Saint Lindford Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Why would Shaw go to one of the 'big' clubs now? He would be understudy to Evra and manure and Cole at Chelski. Currently he is first choice at Saints, playing regularly, enjoying his football and has just signed a 5 year deal. IF he did not want to be here he would not have signed that deal. We would all be naive to think that at some stage he may well move on but for now the best place for him and the England national set up is at St Marys where he can learn his trade and play regular first team football. I am sure this story will be rehashed again and again between now and Sept 2nd, usual lazy hacks trying to fill column inches with stories of 'which of the so called lesser clubs have good young talent that the 'big' clubs can just come along and buy'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I genuinely believe that even if they did come in with a big offer 1. The club would reject it 2. Shaws head would not be turned,unlike Oxo who's dad orchestrated his move out of here I reckon Shaw knows we are the best place to be at this stage of his career 3. Even if we did sell Man U would have there pants pulled down and would have to pay over £20 mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Shaw knows he'll end up at his boyhood club, Chelsea. He's no fool. I'd say he'd go in 2-3 seasons for north of £20m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 What part of not being poor anymore and needy do the press not understand? But then we have a raft of folks even on here who still think that we are still under the same monetary hardships we were before the dark clouds of Administration descended upon us. I would imagine that the battle lines for players of this calibre are already drawn up, and like has been said above anyone getting to the negotiating table is going to made to touch their toes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Why is Southampton the best place for Shaw. Going to a bigger club where he trains with better players, earns more wages, better chance of playing for England, better chance at pulling a soap star and plays less games at a young age (extending his career and earning potential) could be the best place for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Why is Southampton the best place for Shaw. Going to a bigger club where he trains with better players, earns more wages, better chance of playing for England, better chance at pulling a soap star and plays less games at a young age (extending his career and earning potential) could be the best place for him. The coaching set up here is arguably as good as thr bigger clubs these days, certainly the way our academy has been working displays this more than anything. He is young and getting plenty of game time, we are ambitious and constantly trying to improve, the team spirit is very good as is the area. Poch is arguably (along with AVB) one of the top upcoming young managers in europe IMHO and we will be lucky to keep him long term. I have no doubt that Shaw will leave eventually, but for the moment he is in the right place IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Why is Southampton the best place for Shaw. Going to a bigger club where he trains with better players, earns more wages, better chance of playing for England, better chance at pulling a soap star and plays less games at a young age (extending his career and earning potential) could be the best place for him. We are hardly a shabby club are we? We have put a lot of time in with Shaw and made him the player he is,granted he could go and earn more money and train with better players every day,but come Saturday you will still be warming the bench and will get the odd run out in a cup.here he is learning and playing week in week out plus he is only 18 so there is no rush to make the leap now No brainer for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Why is Southampton the best place for Shaw....better chance at pulling a soap star... You really haven't thought this through have you. With Johnny Depp playing for us there will be totty a plenty outside Staplewood every day...the young lads will be in line for the best of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I think the point he was making is that a club can't declare an interest in another club's player until such time that said club has agreed they can do so. It therefore follows that it shouldn't be possible for a newspaper to report this 'declaration of interest' until the clubs have come to an initial agreement. Newspapers appear to be pre-empting this agreement and reporting something that hasn't formally happened yet, ergo they are "making up" what they think is about to happen. People are simply suggesting that newspapers should report news (I.e. something that IS happening) rather than trying to create news (I.e. reporting stuff that MIGHT happen) There's declared interest and interest which has been leaked to the press. These things come from insiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'00' Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Luke Shaw will go to either Barca or Real(in a few years time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PercyR Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Why is Southampton the best place for Shaw. Going to a bigger club where he trains with better players, earns more wages, better chance of playing for England, better chance at pulling a soap star and plays less games at a young age (extending his career and earning potential) could be the best place for him. In fact, is it just me but it certainly appears that either he or the club orchestrates "an injury" so he misses out on representing England in the U21's. (This has certainly happened on the 3 or 4 U21 call ups he had). I reckon he's not that fussed on representing England at U21 level and is probably waiting for a full England call up IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 21 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2013 We'll sell when Cortese thinks he will get the club the most money. Another impressive season, his price goes up. An injury to Cole/Baines that rules them out of the WC, He could easily get picked. Then he's an England international, price rises again. From there if he gets to play in Brazil and impresses, price goes up yet again. By the end of next Summer his value could dwarf whatever the club values him at now so there is no sense in selling yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 There's declared interest and interest which has been leaked to the press. These things come from insiders. Insiders here, or at United? If at United, then there is absolutely no point if there isn't any reciprocal intention from us to look at selling him. As for the figure suggested by the Express of £10 million, where does that come from? A journo who has the ear of Moyse on what he would be prepared to pay, or one just taking a stab at a valuation based on his own uninformed guesswork? What is always amusing though, is the readiness for every other media outlet to pick up the original story and run with it almost verbatim, so that the perception gains momentum and currency that £10 million is what Shaw is worth and that Man United must be the favourites to sign him. I don't see much in the way of objectivity from journos expressing the opinion that we have already had all this speculation just a month ago featuring every single other top Premiership club and that all came to nought when he signed a long term contract with us. I see little in the way of cogent argument from any media outlets arguing sensibly (as many have on here), that we don't need to sell him and that the level of interest in him would make the price of £10 million likely to be nowhere near enough to make us sit up and take any notice. It seems that journos don't even have the intelligence to consider the basic laws of supply and demand, let alone to have the temerity to express their own opinions rather than bleat together like sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I was surprised United didn't try harder to sign Bale (I know Fergie called and left a message offering peanuts) and they clearly dropped a ball with that one. Quite frankly I'm surprised they haven't come in for Shaw this summer. Absolutely perfect for them. Hopefully they will get Baines and Chelsea will spend a fortune on some other waste of space Russian left back and we can all relax for a few years. Who said they didnt come in for Shaw? maybe they did and we told them to get lost or to go and double their offer or whatever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naboo_thats_who Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Funny how them gazumping us for Buttner probably led to him having a successful season last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I was surprised United didn't try harder to sign Bale (I know Fergie called and left a message offering peanuts) and they clearly dropped a ball with that one. Quite frankly I'm surprised they haven't come in for Shaw this summer. Absolutely perfect for them. Hopefully they will get Baines and Chelsea will spend a fortune on some other waste of space Russian left back and we can all relax for a few years. Who said they didnt come in for Shaw? maybe they did and we told them to get lost or to go and double their offer or whatever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Insiders here, or at United? Either, both or neither - there are a variety of reliable sources who can pass on this information, as we've seen from folks like Monk on here. Agents, coaches, clubs, players themselves. Sometimes buying clubs leak these things intentionally to try and unsettle a player or turn his head. Sometimes selling clubs leak information (even false information) to try and advertise a player's availability or push the price up, though that obviously isn't the case here. At no point does it suggest that we have any intent to sell him. It categorically says that we don't need to sell. All this article does, in fairly simple terms, is reports United's interest in Shaw, quotes a figure and then goes on to talk about the Baines/Fellaini story which is far more fleshed out at the moment as an official bid has been made and there are quotes from those involved. What's the problem? It may seem a pointless bit of news to us as Southampton fans but Man Utd fans will want to know what their manager is up to! Might I remind you also that it is not the job of reporters to express their own opinions on their subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I'm not losing sleep over this. He's ours for the time being, on a long contract. As long as we get a couple of years of good service, and a hefty price tag at the end, we'll not have done bad. If we are actually pushing for Europe in a couple of years, there's every chance we could keep him indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Man United looking at Shaw. Meanwhile, I'm looking at Mila Kunis. Doesn't mean I'm going to get her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 We all know what Cortese would do with a £10 million offer for Shaw. Could be a problem if Shaw gets his head turned but I would like to think he sees his immediate future here, hence why he recenlty signed the contract. It's inevitable he will want to move in a couple of seasons to a bigger club, unless by some miracle we start challenging for the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 The starting price is £25m + 20% sell on fee + £10,000 every time Arsene Wenger farts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Either, both or neither - there are a variety of reliable sources who can pass on this information, as we've seen from folks like Monk on here. Agents, coaches, clubs, players themselves. Sometimes buying clubs leak these things intentionally to try and unsettle a player or turn his head. Sometimes selling clubs leak information (even false information) to try and advertise a player's availability or push the price up, though that obviously isn't the case here. At no point does it suggest that we have any intent to sell him. It categorically says that we don't need to sell. All this article does, in fairly simple terms, is reports United's interest in Shaw, quotes a figure and then goes on to talk about the Baines/Fellaini story which is far more fleshed out at the moment as an official bid has been made and there are quotes from those involved. What's the problem? It may seem a pointless bit of news to us as Southampton fans but Man Utd fans will want to know what their manager is up to! Might I remind you also that it is not the job of reporters to express their own opinions on their subject. Maybe Man U want to put pressure on Baines and Everton? Wheels within wheels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I didn't mind until I read a man-u forum They'll nick him from us and loan him back for two seasons, good business all round... Where are these people from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Talk sport hyping this up as well saying that Man U should go after Shaw and let him be Evra`s understudy for a couple of years. Fecking annoyed me with the inference that we would just roll over and die and let mighty manc take one of our young prospects. Message to Talk Sport, Message to Manc U, those days have gone buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I wouldn't be surprised if Shaw left at the end of the season, though i hope we keep him longer. Now though when Cole & Evra would be guaranteed to be in front of him in the pecking order at Chelsea/Man U it would be crazy imo. Just to set himself back a year in his development by spending 95% of his time watching from the bench. He's playing in an up and coming premiership team where if he carries on performing he will be able to move there & be their 1st choice. Plus 10m is utterly derisory. I wouldn't let them buy his little finger for such a tiny sum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnick Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Not going to happen... End of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 10m Would love to see someone from Manure walk up to Cortese say they want Shaw for 10m. Honestly, is it a coincidence that none of our players have left this summer/winter? Could it be that Cortese isnt the easiest to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Loving the new word of the moment is 'derisory' and people that have never used it prior to this transfer window, have it firmly entrenched in their vocabulary. I pine for the days when 'untenable' was the word of the moment......I actually got sacked by a boss using that phrase! Quality post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Is this nonsense really still running ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintchris23 Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Quality post. Why thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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