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Not sure we want a winger really. MP said Osvaldo coming in made it harder for Punch to play so surely the case for any other winger unless they are a huge upgrade.

 

Hoe does a striker coming in make it difficult for a winger to get a game?

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Hoe does a striker coming in make it difficult for a winger to get a game?

 

Because we like to rotate around the front 4. If Osvaldo is up front, Lambert could be in the hole which means there is one less space for players like Punch, Lallana, Gaston, Davis, JWP, Guly, Isgrove and JRod.

 

Personally I don't think we need any more wingers or strikers at the moment.

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Because we like to rotate around the front 4. If Osvaldo is up front, Lambert could be in the hole which means there is one less space for players like Punch, Lallana, Gaston, Davis, JWP, Guly, Isgrove and JRod.

 

Personally I don't think we need any more wingers or strikers at the moment.

 

 

Isgrove is young, Guly is ****, Lallana is not a pacy winger, Ramirez is a supposed creative midfielder, Davis is a traditional midfielder, JWP is a midfielder, Rodriguez needs competition and I dont think he should be wide right.

 

 

?------Schneiderlin----Wanyama-----Lallana

------------Lambert-----------------------

--------------Osvaldo----------------------

 

 

Rodriguez will play there but an out an out pacy winger with skill and composure is needed.

 

 

Oh **** Mayuka..............................

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Go on, I am intrigued.

 

Essentially we play with the two holding midfielders and then a forward unit of four who tuck in and attempt to constrict and press when the opposition have the ball, this stops the counter attack but also attempts to win the ball high up the pitch (though without pace its hard to capitalise) J Rod is really the only one that drives forward in wide positions, but essentially the width comes from the full backs.

 

Not saying that the AMs never drift wide, just essentially this isnt part of their play.

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Go on, I am intrigued.

 

Width comes from two attacking full backs with 3 attacking midfielders occupying the hole behind our lone striker. Means there is usually 5/6 people pressing forward from different angles, just not traditional wide players starting out there/sitting out there...

 

 

Slow response when Smirking_Saint has a more detailed explanation.

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Essentially we play with the two holding midfielders and then a forward unit of four who tuck in and attempt to constrict and press when the opposition have the ball, this stops the counter attack but also attempts to win the ball high up the pitch (though without pace its hard to capitalise) J Rod is really the only one that drives forward in wide positions, but essentially the width comes from the full backs.

 

Not saying that the AMs never drift wide, just essentially this isnt part of their play.

 

Ok, where do you see most of our goals coming from and how?

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Width comes from two attacking full backs with 3 attacking midfielders occupying the hole behind our lone striker. Means there is usually 5/6 people pressing forward from different angles, just not traditional wide players starting out there/sitting out there...

 

 

Slow response when Smirking_Saint has a more detailed explanation.

 

If you are trying to say our full back are wing backs then you are wrong as how much dovetailing goes on? Its just Clyne and Shaws natural game, if we are going to attack and defend in numbers surely that requires a complete passing and control game (Barcelona, Munich), do we honestly have those sorts of players? We need an avenue to create pressure and also ease some.

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If you are trying to say our full back are wing backs then you are wrong as how much dovetailing goes on? Its just Clyne and Shaws natural game, if we are going to attack and defend in numbers surely that requires a complete passing and control game (Barcelona, Munich), do we honestly have those sorts of players? We need an avenue to create pressure and also ease some.

 

My point is our direct width that tends to come from wingers is being provided by Clyne/Shaw now because buying effective wingers is really expensive/difficult when we have a lot of good attacking midfielders who are better in the middle and sometimes drifting out wide to pull defenders away, which in turn creates and eases pressure in similar ways to classic wingers. The tactics and formations we now employ are to make better use of the players we have instead of trying to bring in/press players into being wingers which is unproductive and quite often the undoing of us.

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Smirking_Saint

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Ok, where do you see most of our goals coming from and how?

 

Compination of a couple of set pieces, a few from our attacking midfielders, Lambert and Osvaldo

 

Now that we have a mobile striker, that can play off the ladt man we can arguably capitalise on winning the ball high up the pitch and transitioning quickly into an attacking area, the full backs overlap and provide width out wide which will put balls into the box for Lambert or osvaldo.

 

Attacking wise we set up as so

 

-----------GK-----------

----CB ---DM---CB----

FB-----DM---AM------FB

----AM----ST----AM-----

 

But it obviously looks a lot prettier, and obviously it doesnt always happen that way but essentially thats the transition

 

This is also how we press high up and attempt to stiffle the counter attack, obviously you can see why the system is susceptible to the longball and probably why Wanyama is here

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Compination of a couple of set pieces, a few from our attacking midfielders, Lambert and Osvaldo

 

Now that we have a mobile striker, that can play off the ladt man we can arguably capitalise on winning the ball high up the pitch and transitioning quickly into an attacking area, the full backs overlap and provide width out wide which will put balls into the box for Lambert or osvaldo.

 

Attacking wise we set up as so

 

-----------GK-----------

----CB ---DM---CM----

FB-----DM---AM------FB

----AM----ST----AM-----

 

But it obviously looks a lot prettier, and obviously it doesnt always happen that way but essentially thats the transition

 

This is also how we press high up and attempt to stiffle the counter attack, obviously you can see why the system is susceptible to the longball and probably why Wanyama is here

 

 

I'm not convinced Osvlado is a mobile striker.

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The formation we use is 4-2-3-1 what I am talking is the transitional phase from defence to attack

 

Yeah, i knew what you meant exactly (and you are quite correct in my opinion). You just went cwazy with your AMs, CMs and DMs which makes your point harder to follow when looking at the formation

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I'm not convinced Osvlado is a mobile striker.

 

Compared to Lambert ?

 

Al reports I have heard from him is that he leads the line and you will not find a harder working CF, he will chase the ball down all day and will run the channels.

 

I think he is the man we needed, and excited for the season now

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Compared to Lambert ?

 

Al reports I have heard from him is that he leads the line and you will not find a harder working CF, he will chase the ball down all day and will run the channels.

 

I think he is the man we needed, and excited for the season now

 

Carragher has played against him and said he doesn't run the channels and covers the width if posts.

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I don't think we ever really wanted him to be honest.

 

As has been alluded to elsewhere, we don't really play with natural wingers. We play a very condensed game through the middle and a lot of our attacks go through the middle.

 

Our width is supplied by the roaming front 3 and the full backs, so natural width isn't really going to be a part of our game. For a new player to come in, they'd need to be a player who could operate all across the front 3 - not just an out and out winger.

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Barry Sanchez

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Compared to Lambert ?

 

Al reports I have heard from him is that he leads the line and you will not find a harder working CF, he will chase the ball down all day and will run the channels.

 

I think he is the man we needed, and excited for the season now

 

You may have heard that but is it true? He is a striker who is physical and will run but he is not a Michael Owen or Hernandez.

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I don't think we ever really wanted him to be honest.

 

As has been alluded to elsewhere, we don't really play with natural wingers. We play a very condensed game through the middle and a lot of our attacks go through the middle.

 

Our width is supplied by the roaming front 3 and the full backs, so natural width isn't really going to be a part of our game. For a new player to come in, they'd need to be a player who could operate all across the front 3 - not just an out and out winger.

 

Didnt Sinclair basically play as a striker for Swansea?

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Carragher has played against him and said he doesn't run the channels and covers the width if posts.

 

TBF to carra I expect he only played against him once, Ill go with those that watched him on a regular basis, and more importantly how he played originally for MoPo

 

Bazzer, not saying he is rapid mate, just that he moves faster than the comparative shuffle that we currently have

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I can't believe we've let one winger go and missed out on another one FFS and we still need a terrier in midfield and a small nippy striker to run onto Rickies and Ossies flicks when we get it into the mixer. We need a couple to pacy wingers in before the window shuts or no way will we be able to play an effective 4-4-2.

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Proper engine. Eyebrows at the front stick. Good feet for a big man.

 

Be good to have two big lads up front for when we stick it in the mixer if we're chasing a game. If only we had a couple of pacy wingers to get down the line and get the crosses into the back stick.

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Be good to have two big lads up front for when we stick it in the mixer if we're chasing a game. If only we had a couple of pacy wingers to get down the line and get the crosses into the back stick.

 

All about the POMO, just get into 'em then get it into the mixer for the big man to stick it in

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