Getting Carried Away

[washsaint]

Think some sanity needs to be restored.........threads with "who is better than us", "sinclair not good enough for City so not good enough for us", etc seems way overboard. We have played 1 game.

 

Now if after 10 games we have, say 20 points, then that would be the time to get very excited. Without wishing to be a pessimist, MP has a lot to prove: bar a couple of games he was not good for the last few games and we have only played 1 game this season.

 

So whilst we look like we have bought very well only time will tell: and 1 game is not enough to make judgement (particularly as our goal scoring/creation was not great against WBA).

 

Looking forward to seeing how the Sunderland game goes as they mugged us last season.

[farawaysaint]

Gloom and doom merchant

[Bucks Saint]

Dont worry too much, one defeat and it will be only an hour before things are very well balanced all by themselves, as we will have a load of threads on how likely it is we might avoid relegation, and which teams (if any) are worse than us

[Fitzhugh Fella]

there is an element of sense in what he says to be fair

[Minty]

There is absolutely plenty of sense in what he says. There is every reason to be optimistic, but some of the comparisons and claims are going a bit too far just yet. We may have potential, nothing wrong with thinking that, and I'd be the first to admit that I'm excited about what I believe we CAN achieve. But until we start to actually realise that potential then we cannot and should not, IMO, make bold claims beyond that which we can prove...

[Barry Sanchez]

The fantasists and bells on here who almost believe Messi and Ronaldo would have to work to get into the Southampton side, I know we are known throughout the footballing World as being a hotbed of passion and knowledge for the game but the beauts on here take it to another level, I think there is a documentry tonight on Sky Sports 2HD, Southampton - A City that owns the beautiful game..............................

[Batman]

we are not going to finish above arsenal. we may be close to them over the net few months. but we will finish quite a bit away from them at at the end

[tommi]

Finally some sense on here! Over confidence normally bites us; badly and unexpectedly. I think we have made some excellent additions, a natural progression (finishing higher than 13th) would be a logical achievement for me this season. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Barry Sanchez]

Finally some sense on here! Over confidence normally bites us; badly and unexpectedly. I think we have made some excellent additions, a natural progression (finishing higher than 13th) would be a logical achievement for me this season. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

Talking about Rome there is another documentry on Sky Sports3 HD next Wednesday called Southampton- How Southampton FC was built in a heartbeat, the Cortese story.

[chocco boxo]

it's everywhere on the radio on the tv, teams are facing a tough season after losing one match etc FFS what knob decided to print league tables back in the old days it was after 5 games.

Saintsweb is no different, just hope we don't do what we normally do and lose when everyone is expecting us to win!

[Barry Sanchez]

There are people on here (Wes) who have already booked the flights to Berlin for the 2015 Champions League Final, such is the delusion on here sometimes, they have already drawn up plans for a parking spec in our 68,000 new Olympic Stadium.........................

[Nolan]

Sinclair's not good enough for us as his Premiership Season for Swansea wasn't brilliant. he performed well in the Championship for them but hasn't repeated it.

[Badger]

Agree with the OP about the overflowing after the WBA game.

 

Putting a different slant on it, we won 1-0 with a last minute penalty, so despite playing well and being in control for much of the match we have still to score a goal from open play ! But 3points and everything is rosy.

[lifeintheslowlane]

Good grief let them have their little bit of fun. There's a buzz about the place even the most negative of supporter would find it hard to deny. The average Saint's supporter has been through a lot over the last 10 years...cut them a bit of slack...reality follows results so a sense of proportion will follow.

[Prince Jazzbo]

There are people on here (Wes) who have already booked the flights to Berlin for the 2015 Champions League Final, such is the delusion on here sometimes, they have already drawn up plans for a parking spec in our 68,000 new Olympic Stadium.........................

 

So are you saying should I sell my German Phrasebook on E-bay then?

[Barry Sanchez]

So are you saying should I sell my German Phrasebook on E-bay then?

 

Yes unless you really want to travel there.

[Georgie]

Not getting carried away but optimistic about the rest of the season. However we are only a couple of injuries/suspensions away from Hooiveld and Fox staring at the back. Obviously if we can keep everyone fit and are lucky with suspensions then I think we can finish top 10. But pushing for the top 6? Absolutely no way, not this season anyway.

[View From The Top]

Optimism is current higher than anytime since the 1980s but as with anything some get far too over excited.

[NickG]

Think some sanity needs to be restored.........threads with "who is better than us", "sinclair not good enough for City so not good enough for us", etc seems way overboard. We have played 1 game.

 

Without wishing to be a pessimist, MP has a lot to prove: bar a couple of games he was not good for the last few games and we have only played 1 game this season.

 

So whilst we look like we have bought very well only time will tell: and 1 game is not enough to make judgement (particularly as our goal scoring/creation was not great against WBA).

 

Looking forward to seeing how the Sunderland game goes as they mugged us last season.

 

Agree with all of that.

 

But totally disagree with " Now if after 10 games we have, say 20 points, then that would be the time to get very excited."

 

No, now is time to get excited. Why not? I preseason is exciting. Add to that quality signings, a young squad filled with players who may become top four level, and a win! Then it is time to be excited.

 

If we do great for the first 10 games then we can continue to be excited, if not then nothing lost.

 

I appreciate some struggle to enjoy "now" fearing it will end. When we had the great run in league 1 one poster on this thread stated he couldn't enjoy as knew it would end.

 

that is just humans having different characters, but your rationale isn't stopping me being excited!

[Micky]

So are we saying that we won't be winning the European Cup next year. Gutted...

 

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[Stepgar]

we are not going to finish above arsenal. we may be close to them over the net few months. but we will finish quite a bit away from them at at the end

 

How funny (and good) would it be though. the look on Arses face.

[saintbob40]

West Brom were shocking and I think VWs clumsiness in the tackle will get us in trouble at least 4 times this season. How about that?

[Bearsy]

I was reading a thread earlier where people was saying bout which team you would pick if you had both our squad and Arsenal's to choose from, and one poster called Barry Sanchez picked like half our team! Just one example of people saying we're as good as Arsenal!

[Rut]

Dunno about 'getting carried away' but I'm very optimistic for the season ahead. Definitely looking up - not down.

 

The powers-that-be at SFC have tended to know what they are doing in recent seasons. This season seems no different.

[Ohio Saint]

It's just like sex with the missus. You get all excited about it, that's what makes it enjoyable. Sure, you know it will soon be over and you will soon be getting your ears bent over nothing again.....You just have to enjoy it while it lasts. If not, then you are doomed to be a misery for ever. Lighten up.

[orchardsaint]

The fantasists and bells on here who almost believe Messi and Ronaldo would have to work to get into the Southampton side, I know we are known throughout the footballing World as being a hotbed of passion and knowledge for the game but the beauts on here take it to another level, I think there is a documentry tonight on Sky Sports 2HD, Southampton - A City that owns the beautiful game..............................

 

 

i think you'll find, mr sanchez, that the words to the song are.....

 

we are by far

the greatest team

that the world

has EVER seen

 

now tell us not to be optimistic!

[Ohio Saint]

Wouldn't it be great if the people (rightly) saying 'it's just one game', would all apply the same logic to a loss.

 

This. With bells on.

[eelpie]

We have relatively easy games in the next few weeks compared to the weeks before Christmas. Similarly towards the end of the season. We still need 40 points to avoid relegation in what promises to be a Premiership with teams packed with some excellent players. Our first aim must be to be on track for those points. When by January we are well over the halfway mark to achieving them we might have some reason to brag. But remember what nearly happened to Norwich.

 

Of course we have a better squad than last season. So have other teams. One thing, it is going to be a very exciting season.

[timayes]

So how happy are we allowed to be at the progress we all personally believe the club is making?

 

I understand of course that allowances need to be made so as not to upset those on here who just think that everyday they live brings them another day closer to dying!

 

I for one think we can achieve something pretty good, we are putting ourselves in a great position to break into the top ten, maybe even top eight, there are plenty of so-called bigger clubs fans who would like to have made the signings we have I am sure - sources;

 

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/13-14/comment/talkingpoints/25431.html, and I am sure if I look hard enough Sunderland, WHU and newcastle fan sites may be singing the same tune. Cant look now, I've gotta watch the gunners get beat, and have my tea.

[Saint_Tony]

It is interesting that many on here are getting very ahead of themselves with what we have achieved, yet a defeat on Saturday will result in the pessimists out in force and being labelled trolls. That's the problem with a lot of us as football fans, there's a knee jerk reaction to every game. FWIW I just have a feeling something special is happening, and it's understandable given the transfer window and start to the season, even though we're only 90 minutes into it. It's a case of turning defeats and draws against the Norwichs, Stokes and West Hams of the league into wins.

[Crazy Diamond]

One win does not make a season. A record signing does not make a team.

 

Anyone with any sense would agree with that, surely?

[Batman]

One win does not make a season. A record signing does not make a team.

 

Anyone with any sense would agree with that, surely?

 

just wait till we concede a sloppy goal.

it will be back to what a failure we are as a club

[Crazy Diamond]

just wait till we concede a sloppy goal.

it will be back to what a failure we are as a club

 

It would certainly be disappointing - it's disappointing to concede goals full stop, as Dave Merrington will tell you, repeatedly - but I wouldn't go that far.

[Batman]

It would certainly be disappointing - it's disappointing to concede goals full stop, as Dave Merrington will tell you, repeatedly - but I wouldn't go that far.

 

you just know that when we do. there will be plenty of people on here moaning that we never bought enough defenders

[Smirking_Saint]

there is an element of sense in what he says to be fair

 

there is an element of sense in what he says to be fair

 

There is, although it is obvious that we have a clear strategy and a real desire to progress but some of the talk of overtaking Arsenal is madness.

 

Even overtaking Everton, had Moyes still been there Id have said was silly. The reason I have said we could finish above them is as much down to how I percieve Martinez' impact as our own signings.

 

The future is certainly bright, and we have a chance, a real chance of the Europa league now we have a striker to fit MoPo's system, but as I said before, top four is way off, look at the 6 teams who have achieved it in the ladt 20 years.

[tajjuk]

Have to LOL that poor old wum Barry has latched onto this thread like a Limpet, must be killing him that his nonsense is getting ignored, he obviously saw this thread as his time to shine.

 

 

I don't think anyone is getting carried away, quietly optimistic I would say is the general feeling from the sensible fans. We're not going to finish higher than Arsenal but the club as a whole and our team are probably in a happier place right now than they are down at the Emirates. Off field nonsense can make players under perform, I would imagine Arsenal fans are just as worried about this.

 

 

Lets be honest last week if it wasn't for a great save from Boruc we might have drawn and did we really do enough to win the game? I'm not sure, but it was a pleasing contrast last year to see us grind out a result where we played ok, I'm pretty sure last year in similar circumstances we would have drawn. It's one game though, fail to beat Sunderland and the doom merchants will be out in force again.

 

Difficult really to be negative about the club right now though isn't it?

 

- we have had an excellent summer transfer window, with 3 quality additions (way before the end of the window as well)

 

- signed up all the young players on long term contracts,

 

- had a good pre-season,

 

- introduced some more youngsters into the first team (just like they said they would)

 

- Lambert got and England Call and scored on debut.

 

- And we beat a team away from home (that thoroughly outplayed us twice last season), on the opening day of the season.

 

Can we ask for more right now? I don't think so.

[norwaysaint]

I don't really mind all of the unrealistic stuff. It's fewer posters than some seem to think. Most question threads have far more realistic replies than fantasy ones, but there are a few posters who get overly obsessed with the unrealistic posts and decide for some reason they represent "everyone on here", then they spend ages squabbling with two or three posters. As a proportion, the realistic posters probably outnumber the overly-optimistic ones, but are unable to see that and just get hung up on the unrealistic ones.

 

I like that some people let a feeling of optimism and enthusiasm overtake them. It's all part of being a fan and supporting a team. If we didn't hope for the improbable, why would we look forward to matches against the bigger teams? I enjoy coming on here and seeing people full of hope and unrealistic belief, I don't need loads of threads saying the obvious points that we should always expect to lose to most other PL teams or that the players we love are not actually better than the ones at United, Arsenal, Everton or even Swansea.

 

Just let it go, we all know deep down that we support saints and that saints aren't one of the big clubs, but it's nice when people get so into it that they lose a bit of perspective. The world would be pretty dull without people like that and just with dour people stating what realistic expectations are. I should know, I'm one of those dull realists, but I like to see the optimistic stuff too. I'd say that if you let it bother you at all, the problem is yours.

[saint-ross]

Personally I don't mind a bit of over-optimism. We put up with so much negativity on here from the bedwetters, WUMs and doom merchants, whats wrong with some positivity for a change. FWIW I don't think we'll finish above arsenal, but I sure as hell don't have a problem if someone else believes we might.

[Lazlo78]

Carried away? Yes, where shall we put him

 

[Cabrone]

Fans are allowed to get excited and a good job too, it's what gets them through the turnstiles.

 

Football is one of the few areas in life where you can let go with your emotions, postpone reality, talk shyte and dream a little.

 

We've had enough crap to put up with over the last 8 years, we've paid more than our dues into the misery account and now it's time to enjoy ourselves.

 

If you can't smile when the sun is shining when can you?

[JPTCount]

Thought police on patrol

[trousers]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2399713/Southampton-reach-Champions-League--says-Dejan-Lovren.html

 

Dejan Lovren insists his new club Southampton can reach the Champions League within the next two years.

The Croatia defender signed for £8.5million from Lyon, and was followed by midfielder Victor Wanyama and Daniel Osvaldo in a summer that has seen Southampton spend more than £35m.

Lovren experienced Champions League football while at Lyon, and is convinced Southampton can reach Europe’s top table. But first, he wants a top-eight finish this season.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Have to LOL that poor old wum Barry has latched onto this thread like a Limpet, must be killing him that his nonsense is getting ignored, he obviously saw this thread as his time to shine.

 

 

I don't think anyone is getting carried away, quietly optimistic I would say is the general feeling from the sensible fans. We're not going to finish higher than Arsenal but the club as a whole and our team are probably in a happier place right now than they are down at the Emirates. Off field nonsense can make players under perform, I would imagine Arsenal fans are just as worried about this.

 

 

Lets be honest last week if it wasn't for a great save from Boruc we might have drawn and did we really do enough to win the game? I'm not sure, but it was a pleasing contrast last year to see us grind out a result where we played ok, I'm pretty sure last year in similar circumstances we would have drawn. It's one game though, fail to beat Sunderland and the doom merchants will be out in force again.

 

Difficult really to be negative about the club right now though isn't it?

 

- we have had an excellent summer transfer window, with 3 quality additions (way before the end of the window as well)

 

- signed up all the young players on long term contracts,

 

- had a good pre-season,

 

- introduced some more youngsters into the first team (just like they said they would)

 

- Lambert got and England Call and scored on debut.

 

- And we beat a team away from home (that thoroughly outplayed us twice last season), on the opening day of the season.

 

Can we ask for more right now? I don't think so.

 

Spot on, all of this. I don't get people like Barry. Anyone that looks to express anything remotely positive or optimistic - he has to be there to p!ss all over it and call them deluded.

 

No, we aren't better than Arsenal, no we won't finish above them.

 

Can we close the gap on them from last year? I don't see why not. We have strengthened significantly in some key areas, whilst they have not. So why can we not be positive/optimistic about our improvement, and chances of closing the gap on some of the bigger teams. I personally do not think it is deluded to think we stand a good chance of being a fair bit closer to the bigger sides than we were last season.

 

As for those that are going on about getting carried away at one tight win, what would have been the reaction (most probably from those same posters - or those that have been pretty darn quiet over the past few days post-WBA/Osvaldo) should WBA snatched a winner in a tight game, which we probably just edged? There would have been an outpouring of the usual bile - criticism of the club, and the way it is run, transfers, personnel etc etc etc.

 

One poster may a bit of a wild claim, and once again the same usual suspects have taken this to be representative of the entire board in their crusade to ensure everyone shares in the same miserable, myopic, bizarrely skewed world view they have.

 

My thanks to that poster that started that thread, we will not here the end of snide "we are better than arsenal" comments, supposedly representing the entire forum, from Barry, Turkish and Glasgow all f***in season now. Good work.

[Jimmy_D]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2399713/Southampton-reach-Champions-League--says-Dejan-Lovren.html

 

Thinks we can get a Top 8 finish this season, which isn't unreasonable. Seems to be about where the bookies are pitching us currently anyway.

 

The fact that he's talking about improving from that to Champions League within two seasons suggests that there's already a plan in place to continue the major investment during the transfer windows for the next couple of seasons as well.

 

If you can't get carried away with what's happening to Saints now, when are you going to be able to?

 

This, now, could be the best ever time to be supporting this club

[Barry Sanchez]

I was reading a thread earlier where people was saying bout which team you would pick if you had both our squad and Arsenal's to choose from, and one poster called Barry Sanchez picked like half our team! Just one example of people saying we're as good as Arsenal!

 

 

Flaresy, come on now, Arsenal have

 

 

Damian Martinez (G) Argentina

1 Wojciech Szczesny (G) Poland

21 Lukasz Fabianski (G) Poland

NA Hector Bellerin (D) Spain

NA Daniel Boateng (D) England

NA Ignasi Miquel (D) Spain

NA Nicholas Yennaris (D) England

3 Bacary Sagna (D) France

4 Per Mertesacker (D) Germany

5 Thomas Vermaelen (D) Belgium

6 Laurent Koscielny (D) France

17 Nacho Monreal (D) Spain

25 Carl Jenkinson (D) England

28 Kieran Gibbs (D) England

NA Thomas Eisfeld (M) Germany

NA Samuel Galindo (M) Bolivia

NA Serge Gnabry (M) Germany

7 Tomas Rosicky (M) Czech Republic

8 Mikel Arteta (M) Spain

10 Jack Wilshere (M) England

14 Theo Walcott (M) England

15 Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (M) England

16 Aaron Ramsey (M) Wales

19 Santi Cazorla (M) Spain

24 Abou Diaby (M) France

26 Emmanuel Frimpong (M) England

31 Ryo Miyaichi (M) Japan

NA Benik Afobe (F) England

NA Chuba Akpom (F) England

NA Zak Ansah (F) England

9 Lukas Podolski (F) Germany

12 Olivier Giroud (F) France

22 Yaya Sanogo (F) France

30 Park Chu-Young (F) South Korea

52 Nicklas Bendtner (F)

 

 

As their squad, our current 1st XI sure is pretty close to theirs but they have 10 first XI injuries Beersy, come on now.

[St Marco]

If you can't get carried away with what's happening to Saints now, when are you going to be able to?

 

 

Exactly.

 

I don't think people are getting carried away. A better way to look at it is; we are not as good as teams like Arsenal. But are we closer to them then we were this time last year? Without a doubt. And for me that is all that matters, that we keep progressing forward, we keep closing the gap between us and the teams above us. Never in my life did I think we would be signing players like Osvaldo and the fact we are investing our money in the playing side rather then the owners pockets' (i.e Portsmouth) means there is a lot to be optimistic about. Like Jimmy said if people are not happy to SUPPORT the club right now and be happy with where we are they never will be. Which means you should re-evaluate why you are not only on here but why you follow the club at all?

This thread is nothing more then an attack on Saints fans by the usual suspects again.

[Barry Sanchez]

Exactly.

 

I don't think people are getting carried away. A better way to look at it is; we are not as good as teams like Arsenal. But are we closer to them then we were this time last year? Without a doubt. And for me that is all that matters, that we keep progressing forward, we keep closing the gap between us and the teams above us. Never in my life did I think we would be signing players like Osvaldo and the fact we are investing our money in the playing side rather then the owners pockets' (i.e Portsmouth) means there is a lot to be optimistic about. Like Jimmy said if people are not happy to SUPPORT the club right now and be happy with where we are they never will be. Which means you should re-evaluate why you are not only on here but why you follow the club at all?

This thread is nothing more then an attack on Saints fans by the usual suspects again.

 

 

That could be countered by the realists as the usual suspects are gloating after one game with comparisons against Arsenal, who by the way won 0-3 away in Europe last night, realism.

[Saint86]

Barry, Looks like you better start attacking lovren... Oh and the entire squad as well

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8882484/dejan-lovren-thinks-southampton-will-soon-be-top-four-challengers

[Barry Sanchez]

No just questioning whether he has been on the junk or not, lots of teams with better squads can also say that, we will need to spend millions to get a squad to challenge for a top four, realism.

[St Marco]

That could be countered by the realists as the usual suspects are gloating after one game with comparisons against Arsenal, who by the way won 0-3 away in Europe last night, realism.

 

Gloating? Why does it have to be this positive vs negative? Why not stop trying to score points on a forum and just support and be happy with where the club is at?