Mabes Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Anyone think the current way of allocating these is unfair? Why not first come first served??... Just because someone has been to several more away games than other people they have priority? Shoulndt all season ticket holders be treated equally?? Not everyone can go to away games, due to financial restrictions, geography, family commitments etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 It's rewarding their loyalty. Seems the fairest way to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 well the points system was meant to happen to allocate tickets based on loyalty points but doesnt look like it will. only suggestion is to ask around for customer numbers of those not going to Liverpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Personally I believe it should be done on away games attended and STs should have no bearing on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_jas Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Personally I believe it should be done on away games attended and STs should have no bearing on the matter. I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 (edited) Agree that loyalty should be rewarded. I'm a season ticket holder but can't justify many away days at the moment. Those that put in the miles supporting Saints deserve the first option to continue to do so. I really want to do Manchester - not so much because of the prestige, more because I've got mates up there that keep telling me the nightlife is awesome so my partner and I would make a weekend of it. However if I can't secure tickets that's my own fault for failing to make enough fixtures beforehand. Edited 16 September, 2013 by ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowred&white Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 how does using others customer numbers work exactly. i'm a season ticket holder and i can only get to some away games due to working saturday mornings. i'm quite willing to help people obtain tickets for those matches i can't attend but obviously my customer numbers are linked to my payment details and my delivery address. would it simply be a case of me purchasing them and then selling them on to an agreed person(s). thanks very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabes Posted 27 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Yes loyalty should be rewarded, but is a season ticket not loyalty enough?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Yes loyalty should be rewarded, but is a season ticket not loyalty enough?? The tiered system is fine. If you go to lots of away games you get first dibs. ST holders still get a priority window before general sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 There is no fairer system than the current one. The only people moaning are those not getting priority; this will be the same with any system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 how does using others customer numbers work exactly. i'm a season ticket holder and i can only get to some away games due to working saturday mornings. i'm quite willing to help people obtain tickets for those matches i can't attend but obviously my customer numbers are linked to my payment details and my delivery address. would it simply be a case of me purchasing them and then selling them on to an agreed person(s). thanks very much you can link accounts online, for example I have about 7 numbers linked to my account so that myself and mates can get tickets at same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Would be nice if the points system actually works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 It probably is the best way of doing things to be honest. Doesn't work for me as I have to pick and choose the games I can go to when I'm on leave. No point in having a season ticket when I'm away for 3-4 months at a time. Slightly off topic but would like to see the return of memberships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 (edited) Anyone think the current way of allocating these is unfair? Why not first come first served??... Just because someone has been to several more away games than other people they have priority? Shoulndt all season ticket holders be treated equally?? Not everyone can go to away games, due to financial restrictions, geography, family commitments etc No, perfectly fair. All ST holders are being treated equally. It's people who show loyalty by going to away games who are then getting priority within that group. You can just as easily make the argument that ST holders who don't go to aways shouldn't have priority over non-ST holders who do. Edited 27 August, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Would be nice if the points system actually works. Ha, you wacky idealists with your nutty "working system" craziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 (edited) Yes loyalty should be rewarded, but is a season ticket not loyalty enough?? We've had this discussion loads of times, and pretty much everyone agrees that ST holders with previous attendance should get priority. It's not even a particularly high threshold, only 1/3 of last season's aways. Your argument that ST holders who don't go to many away games should get priority over non-ST holders who regularly go doesn't have much weight either, because lots of Saints fans live away from Southampton and you can make the same argument for them as you do for home fans going to away games : "Not everyone [living away] can go to home games, due to financial restrictions, geography, family commitments etc". You're already going to 23 matches, why shouldn't people who are near to aways and regularly go to them already get the chance to go ? If you live in the north west and go to a lot of aways it's ridiculous that someone who never goes to away games should get priority over you just because they get discount on your home games. Edited 27 August, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 how does using others customer numbers work exactly. i'm a season ticket holder and i can only get to some away games due to working saturday mornings. i'm quite willing to help people obtain tickets for those matches i can't attend but obviously my customer numbers are linked to my payment details and my delivery address. would it simply be a case of me purchasing them and then selling them on to an agreed person(s). thanks very much Yes. For example someone has bought my Liverpool tickets as they won't reach general sale. I just ping him the ££ via direct bank transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Anyone think the current way of allocating these is unfair? Why not first come first served??... Just because someone has been to several more away games than other people they have priority? Shoulndt all season ticket holders be treated equally?? Not everyone can go to away games, due to financial restrictions, geography, family commitments etc Why should someone who has never been to an away game, or fancies a trip to a big one, get priority over a fan that will be going to Hull on a tuesday night, for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Seems pretty fair to me, the only two complaints i'd have is that all the aways i did in the lower league weren't taken into account so we effectively "started again" in the premier league. Which doesn't really show the dedication some of us made in the championship/league one. My other complaint would be that i don't think season tickets should hold as much weight, it should be about the number of away games you've done first then season tickets plus away games, then season tickets, then general sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Seems pretty fair to me, the only two complaints i'd have is that all the aways i did in the lower league weren't taken into account so we effectively "started again" in the premier league. Which doesn't really show the dedication some of us made in the championship/league one. My other complaint would be that i don't think season tickets should hold as much weight, it should be about the number of away games you've done first then season tickets plus away games, then season tickets, then general sale. Can't really argue with that - they had a golden opportunity to prioritise the "hard core" with away attendance in L1, but changing the system from a crap one to a different crap one meant they lost a lot of detail in the data cleansing. Having said that, the system we have is FAR preferable to the systems the top sides use, all of which involve forking out more money to buy priority, which is admirable as far as capitalism goes, but pretty cack for recognising supporter loyalty. I suspect, unfortunately, that we'll be back to levels of membership as soon as we buy another new IT system which supports it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagegsaint Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 the current way of doing is the best way, don't see how it's unfair! It's rewarding loyalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 how does using others customer numbers work exactly. i'm a season ticket holder and i can only get to some away games due to working saturday mornings. i'm quite willing to help people obtain tickets for those matches i can't attend but obviously my customer numbers are linked to my payment details and my delivery address. would it simply be a case of me purchasing them and then selling them on to an agreed person(s). thanks very much Pretty much. It makes sense if you're a ST holder who wants to do a limited number of specific aways to get your purchases/priority up by using games you aren't personally going to. I had 3 STs last season and did 5 aways as well but not all were in my name so therefore I don't have any 'credit' from last season. (I have lots from L1 and the Champ tho!) Due to a combination of factors we haven't renewed this year but we're looking to do maybe 6-8 homes and 6-8 aways. I can take 2 or 3 tickets for pretty much most aways, and happy to pay a little something for your trouble. If anybody is looking to get their points up this way do give me a pm and will see what we can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 (edited) When big businesses can now gain a huge insight into our habits through data (from spending, website clicks, loyalty cards etc) which can drill right down into which products we buy at certain times in the week, depending on the weather etc, then it really is time for SFC to up its game. Away tickets should go to people with the highest overall loyalty score calculated by a data analysis system from the following factors: - home and away games attended on average per season since 1992 - kick off times for games attended (higher scores for evenings / lunchtimes) - distance travelled for all home and away games - weather conditions and average temperature per away game attended - ticket price paid; comparison to cost of living index in area of home postcode - travel problems encountered on the way home on the dates of all away matches - price of beer in the nearest pub to the away ground - quality of pies / hot dogs at away venues - amount spent on SFC merchandise per season - bonus score for number of away games attended when Saints lost; reduced points for draws and nil for wins (on this one alone, I personally will be near the top of the list for sure) Now that would be fair Edited 27 August, 2013 by Bucks Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 When big businesses can now gain a huge insight into our habits through data (from spending, website clicks, loyalty cards etc) which can drill right down into which products we buy at certain times in the week, depending on the weather etc, then it really is time for SFC to up its game. Away tickets should go to people with the highest overall loyalty score calculated by a data analysis system from the following factors: - home and away games attended on average per season since 1992 - kick off times for games attended (higher scores for evenings / lunchtimes) - distance travelled for all home and away games - weather conditions and average temperature per away game attended - ticket price paid; comparison to cost of living index in area of home postcode - travel problems encountered on the way home on the dates of all away matches - price of beer in the nearest pub to the away ground - quality of pies / hot dogs at away venues - amount spent on SFC merchandise per season - bonus score for number of away games attended when SFC lost; reduced points for draws Now that would be fair I assume you are taking the pish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 I assume you are taking the pish Now you mention it, queueing time at the toilets in the away end should be added to the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 how does using others customer numbers work exactly. i'm a season ticket holder and i can only get to some away games due to working saturday mornings. i'm quite willing to help people obtain tickets for those matches i can't attend but obviously my customer numbers are linked to my payment details and my delivery address. would it simply be a case of me purchasing them and then selling them on to an agreed person(s). thanks very much I can't PM you but I have a suggestion that may benefit both of us..........do you have an email? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 27 August, 2013 Share Posted 27 August, 2013 Personally I believe it should be done on away games attended and STs should have no bearing on the matter. Surely the person committing to all the home games should get priority over someone who does not commit to any games? I think the system is as fair as it can be as it rewards those who attend most games! The good news for those not able to get to those away tickets is that tonight's game is not to sold out so they can all go to see saints away! (although I suspect the argument is not about going to Barnsley or to see saints and more about going to anfield.) The argument is surely non existent anyway as away games are selling out to season ticket holders so surelybthat means those who have been to most aways are ST holders anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowred&white Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 I can't PM you but I have a suggestion that may benefit both of us..........do you have an email? hi you can email me at ianjo4036@sky.com thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 Surely the person committing to all the home games should get priority over someone who does not commit to any games? I think the system is as fair as it can be as it rewards those who attend most games! The good news for those not able to get to those away tickets is that tonight's game is not to sold out so they can all go to see saints away! (although I suspect the argument is not about going to Barnsley or to see saints and more about going to anfield.) The argument is surely non existent anyway as away games are selling out to season ticket holders so surelybthat means those who have been to most aways are ST holders anyway? I've no issue with ST who do away games having priority, but giving all ST holders priority over those who are non ST holders but actually go to away games is simply wrong. You seem to forget that 100s of us live north of Brum and during the dark days it was us who often made up the crowd for northern away games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 No mention of televised games in the calculation ? Or is that implied by kick off times ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 I don't think amount of away premier league games attended shows real loyalty. This should have been implemented when we were relegted to league 1. Fair enough the demand was less but in my opinion loyalty is a 16 year old lad working 4 hours a week and saving it up to go to one away game every other month in league 1 rather than someone that has the money but only the interest in a premier league outfit, but pays what is small change to them to get a season ticket and whatever away games they please. I also understand that the majority of our fans aren't like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 (edited) I've no issue with ST who do away games having priority, but giving all ST holders priority over those who are non ST holders but actually go to away games is simply wrong. You seem to forget that 100s of us live north of Brum and during the dark days it was us who often made up the crowd for northern away games! That's sort of my point? Some people living in birmingham for example travel less to some away games than I do to home games(30 miles each way) so why should they have preference over me if they do 6 midlands away and I do all homes me going to home games requires as much outlay/time for me than them going to 6 games on their doorstep. That's why I think it has to be season ticket holders first. Edited 29 August, 2013 by Saint-Fred Made no sense.....still doesn't doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 That's sort of my point? Some people living in birmingham for example travel less to some away games than I do to home games(30 miles each way) so why should they have preference over me if they do 6 midlands away and I do all homes me going to home games requires as much outlay/time for me than them going to 6 games on their doorstep. That's why I think it has to be season ticket holders first. 30 miles for a home game? ....... Luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 That's sort of my point? Some people living in birmingham for example travel less to some away games than I do to home games(30 miles each way) so why should they have preference over me if they do 6 midlands away and I do all homes me going to home games requires as much outlay/time for me than them going to 6 games on their doorstep. That's why I think it has to be season ticket holders first. You want to find me 6 premier games within 30 miles of Birmingham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 30 miles for a home game? ....... Luxury. I know many many do far more miles and deserve credit for that. I don't feel I do anything special and it's only 30 minutes anyway. I was just trying to point out that people travel for home games so just because someone can do more aways as they live up north do they deserve a ticket first? I can't see a fairer way than rewarding those committing to all the home games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 If Saints had have just taken the correct allocation then there wouldn't be any of these issues for most games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 I know many many do far more miles and deserve credit for that. I don't feel I do anything special and it's only 30 minutes anyway. I was just trying to point out that people travel for home games so just because someone can do more aways as they live up north do they deserve a ticket first? I can't see a fairer way than rewarding those committing to all the home games What part of ST who do away games getting priority is fair don't you understand? The point is, those of us who can be bothered to do the away games should get priority over the ST holders who don't do away games when tickets go on sale. Instead we are left scrambling around getting ST numbers from people and pinging cash all around the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 You want to find me 6 premier games within 30 miles of Birmingham? Hmmm you know I can't! But in the lower leagues there was a few more in that vicinity so the point sort of the stands? Anyway its 19 games at home v 6 away in the example and I never said they travel less to every game. Sorry if I made it sound like any fan is better or more deserving than anyone else it was not my intention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 It is the fairest system, but has one massive fault. Everybody ( including me ) is playing the "use my number" game. For example; I couldn't make wba, but because I promised my lad old Trafford this season, made sure that my number was used. Going to Norwich and Liverpool, so should be ok, but wanted to make 100% sure. By allowing my number to attend a match I couldn't, I stopped somebody else having that game on their record. My mate did the same number of aways as I did last year (9) but only 2 were on his number. He was away for city and couldn't get Arsenal, so never really caught up and kept using other guys numbers. It starts to become a bit of a closed shop , but the system drives people to want their numbers used regularly even if they dont go themselves. Personally I think a % of tickets should be kept back for general sale or maybe " linked" games. Eg went to Barnsley, you can have Man Utd priority. Even if its only a small amount, maybe 250 tickets , I think we need to let the occasional awaydayer have a ticket. Some people work and some have limited money but they're still passionate saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad Sam Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 So without wanting to appear thick... Are all away games selling out? I know Norwich sold out but I thought that was because the club only went for a small allocation. I work in Doncaster so I'd hoped to go to the Hull game (what with it being on a Tuesday night and in February and all) is that likely to sell out as well? I can't justify a season ticket, by the time I get home at weekends half the season is gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 It is the fairest system, but has one massive fault. Everybody ( including me ) is playing the "use my number" game. For example; I couldn't make wba, but because I promised my lad old Trafford this season, made sure that my number was used. Going to Norwich and Liverpool, so should be ok, but wanted to make 100% sure. By allowing my number to attend a match I couldn't, I stopped somebody else having that game on their record. My mate did the same number of aways as I did last year (9) but only 2 were on his number. He was away for city and couldn't get Arsenal, so never really caught up and kept using other guys numbers. It starts to become a bit of a closed shop , but the system drives people to want their numbers used regularly even if they dont go themselves. Personally I think a % of tickets should be kept back for general sale or maybe " linked" games. Eg went to Barnsley, you can have Man Utd priority. Even if its only a small amount, maybe 250 tickets , I think we need to let the occasional awaydayer have a ticket. Some people work and some have limited money but they're still passionate saints fans. Good post and I like your linked idea ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 So without wanting to appear thick... Are all away games selling out? I know Norwich sold out but I thought that was because the club only went for a small allocation. I work in Doncaster so I'd hoped to go to the Hull game (what with it being on a Tuesday night and in February and all) is that likely to sell out as well? I can't justify a season ticket, by the time I get home at weekends half the season is gone! You will have no bother with Hull, we won't even get close to selling out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 August, 2013 Share Posted 29 August, 2013 I don't think amount of away premier league games attended shows real loyalty. This should have been implemented when we were relegted to league 1. Fair enough the demand was less but in my opinion loyalty is a 16 year old lad working 4 hours a week and saving it up to go to one away game every other month in league 1 rather than someone that has the money but only the interest in a premier league outfit, but pays what is small change to them to get a season ticket and whatever away games they please. I also understand that the majority of our fans aren't like this. That's fine, but in terms of calculating ticket priority, there's no real need to offer it in L1 at all, so it doesn't matter how frequently people go and it also doesn't matter how much of their income it is as it's a fixed amount to the club and that's irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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