit D Blackstock - Championship career mainly QPR and Forest D McGoldrick - Forest bought him for a million and after a season or two in Championship mainly loaned him to L1 sides, now Championship again with Ipswich. S Gillett - Championship level with Doncaster and Forest M Tejera - who knows ? A McNeil - went to Hibs (30 appearances), Montrose, Raith and now at Livingston. If anything, the evidence is that almost all those players were good enough, but they all needed to be brought through gradually, supported by a body of experienced pros. For evidence of a side of "not good enough" youth teamers all chucked in at the same time, look to the Championship side of early 2008/9 (and overlook the 3-ish players on both lists) - or maybe they just didn't have enough experience to guide them. Edited 29 August, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 Probably the most well-balanced and reasonable threads on here. I assume you've never read it ? Oh I have - its the obsession we have with Pompey that gets me - just don't understand it - our admin and subsequent relegation to Div 1 seems to have given us a chip on our shoulder about Pompey and its not gone away since we returned to the PL and Pompey dropped down to Div 1. I find it absolutely bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 Oh I have - its the obsession we have with Pompey that gets me - just don't understand it - our admin and subsequent relegation to Div 1 seems to have given us a chip on our shoulder about Pompey and its not gone away since we returned to the PL and Pompey dropped down to Div 1. I find it absolutely bizarre Car crashes are also bizarre yet people stop and watch them. This is no different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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