England Moldova Sept 6th. Rickie in squad?

[Giordano]

If Rickie scores against Sunderland, scores v Barnsley and scores v Norwich but Carroll, Rooney Wellbeck and Sturridge are fit but not scoring will he still get in the England squad for the match on the 6th? Or will he be dropped despite being the on form striker, delivering what was needed to save England and Roy versus Scotland? Odds are he won't even play v Barnsley or not much, so its two matches.

 

Yeah, exactly. Would be like MLT v Russia all over again...

 

Lets see if Roy is as spineless as all the other England managers have been regarding picking players on form rather than who they play for the last thirty years.

[The Kraken]

If Sturridge keeps scoring then he'll be in the squad. Rightly so. Rooney will get in come what may. Welbeck has probably scored enough in Roy's eyes this season to earn himself a WC call.

 

I reckon if RL had scored the second goal instead of hitting the post, there's simply no way he could have been dropped for the next game. As it is, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he doesn't make the next squad. I genuinely hope he does though, and makes the plane to Brazil.

[Saint_Tony]

To be fair Hodgson did pick Lambert when we weren't expecting it. He admitted Sturridge and Carroll were ahead in the pecking order. Having said that, he can't exactly drop someone with a 100% goal record at international level, can he?

 

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[Golden Balls]

Can understand him picking Sturridge and Welbeck but I'd be ****ed off if Carroll gets the nod in front of him and RL has more goals.

Edited 23 August, 2013 by Golden Balls

[benjii]

Whether he outperforms Rooney and Welbeck is irrelevant as Hodgson will pick them regardless. If Sturridge has been performing badly he will pick someone like Defoe.

 

If he outperforms Carroll he will probably be picked in the squad (but won't start the matches, barring last-minute injuries to the others).

 

Hodgson has clearly decided to go with one central, mobile player and two speedy, wide supporting players.

 

Basically, there is one space in the squad, it seems, for a "different" type of forward (ie. not a nippy, mobile, player).

[Saint Lindford]

Isn't the donkey still injured?

[hypochondriac]

He will get in and be on the bench.

[Giordano]

Scotland have announced there squad for 6th September game - any ideas when England will do there's? Saturday night?

[mulletsaint]

Personally I think Gary Neville prefers Lambert at this time and will be in Roy's ear. Anyone see MNF? Neville was very complimentary and even mentioned him when he was talking about other teams. If he can score a goal or two in the next couple of Prem matches before then and his general performance level is high I'd expect him to get in.

[Turkish]

To be fair Hodgson did pick Lambert when we weren't expecting it. He admitted Sturridge and Carroll were ahead in the pecking order. Having said that, he can't exactly drop someone with a 100% goal record at international level, can he?

 

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David Nugent?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

David Nugent?

 

Was Jeffers the same too?

[DuncanRG]

Sturridge and Welbeck both look to be in very good form as well. He's in with a shout but if he doesn't make it I wouldn't see it as an injustice unless a clearly injured/out-of-form Carroll gets picked instead.

[JRM]

anyone know when Carroll is expected back from injury and when the England squad is going to be announced?

 

with any luck Carroll won't play again before the squad which should means he misses out and Lambert gets another chance to impress. Moldova at home would be a good chance to get on the scoresheet again.

[egg]

Was Jeffers the same too?

And our Danny Wallace I think.

[Turkish]

And our Danny Wallace I think.

 

Indeed he was sir. And he one and only goal and appearance came against?????

[Miltonaggro]

Egypt if my memory serves...

[View From The Top]

anyone know when Carroll is expected back from injury and when the England squad is going to be announced?

 

with any luck Carroll won't play again before the squad which should means he misses out and Lambert gets another chance to impress. Moldova at home would be a good chance to get on the scoresheet again.

 

He's put for a while yet. October I believe.

[egg]

Egypt if my memory serves...

 

Yep. I'm not going to try to guess the year though.

[lickierambert]

I think Hodgson is coming round to the idea he needs Rickie/Carroll on the bench to complement Rooney, Sturridge and Welbeck. I see Defoe a little way down the pecking order, especially with Soldado coming in at Spurs.

 

With Carroll currently injured and unlikely to get more than 2 games in beforehand, I genuinely think there'll be a public backlash if Carroll is selected ahead of Lambert. The rags-to-riches story peddled by the media is genuinely engrossing.

[St Jim]

Hope he is, over in the UK at the moment and have tickets for it

[sussexsaint]

Saw today's sun at the kwik fit earlier and there was a whole page on why Woy won't pick lambert again, as he is too slow.

[Batman]

Saw today's sun at the kwik fit earlier and there was a whole page on why Woy won't pick lambert again, as he is too slow.

 

on the sunday supplement the other day, one of the journos was doubting lambert (to be fair, the other 3 were all for him) and said it should be carroll ahead when he is fit. on the basis that, although carroll is not really that much quick than lambert, he is more 'rangey' when he runs

 

WTF!!!!???

[westmidlandsaint]

Surely the squad will be Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge (in for Defoe) & Lambert ahead of Carroll. I think Lambert will make the next squad or 2 but not get any game time and will be slowly phased out of the squad, this way Hodgson saves a big fuss if he doesn't pick him in the next squad after his Scotland heroics bu everyone will have forgotten about that in 2/3 squads time.

[The Kraken]

Let's be honest; in an ideal world it wouldn't be either Lambert or Carroll. I grew up in an era of having to pick from strikers such as Shearer, Wright, Ferdinand, Sheringham, Fowler, Cole and Owen. Andy Cole was a nobody for England but, had he played in today's era, he's probably have as many caps as Rooney.

[pap]

Rickie will be desperate to cement a place ahead of the World Cup, which will hopefully lead to some more inspired performances. Think Osvaldo being in the team will benefit him too - someone else for defences to keep an eye on.

[The9]

It'll be Sturridge, Welbeck, Rooney and Lambert if they're all fit, I think, but he probably won't get on.

 

Carroll would need to score a few in a limited timescale before being considered fit enough and Defoe just isn't playing. Always the possibility Bent starts scoring though...

Edited 23 August, 2013 by The9

[richard]

Let's be honest; in an ideal world it wouldn't be either Lambert or Carroll. I grew up in an era of having to pick from strikers such as Shearer, Wright, Ferdinand, Sheringham, Fowler, Cole and Owen. Andy Cole was a nobody for England but, had he played in today's era, he's probably have as many caps as Rooney.

 

Do you think this situation is caused solely by the Premiership money? It's difficult to imagine that the presence of foreign imports could have such a catastrophic effect in such a short time. I would still expect the super-talented to be discovered, but maybe if all the top 3 tier team are buying players in then English players don't get a chance to prove themselves?

[The Kraken]

Do you think this situation is caused solely by the Premiership money? It's difficult to imagine that the presence of foreign imports could have such a catastrophic effect in such a short time. I would still expect the super-talented to be discovered, but maybe if all the top 3 tier team are buying players in then English players don't get a chance to prove themselves?

I don't know what it comes down to. Let's face it, those lot of strikers were definitely an embarrassment of riches. But like you I can't lay the blame solely at the Premier league being inundated with foreigners. In footballing terms we're still a significant country in our own right, and to have fallen so far is as baffling as it is frustrating.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I can see a case for Carroll and would imagine woy sees him ahead of Rickie. What srl has managed to do is give woy a viable alternative, whereas previously it was Carroll or no big man. He's got more if a chance than he had 5 weeks ago and that's a positive.

[DuncanRG]

Do you think this situation is caused solely by the Premiership money? It's difficult to imagine that the presence of foreign imports could have such a catastrophic effect in such a short time. I would still expect the super-talented to be discovered, but maybe if all the top 3 tier team are buying players in then English players don't get a chance to prove themselves?

 

It's been going on for well over a decade now. It's not as much about young players proving themselves as actually being able to realise their potential. You have to be playing competitive first team football to reach your best.

[The Kraken]

It's been going on for well over a decade now. It's not as much about young players proving themselves as actually being able to realise their potential. You have to be playing competitive first team football to reach your best.

You also have to be decent in the first place. Robbie Fowler, or Michael Owen breaking through were never going to be held up by having a foreigner in there. They were good enough in their own right; Fowler was being scouted all across Europe before he made his Liverpool debut. Its as much about talent as it is about being given a chance, and Engand haven't produced consistently like that for years.

[doddisalegend]

Roy, like all managers, needs a plan B. I can't see Lambert as a starter for England but as an option off the bench that provides something different he surely should be in the team....who knows maybe his enthusiasm will rub off on the rest of the squad so that they might, at least, look like playing for England actually matters to them.

[The Kraken]

Roy, like all managers, needs a plan B. I can't see Lambert as a starter for England but as an option off the bench that provides something different he surely should be in the team....who knows maybe his enthusiasm will rub off on the rest of the squad so that they might, at least, look like playing for England actually matters to them.

Amen to that. What caught me most was not how delighted (obviously) Rickie was when he scored, but how delighted the whole team was for him. Even Lampard, a seasoned pro, was hugging him and had a genuinely massive smile on his face. When Beattie played for England as a Saint it looked like he was treated as an outcast; Rickie made it happen for himself and his enthusiasm seemed to be infectious.

[CanadaSaint]

Amen to that. What caught me most was not how delighted (obviously) Rickie was when he scored, but how delighted the whole team was for him. Even Lampard, a seasoned pro, was hugging him and had a genuinely massive smile on his face. When Beattie played for England as a Saint it looked like he was treated as an outcast; Rickie made it happen for himself and his enthusiasm seemed to be infectious.

 

In this day and age you can't put a price on those unique individuals who can act like glue in a dressing room full of rather self-absorbed types.

 

And that, perhaps more than anything on the playing side, could be Roy's most compelling reason for picking him, because I don't think that was lost on him either.

[Baird of the land]

If he carries on scoring and Carroll/Defoe aint then can't see how he won't make the next squad. However he'll have to keep it up all season or else Roy will take any excuse to drop him imo.

[DuncanRG]

Why does everyone act like Hodgson needs an 'excuse' to drop someone? He's the manager.

[alpine_saint]

Rickie has had his Warhol moment.

 

Woy will drop him again in favour of top 6 prima donnas; he clearly stated that Rickie doesnt fit the style of play he wants. What that style is, apart from losing to a bunch of second-rate Sweaties, I'll never know...

[The Kraken]

Alpine I've missed you while times have been good.

[The9]

Do you think this situation is caused solely by the Premiership money? It's difficult to imagine that the presence of foreign imports could have such a catastrophic effect in such a short time. I would still expect the super-talented to be discovered, but maybe if all the top 3 tier team are buying players in then English players don't get a chance to prove themselves?

 

You mean in the last 18 years ? Which is the entire lifetime of some of England's fringe prospects at the moment.

 

How is two decades not long enough to cause a load of kids who might otherwise be playing regular top division football to not get those opportunities ? It could happen practically overnight if a club signed a few established foreign players !

 

The supertalented are stockpiled by the top clubs and often don't get a look in due to established internationals ahead of them, and the less super-talented can't get a run in teams because it takes time that clubs and managers don't have to develop players at the first team level.

 

Look at Chelsea trying to move on their aged core of Terry, Lampard, and Drogba - they brought Villas-Boas in to do that 3 years ago, but due to the instant demands of modern football they're 4 managers down and 2 of those players are still regularly playing.

Edited 24 August, 2013 by The9

[The9]

Why does everyone act like Hodgson needs an 'excuse' to drop someone? He's the manager.

 

I think the idea is that you'd expect the manager to have a logical and justifiable rationale for his decisions. He's already outright come out and said Lambert's 3rd choice behind Sturridge and Carroll without even considering Welbeck, Rooney and anyone else, but his thinking seems to be based on the belief that Lambert's just a hard-working 3rd tier player who's a bit better than he was in 2008 when Fulham played Bristol Rovers.

 

You'd hope his enthuasiam and effort alone, as noted repeatedly, would be worth inclusion in the squad just to remind the regulars what it should mean to them, but not sure that's what he's thinking.

[hutch]

Don't forget Carroll doesn't play for a top six club anymore

[lickierambert]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2402287/Roy-Hodgson-decide-select-Daniel-Sturridge-months-World-Cup-qualifiers.html

 

Roy picks his squad tomorrow. This article suggests a larger-than-usual squad will be selected. It will be very interesting whether Lambert is selected.

[The Kraken]

Sturridge has to be picked, he's a very good player and has showed both at Bolton and now at Liverpool that when he's given a chance up front he will score goals. Rooney and Welbeck will be automatic choices, you'd hope that Lambert can squeeze in for a squad place at least. Hodgson would be an idiot to not include him as a squad member, but soemtimes you just never know. My money is on Rickie making the squad but getting very little if any game time.

[kpturner]

Don't forget Carroll doesn't play for a top six club anymore

 

He does at the moment

[hutch]

Yeah but so does Rickie at the moment

[itchen_dan]

Star seem to think he's in

 

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/334825/Rickie-Lambert-poised-for-Roy-Hodgson-World-Cup-qualifier-nod?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-star-football+%28Daily+Star+%3A%3A+Football+Feed%29