ant Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 A couple of pages of note on this website. This one links to a list of the PL clubs: http://debt.co.uk/football/ You can click on each for a brief overview or go through to their full profile for a deeper run-down. The stats aren't 100% accurate as they state Schneiderlin didn't cost us anything. One of the sources is Sports Interactive (developers of Football Manager), heh. Still, worth a look as a rough guide. This one conveys footballer wages in relation to your own: http://debt.co.uk/football/wages/ May not be new information to some, but I thought I'd post the site anyway since it's quite a neat summary. The level of expenditure in the PL remains just about feasible due to the ever-expanding TV money, but how long until the bubble bursts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 They've been saying "the bubble will burst" for the last 15 years and every TV deal is bigger and bigger. The bubble will only burst for clubs that spend well beyond their means and then get relegated stuck with players on big contracts with no sell on fee. The top clubs will just continue to get richer and richer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 The so-called 'Fair Play Rules' will be ineffective as long as those who are supposed to promote football on a level playing filed have their own self-interest as a main priority. Michel Platini and FIFA are our best hope for a fairer future but I would hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 23 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2013 Either way we're reasonably well positioned. Wages and debt no higher than average (assuming we've been sensible with Lovren/Wanyama/Osvaldo); young squad with decent resale value; academy setup that consistently churns out talent. No doubt we would have to make cutbacks if the TV money dried up, but they wouldn't be so severe as most of our peers. Although talk from jealous skates focuses on their hope that we'll go the same way as they did, in reality we couldn't be more different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 Interesting Man City's debt at £58m compared to Chelsea's at £878m. I'm guessing these figures don't tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 That article is just complete rubbish ( No offence Ant) and is way off any real facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 Interesting Man City's debt at £58m compared to Chelsea's at £878m. I'm guessing these figures don't tell the whole story. How much did City get their stadium sponsored for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 They've been saying "the bubble will burst" for the last 15 years and every TV deal is bigger and bigger. The bubble will only burst for clubs that spend well beyond their means and then get relegated stuck with players on big contracts with no sell on fee. The top clubs will just continue to get richer and richer. I do think the next tv contact might not be so lucrative. Fact the Al Jazeera is available as well as multiple streams means football addicts will no longer have to go to Sky for their fix. Not sure how they bid though as SKy could never afford to lose rights so dont know if second place game close in the 116 live games a season bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 I do think the next tv contact might not be so lucrative. Fact the Al Jazeera is available as well as multiple streams means football addicts will no longer have to go to Sky for their fix. Not sure how they bid though as SKy could never afford to lose rights so dont know if second place game close in the 116 live games a season bid. people have been saying that every few years. yet the global reach of the prem continues to grow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 Indeed but could you ever watch Saints games from your Ipad without using Sky? The demand for the PL is inelastic but supply is no longer a monopoly - this determines price. Technology moves fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 They've been saying "the bubble will burst" for the last 15 years and every TV deal is bigger and bigger. The bubble will only burst for clubs that spend well beyond their means and then get relegated stuck with players on big contracts with no sell on fee. The top clubs will just continue to get richer and richer. You mean like Portsmouth ?? That worked out well. Thanks to their "Friends" in high places, they wrote off over £160M, and are STILL in existance. All the little corner shops they swindled out of paying DIDN'T survive. Their mysterious "Friend" should hang his head in shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 That article is just complete rubbish ( No offence Ant) and is way off any real facts. Agreed, bunch of know it all college kids spouting utter bull to be honest. According to them, Morgan was a free transfer, and they have no records for us from before the premier... lazy BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 23 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2013 Digging a little deeper I don't doubt the figures are a bit screwy and said as much in the OP. However it does lend some relativity to football money. Maybe it's just me but reams of zeros mean nothing. A few hundred thousand pounds seems to come across as pocket money to the clubs. Putting it in terms of what I earn is much more hard-hitting. Scarily enough the people that put this together are far from college kids: http://www.cleardebt.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 How in the hell did Fulham have the second highest debt in the league last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 You mean like Portsmouth ?? That worked out well. Thanks to their "Friends" in high places, they wrote off over £160M, and are STILL in existance. All the little corner shops they swindled out of paying DIDN'T survive. Their mysterious "Friend" should hang his head in shame 5 years ago they won the FA cup, finished in the top half of the premier league, had a team containing 5 england internationals and were about to embark on a European campaign which would see them host AC Milan. This time last week they hadn't won a game in L2 and were about to host Morecombe. If that isn't Bubbble bursting then what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 I do think the next tv contact might not be so lucrative. Fact the Al Jazeera is available as well as multiple streams means football addicts will no longer have to go to Sky for their fix. Not sure how they bid though as SKy could never afford to lose rights so dont know if second place game close in the 116 live games a season bid. Again they said that this time. There has to come a point I guess but the premier league is a global brand. Can you see that changing anytime soon? It's not even the best league or contains the best teams in Europe yet still people around the world can't get enough of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 5 years ago they won the FA cup, finished in the top half of the premier league, had a team containing 5 england internationals and were about to embark on a European campaign which would see them host AC Milan. This time last week they hadn't won a game in L2 and were about to host Morecombe. If that isn't Bubbble bursting then what is? But it's all ok because they never liked those days anyway and much prefer "real" football in league 2.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 (edited) Again they said that this time. There has to come a point I guess but the premier league is a global brand. Can you see that changing anytime soon? It's not even the best league or contains the best teams in Europe yet still people around the world can't get enough of it. my point isn't the appeal of the brand - that is stronger than ever. The problem will be how we 'consume' it i.e not necessarily via Sky/BT Sport. Technology has made it far simpler to not pay a penny to said companies and therefore value of rights must diminish in some way to Uk. Admittedly still be very strong globally. some interesting summary stats of how it has increased: http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/in-premier-league-sun-always-shines-on.html Edited 23 August, 2013 by whelk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 my point isn't the appeal of the brand - that is stronger than ever. The problem will be how we 'consume' it i.e not necessarily via Sky/BT Sport. Technology has made it far simpler to not pay a penny to said companies and therefore value of rights must diminish in some way to Uk. Admittedly still be very strong globally. some interesting summary stats of how it has increased: http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/in-premier-league-sun-always-shines-on.html It's not just about us in the UK though is it. Whilst the huge Asian market is still obsessed by premier league football then there is a market far greater than the UK and Europe, then there is Africa. Anyone that has ever been there will know how obsessed they are with football, the American market still not fully tapped into. Whilst people continue to buy it so the revenue will continue to increases. People have warned for years that the gravy train is coming to and end, but is shows no signs of letting up. Remember how championship football was effected by the collapse of ITV digital? We'll that didn't stop TV revenues for the premier league contuning to increase, depsite warnings then that this was the beginning of the end for footballs popularity on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 It all stems from who is willing to pay the money to fund these rights deals. While there are companies willing to pay more for the exposure, and there are consumers willing to pay to watch the services, then they may well continue to go up - but customers will not expect their subscriptions to go up by the same rate as these deals are increasing, and I doubt advertisiers will want to see a similar increase in advertising rates. It can only be justified by a similar return on that investment. Ignore the fact it's football - it's a simple fact that consumers and advertisiers will only pay for it whilst they think it is worth it... for consumers that depends on the quality and their own disposable incomes, for advertisers it depends on the return on investment and their marketing budgets, and it's the same for all sports and rights deals. That level of growth in rights payments is not going to continue indefinitely, but the bubble won't 'burst' as such... we'll just hear about it when subscriber and advertising revenue starts to level off. It'll be interesting to see when and how that happens, and how sport will react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupu Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 Just read an interesting piece yesterday on transfer fees, pointing out that a year ago in June the record transfers of e.g. Spurs and Arse pretty much matched with what we paid for Dani... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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