Lighthouse Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 If there's a form team in English football at the moment, then Barnsley isn't it. 4 League games, 1 point, 12 goals conceded, bottom of the Championship. They scraped through the first round on penalties after a 0-0 draw at home to Sc*nthorpe. Today they let in 5 goals at Blackburn. So having said all that, I think we will lose 1-0. What team would you pick? I'd give the new lads (I include Chambers in that) a decent run out with no real pressure on them. Davis Chambers - Yoshi - Lovren - Fox Cork Wanyama Guly - Gaston - Lallana Osvaldo That SHOULD be enough to get the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 my team Davis Clyne Hooiveld Yoshida Fox Morgan Cork Guly Ramirez Lallana Osvaldo Gazza Chambers Fonte davis mayuka rodriguez isgrove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Nothing gained in asking Osvaldo to start in a reserve side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Nothing gained in asking Osvaldo to start in a reserve side. Yes I wouldn't have Osvaldo playing. Would rather he was ready for Norwich next than have to play this. Whilst I want us to have a good run in the cups we should be able to win without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Nothing gained in asking Osvaldo to start in a reserve side. Hardly a reserve team. Players like Gaston, Lallana, Cork, Wanyama etc. are all going to have a big role in our first team at some point this season. It's not like we will be playing the U18 squad plus Ossie up at Oakwell. Yes I wouldn't have Osvaldo playing. Would rather he was ready for Norwich next than have to play this. Whilst I want us to have a good run in the cups we should be able to win without him I would argue he will be more ready for Norwich if he gets 60 minutes under his belt in a decent away game. It's hardly going to knacker him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Lad & I will be there. He needs to tick it off his 92! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Hardly a reserve team. Players like Gaston, Lallana, Cork, Wanyama etc. are all going to have a big role in our first team at some point this season. It's not like we will be playing the U18 squad plus Ossie up at Oakwell. I would argue he will be more ready for Norwich if he gets 60 minutes under his belt in a decent away game. It's hardly going to knacker him out. Not worried about him being knackered just don't want him getting injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Strong team, score bucket loads and regain some confidence in the goal scoring department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Kelvin Clyne Maya Jos Fox Cork Morgan Guly S Davis Isgrove Mayuka Subs: Gazza Turnbull Gaston Rowe Osvaldo (I think it is only 5 subs, but, if 7 - add: Stephens, Gape) If that isn't enough to win we will have real problems in the league this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Kelvin Clyne Maya Jos Fox Cork Morgan Guly S Davis Isgrove Mayuka Subs: Gazza Turnbull Gaston Rowe Osvaldo (I think it is only 5 subs, but, if 7 - add: Stephens, Gape) If that isn't enough to win we will have real problems in the league this season. no where near enough up front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Not worried about him being knackered just don't want him getting injured The alternative being Lambert getting injured. Without one of those two leading the line I doubt we will be have enough to get the job done, even against a team line Barnsley. Remember last season when De Ridder, Mayuka and Lee failed to get a shot on target at Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 The alternative being Lambert getting injured. Without one of those two leading the line I doubt we will be have enough to get the job done, even against a team line Barnsley. Remember last season when De Ridder, Mayuka and Lee failed to get a shot on target at Leeds. I guess. Actually Lambert was injured towards end of game so I suppose Osvaldo will have to play some part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 no where near enough up front In your opinion. Against Barnsley, I think it is. If any of those forwards cannot score against Barnsley they have no place in our (or any Championship) squad. Guly was good enough in the Championship; Mayuka should be. Plus, I have put Osvaldo on the bench. Do you not think HE is good enough to score against Barnsley should he be required to come off the bench?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 K Davis Clyne Yoshida Hooiveld Fox Cork S Davis Mayuka Ramirez Isgrove Guly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Gazza Fox Jos Maya Clyne Cork S. Davis Isgrove Gaston Guly Mayuka Osvaldo, Stephens, Seager, Rowe, K. Davis on bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Gaston is the one player we have that a neutral would pay to watch at his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 In your opinion. Against Barnsley, I think it is. If any of those forwards cannot score against Barnsley they have no place in our (or any Championship) squad. Guly was good enough in the Championship; Mayuka should be. Plus, I have put Osvaldo on the bench. Do you not think HE is good enough to score against Barnsley should he be required to come off the bench?? that is probably weaker going forward than when we played them in the NPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Gaston is the one player we have that a neutral would pay to watch at his best. What about Guly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Team when we played them, and beat them 1-0 at Oakwell 2 years ago (13 Aug 2011): Kelvin, Richardson, Harding, Seaborne, Fonte, Hammond, Cork, Guly (Chaplow 70, s/o 84) , Lallana (Morgan 87), Lambert, Connolly (De Ridder 82) Unused subs: Bart, Martin Connolly scored the winner on 30 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Team when we played them, and beat them 1-0 at Oakwell 2 years ago (13 Aug 2011): Kelvin, Richardson, Harding, Seaborne, Fonte, Hammond, Cork, Guly (Chaplow 70, s/o 84) , Lallana (Morgan 87), Lambert, Connolly (De Ridder 82) Unused subs: Bart, Martin Connolly scored the winner on 30 mins. exactly your front 3 would hardly grace a decent NPC team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 exactly your front 3 would hardly grace a decent NPC team Yet should still be enough to beat a team bottom of the same division. (Oh, and it's a front 4.) And I do note that you declined to answer my question re Osvaldo. Also, I guess then that, IYO, Guly, Mayuka, Isgrove and S Davis should all be cast aside ASAP? If they are not good enough to play against a team bottom of the Championship then they certainly shouldn't be in a PL squad. Buck up Jamie!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 my team Davis Clyne Hooiveld Yoshida Fox Morgan Cork Guly Ramirez Lallana Osvaldo Gazza Chambers Fonte davis mayuka rodriguez isgrove You really think we need all that fire power to beat a team bottom of the Champ, who conceded 5 today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 You really think we need all that fire power to beat a team bottom of the Champ, who conceded 5 today? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 If we are serious about the cup, let's play a decent side. As Swansea and Bradford have shown in recent years, if you're positive and confident in the cups you can go far. Sod all this 'weakened' team crap, let's go for it with the strongest side we can put out. Scare the living daylights out of Barnsley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2013 K Davis Clyne Yoshida Hooiveld Fox Cork S Davis Mayuka Ramirez Isgrove Guly Between them Cork, Mayuka and Guly haven't scored in their last 120 games. Isgrove is very raw. Gaston... away from home... I wouldn't bet on that side beating even Barnsley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 yes I hope you're not selected for random drug testing on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 I hope you're not selected for random drug testing on Monday. why, we have not scored from open play this season. as we see every year in the cups, (we did it ourselves a few years back) prem team will get bloody noses in the early rounds. we played an equally weak to like you suggested last year and got thrashed away to an NPC side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 What's the point in putting the first team out? Davis Chambers Yoshi Hooiveld Fox Cork Davis Mayuka Ramirez Isgrove Guly Would me my selection. Can't see any point to starting any first-teamers (apart from Chambers) to be honest, best let the team rest after the hard-earned point today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 What's the point in putting the first team out? Davis Chambers Yoshi Hooiveld Fox Cork Davis Mayuka Ramirez Isgrove Guly Would me my selection. Can't see any point to starting any first-teamers (apart from Chambers) to be honest, best let the team rest after the hard-earned point today. to progress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Strong side please. Would love a good cup run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 why, we have not scored from open play this season. as we see every year in the cups, (we did it ourselves a few years back) prem team will get bloody noses in the early rounds. we played an equally weak to like you suggested last year and got thrashed away to an NPC side Why? Because you don't deserve a dishonourable discharge. Leeds of last season were far better than Barnsley are now. The let's compare that team to the one I have suggested: GK: Kelvin for both RB vs Leeds: Butterfield - Clyne is better LB vs Leeds: Reeves - Fox is better CBs vs Leeds: Jos (same as I suggest) Seaborne - Maya is better HMFs vs Leeds: JWP and Chaplow - Cork and Morgan, IMO, far better AMFs vs Leeds: De Ridder, Guly, Lee - Guly (same) - Isgrove and S Davis an improvement, IMO Fwd: Mayuka - same as, except now 1 year more experienced Subs s Leeds: Gazza (same), Stephens (same), Shaw, Chambers, Sinclair, Hoskins, Isgrove - the last 5 not quite as good as my Gape, Rowe, Turnbull, Gaston and Osvaldo (IMO) largely due to the last 2. So, my team is superior to that which lost to a vastly superior opposition last season. Ergo, should be good enough to win this, whilst not risking too many first teamers who we will need to get a result against Norwich next Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Kelvin Clyne Maya Jos Fox Cork Morgan Guly S Davis Isgrove Mayuka Subs: Gazza Turnbull Gaston Rowe Osvaldo (I think it is only 5 subs, but, if 7 - add: Stephens, Gape) If that isn't enough to win we will have real problems in the league this season. Too many changes, on paper that side should be good enough but that combination of players just aren't used to playing together. I'd keep a fairly consistent spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 I would love to see Isgrove in this one and see what he truly has to offer. Before Puncheon left, I thought we are an attacking midfielder light, and now he's gone I think we're two AM's light, but this is Isgrove's chance to show he can be the answer for one of those AM spots. For the other, hopefully Pochettino and Cortese still have an ace up their sleeve. Can there be any result other than a Saints win here? Well sure, which is why I hope we don't make wholesale changes. Something like: Davis Chambers Fonte Yoshida Clyne Morgan Cork Isgrove Davis JRod Lambert Subs: Gazzaniga, Jos, Fox, Wanyama, Ramirez, Lallana, Mayuka. Do we include Osvaldo or give him another full week working on training with his new teammates? Coming up with a team for this shows we're starting to have a good squad. Resting everyone who started today, our team would be: Davis Clyne Yoshida Hooiveld Fox Cork Davis Isgrove Ramirez Guly Osvaldo which would beat most sides in the Championship IMO. (Isgrove's unknown contribution aside...) I think we'll see a team more akin the the former than the latter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 to progress? We're not playing Real Madrid. Our B team will be more than enough to beat sh!tty Barnsley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 We're not playing Real Madrid. Our B team will be more than enough to beat sh!tty Barnsley. that is EXACTLY how it works in the cups much like last season at Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Is there club travel available for this? Can't find details on ticket article on OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 ----------------Gazza--------------- Chambers---Maya----Jos----Fox -----------Cork------Davis------ Isgrove--------Ramirez-----Guly --------------Mayuka----------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Hooilveld is massively better than seaborne ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 my team Davis Clyne Hooiveld Yoshida Fox Morgan Cork Guly Ramirez Lallana Osvaldo Gazza Chambers Fonte davis mayuka rodriguez isgrove Change Lallana for S. Davis and that'd be my side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 my team Davis Clyne Hooiveld Yoshida Fox Morgan Cork Guly Ramirez Lallana Osvaldo Gazza Chambers Fonte davis mayuka rodriguez isgrove Change Lallana for S. Davis and that'd be my side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Davis Clyne Maya Jos Fox Cork Davis Mayuka Guly Isgrove Jrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Davis Clyne Maya Jos Fox Cork Davis Mayuka Guly Isgrove Jrod Not strong enough. Davis Clyne yoshida hooiveld fox Cork Morgan Davis gaston guly Osvaldo(one half then mayuka) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 I'd be amazed if osvaldo even travels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Not strong enough. we'll see wont we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Kelvin or Gazza Clyne (for match fitness) Maya (game time) Fonte (would have put in Jos, but I get the shivers just thinking about Fox and Jos together) Fox (no point risking Shaw) Cork (game time) Davis (game time) Isgrove (opportunity to shine) JWP Rodriguez Guly (when else are we going to play him?) Subs Gazza/Kelvin Hooiveld Rowe Chambers Mayuka if 5 subs, add Sinclair & Stephens if 7 It may be predominantly a 2nd string side, but we need to have depth of squad and if they can't beat Barnsley (no disrespect intended) then some decisions need to be made on their future. I don't think a wet night in Barnsley is the place to risk Ramirez or Osvaldo, and don't want to run the risk of unnecessary yellow/red cards for them either. A week on the training pitch, to see them/SRL/Lallana gaining a better understanding together would be more beneficial. Plus, to be honest, if we're going to concentrate on a cup this year, I would prefer the FA Cup as there is the additional prize of a european place at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 24 August, 2013 Share Posted 24 August, 2013 Kelvin or Gazza Clyne (for match fitness) Maya (game time) Fonte (would have put in Jos, but I get the shivers just thinking about Fox and Jos together) Fox (no point risking Shaw) Cork (game time) Davis (game time) Isgrove (opportunity to shine) JWP Rodriguez Guly (when else are we going to play him?) Subs Gazza/Kelvin Hooiveld Rowe Chambers Mayuka if 5 subs, add Sinclair & Stephens if 7 It may be predominantly a 2nd string side, but we need to have depth of squad and if they can't beat Barnsley (no disrespect intended) then some decisions need to be made on their future. I don't think a wet night in Barnsley is the place to risk Ramirez or Osvaldo, and don't want to run the risk of unnecessary yellow/red cards for them either. A week on the training pitch, to see them/SRL/Lallana gaining a better understanding together would be more beneficial. Plus, to be honest, if we're going to concentrate on a cup this year, I would prefer the FA Cup as there is the additional prize of a european place at stake. If you win the League Cup, you also get a European place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 25 August, 2013 Share Posted 25 August, 2013 If you win the League Cup, you also get a European place. You're right....my bad. Still think the side I mentioned should have enough about it to beat Barnsley though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 August, 2013 Share Posted 25 August, 2013 Team when we played them, and beat them 1-0 at Oakwell 2 years ago (13 Aug 2011): Kelvin, Richardson, Harding, Seaborne, Fonte, Hammond, Cork, Guly (Chaplow 70, s/o 84) , Lallana (Morgan 87), Lambert, Connolly (De Ridder 82) Unused subs: Bart, Martin Connolly scored the winner on 30 mins.[/quote ....that's the answer then..... get Connolly back on loan from Pompey, as he seems to be scoring goals there .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 August, 2013 Share Posted 25 August, 2013 won't argue the back line -use our " reserves " .... Cork and Steve Davis midfield. Maybe Isgrove and Guly. Use.... Jay Rod and and Mayuka up front. Rickie on the bench. (Don't bother to take Osvaldo....going to Barnsley would be the world's worst culture shock for him.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 25 August, 2013 Share Posted 25 August, 2013 K Davis Clyne Yoshida Hooiveld Fox Cork S Davis Mayuka * Do Prado * Tadanari Leeeee * Sharp * * score tonight or be shipped out tomorrow (playing to prove they have a future with us) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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