Yet Another Goal From A Corner With No One On The Posts

[TijuanaTim]

Incoming.....

[BotleySaint]

Match thread?

[St.Patrik]

The team I coach - 13 years old girls - and they know to mark each post at corners....

[LainPain]

Funny that every commentator goes on and on about this but no managers ever change it. Hard to believe a team would be more successful taking two players away from competing in the air, even if it makes the goal a bit smaller.

[Olallana]

Players on post or not on this level is goalies decision, whatever makes him most comfortable.

[Lighthouse]

It's easy to talk about the goal we conceded playing with nobody on the posts. It's not so easy talking about the 5 goals we might have conceded having 2 less players defending the box. No system is 100% infallible. We've conceded once in our opening 3 hours of football, not bad going.

[kpturner]

Yet another???

[Pastor Patrón]

The post didn't score though did it.

[timayes]

The bigger worry should be that the smallest bloke on the pitch was unchallenged and in all fairness, with blokes on the post or not should have (and did) bury that header. I can only put it down to early match confusion, who's picking up who where etc, but best get it out of the way now, shouldn't think it will happen quite so easy again this year (fingers crossed) TOORL.

[Toadhall Saint]

Just were not awake - was a goal as soon as they got the corner

[jethro]

it could have been 1 from 3 or 4 to score from the corner our defence where all having a gathering the other side of the penalty area when the ball flew over

[corky morris]

I get really ****ed off that we leave no one up from opposition corners. It just allows them to put more people in our box. When we clear it comes straight back. Simply does not make sense.

[manji]

Tim lives in America you know ...and is a manager of a girl team of soccer ball players. He knows what hes talking about.

[TijuanaTim]

Tim lives in America you know ...and is a manager of a girl team of soccer ball players. He knows what hes talking about.

 

Hello manji my lovely, 2 out of 4....not bad for you mush, normally you're 100% fabrication, the two right ones are, yes I do live in the US and I can also confirm your opinion that I know what I am talking about, so thanks.

 

I also play with lots of our excellent co-posters on the Saints Web team, do you? Oh how silly of me to ask that, of course you don't and we all know why right LMFAO. Nothing personal of course, just going on what we are told....

[Hokie]

Really? The problem was that there was no one on Giaccherini. HTH.

[Whitey Grandad]

Really? The problem was that there was no one on Giaccherini. HTH.

 

Shell of a nut.

[Smirking_Saint]

Whilst a man on the post woukd have certainly helped, leaving Gianchieri unmarked was fatal, it wasnt even like it was particularly good movement on his part either !!!

[david in sweden]

Whilst a man on the post woukd have certainly helped, leaving Gianchieri unmarked was fatal, it wasnt even like it was particularly good movement on his part either !!!

 

either they missed him altogether, or someone thought......who needs to mark a midget?

[Whitey Grandad]

either they missed him altogether, or someone thought......who needs to mark a midget?

 

Indeed. The real question is why so many defenders completely misread the flight of the ball and missed their headers. The midget seemed to read it ok.

[Saint Charlie]

More strange was that Wanyama was positioned on edge of the box and JWP marking someone inside the area. Wanyama should be one of our best defensive headers.

 

Second corner their roles were reversed.

[Whitey Grandad]

All a bit of a mess, really.

[LeBenali]

Couldn't understand why at 6"2 Wanyama was on the edge of the box marking Johnson, and the likes of Lallana were in the box.....

[Turkish]

Shambolic defending, 8 players in the box marking 5 Sunderland players and the smallest man on the pitch gets between 4 players and gets a free header 6 yards out.

[Badger]

We have two 6' CB's , other who are useful in the air, yet a f^cking dwarf scores from a header !

Made I livid.

[Leicestersaint]

Shambolic. Shaw was yards away towards the near post! Dreadful.

[TijuanaTim]

Shambolic defending, 8 players in the box marking 5 Sunderland players and the smallest man on the pitch gets between 4 players and gets a free header 6 yards out.

Thank you Turkish sir...8 defenders - 5 attackers....er one defender on each post, every one of the 5 Sunderland players marked and even one spare to follow the ball. Case closed 1–0, three points. Besides that we did really well.

[max_saints]

watching the city game today, city had players on the posts when they let in two easy corners from cardiff...

 

players on posts (or lack of them) weren't the problem, the marking was.

[Grey Crab]

I agree with Tim that we should put defenders on the posts. We should also play a couple of inside halts and other tactics favoured by footballing throwbacks.

[VectisSaint]

Shambolic defending, 8 players in the box marking 5 Sunderland players and the smallest man on the pitch gets between 4 players and gets a free header 6 yards out.

He didn't get between anyone, he peeled off of the back of the group of players and found himself in space latterly vacated by SRL and not picked up by Chambers either. Man on the post would have made no difference, issue is that he was allowed to get away from the other players and those in the right area were asleep.

[Turkish]

He didn't get between anyone, he peeled off of the back of the group of players and found himself in space latterly vacated by SRL and not picked up by Chambers either. Man on the post would have made no difference, issue is that he was allowed to get away from the other players and those in the right area were asleep.

 

Yeah, peeled off and got in between Rodriguez, Lambert, Chambers and Ward Prowse (i think) to get a a fee header 6 yards out. It was shambolic defending, we had 9 outfield players in the box when the goal went in, 6 of them had gone to or were on the front post area to pick up two players, Wanyama was on the edge of the box and Cambers and Ward Prowse marking shadows.

[The Kraken]

He didn't get between anyone, he peeled off of the back of the group of players and found himself in space latterly vacated by SRL and not picked up by Chambers either. Man on the post would have made no difference, issue is that he was allowed to get away from the other players and those in the right area were asleep.

It's a pedantic point but yes, the main culprits were the players who let him drift off behind them (especially Lambert who completely got the flight of the ball wrong and ran past his man trying to attack it). To be fair, Chambers didn't cover himself in glory either and got stuck between sticking to his man and attacking the ball; in the end he did neither and allowed the free header. In all, shocking defending all round.

[Mowgli]

watching the city game today, city had players on the posts when they let in two easy corners from cardiff...

 

players on posts (or lack of them) weren't the problem, the marking was.

 

I was just about to post the same comment. Unless you have two extra players on the pitch, putting one on each post means two players will be unmarked and have a free header. Besides, defenders on the line just get in the keepers way. Really is living in the past.

[CanadaSaint]

There are lots of pros and cons but I'd certainly be inclined to use a near-post defender against teams like Sunderland that habitually hit killer in-swingers.

 

Let's not forget that we were nearly "done" again a few minutes later when Boruc just managed to scramble another Larsson corner away just before it crossed the line.

 

But, on the goal, we had six defenders sucked to beyond the near post to compete with three Sunderland players. That will leave you short of markers much more than using one or two men on the posts.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Its swings and roundabouts, plenty of goals are scored because players don't get off the post quick enough and somebody taps one in from 3 yards following a scramble. Its all about defending correctly, not this system or that. Last season Shaw (I think it was) stayed on the post and allowed Mahoney to scramble in a Wigan equaliser , when had moved off, he would have been caught off side. I would imagine they discuss it with the keeper and with mp being an international centre half , come up with the best solution for this set of players.