Any update on 'Fringe' players?

[spyinthesky]

ie Billy Sharp (off to Celtic?)

Johnno Forte (free to Crawley?)

Lee Barnard?

Dean Hammond?

Tadanari Lee?

Aaron Martin (injured?)

 

Possibly £3- £3.5m in annual wages for the 6 mentioned above

In this respect possibility that only Billy Sharp and Tadanari Lee will have transfer values, likely to be reduced by their current contract benefits.

[Avenue Saint]

ie Billy Sharp (off to Celtic?)

Johnno Forte (free to Crawley?)

Lee Barnard?

Dean Hammond?

Tadanari Lee?

Aaron Martin (injured?)

 

Possibly £3- £3.5m in annual wages for the 6 mentioned above

In this respect possibility that only Billy Sharp and Tadanari Lee will have transfer values, likely to be reduced by their current contract benefits.

 

Spoke to Jon Sunday, nothing imminent in terms of a move. Still waiting for something firm

[Saint Charlie]

Forte is so ****e and has such little self belief that L2 is probably the best he can hope for.

 

I'm suprised nobody has come in for Hammond but getting rid of him and Sharp should be possible.

 

Barnard and especially Lee, on their wages, will be very hard to find takers for so we will probably end up paying most of their wages when they move on loan.

[Window Cleaner]

ie Billy Sharp (off to Celtic?)

Johnno Forte (free to Crawley?)

Lee Barnard?

Dean Hammond?

Tadanari Lee?

Aaron Martin (injured?)

 

Possibly £3- £3.5m in annual wages for the 6 mentioned above

In this respect possibility that only Billy Sharp and Tadanari Lee will have transfer values, likely to be reduced by their current contract benefits.

 

Tadanari Lee will have virtually no transfer value...reatively big salary and less than a year's contract left, we'll be lucky to give him away especially with his "I want to play all of the time attitude" that he displayed when refusing FC Tokyo. A move that looked promising when he came here that has turned into a complete debacle. Also gives our probably non-existant credibility with the

Work Permit board another step downwards.

[chocco boxo]

Are we still paying is interpreter ?

[angelman]

I can't really understand why we don't sell players rather than loan them out. I realise that the valuation we place might not be met, but running their contracts down so that they can leave as free agents surely is worse.

[SuperSAINT]

I can't really understand why we don't sell players rather than loan them out. I realise that the valuation we place might not be met, but running their contracts down so that they can leave as free agents surely is worse.

 

Easier said than done. Their contracts are too big for lower league teams to afford.

[Dan Johnson]

I can't really understand why we don't sell players rather than loan them out. I realise that the valuation we place might not be met, but running their contracts down so that they can leave as free agents surely is worse.

 

Nothing to do with valuation & everything to do with wages.

 

The likes of Hammond & Sharp are on realitively big money. In Sharps case upwards of 20k a week, thats over £1 million a year in wages. Players have to agree to deals, they're not all motivated by playing football on a regular basis, and they're not going to earn nearly as much elsewhere so it's not as easy as just selling them.

 

Loan Agreements can still save us money as the club loaning the player will likely pay a percentage of that players wages, maybe 50%... that could save us (in sharps case) 400k a year (considering the length of the season)

 

It's why you see players move for free when you'd assume they would have re-sell value.

 

For example, if Sharp had 2 years left on his contract, letting him move for free would save £2million in the long run.

 

Football transfers are often protracted, complex and difficult to negotiate due to the nature of business, with the fair play rules now in force it's even harder. With accountants having to spread budgets across different financial years to appease shareholders and the FA

[John Boy Saint]

I thought that I had seen somewhere that Dean Hammond had his contract paid up by the club.

[angelman]

Nothing to do with valuation & everything to do with wages.

 

I take that on board, but disagree that the two aren't connected. Buying clubs can still pay the same amount but offset that amount over the period of the contract by offering less to start off with. Surely that way we can get these players off the books. Sending them out on loan, will a] get a loan fee but b] more than likely still involve us paying some of the wage. Maybe it would be better to cut our losses and cancel the contract by mutual agreement meaning players can move as free agents and get that higher wage. I realise that this has to be agreed by both parties, but the majority of football players want to play week in week out. As things stand, we have these players on our books and not playing and having little prospect of playing.

[max_saints]

I thought that I had seen somewhere that Dean Hammond had his contract paid up by the club.

 

iirc, that was chaplow

[Delboy Dave]

One would have thought these players would take a pay cut to play football?

[Charlie Wayman]

Steve de Ridder had the right idea find yourself another club and just get SFC to end their contracts by mutual consent.

 

Sounds OK but of course some of these guys who served us well in the lower leagues and got us where we are today will never be in the big money (for them) again so you can understand why they wouldn't want to lose what's owed to them so to speak, it's a kind of pension for them and who says its not fully deserved?

 

Hopefully we can still be a compassionate club to those who have served us well and we cheered on every week.

 

Whatever, they must not be vilified by fans for their plight, what else can they be expected to do. I feel rather sad for them because they are in waning careers which never last very long anyway, are actually quite gifted footballers as things go but are not playing football whilst their particular clocks are running down. Yes, they need the money for their futures but I'll bet to a man they would rather be out their on the pitch at SMS busting a gut for us and for the Saints.

[Window Cleaner]

Steve de Ridder had the right idea find yourself another club and just get SFC to end their contracts by mutual consent.

 

Sounds OK but of course some of these guys who served us well in the lower leagues and got us where we are today will never be in the big money (for them) again so you can understand why they wouldn't want to lose what's owed to them so to speak, it's a kind of pension for them and who says its not fully deserved?

 

Hopefully we can still be a compassionate club to those who have served us well and we cheered on every week.

 

Whatever, they must not be vilified by fans for their plight, what else can they be expected to do. I feel rather sad for them because they are in waning careers which never last very long anyway, are actually quite gifted footballers as things go but are not playing football whilst their particular clocks are running down. Yes, they need the money for their futures but I'll bet to a man they would rather be out their on the pitch at SMS busting a gut for us and for the Saints.

 

De Ridder will have taken a huge knockdown in salary, half or less I'd suspect.Perhaps they're not all willing to do that.

[St.Patrik]

Is any of these guys even training with the first team squad? Or training with the kids?

[angelman]

It will be interesting to see what squad rolls out tonight. If not involved then I guess you'll never be, unless the game is going to be treated as a practice match to bed in Osvaldo et al.

[The9]

I wouldn't be surprised if we're keeping some of them specifically so we have some Championship-level experience for tonight as opposed to using the kids, I should think we're probably pretty keen on having a go at the Capital One Cup this season and obviously we'll need to get past Barnsley to do so.

 

Last season we used Sharp, Lee, Richardson, Butterfield and Seaborne in the Stevenage away game and they barely got a kick between them for us for the rest of the season. Shaw made his debut too, as did Isgrove and Chambers - but our focus wasn't on that Cup at the time with staying in the Prem a big challenge.

[Window Cleaner]

I wouldn't be surprised if we're keeping some of them specifically so we have some Championship-level experience for tonight as opposed to using the kids, I should think we're probably pretty keen on having a go at the Capital One Cup this season and obviously we'll need to get past Barnsley to do so.

 

Last season we used Sharp, Lee, Richardson, Butterfield and Seaborne in the Stevenage away game and they barely got a kick between them for us for the rest of the season. Shaw made his debut too, as did Isgrove and Chambers - but our focus wasn't on that Cup at the time with staying in the Prem a big challenge.

 

we won't want to lose. I heard that our Capital Cup exit did not sit well with NC last year although how good the source was I wouldn't know. Contributed to Adkins demise perhaps.

[Naboo_thats_who]

Anyone know the origin of billy Sharps latest tweet 'shambles'

[Saint Mikey]

For example, if Sharp had 2 years left on his contract, letting him move for free would save £2million in the long run.

 

It's not necessarily even that simple. Unless a player hands in a transfer request, they are entitled to their contract paid up or a mutually agreed amount, plus a loyalty bonus. Read the Secret Footballer for how this works. So, in reality, it doesn't help the club that much financially. Hence why these players aren't getting squad numbers etc. It's an attempt to make them agree lower settlements, or hand in a transfer request (which rarely happens in these circumstances) in order to play football. Of course, as in the case of players like Dickson/Barnard etc. even a longer contract elsewhere on reduced wages - still won't make up for what they could earn here (even without appearance and other assorted bonuses) on their current contract. That's why no-one's going anywhere...