saints_is_the_south Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Barnsley first on Tuesday, but already thinking towards next Saturday. Osvaldo will start, Gaston too possibly. We need both of those 2 in the team at the same time as much as possible IMO, they are both on the same wavelength as each other so the more opportunities they get to develop that understanding the better. Would not be surprised to see Jay Rod dropped for this one. If Osvaldo does start, then will it be behind or in front of Lambert? Yesterday it seemed to be the former, but I think Lambert is better suited to playing in the deeper role. My team would be as follows, Boruc Clyne - Lovren - Fonte - Shaw Schneiderlin - Wanyama Ramirez - Lambert - Lallana Osvaldo That, with maybe the exception of swapping Fonte for Yoshida is our strongest team, IMO. Norwich will be desperate to get their first win after losing to Hull yesterday, but I saw nothing in them to suggest they are any better than West Brom, so another good opportunity to pick up 3 more points on the road.
DuncanRG Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 I'd like to see Ramirez and Osvaldo given a game together, they linked up well yesterday. Thing is, Ward-Prowse more than deserves to keep his place on the right and you'd have to drop Lallana or Lambert to incorporate the three of them. It may be that Pochettino doesn't want to start both strikers away from home - might see Osvaldo on the bench again.
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Boruc Clyne Lovren Fonte Shaw Morgan Wanyama JWP Ramirez Lallana Osvaldo This has the potential to be a good game, anyone got any idea how long Yoshi has left until fit ? Though Fonte hasnt done much wrong so far TBH.
Brave Sir Robin Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Norwich are a decent side now their new signings are settling in, especially van huskeywilly. I'll be happy with a draw as it's at their place. 7 points from our first 3 would be extremely pleasant though.
The Kraken Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Still really disappointed to see Cork out. VW is good but we've lost the best part of the team in that CM partnership. Morgan went off too and suddenly it's all change and disjointed. Wanyama was excellent yesterday; and JWP was superb when he came into CM after half time. It didn't look disjointed at all; if anything we looked better in the second half than the first.
Bewildered Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Could go either way, Norwich looked decent against Everton but couldn't score against Hull even though Hull played an hour with 10 men. 1-1 draw.
verlaine1979 Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Wanyama was excellent yesterday; and JWP was superb when he came into CM after half time. It didn't look disjointed at all; if anything we looked better in the second half than the first. Yup, midfield definitely performed better second half. That's not to disparage Schneiderlin nor any other part of the midfield, but Wanyama & JWP did a great job. Seen a few people suggesting Cork used to carry the ball forward more than Wanyama is doing, but I don't see it myself. If Cork had one weakness last season it was his tentativeness in passing or driving forward.
yorkie Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 I also think we play better when teams come at us. Home teams are under intense pressure to attack - a bit like us yesterday. Might catch them on the break a couple of times. As for playing Osvaldo and Ramirez - I'd do what we did yesterday change things around and bring them both on with 30-mins to go if we are not winning or needing a goal!
Sour Mash Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 I'd like to see Ramirez and Osvaldo given a game together, they linked up well yesterday. Thing is, Ward-Prowse more than deserves to keep his place on the right and you'd have to drop Lallana or Lambert to incorporate the three of them. It may be that Pochettino doesn't want to start both strikers away from home - might see Osvaldo on the bench again. Ward-Prowse really stood out in the 2nd half when playing in the middle, but would you drop Schneiderlin for him? Especially away from home. Would be interesting to see how Ward Prowse would get on playing on the right with Clyne over-lapping him.
The Kraken Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Ward-Prowse really stood out in the 2nd half when playing in the middle, but would you drop Schneiderlin for him? Especially away from home. Would be interesting to see how Ward Prowse would get on playing on the right with Clyne over-lapping him. This is the one that intrigues me. JWP is clearly not a wide player in the attacking sense, but he wasn't helped yesterday by the fact that Chambers was clearly on a brief to not bomb forwards as Clyne does. With a rampaging full back you often need an RM who will sit in, so it could well work out that the two of them work out quite well. As it was yesterday in the first half we didn't do enough attacking down the right hand side.
SNSUN Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Very winnable, but equally very loseable as Norwich will be all the more determined to get that first win. The wife and all the in-laws (Norwich fans) will be going to this one, and I'll be stuck at work (as usual) so I really hope we pick something up. I'd take a draw, but while Norwich are learning how to integrate their new signings into their team, it's a good time to play them to pick up all three points. I heard Norwich described as awful against Hull. This pleases me.
trousers Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Boruc Clyne - Fonte - Lovren - Shaw Schneiderlin - Wanyama JWP - Ramirez - Lallana Osvaldo Subs: Davis, Chambers, Yoshida, Cork, S.Davis, Lambert, Rodriguez
Saint_Tony Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Maybe time to start Ramirez and Osvaldo. We can certainly win this, most likely a draw though, which I'd take
Tom28 Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Boruc Clyne Lovren Fonte Shaw Schneiderlin Wanyama JWP Lallana Rodriguez Lambert Subs: Davis, Chambers, Yoshida, Cork, Davis, Ramirez, Osvaldo
LGTL Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Have to admit I'm glad I'm not MP, he has some really tough decisions to make. Make a change from having to pick between de ridder or mayuka.
SuperMikey Posted 25 August, 2013 Posted 25 August, 2013 Got to start Osvaldo, looked so much more dangerous up front with him on the pitch. ----------------BORUC-------------- CLYNE----LOVREN----FONTE----SHAW --------WANYAMA---MORGAN-------- ----LALLANA---OSVALDO---JWP------ ---------------LAMBERT------------- Subs: K.Davis, Chambers, Maya, S.Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Rodriguez
saintbob40 Posted 26 August, 2013 Posted 26 August, 2013 Wanyama and Morgan hasn't worked so far. JWP and Wanyama only looked better because Sunderland sat back and let them have the ball. The team now moves the ball far too slowly and we have lost our fluidity. Most posters are judging the team by it's results rather than by the performances and we have played poorly against two poor sides. Eventually we will be found out. Yes you all love Wanyama because he is big and strong but he has slow feet, is not aware of what is around him ( hence Morgans decline) and he does not get through the work that Cork does. Don't bet on us beating Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool this year.
TheSpankBoy Posted 26 August, 2013 Posted 26 August, 2013 Wanyama and Morgan hasn't worked so far. JWP and Wanyama only looked better because Sunderland sat back and let them have the ball. The team now moves the ball far too slowly and we have lost our fluidity. Most posters are judging the team by it's results rather than by the performances and we have played poorly against two poor sides. Eventually we will be found out. Yes you all love Wanyama because he is big and strong but he has slow feet, is not aware of what is around him ( hence Morgans decline) and he does not get through the work that Cork does. Don't bet on us beating Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool this year. I think we have been ok so far to be honest. I also doubt many were betting on us beating those teams last year.....
teenagegsaint Posted 26 August, 2013 Posted 26 August, 2013 --------Boruc---------- Clyne Lovren Fonte Shaw --Schneiderlin- Wanyama-- JWP--- Lambert --Lallana --------Osvaldo------ Subs: Davis, Chambers, Yoshida, Cork, Davis, Ramirez, Rodriguez
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 Wanyama was excellent yesterday; and JWP was superb when he came into CM after half time. It didn't look disjointed at all; if anything we looked better in the second half than the first. Exactly, Morgan was always the better of the two last year aswell, the reason that Cork made such a difference is because he was more positionally disciplined than Davis was playing there and so allowed Morgan to play tgat destructive roaming role he does so well. Been really impressed with Wanyama so far, I feel bad for Cork but I feel VW is a step up
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 Wanyama and Morgan hasn't worked so far. JWP and Wanyama only looked better because Sunderland sat back and let them have the ball. The team now moves the ball far too slowly and we have lost our fluidity. Most posters are judging the team by it's results rather than by the performances and we have played poorly against two poor sides. Eventually we will be found out. Yes you all love Wanyama because he is big and strong but he has slow feet, is not aware of what is around him ( hence Morgans decline) and he does not get through the work that Cork does. Don't bet on us beating Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool this year. For me we are keeping hold of the ball and look easily as solid as we did in those games your talking about, if even more dominant. The problem is from an attacking fluidity sense, and we struggled last year when teams sat back. Its nothing to do with the Wanyama/Cork dillema, it is to do with the need for some attacking dynamism when a team sits 11 men behind the ball which is why Id have taken off Lambert, not Lallana on Saturday. Thankfully Norwich are likely to try to attack
dronskisaint Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 Can I insert another plea for anyone with either one or two tickets that they could sell me? Desperate to go and ideally take my lad who has never seen Saints lose...I live close to Norwich and would be happy to pay towards anyone's travelling costs or beer costs...Thanks for reading!
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 For me we are keeping hold of the ball and look easily as solid as we did in those games your talking about, if even more dominant. The problem is from an attacking fluidity sense, and we struggled last year when teams sat back. Its nothing to do with the Wanyama/Cork dillema, it is to do with the need for some attacking dynamism when a team sits 11 men behind the ball which is why Id have taken off Lambert, not Lallana on Saturday. Thankfully Norwich are likely to try to attack from what i saw of the first half on saturday (all of it) it seems to me that Morgan and Victor can regain the ball at will but there's not enough movement directly in front of them and they end up pushing out wide. Now to me Chambers and Sharp are handy but they lack real pace and so nothing at more than about 30 degrees forward will be positive. Lallana is always an outlet but as he'll dribble himself up his own rear end more often than not it doesn't actually get us anywhere. This is why i desperately want to see Gaston restored to the starting line up because he has the attributes necessary to validate the skills of our midfield men. I am not a Lambert fan as you all know and to me JRod's ball control isn't always what it seemed to be last season.
benjii Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 I would pick: Borutch Clyne - Fonte - Lovren - Shaw -----Wanyama---Morgan---- JWP -----Ramirez------Osvaldo -----------Lambert--------- Subs: K Davis, Cork, Yoshida, Lallana, Rodriguez, S Davis, Guly
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 from what i saw of the first half on saturday (all of it) it seems to me that Morgan and Victor can regain the ball at will but there's not enough movement directly in front of them and they end up pushing out wide. Now to me Chambers and Sharp are handy but they lack real pace and so nothing at more than about 30 degrees forward will be positive. Lallana is always an outlet but as he'll dribble himself up his own rear end more often than not it doesn't actually get us anywhere. This is why i desperately want to see Gaston restored to the starting line up because he has the attributes necessary to validate the skills of our midfield men. I am not a Lambert fan as you all know and to me JRod's ball control isn't always what it seemed to be last season. We looked very different when Clyne came on, as, unlike what many seem to 'see' we dont play with wingers, and the width is ultimately provided by the FBs. But yes I agree, whenever Ramirez is on the ball we do IMHO look infinately more dangerous, though I think he still needs better movement ahead of him and yes, I think we both agree that Lambert isnt that man. J Rod seems to be a bit of a slow starter, but Id include him. He is good without the ball in this system and adds an element of direct running at times. He was unlucky against Sunderland TBH.
Olallana Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 Norwich concede three goals at home against Bury......hmm...
dan abnormal Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 They were abysmal at Hull, awful. They played a fairly attacking side yet barely mustered a chance, Good chance for a win here Boruc Clyne Fonte Yoshida Shaw Wanyama Schneiderlin Lallana Ramirez J rod Osvaldo
trousers Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 They were abysmal at Hull, awful. They played a fairly attacking side yet barely mustered a chance, Good chance for a win here Boruc Clyne Fonte Yoshida Shaw Wanyama Schneiderlin Lallana Ramirez J rod Osvaldo Lovren?
dan abnormal Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 Lovren? woops. Swap with Yoshi. I think Lovren has been excellent so far, looks very composed
eurosaint Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 JWP should only play in the middle, he looked totally out of position on the right last Saturday !!
BlakeySFC Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 All our matches Howard Webb refereed last season we lost. Not a good omen.
maysie Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 Definite decision point for Poch is what he does with the 4 attacking positions. Don't think you can have Lallana and Ramirez playing together, especially away from home.
DrunkenSaint Posted 27 August, 2013 Posted 27 August, 2013 --------------------Boruc Clyne-------Lovren-------Fonte/Yoshida------Shaw ---------Wanyama ----Schneiderlin-------- -----Lallana------Ramirez------- JWP------- ------------------Osvaldo------------ We can't have Osvaldo on the bench he's too good and we can't play Lambert in the hole, Ramirez will be much better suited there. Jwp is playing well so can't drop him and Clyne should be ahead of Chambers. All in all that team has everyone playing in their rightful positions maybe apart from JWP but like i said he's probably the man on form. That formation can be mixed about going 433 if needed moving jwp in the middle.
studentsaint Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 First of all we need to make sure people play in positions suited to them. JWP will not be near left wing. I realise our front 4 rotate but JWP can't play left or striker. Secondly I suspect players starting Barnsley will not start Saturday except Clyne and a cb as perhaps they were compared alongside each other. Those not involved were rested. So I predict MP has decided Boruc Clyne fonte lovren Shaw Morgan VW JWP Lambert Lallana Osvaldo
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 All our matches Howard Webb refereed last season we lost. Not a good omen. then again we lost nigh on 40% of our matches last season , probably more than that if you count cup games so the chance of any ref officiating in lose only games is not that slim. This season we've already lost 2 less matches than we had at an equal stage last year.
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 First of all we need to make sure people play in positions suited to them. JWP will not be near left wing. I realise our front 4 rotate but JWP can't play left or striker. Secondly I suspect players starting Barnsley will not start Saturday except Clyne and a cb as perhaps they were compared alongside each other. Those not involved were rested. So I predict MP has decided Boruc Clyne fonte lovren Shaw Morgan VW JWP Lambert Lallana Osvaldo all will depend on whether Morgan and Luke are actually fit to start.
Saint Garrett Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 Were Morgan and Shaw injured last week? JWP was brilliant vs WBA and from the little footage I've seen from last weekend (been away), it sounds like he had a decent game. Also think Pochettino/Cortese like the fact we've got youth products involved. Would say Osvaldo has to start, just not sure where. We have so many options now, and can't see Lambert dropped. ------------Boruc------------ Clyne--Lovren---Fonte--Shaw -----Wanyama--Morgan------- J-Rod-----Osvaldo-----Lallana ----------Lambert------------ Tough on JWP and would like Gaston to be given a start, but just don't think he's disciplined enough right now to start.
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 Were Morgan and Shaw injured last week? - Tough on JWP and would like Gaston to be given a start, but just don't think he's disciplined enough right now to start. apparently so, can't see us dropping JWP just yet myself and I guess we'll start with a very similar line up to that which started against Sunderland.
dubai_phil Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 Depends on how this illness bug thing goes I guess but with Jos & Guly off sick last night Boruc Clyne Fonte Lovren Shaw Morgan Wanyama JRod JWP Lallana Lambert Would give great options from the bench, think Osvaldo from the start would be too risky yet until he learns a bit more about the niggles & nudges of the PL KD Gaston Osvaldo Davis Chambers Jos/Maya Cork
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 I think Gaston needs to play, was good last night when on the ball, all be it against a championship side. He goal was shear glass and touch was very good, he would fit into a Barcalona team IMO where its more about 1 2s and short passes, giving the ball and making good runs but never seemed to get the ball back.
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 First of all we need to make sure people play in positions suited to them. JWP will not be near left wing. I realise our front 4 rotate but JWP can't play left or striker. Secondly I suspect players starting Barnsley will not start Saturday except Clyne and a cb as perhaps they were compared alongside each other. Those not involved were rested. So I predict MP has decided Boruc Clyne fonte lovren Shaw Morgan VW JWP Lambert Lallana Osvaldo This but hopefullyhe will drop RL and play Ramirez
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 This but hopefullyhe will drop RL and play Ramirez won't happen, not while SRL is in the England group.
Jack Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 I'd love for us to show we've got goals in us. We've seen chances, but finishing hasn't been good enough in the 2 prem games and we could be more assertive in the final third. Plus, I'm spending 2 nights in Norwich this weekend with a friend who's a ST holder there, so avoiding defeat is essential, winning would be excellent.
trousers Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 @SouthamptonFC: Join us from 9am tomorrow morning, when Mauricio Pochettino will be speaking ahead of Saturday's trip to @NorwichCityFC. #saintsfc
Lighthouse Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 Same team that started at Barnsley. Never change a winning side! Oh all right then but if we make 11 changes from that side and lose at Norwich, do we get fined for fielding a weakened team?
pangy Posted 28 August, 2013 Posted 28 August, 2013 J-Rod -- Ramirez--Osvaldo Lambert I can see this happening (with Osvaldo and Lambert swapping )but I am not sure if that looks too attacking,we have all these attacking players but in those positions out wide they need to be able to get back and defend as well. One thing is for sure MP has his work cut out picking a team
CWD Posted 29 August, 2013 Posted 29 August, 2013 Osvaldo -- Lallana -- JWP -------Lambert ----------- That's how I think we'll start, but if I had the choice I'd put Ramirez in for Lallana.
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2013 Posted 29 August, 2013 Great to have so many options. Hopefully we will find the right setup.
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