SKY Sports just announced Sinclair gone to WBA

[saintadjg]

SSN just announced Sinclair has gone to WBA

We'll take Banega instead

[The Saint]

Would have been a nice signing, but not too disappointed.

 

Can't help thinking it's a strange move for him though...

[Saint Charlie]

Not sure we want a winger really. MP said Osvaldo coming in made it harder for Punch to play so surely the case for any other winger unless they are a huge upgrade.

[mcbendy]

Why does this need a new thread?

[saintadjg]

Well seeing as we were being linked with him i guess it kind of ends the speculation.

[Barry Sanchez]

**** that, we need someone on the wings who has some pedigree, a bit of a weak spot that along with our full back 2nd's.

[Barry Sanchez]

Not sure we want a winger really. MP said Osvaldo coming in made it harder for Punch to play so surely the case for any other winger unless they are a huge upgrade.

 

Where does he plan to play Osvaldo?

[Mr X]

Not sure we want a winger really. MP said Osvaldo coming in made it harder for Punch to play so surely the case for any other winger unless they are a huge upgrade.

 

Hoe does a striker coming in make it difficult for a winger to get a game?

[Lighthouse]

Hoe does a striker coming in make it difficult for a winger to get a game?

 

Because we like to rotate around the front 4. If Osvaldo is up front, Lambert could be in the hole which means there is one less space for players like Punch, Lallana, Gaston, Davis, JWP, Guly, Isgrove and JRod.

 

Personally I don't think we need any more wingers or strikers at the moment.

[Roger]

Osvaldo will come in from the flanks sometimes like he did at espanol

[Restark19]

see Andros Townsend's scored 1 and created 1 today for spurs, personally I would take him on loan..

[saintadjg]

no loans for me,i only want to see buying players or promoting from within

[Barry Sanchez]

Because we like to rotate around the front 4. If Osvaldo is up front, Lambert could be in the hole which means there is one less space for players like Punch, Lallana, Gaston, Davis, JWP, Guly, Isgrove and JRod.

 

Personally I don't think we need any more wingers or strikers at the moment.

 

 

Isgrove is young, Guly is ****, Lallana is not a pacy winger, Ramirez is a supposed creative midfielder, Davis is a traditional midfielder, JWP is a midfielder, Rodriguez needs competition and I dont think he should be wide right.

 

 

?------Schneiderlin----Wanyama-----Lallana

------------Lambert-----------------------

--------------Osvaldo----------------------

 

 

Rodriguez will play there but an out an out pacy winger with skill and composure is needed.

 

 

Oh **** Mayuka..............................

[Barry Sanchez]

Osvaldo will come in from the flanks sometimes like he did at espanol

 

Was that playing 4-3-3?

[Smirking_Saint]

Hoe does a striker coming in make it difficult for a winger to get a game?

 

Simple really, we dont play with Wingers

[Barry Sanchez]

Simple really, we dont play with Wingers

 

Go on, I am intrigued.

[studentsaint]

Typical of saints theis window to miss out on talent to west brom...

[doubleonothing]

Wonder now much was staked on him joining us by the users of this board?

[Window Cleaner]

Wonder now much was staked on him joining us by the users of this board?

 

even if it was 20p it was too much. Not good enough for Citeh=not good enough for us

[Smirking_Saint]

Go on, I am intrigued.

 

Essentially we play with the two holding midfielders and then a forward unit of four who tuck in and attempt to constrict and press when the opposition have the ball, this stops the counter attack but also attempts to win the ball high up the pitch (though without pace its hard to capitalise) J Rod is really the only one that drives forward in wide positions, but essentially the width comes from the full backs.

 

Not saying that the AMs never drift wide, just essentially this isnt part of their play.

[pingwing]

Go on, I am intrigued.

 

Width comes from two attacking full backs with 3 attacking midfielders occupying the hole behind our lone striker. Means there is usually 5/6 people pressing forward from different angles, just not traditional wide players starting out there/sitting out there...

 

 

Slow response when Smirking_Saint has a more detailed explanation.

[Barry Sanchez]

Essentially we play with the two holding midfielders and then a forward unit of four who tuck in and attempt to constrict and press when the opposition have the ball, this stops the counter attack but also attempts to win the ball high up the pitch (though without pace its hard to capitalise) J Rod is really the only one that drives forward in wide positions, but essentially the width comes from the full backs.

 

Not saying that the AMs never drift wide, just essentially this isnt part of their play.

 

Ok, where do you see most of our goals coming from and how?

[Barry Sanchez]

Width comes from two attacking full backs with 3 attacking midfielders occupying the hole behind our lone striker. Means there is usually 5/6 people pressing forward from different angles, just not traditional wide players starting out there/sitting out there...

 

 

Slow response when Smirking_Saint has a more detailed explanation.

 

If you are trying to say our full back are wing backs then you are wrong as how much dovetailing goes on? Its just Clyne and Shaws natural game, if we are going to attack and defend in numbers surely that requires a complete passing and control game (Barcelona, Munich), do we honestly have those sorts of players? We need an avenue to create pressure and also ease some.

[Batman]

our club is a joke. cant close a deal like this

 

who is to blame?

not happy

[pingwing]

If you are trying to say our full back are wing backs then you are wrong as how much dovetailing goes on? Its just Clyne and Shaws natural game, if we are going to attack and defend in numbers surely that requires a complete passing and control game (Barcelona, Munich), do we honestly have those sorts of players? We need an avenue to create pressure and also ease some.

 

My point is our direct width that tends to come from wingers is being provided by Clyne/Shaw now because buying effective wingers is really expensive/difficult when we have a lot of good attacking midfielders who are better in the middle and sometimes drifting out wide to pull defenders away, which in turn creates and eases pressure in similar ways to classic wingers. The tactics and formations we now employ are to make better use of the players we have instead of trying to bring in/press players into being wingers which is unproductive and quite often the undoing of us.

[Barry Sanchez]

our club is a joke. cant close a deal like this

 

who is to blame?

not happy

 

 

Robin.

[Smirking_Saint]

Ok, where do you see most of our goals coming from and how?

 

Compination of a couple of set pieces, a few from our attacking midfielders, Lambert and Osvaldo

 

Now that we have a mobile striker, that can play off the ladt man we can arguably capitalise on winning the ball high up the pitch and transitioning quickly into an attacking area, the full backs overlap and provide width out wide which will put balls into the box for Lambert or osvaldo.

 

Attacking wise we set up as so

 

-----------GK-----------

----CB ---DM---CB----

FB-----DM---AM------FB

----AM----ST----AM-----

 

But it obviously looks a lot prettier, and obviously it doesnt always happen that way but essentially thats the transition

 

This is also how we press high up and attempt to stiffle the counter attack, obviously you can see why the system is susceptible to the longball and probably why Wanyama is here

Edited 22 August, 2013 by Smirking_Saint

[grezz]

Ah yes, the lesser known 3-6-1 formation

[speed demon]

Wonder now much was staked on him joining us by the users of this board?

 

Glasgow probably had one of his £100 bets @ 18/1.....

[Smirking_Saint]

Ah yes, the lesser known 3-6-1 formation

 

The formation we use is 4-2-3-1 what I am talking is the transitional phase from defence to attack

[Barry Sanchez]

Compination of a couple of set pieces, a few from our attacking midfielders, Lambert and Osvaldo

 

Now that we have a mobile striker, that can play off the ladt man we can arguably capitalise on winning the ball high up the pitch and transitioning quickly into an attacking area, the full backs overlap and provide width out wide which will put balls into the box for Lambert or osvaldo.

 

Attacking wise we set up as so

 

-----------GK-----------

----CB ---DM---CM----

FB-----DM---AM------FB

----AM----ST----AM-----

 

But it obviously looks a lot prettier, and obviously it doesnt always happen that way but essentially thats the transition

 

This is also how we press high up and attempt to stiffle the counter attack, obviously you can see why the system is susceptible to the longball and probably why Wanyama is here

 

 

I'm not convinced Osvlado is a mobile striker.

[grezz]

The formation we use is 4-2-3-1 what I am talking is the transitional phase from defence to attack

 

Yeah, i knew what you meant exactly (and you are quite correct in my opinion). You just went cwazy with your AMs, CMs and DMs which makes your point harder to follow when looking at the formation

[Smirking_Saint]

Yeah, i knew what you meant exactly (and you are quite correct in my opinion). You just went cwazy with your AMs, CMs and DMs which makes your point harder to follow when looking at the formation

 

Lol that CM was meant to be a CB, sorry bud

[Smirking_Saint]

I'm not convinced Osvlado is a mobile striker.

 

Compared to Lambert ?

 

Al reports I have heard from him is that he leads the line and you will not find a harder working CF, he will chase the ball down all day and will run the channels.

 

I think he is the man we needed, and excited for the season now

[SNSUN]

Not too depressed with missing out here. IF we're after another attacking midfielder, there are better options out there. What a day for WBA fans.

[Roger]

Compared to Lambert ?

 

Al reports I have heard from him is that he leads the line and you will not find a harder working CF, he will chase the ball down all day and will run the channels.

 

I think he is the man we needed, and excited for the season now

 

Carragher has played against him and said he doesn't run the channels and covers the width if posts.

[S-Clarke]

I don't think we ever really wanted him to be honest.

 

As has been alluded to elsewhere, we don't really play with natural wingers. We play a very condensed game through the middle and a lot of our attacks go through the middle.

 

Our width is supplied by the roaming front 3 and the full backs, so natural width isn't really going to be a part of our game. For a new player to come in, they'd need to be a player who could operate all across the front 3 - not just an out and out winger.

[Barry Sanchez]

Compared to Lambert ?

 

Al reports I have heard from him is that he leads the line and you will not find a harder working CF, he will chase the ball down all day and will run the channels.

 

I think he is the man we needed, and excited for the season now

 

You may have heard that but is it true? He is a striker who is physical and will run but he is not a Michael Owen or Hernandez.

[shurlock]

I don't think we ever really wanted him to be honest.

 

As has been alluded to elsewhere, we don't really play with natural wingers. We play a very condensed game through the middle and a lot of our attacks go through the middle.

 

Our width is supplied by the roaming front 3 and the full backs, so natural width isn't really going to be a part of our game. For a new player to come in, they'd need to be a player who could operate all across the front 3 - not just an out and out winger.

 

Didnt Sinclair basically play as a striker for Swansea?

[Monk]

If interested, we made an offer of £3m.

[S-Clarke]

Didnt Sinclair basically play as a striker for Swansea?

 

More coming from the left side, was a winger for them really. but did tally up a decent goal return. Danny graham was their main striker that year.

[Smirking_Saint]

Carragher has played against him and said he doesn't run the channels and covers the width if posts.

 

TBF to carra I expect he only played against him once, Ill go with those that watched him on a regular basis, and more importantly how he played originally for MoPo

 

Bazzer, not saying he is rapid mate, just that he moves faster than the comparative shuffle that we currently have

[Turkish]

I can't believe we've let one winger go and missed out on another one FFS and we still need a terrier in midfield and a small nippy striker to run onto Rickies and Ossies flicks when we get it into the mixer. We need a couple to pacy wingers in before the window shuts or no way will we be able to play an effective 4-4-2.

[The9]

I'm not convinced Osvaldo is a mobile striker.

 

Can I suggest you do a bit more research then ? Because he is.

[Turkish]

Can I suggest you do a bit more research then ? Because he is.

 

Ahh, that's a relief, he's the man to run onto Rickies flick ons then? From a good old fashioned up and under.

[The9]

In fact, there's a thread here which helps people who aren't just along for the trolling find out more about where Osvaldo has played previously : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46338-Osvaldo-for-Italy-Roma-and-Pochettino-s-Espanyol-Tactics#.UhZ5rNL_mSo

[The9]

Ahh, that's a relief, he's the man to run onto Rickies flick ons then? From a good old fashioned up and under.

 

Proper engine. Eyebrows at the front stick. Good feet for a big man.

[Turkish]

Proper engine. Eyebrows at the front stick. Good feet for a big man.

 

Be good to have two big lads up front for when we stick it in the mixer if we're chasing a game. If only we had a couple of pacy wingers to get down the line and get the crosses into the back stick.

[Smirking_Saint]

In fact, there's a thread here which helps people who aren't just along for the trolling find out more about where Osvaldo has played previously : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46338-Osvaldo-for-Italy-Roma-and-Pochettino-s-Espanyol-Tactics#.UhZ5rNL_mSo

 

Its the Espanyol one Im interested in

[Smirking_Saint]

Be good to have two big lads up front for when we stick it in the mixer if we're chasing a game. If only we had a couple of pacy wingers to get down the line and get the crosses into the back stick.

 

All about the POMO, just get into 'em then get it into the mixer for the big man to stick it in