Window Cleaner Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Ramirez has never been a prolific goalscorer, 1 in about 4 or 5 games. He's blighted by the weight of expectation and I feel sure that we'll see far more from him with an agile and instinctive striker in front of him. Anyone got any stats on how many critical passes he made that were then squandered by our front men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Last season in the epl... Ramirez made 26 appearances, scored 5, created 3. Puncheon made 32 appearances, scored 6 and created 1. Apparently, Puncheon was "one of our top performers last season" whereas "Gaston was awful". Funny how people read the game. I'm a dyed in the wool stat man (scibbydibbydib) but the stats don't really tell the story there. Gaston obviously has more talent but despite that he seemed to bundle goals in rather than execute anything cleanly and he seemed like a shirker most of the season. At least when I was watching Punch always put a shift in. He looked like he wanted to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Last season in the epl... Ramirez made 26 appearances, scored 5, created 3. Puncheon made 32 appearances, scored 6 and created 1. Apparently, Puncheon was "one of our top performers last season" whereas "Gaston was awful". Funny how people read the game. Which site are you using for those stats? Wiki says (for Puncheon) 32 appearances, scored 6, created 4, plus scored 1 created 1 from 2 cup games. Likewise Gaston is listed as 26 appearances, scored 5 created 2. (Yes I know, wiki is renowned for its inaccuracies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Stats don't tell everything. Ramirez was poor last season by and large. Puncheon is generally accepted to have played well. People will exaggerate both these statements to get their point across, especially if its relative to their cost but few will argue them I reckon. Aside from the facts which you choose to ignore, on what criteria would you like to base your assertions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Which site are you using for those stats? Wiki says (for Puncheon) 32 appearances, scored 6, created 4, plus scored 1 created 1 from 2 cup games. Likewise Gaston is listed as 26 appearances, scored 5 created 2. (Yes I know, wiki is renowned for its inaccuracies). espnfc.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 espnfc.com Seems like its probably accurate; PremierLeague.com says the same. Another shot in the arm for wiki accuracy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I wonder if there's a recall clause - for when we're battling Palace for that 17th spot close to the end of the season and we don't want him influencing them to survival! Ha Wummery! From me! Dat's not usual! (Meh, it was a poor attempt.) Anywho, on a serious note, I thank Punch for what he did last season. After his hissy fit in his early Saints career, he seems to have overcome his demons (although that probably helped with us playing in a higher league) and put in some good performances. His goal against Chelsea will be remembered for a long time to come. Best of luck at Blackpool. It'll be interesting to see who we bring in to replace him (as I assume we're looking at doing...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Are you a parrot? Sad to see your demise as a SW poster. Always used to look out for your posts but you have regressed. I would take a break from it all, get a sense of perspective back - you are just embarrasing yourself at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Sad to see your demise as a SW poster. Always used to look out for your posts but you have regressed. I would take a break from it all, get a sense of perspective back - you are just embarrasing yourself at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 1971saint and Blakey: two posters I have never previously noticed who have appeared to overdose on asshole tablets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollysaints1 Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Last season in the epl... Ramirez made 26 appearances, scored 5, created 3. Puncheon made 32 appearances, scored 6 and created 1. Apparently, Puncheon was "one of our top performers last season" whereas "Gaston was awful". Funny how people read the game. Jason Puncheon cost £250,000, Gaston Ramirez cost £12,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyb5443 Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Remembered for the goal at Chelsea...... For me it will be man city and then wiping his arse on the corner flag. Lots of good comments about him on here. Remember he wasn't the best performer or behaved this time a few years ago. Good luck puncheon anyway. Hopefully he can score against a few top clubs again and help us out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Jason Puncheon cost £250,000, Gaston Ramirez cost £12,000,000 JP leaving for a loan fee (possibly) Ramirez would leave for profit (IMHO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 1971sfc and Blakey: two posters I have never previously noticed who have appeared to overdose on asshole tablets. Amazingly you just named my two latest additions to the list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 My guess (and that is all it is) is that Punch, true to previous form, threw his toys out the pram when he didn't make the squad for the West Brom game. MP prefered to have his disruptive attitude out of the squad, so agreed to loan him out. If he had stayed, I'm sure he would have been a bit-part player this year, no doubt with some important contributions, but as mentioned earlier in the thread we don't seem to utilise out and out wingers much under MP and we have plenty of out attacking options that do suit MP's formations, so letting him go is no real disaster. I forgave him for his previous indiscretions, because he returned with some good performances, but I don't think that we are going to be any worse off without him around. Good luck to him, I appreciate the contributions he did make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfdelsur Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Have heard he has gone because of family problems and nothing to do with any problems at SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 22 August, 2013 Share Posted 22 August, 2013 Good luck Jason. I thought you were excellent last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 22 August, 2013 Share Posted 22 August, 2013 JP leaving for a loan fee (possibly) Ramirez would leave for profit (IMHO) Yes because we've been totally inundated with offers of over 12 million for Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 August, 2013 Share Posted 22 August, 2013 Gaston obviously has more talent but despite that he seemed to bundle goals in rather than execute anything cleanlyI am not sure I agree with you on that point. He scored a great back post header at Everton, a relative tap in against Newcastle, he slotted home cooly against Arsenal, offered a sublime chip against QPR and smashed home into the roof of the net against West Ham. Unlike Lallana, Ramirez has a hell of a shot on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 August, 2013 Share Posted 22 August, 2013 (edited) Yes because we've been totally inundated with offers of over 12 million for Ramirez Ramirez has been linked in the press with moves to the likes of Atlético Madrid, Inter Milan and Borussia Dortmund, where as Puncheon joined Crystal Palace. Gaston Ramirez is a very good player. Inconsistent, yes. Frustrating at times, yes. But he is a lot better than Puncheon. Edited 22 August, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 August, 2013 Share Posted 22 August, 2013 BBC Solent Sport @solentsport Mauricio Pochettino:"Jason Puncheon made a personal decision and we agreed with it". #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 August, 2013 Share Posted 22 August, 2013 No direct quote saying as much, but the BBC say Pochettino hinted in the print conference that James Ward-Prowse would be the main beneficiary of Puncheon's departure. Might see him playing on the right more frequently this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 22 August, 2013 Share Posted 22 August, 2013 I am not sure I agree with you on that point. He scored a great back post header at Everton, a relative tap in against Newcastle, he slotted home cooly against Arsenal, offered a sublime chip against QPR and smashed home into the roof of the net against West Ham. Unlike Lallana, Ramirez has a hell of a shot on him. he's also demonstrated in the past an ability to hit the target from long distance and take set pieces but he did none of that for us. I don't doubt he's capable. He was just held back by something and I just hope whatever held him back can be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 22 August, 2013 Share Posted 22 August, 2013 Ramirez has been linked in the press with moves to the likes of Athlectico Madrid, Inter Milan and Borussia Dortmund, where as Puncheon joined Crystal Palace. Gaston Ramirez is a very good player. Inconsistent, yes. Frustrating at times, yes. But he is a lot better than Puncheon. That is true but on current form he isn't. And any player that is (allegedly) unhappy at a club will be linked to numerous clubs in the paper if they wanted him they would have made an offer, truth is if we sold now wed be at a loss. This season will prove wether he just needed time or is never going to suit are style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 August, 2013 Share Posted 23 August, 2013 Been on holiday with the family in Italy, so not had net connection (but heard the news about Osvaldo signing through my son because some Italian kids told him, my reaction to that is, lets hope it works out considering the amount of times he snubbed us...). Gutted Puncheon has gone. Thought he looked good in the Villach games, and had a good season last year. Pretty p*ssed off if he has been shipped out to make way for the Carlos Kickaballs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 "Not content to sit on their lead, Palace created plenty, albeit most of it from long range. The man of the match, Jason Puncheon, ran unopposed into the Sunderland half, before cutting inside and sending a low 25-yard drive fizzing inches wide." Grrrrr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 Sad to see your demise as a SW poster. Always used to look out for your posts but you have regressed. I would take a break from it all, get a sense of perspective back - you are just embarrasing yourself at the moment. Really ? The only reason I looked out was to ensure I ignored them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 "Not content to sit on their lead, Palace created plenty, albeit most of it from long range. The man of the match, Jason Puncheon, ran unopposed into the Sunderland half, before cutting inside and sending a low 25-yard drive fizzing inches wide." Grrrrr... I don't know what the personal issues were that made him want to be in London but without them he should have been a likely starter for us. Made a difference whenever he came on at the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 "Not content to sit on their lead, Palace created plenty, albeit most of it from long range. The man of the match, Jason Puncheon, ran unopposed into the Sunderland half, before cutting inside and sending a low 25-yard drive fizzing inches wide." Grrrrr... Yeh coz we need more shots going wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 September, 2013 Share Posted 1 September, 2013 He looked useful against Sunderland but passing with the outside of your foot can only work so many times. He was wasteful when he got a chance.Had we got a decent result yesterday his performance would have hardly made a post on here. He was ok for us but we need to up the quality and his mood swings do not help the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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