Watched game again, j rod poor

[Smirking_Saint]

Jrod just ain't good enough I'm afraid

 

Thought he did ok with what he was asked to do, fits the system welland works hard. Certainly played better than Lambert for me today.

[Cabrone]

JRod's feet were onside but his upper body was ahead of the Sunderland defence because he was accelerating forward.

 

Very tight and on another day it could have stood as it was so borderline but technically it was offside.

 

Great pass from Ricky to create the chance in the first instance.

[Turkish]

It's all very well knowing the rules son, but if you don't apply them to the action you're watching then you look rather silly. Here's another rule you might find handy... the offside call is made when the ball is kicked, not a split second after the ball has left the passers foot. Maybe this is where you're getting confused.

 

And as for "We'd be going mental if Sunderland had scored that goal it was given"... yes we would, if the Sunderland player was offside.

 

As silly as arguing something is onside when it was offside? It seems to be only you that don't understand the rule son and trying to patronise.

 

I said above it was very marginal and perhaps he should have for the benefit of the doubt but rules are rules and his shoulder was ahead of the last man when the ball was played, son.

[Roger]

Thought he did ok with what he was asked to do, fits the system welland works hard. Certainly played better than Lambert for me today.

 

I know I'm biased but he didn't contribute anything like as much as lambert.

[Whitey Grandad]

But given it was so close, how could a human being have been 100% certain the player was offside? The human brain isn't capable of being 100% certain in split second situations. Surely?

 

Lots of practice. Somebody has to make a decision and an independent official running up and down the line is probably the best solution. These linesmen are specialists and very rarely make mistakes. They really don't care who wins or loses. The decision yesterday was disappointing but not wrong.

[orchardsaint]

Lads the rule is wrong then, how can someone be offside for leaning into a run, that's madness. Worse still it's not something the linesman was even in the right place to see, let alone call in the split second he made the call.

 

From where I was sat the linesman was 2 yards behind the play and called it on the off chance he was, just like Newcastle at home last year, he was in no place to call it again and it is criminal he was allowed to give it as offside when it basically isn't (ok technically any part of the body being ahead of the play of the back line counts as offside but that in its self is sickeningly stupid, it should be based on the feet and when you actually run not leaning). If it was given on the basis of tv replay and tech, yeah I wouldn't be angry about it, but in the situation the modern game is in there is no way in hell the linesman could have given that without guessing so it is a wrong decision because it isn't based on what he can see.

 

what if he wasn't leaning into the run, but was a divind header, for example? would you allow that? his feet onside but his head six feet off?

[Bearsy]

He'd have to be diving before the ball was played, like superman

[orchardsaint]

it was only an example to illustrate a point. anyway, it could happen.

[teenagegsaint]

completely agree with this thread, apart from about 5-6 games last season he looks nothing like a £7m player

[Smirking_Saint]

I know I'm biased but he didn't contribute anything like as much as lambert.

 

As much as Lambert is a constant threat I thought he was poor yesterday, even his normally so assured touch was off. I wondered if nerves started due to the new man and the imminent england announcement

[david in sweden]

Nerves?.....confidence.....?

 

It must have been a bit of a "downer " for him last season. Signed for £6 mill. in the summer ( a cheap price by today's standards, of course ) and then NA didn't use him properly.

 

MP gave him a decent run-out and we were all amazed with 4 goals in 3 outings (incl.Liverpool and Chelsea.)

 

Now that Osvaldo has come, he can see the hatchet looming again. I think he needs a good dose of self confidence and not the sort you get out of a bottle.

[Turkish]

Goals on Sundays panel all seem to agree with those that said it was offside too, although as said he should maybe have got the benefit. All those ex players and managers must be wrong too.

[Smirking_Saint]

Not entirely sure why J Rods getting so much stick, he was involved in almost everything going forward yesterday ?

[Turkish]

Nerves?.....confidence.....?

 

It must have been a bit of a "downer " for him last season. Signed for £6 mill. in the summer ( a cheap price by today's standards, of course ) and then NA didn't use him properly.

 

MP gave him a decent run-out and we were all amazed with 4 goals in 3 outings (incl.Liverpool and Chelsea.)

 

Now that Osvaldo has come, he can see the hatchet looming again. I think he needs a good dose of self confidence and not the sort you get out of a bottle.

 

Confidence. He clearly a confidence player as it showed last season when he struggled a bit but once he found his feet he was excellent for a while.

[Roger]

As much as Lambert is a constant threat I thought he was poor yesterday, even his normally so assured touch was off. I wondered if nerves started due to the new man and the imminent england announcement

 

Lambert won a lot if headers in the box. Set up j rod for disallowed goal with amazing pass, was constantly involved. Set up osvaldo chance too. I thought he tried very hard and just didn't produce what he usually does in finishing but all strikers have days like that. He kept getting in right areas tho yesterday. J rod missed easiest chance with the tame header second half.

[Turkish]

Lambert won a lot if headers in the box. Set up j rod for disallowed goal with amazing pass, was constantly involved. Set up osvaldo chance too. I thought he tried very hard and just didn't produce what he usually does in finishing but all strikers have days like that. He kept getting in right areas tho yesterday. J rod missed easiest chance with the tame header second half.

 

An amazing pass? Bloody hell, it was a 15 yard through ball between two defenders into the space behind, it was decent but not amazing.

[Roger]

An amazing pass? Bloody hell, it was a 15 yard through ball between two defenders into the space behind, it was decent but not amazing.

 

Sort of pass that goes over English supporters heads. More important to look like ur running around with no end product.

[Turkish]

Sort of pass that goes over English supporters heads. More important to look like ur running around with no end product.

 

Not this English supporter pal. It was decent but its a stretch to say it was 'amazing'

[TheCholulaKid]

An amazing pass? Bloody hell, it was a 15 yard through ball between two defenders into the space behind, it was decent but not amazing.

 

Think Roger might have his Ricky goggles on.

 

Didn't think Rodriguez had his best game but those asking for him to be dropped are beyond a joke...2nd game of the season! Especially for Ramirez (who I like) on the basis of a 20 min cameo.

[Roger]

Not this English supporter pal. It was decent but its a stretch to say it was 'amazing'

 

Fair enough. Just the pass that le tiss used to play. He nearly threaded another through to j rod at the end but was just caught out. Gaston can play that kind if pass too.

[The Kraken]

Think Roger might have his Ricky goggles on.

 

Didn't think Rodriguez had his best game but those asking for him to be dropped are beyond a joke...2nd game of the season! Especially for Ramirez (who I like) on the basis of a 20 min cameo.

Don't think either JRod or Ramirez are the answer in that position to be honest. I know its shunned on here to say we need a "winger", but that's what I think we're missing from our armoury. Tottenham have one in Lennon; Man City have signed Jesus Navas; Chelsea have Kevin de Bruyne, and you could probably also argue that the likes of Young, Valencia, Nani and Zaha are capable of the role for Man United. Really we're talking about a skilful player with pace who is capable (and willing) to attack a full back either on the inside or outside. Perhaps we don't look to play that way but there's no reason we couldn't add it to our locker, I think it might just make us a little less predictable and slow at times.

[david in sweden]

what if he wasn't leaning into the run, but was a divind header, for example? would you allow that? his feet onside but his head six feet off?

 

..more like 12 inches.....looking at the replay.

[Appy]

Fair enough. Just the pass that le tiss used to play. He nearly threaded another through to j rod at the end but was just caught out. Gaston can play that kind if pass too.

 

Think I'd struggle to name any of our first team offensive players who couldn't play that sort of pass.

[Minsk]

Why are Jamie and Richard trying to run down j rod?

 

There's too much inconsistency for me.

 

Surely it should be James and Richard or Jamie and D1ckie.

 

I prefer the latter.

 

And, on topic, I can see JRod being dropped to the bench next week. A shame, because he has more pace than all bar Mayuka, and is the most direct of our attackers. Still, I think he will do well when replacing Gaston on the hour mark.

[Roger]

Think I'd struggle to name any of our first team offensive players who couldn't play that sort of pass.

 

Slightly bizarre comment.

[Appy]

Slightly bizarre comment.

 

Why?

 

You think that only Gaston and Lambert in our team could've played that pass to Rodriguez yesterday?

[shurlock]

Slightly bizarre comment.

 

Did you see the number of passes Rickie misplaced yesterday?

[Roger]

Why?

 

You think that only Gaston and Lambert in our team could've played that pass to Rodriguez yesterday?

 

Yep I do mate. Sorry just my opinion.

[Roger]

Did you see the number of passes Rickie misplaced yesterday?

 

Yes a few. Did a lot if good things too. I would give rickie 6/10. His finishing wasn't as good as usual but thought he worked harder than I've seen him work for a while. Thought he was shocking other than stoke game end if last season as was j rod after west ham game when he was sub.

[Turkish]

Yep I do mate. Sorry just my opinion.

 

Just to clarify. To think only two of our 18 premier league standard footballers is capable of seeing a 10 yard gap between defenders into space and passing the ball 15 yards into that space?

[The Kraken]

Just to clarify. To think only two of our 18 premier league standard footballers is capable of seeing a 10 yard gap between defenders into space and passing the ball 15 yards into that space?

It's a worrying accusation if we're expected to push on to "the next level".

[100% Saint]

STOP MOANING! Yes J-Rod had a poor game today but everyone has an off day. I thought he had some good runs at the defence at West Brom and overall he had a good performance. And before that in last season I thought he showed promise and I think he will continue to do so through out the season and prove some on here wrong. Also we got praise from Di Canio for having in his opinion one of the best attacking players in the league like Lambert, Rodriguez, Lallana, Osvaldo and Ramirez.

[Smirking_Saint]

Am I the only one that thought J Rod didnt have a bad game ?

[Turkish]

Am I the only one that thought J Rod didnt have a bad game ?

 

He was alright, didn't do anything special, should have scored with that header he put straight at the keeper. Probably 6 out of 10.

[The Kraken]

STOP MOANING! Yes J-Rod had a poor game today but everyone has an off day. I thought he had some good runs at the defence at West Brom and overall he had a good performance. And before that in last season I thought he showed promise and I think he will continue to do so through out the season and prove some on here wrong. Also we got praise from Di Canio for having in his opinion one of the best attacking players in the league like Lambert, Rodriguez, Lallana, Osvaldo and Ramirez.

Everyone didn't have an off day at all. JWP was superb. Fonte and Lovren looked decent. Chambers was solid; Shaw and Clyne did a good job. Lallana was better than usual, Wanyama was very good. In fact the only players that didn't shine were Lambert and Rodriguez, both of whom were below their best. We had close on 65% possession, so how can you claim everyone had an off day? Even di Canio admitted that Saints were much better than Sunderland.

[Batman]

Everyone didn't have an off day at all. JWP was superb. Fonte and Lovren looked decent. Chambers was solid; Shaw and Clyne did a good job. Lallana was better than usual, Wanyama was very good. In fact the only players that didn't shine were Lambert and Rodriguez, both of whom were below their best. We had close on 65% possession, so how can you claim everyone had an off day? Even di Canio admitted that Saints were much better than Sunderland.

 

agree

in all honesty, we battered them for about 75 mins of the game

as one sided as you can get in the premier league. just our shooting boots were not on yesterday. it happens to the best of them

[eurosaint]

Not entirely sure why J Rods getting so much stick, he was involved in almost everything going forward yesterday ?

 

With Fox and Guly not even in the squad we are a bit short of scapegoats

[Batman]

With Fox and Guly not even in the squad we are a bit short of scapegoats

 

nothing to do with scapegoating. its calling it how it is

yesterday, he was not very good to what he has been

 

last season when he was playing well, he did so by being direct with the ball at feet, running at pace at defenders and turning them to face their own goal

I remember when he came on at home to West Ham. He had their defence all over the place

 

yesterday, we never saw that at all. When he does not do that, he looks a little out of place. and his pace was not really evident to the team

the header from the osvaldo cross was very poor for a striker/forward of any standard of top flight football

[Smirking_Saint]

He was alright, didn't do anything special, should have scored with that header he put straight at the keeper. Probably 6 out of 10.

 

See Id have rated him about 7, without the ball he works hard and fits what we do from a pressing persective. I agree he could have had a hattrick, everyone was wastefull yesterday. He was better than Lambert IMO

[Batman]

FWIW, I thought lambert was also not that good compared to his ability

again, just calling it how it is

 

also, I would have clyne in ahead of chambers for norwich

[shurlock]

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/694918/player-stats/44683/OVERALL_03#tabs-wrapper-anchor

 

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/694918/player-stats/44683/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor

 

 

Looking at these, seemed pretty peripheral in the last third.

Edited 25 August, 2013 by shurlock

[100% Saint]

Everyone didn't have an off day at all. JWP was superb. Fonte and Lovren looked decent. Chambers was solid; Shaw and Clyne did a good job. Lallana was better than usual, Wanyama was very good. In fact the only players that didn't shine were Lambert and Rodriguez, both of whom were below their best. We had close on 65% possession, so how can you claim everyone had an off day? Even di Canio admitted that Saints were much better than Sunderland.

That's what i'm on about I know that JWP was superb, Fonte and Lovren looked a good partnership and all that you have said, but if you read my post properly it said everyone HAS an off day at some point.

[The Kraken]

That's what i'm on about I know that JWP was superb, Fonte and Lovren looked a good partnership and all that you have said, but if you read my post properly it said everyone HAS an off day at some point.

Fair point

[warsash saint]

Not entirely sure why J Rods getting so much stick?

 

Because Guly was not playing!!