Apparent chemical weapon attacks in Syria

[Picard]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDw4rDG5vg

 

This is David Icke's take on Syria....it's very interesting indeed.

 

Here is the speech by Wesley Clark where he explains how the USA planned to take out 7 countries in Middle East/Africa (Syria included)

 

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[bridge too far]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/02/chemical-export-syria-uk

[alpine_saint]

Here is the speech by Wesley Clark where he explains how the USA planned to take out 7 countries in Middle East/Africa (Syria included)

 

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I lose faith in the seriousness of any such discussion when this mans head is raised to comment.

 

This is the bellend who ordered the British force at Pristina Airport attack the Russians unilaterally during the Kossovo peacekeeping mission.

[pap]

I lose faith in the seriousness of any such discussion when this mans head is raised to comment.

 

This is the bellend who ordered the British force at Pristina Airport attack the Russians unilaterally during the Kossovo peacekeeping mission.

 

Even so, the plan he describes seems like it's very much in action.

 

My thoughts on this, and other factors at play right now. It's all about Iran, basically.

 

http://frigsociety.com/2013/09/03/endgame-why-syrias-got-to-go/

[pap]

Lordy, Obama has some front.

 

Seeking regime change and funding the rebels, thereby helping to create and prolong the conflict, yet apparently it is the "world's credibility on the line".

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23962413

[pap]

Arf. Most pressing crisis of the day and I'm chatting on my own.

 

Pursuant to the Apparent chemical weapon attacks in Syria maintenance contract, here's another angle of the story. US military forces, specifically the Armed Forces Tea Party group, using social media to make political statements.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/armed-forces-tea-party-syria_n_3865480.html?ir=Politics

[Window Cleaner]

seen the video on the NYT site have you pap? There are only bad guys and bad guys in this civil war, all the rest have gone.

[dubai_phil]

seen the video on the NYT site have you pap? There are only bad guys and bad guys in this civil war, all the rest have gone.

 

Which is why no matter what may suit Domestic Politics, the ONLY way forward is for "the World" to work together.

 

Sure the Chemical Weapons attack was bad & needs a response, but it has to be done with the Russians & Chinese in tow as once Bashar has gone you have about 10 million people in and around Damascus who will face "uncertainty"

 

Which is another way of saying the Death Toll from no Bashar could be much much worse than it has been so far once the Ethnic Cleansing starts

[Window Cleaner]

Which is why no matter what may suit Domestic Politics, the ONLY way forward is for "the World" to work together.

 

Sure the Chemical Weapons attack was bad & needs a response, but it has to be done with the Russians & Chinese in tow as once Bashar has gone you have about 10 million people in and around Damascus who will face "uncertainty"

 

Which is another way of saying the Death Toll from no Bashar could be much much worse than it has been so far once the Ethnic Cleansing starts

 

 

The GIGN arrested 4 jihadistes in Paris this morning, armed robbery at a fast food to pay for their passage to go and jihad in Syria. It's all riff raff anyway.I'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson from Egypt, let the f*ckers alone to their dogma and their anachronic ways of life.

[aintforever]

You have to wonder how many thousands of people Assad has to gas before Russia and China give a sh!t.

 

I can't see any nice ending to this. Even if a UN force goes in you will just end up with the usual muslim extremists fighting the 'occupiers'.

[pap]

seen the video on the NYT site have you pap? There are only bad guys and bad guys in this civil war, all the rest have gone.

 

There's a lot of chatter about the composition of the rebel forces. John Kerry is quoting numbers of 90% good eggs, 10% extremists. Others reckon the numbers should be flipped. Long before this escalation, I was reading a blog called Syrian Commando. Hasn't been updated since January 2013, but it's an interesting read, especially these two articles from June and November last year.

 

http://syriancommando.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/brief-trail-of-black-propaganda-of-a-failed-zionist-revolution-part-1/

http://syriancommando.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/black-propaganda-of-a-failed-zionist-revolution-part-2/

 

The second part is of particular relevance. It addresses events in the Houmas massacre. Assad's forces blamed, but reports of rebels being responsible.

[manji]

An excellent article which to me shows how Zionist driven US policy is. They are prepared to sacrifice Christians as long as all the major players in the Middle East

are destroyed.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/syrias-christians-risk-eradication/

[aintforever]

An excellent article which to me shows how Zionist driven US policy is. They are prepared to sacrifice Christians as long as all the major players in the Middle East

are destroyed.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/syrias-christians-risk-eradication/

 

That video posted in the comments looks rather nasty ( I had to stop watching it). A Christian priest being executed by the "free syrian rebels" who according to one of the posters had Russian accents and were Wahhabis from the Caucasus.

 

There is a huge risk that intervention could make things much worse, that fact alone hints at the US having a hidden agenda here.

Edited 8 September, 2013 by aintforever

[Picard]

That video posted in the comments looks rather nasty ( I had to stop watching it). A Christian priest being executed by the "free syrian rebels" who according to one of the posters had Russian accents and were Wahhabis from the Caucasus.

 

There is a huge risk that intervention could make things much worse, that fact alone hints at the US having a hidden agenda here.

 

As mentioned before:

 

Here is the speech by Wesley Clark where he explains how the USA planned to take out 7 countries in Middle East/Africa (Syria included)

 

[video=youtube_share;TY2DKzastu8]

[Batman]

[hypochondriac]

 

I love the oatmeal.

[pap]

This is an interesting read.

 

12 US Intelligence Officials Tell Obama it wasn't Assad.

 

Though I haven't been posting here, I have at least been trying to keep up on the propaganda. Watched Putin's RT.COM for a couple of hours today, which was interesting, if only to listen to the American correspondents arguing for a strike. As far as I can make out, the case for Assad's complicity is this. Chemical weapons were used. Assad has chemical weapons and the rebels don't. The West is asserting it comes down to capabiliy. Here's one of those shows I watched on RT.

 

http://rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/human-rights-syria-us-575/

 

Now, RT has much to learn. Oksana, the pro-Russian anchor, gets her arse handed to her by Kenneth Roth, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch. What I did find interesting was how strongly he tied himself to the mast of the policy to bomb, and especially Assad's guilt. He uses one section of the interview to repeatedly assert it, all on the claim of capability.

 

AboveTopSecret reckon that they've seen what the US politicians have seen for their deliberations, something likely to make the rolling news when the decision is made. Doesn't sound like there is anything in the way of conclusive proof; just more harrowing footage of the same event, presumably designed to elicit an emotional response.

 

I am honestly not sure which way the Tuesday vote is going to go, or why it is even needed. I can see Obama wanting to legitimise his actions through the prism of the people's representatives, but they, like our politicians, will realise that the public appetite is not there. Of those who have declared their voting intentions, the vast majority have said that they will not support Obama in his call for military strikes. Granted, there are a lot of undecided that can yet prove decisive, but this vote represents a massive risk. Obama can still order the strikes regardless. He already had the power to do what he's asking Congress to ratify.

 

If they vote against him, it's going to be difficult for him to exercise those powers in defiance of the people's representatives, whether he has a right to or not.

[dubai_phil]

Again, more evidence why a strike on Bashar is wrong.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415586/Syrian-rebels-attack-historic-Christian-village-residents-speak-language-Jesus.html

 

Breaks my heart that they have ransacked Maaloula.

 

Taking out his Command & Control while "making the West feel better" will simply reduce his ability to fight back against these nutter groups. That will simply cause more deaths especially amongst Christians.

 

GET THE END GAME in place BEFORE the bombs drop. It is not rocket science.

 

Oh and The moment Obama wins the vote, guess where every single Artillery piece, Aircraft and rocket will be pointing?

 

Once you make it clear Bashar has no way out, all he has left is leaving a legacy.........

[alpine_saint]

Yesterday I watched a video of a little kid dying from Sarin-induced convulsions, and saw a picture of a room stacked with bodies of dead kids.

 

Its OK, they are only sand-n*ggers in a far away place that has nothing to do with us, arent they ?

 

The UK should be utterly ashamed of its public opinion on this.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Am I the only one seriously worried about the possible, wider-reaching effect of all this?

 

Am I being naive in the extreme/a bit wet, thinking this could scale up in to a full on war involving several big hitters?

[alpine_saint]

Am I the only one seriously worried about the possible, wider-reaching effect of all this?

 

Am I being naive in the extreme/a bit wet, thinking this could scale up in to a full on war involving several big hitters?

 

No, you are not.

 

But should we have left Europe to the Nazis because Hitler said he had no designs on us ?

 

I find it tragic that such cynicism has replaced a judgement of what is fundamentally right or wrong.

[Sour Mash]

Yesterday I watched a video of a little kid dying from Sarin-induced convulsions, and saw a picture of a room stacked with bodies of dead kids.

 

Its OK, they are only sand-n*ggers in a far away place that has nothing to do with us, arent they ?

 

The UK should be utterly ashamed of its public opinion on this.

Should we get involved in every foreign conflict where innocent people are killed? What should our involvement in Syria be?

[pap]

Am I the only one seriously worried about the possible, wider-reaching effect of all this?

 

Am I being naive in the extreme/a bit wet, thinking this could scale up in to a full on war involving several big hitters?

 

No you're not.

 

The Syrian conflict is different from everything else so far because the West is finally messing with a country that the East, as represented by Russia and China, has major designs on. The opportunities for a proxy war are already there. I have no idea what the Russian/Chinese response would be to intervention, but I don't think they'll stand idly by. At the very least, expect major/more funding to make this objective as difficult to achieve as possible.

 

The other consideration is Iran, Syria's biggest ally in the region. They may decide to throw their lot into a regional war, particularly if they have assurances from the Russians regarding support.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

No, you are not.

 

But should we have left Europe to the Nazis because Hitler said he had no designs on us ?

 

I find it tragic that such cynicism has replaced a judgement of what is fundamentally right or wrong.

 

Sorry, I wasn't insinuating that at all.

 

I have previously posted things along a similar line on this thread. It breaks my heart seeing what is happening to all the kids out there, I simply can't watch the news at the minute - as I find myself just too upset by it (ok I am a bit wet).

 

I think it is an extremely difficult scenario to get involved in (one which probably would have been much easier if action was taken earlier on before the rebels were hijacked by terrorist groups - which many undoubtedly have been), but I can't bare the thought of simply sitting idly by and saying well, it's over there in the middle-east, it ent my problem.

 

It's a silly viewpoint on political and humanitarian grounds. The idea that such a conflict has no bearing on us simply because it isn't in our country or on our doorstep is at best naive, or that why should we be bothered - simply because we were lucky enough to be born in a wonderful country (I know it's easy to knock the UK for it's flaws, which it undoubtedly has - but I really wouldn't trade it for many places, and I'm sure millions, if not billions would love to live here) where we don't have to suffer such barbaric acts and events I find simply heartless.

 

Black, white, muslim, christian, gay, straight, male, female and all other permutations - we are all humans.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

No you're not.

 

The Syrian conflict is different from everything else so far because the West is finally messing with a country that the East, as represented by Russia and China, has major designs on. The opportunities for a proxy war are already there. I have no idea what the Russian/Chinese response would be to intervention, but I don't think they'll stand idly by. At the very least, expect major/more funding to make this objective as difficult to achieve as possible.

 

The other consideration is Iran, Syria's biggest ally in the region. They may decide to throw their lot into a regional war, particularly if they have assurances from the Russians regarding support.

 

These are the things that I seriously worry about.

[dubai_phil]

No, you are not.

 

But should we have left Europe to the Nazis because Hitler said he had no designs on us ?

 

I find it tragic that such cynicism has replaced a judgement of what is fundamentally right or wrong.

 

So you want to allow a strike on Syria that will permit extremeist to decapitate Christians in front of their Children?

You support the forced Religious conversion of Christians both Catholic & Coptic to Islam?

 

You believe that the deaths of 100,000 people should be ignored and not taken into account simply because somebody managed to fil the death of a few Children when thousands of others have been butchered, often Slowly AFTER being forced to watch their parents be raped & murdered?

 

This disaster could have been averted years ago but NOW because of a bit of You Tube the WRONG solution will be implemented because you're annoyed?

 

I'll enjoy reading your defence after Israel is blitzed from land and air by every missile & gas bomb that Bashar & Hezbollah have in their Arsenal.

 

How many thousands of Children will die horribly then?

 

What IF Russia parks a Cruiser between the Americans & The Coast line. Will you sit in your Cellar telling your Kids it was all for the good because of You Tube while the Bombs & Missiles fall? And the Chinese wait to get their hands on the Oil Reserves & Bread Basket of Africa while Europe & The US walk round salvaging cans of Spam out of destroyed Supermarkets.

 

WHERE do YOU propose to make a stand against THE NUTTERS? Turkey next? Back to the Balkans again? Maybe you'll notice when Bradford or Bedford fall under Taliban or Al Qaeda control?

 

It is WAY too complicated for Emotions to be allowed ANY part.

[alpine_saint]

So you want to allow a strike on Syria that will permit extremeist to decapitate Christians in front of their Children?

You support the forced Religious conversion of Christians both Catholic & Coptic to Islam?

 

You believe that the deaths of 100,000 people should be ignored and not taken into account simply because somebody managed to fil the death of a few Children when thousands of others have been butchered, often Slowly AFTER being forced to watch their parents be raped & murdered?

 

This disaster could have been averted years ago but NOW because of a bit of You Tube the WRONG solution will be implemented because you're annoyed?

 

I'll enjoy reading your defence after Israel is blitzed from land and air by every missile & gas bomb that Bashar & Hezbollah have in their Arsenal.

 

How many thousands of Children will die horribly then?

 

What IF Russia parks a Cruiser between the Americans & The Coast line. Will you sit in your Cellar telling your Kids it was all for the good because of You Tube while the Bombs & Missiles fall? And the Chinese wait to get their hands on the Oil Reserves & Bread Basket of Africa while Europe & The US walk round salvaging cans of Spam out of destroyed Supermarkets.

 

WHERE do YOU propose to make a stand against THE NUTTERS? Turkey next? Back to the Balkans again? Maybe you'll notice when Bradford or Bedford fall under Taliban or Al Qaeda control?

 

It is WAY too complicated for Emotions to be allowed ANY part.

 

Yep, much better to do nothing and rationalise it as you've done.

[buctootim]

Yep, much better to do nothing and rationalise it as you've done.

 

Doing nothing is a better option than doing the wrong thing.

[alpine_saint]

Doing nothing is a better option than doing the wrong thing.

 

Was expecting this answer..

 

Of course it is. But seeing as the international community is refusing to work together, and its main insitution the UN stands absolutley impotent like the hippy teacher with chunky sweater stood in the corner of the playground telling the kids in sotto voce to play nicely as the skool neanderthals bully some little specky kid to within an inch of wanting to top himself, "doing nothing" has become a comfy escape mantra..

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Doing nothing is a better option than doing the wrong thing.

 

It is entirely possible for doing nothing and doing the wrong thing to be one and the same.

[buctootim]

Was expecting this answer..

 

Of course it is. But seeing as the international community is refusing to work together, and its main insitution the UN stands absolutley impotent like the hippy teacher with chunky sweater stood in the corner of the playground telling the kids in sotto voce to play nicely as the skool neanderthals bully some little specky kid to within an inch of wanting to top himself, "doing nothing" has become a comfy escape mantra..

 

Theres no consensus on action because, as someone said earlier, its a war between two bad guys. The G20 nations was split right down the middle for good reason. The Assad regime is a dictatorship which respects the Christian and factional muslim minorities and which is repressing a rainbow alliance of democrats, reformers, shia militants, al Queda and mercenaries. Someone used chemical weapons but no-one knows who or who authorised it. I want a bit more certainty than that before we all get suckered into another quagmire on the back of spurious 'facts' which vaporise into 'actually that turned out to not be true' once the cruise missiles start flying.

[dubai_phil]

Yep, much better to do nothing and rationalise it as you've done.

 

No, I have advocated from the start that there is only one way out of this mess, it involves the Russians and The Americans working together and it needs a transition plan.

 

What it does NOT need is a complete vacuum

[buctootim]

It is entirely possible for doing nothing and doing the wrong thing to be one and the same.

 

What would you 'do' then KRG? Loose off some cruise missiles to kill some people? commit enough firepower to ensure regime change and then sit back and see which of the 7 or 8 factions emerges strongest from the subsequent second civil war and insurgency?

[alpine_saint]

Theres no consensus on action because, as someone said earlier, its a war between two bad guys. The G20 nations was split right down the middle for good reason. The Assad regime is a dictatorship which respects the Christian and factional muslim minorities and which is repressing a rainbow alliance of democrats, reformers, shia militants, al Queda and mercenaries. Someone used chemical weapons but no-one knows who or who authorised it. I want a bit more certainty than that before we all get suckered into another quagmire on the back of spurious 'facts' which vaporise into 'actually that turned out to not be true' once the cruise missiles start flying.

 

A poll this weekend suggested that the UK population dont want to do anything even if Assad is proven 100% certain to have used Sarin.

 

A low point in this proud nations history akin to handing the Cossaks over to Stalin...

[KelvinsRightGlove]

What would you 'do' then KRG? Loose off some cruise missiles to kill some people? commit enough firepower to ensure regime change and then sit back and see which of the 7 or 8 factions emerges strongest from the subsequent second civil war and insurgency?

 

I honestly can't answer that.

 

As I have said many times on here, it is an extremely difficult solution - muddied by the fact that neither side is exactly angelic in their actions. I'm also not privy to all the information which the decision makers are.

 

I'm not mad keen for Britain to get involved in another conflict, but as I have also said several times, I am extremely uncomfortable at us simply standing by and saying it is none of our concern.

 

Their are people a lot smarter, and a lot more qualified than I to work out a game-plan.

[buctootim]

A poll this weekend suggested that the UK population dont want to do anything even if Assad is proven 100% certain to have used Sarin.

 

A low point in this proud nations history akin to handing the Cossaks over to Stalin...

 

People rightly don't want a rerun of Iraq, Afghanistan or even Libya. The US encouraged Saddam Hussein's Iraq to invade Iran in the wake of the US hostage crisis and supplied weapons, technology and raw materials which they knew would be used for chemical weapons against Iranian troops. Playing puppet master with Iraq has cost around 1.5million lives since 1980 and cost around $2 trillion. I dont see any evidence that western intervention has improved the sinkhole that is much of the middle east.

[alpine_saint]

People rightly don't want a rerun of Iraq, Afghanistan or even Libya. The US encouraged Saddam Hussein's Iraq to invade Iran in the wake of the US hostage crisis and supplied weapons, technology and raw materials which they knew would be used for chemical weapons against Iranian troops. Playing puppet master with Iraq has cost around 1.5million lives since 1980 and cost around $2 trillion. I dont see any evidence that western intervention has improved the sinkhole that is much of the middle east.

 

I personally wish we could find alternative energy resources than Middle East oil.

 

Then we could build a 30m high fence round the entire sodding place, and then REALLY let them sort it out themselves. They'd also pretty soon get the message if the rest of the world had decided to have nothing more to do with them on any level.

 

I know this represents a bit of a contradiction to my anti-"do nothing" rant, but at the end of the day it would potentially provide a permanent solution rather than revisiting this sh*t 5 years later.

[Sour Mash]

A poll this weekend suggested that the UK population dont want to do anything even if Assad is proven 100% certain to have used Sarin.

 

A low point in this proud nations history akin to handing the Cossaks over to Stalin...

Why is the use of Sarin so different to any other indiscriminate killing/maiming of innocent of civilians? Is slowly dying over a couple of days buried until a pile of rubble so much better? What do you want Britain to do?

[Window Cleaner]

Why is the use of Sarin so different to any other indiscriminate killing/maiming of innocent of civilians? Is slowly dying over a couple of days buried until a pile of rubble so much better? What do you want Britain to do?

 

In fact the "regime" will probably pile all of their stategic sights high with opposition prisoners and civils and then go on and on and on about how many civilians the US have killed with their Cruise strikes.

[alpine_saint]

Why is the use of Sarin so different to any other indiscriminate killing/maiming of innocent of civilians? Is slowly dying over a couple of days buried until a pile of rubble so much better? What do you want Britain to do?

 

I suggest you actually watch a video of someone dying of Sarin to answer that one.

 

Anyway, its the international community, not me that decided that one.

[aintforever]

A poll this weekend suggested that the UK population dont want to do anything even if Assad is proven 100% certain to have used Sarin.

 

A low point in this proud nations history akin to handing the Cossaks over to Stalin...

 

The only way to avoid a completely disastrous outcome would be for the US and Russia to come to some sort of an agreement and for Russia to put pressure on Assad. There is precious little we could do.

 

The problem is that both the US and Russia have an agenda, neither really care about the people of Syria.

[Sour Mash]

I suggest you actually watch a video of someone dying of Sarin to answer that one.

 

Anyway, its the international community, not me that decided that one.

So you can't answer that and you can't answer my other question. Fair enough.

[alpine_saint]

So you can't answer that and you can't answer my other question. Fair enough.

 

I cannot answer the question about what Britiain should do, other than the obvious that it should support diplomacy to bring the two sides of international opinion together, and support whatever proposal to move forward is agreed.

 

As for your other question, I believe I have answered adequately. Sarin gas poisoning is a horrific way to die.

[bridge too far]

I cannot answer the question about what Britiain should do, other than the obvious that it should support diplomacy to bring the two sides of international opinion together, and support whatever proposal to move forward is agreed.

 

As for your other question, I believe I have answered adequately. Sarin gas poisoning is a horrific way to die.

 

Didn't manufacturers in this country sell the wherewithall to make sarin to the regime?

[pap]

I personally wish we could find alternative energy resources than Middle East oil.

 

Then we could build a 30m high fence round the entire sodding place, and then REALLY let them sort it out themselves. They'd also pretty soon get the message if the rest of the world had decided to have nothing more to do with them on any level.

 

I know this represents a bit of a contradiction to my anti-"do nothing" rant, but at the end of the day it would potentially provide a permanent solution rather than revisiting this sh*t 5 years later.

 

We can develop other energy sources, but we're not. Tom Clancy used to write that war was armed robbery writ large. Anyone can see the direction of travel of Western forces.

 

No disrespect Alps, but it sounds as if you're making your points based on the assumption that prior to 2001, we'd just let the Arab world potter along and do its own thing, something that hasn't happened. The US encouraged Saddam into action against Iran in the 1980s ( which included CW use, I might add ). The West might not have been physically there in terms of boots on the ground, but it has been instrumental in the affairs of the region since year dot, or as near as to make no appreciable difference.

[dubai_phil]

We can develop other energy sources, but we're not. Tom Clancy used to write that war was armed robbery writ large. Anyone can see the direction of travel of Western forces.

 

No disrespect Alps, but it sounds as if you're making your points based on the assumption that prior to 2001, we'd just let the Arab world potter along and do its own thing, something that hasn't happened. The US encouraged Saddam into action against Iran in the 1980s ( which included CW use, I might add ). The West might not have been physically there in terms of boots on the ground, but it has been instrumental in the affairs of the region since year dot, or as near as to make no appreciable difference.

 

The entire bloody region is the result of a series of random lines drawn on maps by The West way back when....

 

Oh the fuss there was when Nasser decided to look to the Russkies for his arms supplies back in the 60's.

 

Syria was once part of Greater Egypt btw

[Sour Mash]

I cannot answer the question about what Britiain should do, other than the obvious that it should support diplomacy to bring the two sides of international opinion together, and support whatever proposal to move forward is agreed.

 

As for your other question, I believe I have answered adequately. Sarin gas poisoning is a horrific way to die.

So you know that Britain isn't supporting diplomacy? You were angry a few posts ago that the majority of the British population didn't want us to take action and now you're saying you think we shouldn't take action?

 

Has one single post on here suggested that Sarin isn't a horrific way to die?

[alpine_saint]

Didn't manufacturers in this country sell the wherewithall to make sarin to the regime?

 

Oh, yawn.

 

So many of those chemical precursors are dual use, and are common in the manufacture of insecticides and pesticides.

 

People have a right to eat and not die from malaria, you know. Tell me where in the supply contracts it stated that Syria must use them for nerve gas production.

[alpine_saint]

The entire bloody region is the result of a series of random lines drawn on maps by The West way back when....

 

Oh the fuss there was when Nasser decided to look to the Russkies for his arms supplies back in the 60's.

 

Syria was once part of Greater Egypt btw

 

B*ll*cks. Its been going on since the time of the Pharoahs. And interestingly, there was a headline in one of the weekend papers about Persians used primitive chemical weapons on Romans in that region nearly 2000 years ago. Didnt read the article so dont know the details.

[bridge too far]

Just in case we forget what the US chemical weapons did in Vietnam

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23632245