Roger Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 He hasnt speculated anything, all he did was commented on what happened the last time he failed to get games. Hope he does well, glad he managed to put what happened behind him and find some form, he could do worse than palace IMO as Im not sure he is consistantly of this level Are you for real. He's shown he's more up to it than Lallana. Was very good last season and in pre season was very good too. When we beat man city, Liverpool and Chelsea he played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Disappointing. He was a real threat at times last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Seems like it is likely, but everyone is talking like it's already been announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Are you for real. He's shown he's more up to it than Lallana. Was very good last season and in pre season was very good too. When we beat man city, Liverpool and Chelsea he played! I was dissapointed with Lallana last year yes and hoping he is up for it this year. I am, for real, yes. He played very well, which is what I said, but things change. Cork was good but think that Wanyama will be better, Lamberts a great player but think Osvaldo will be better, its progression and is the reason why Wooton, Forte and Antonio are no longer lining up for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I was dissapointed with Lallana last year yes and hoping he is up for it this year. I am, for real, yes. He played very well, which is what I said, but things change. Cork was good but think that Wanyama will be better, Lamberts a great player but think Osvaldo will be better, its progression and is the reason why Wooton, Forte and Antonio are no longer lining up for us. I think it's completely different. Osvaldo will have to be some player to do better than lambert. Hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 i could not see it confirmed on the OS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Complete speculation. Puncheon is very popular within the saints camp I'm sure he is, but if he were to repeat his league one antics (refusing to travel to away games when not picked etc) then that would definitely be disruptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Seems like it is likely, but everyone is talking like it's already been announced. I assumed it had without checking tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 This wouldn't surprise me greatly, Pochettino has never fancied him much. I think it would be a shame though, as he was one of our better players last season and definitely our best option from the bench in terms of attacking impact. Perhaps he wants to be more than that - in which case fair play to him. I can see the logic in earlier posts about Pochettino moving away from natural wide players in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolSaint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Cant see this confirmed on the OS, would be a shame, after his initial clashes off field with management he had a good season. Is a reliable player off the bench. Only way I can see this happening is if Sinclair is already being lined up to replace him in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanghai Saint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Cant see this confirmed on the OS, would be a shame, after his initial clashes off field with management he had a good season. Is a reliable player off the bench. Only way I can see this happening is if Sinclair is already being lined up to replace him in the squad. Agreed, can't see the sense in this unless we have Sinclair or another prospect in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 (edited) http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-transfers-scott-sinclair-2193300? Where could he have sourced this story? Edited 21 August, 2013 by Faz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Confirmed today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Confirmed today Gutted , a player who has worked really hard to win us a,l over and proved he can turn it on in the prem, some vital and spectacular goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Can't we give them Fox instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I don't doubt he was effective last season (at times anyway - he put in a few half-hearted performances as well as I remember) but he didn't even make the bench on saturday against WBA. This suggests to me that either we already have a new winger lined up, or there are non-footballing reasons behind this decision which, given his previous, isn't outside the realms of possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 (edited) I think that's rubbish. So Lallana, j rod and Ramirez have shown they should be in? Football has 11 positions in a team and it is the managers job to pick who feels are the best 11 to carry out his tactics. Everyone has opinions but it is the managers that counts. Yes Puncheon has been good for Saints recently but then again arguably so were Hammond, Sharp Harding and even Adkins in their time and we moved on. NC has a plan to get to the top 6 fast and there is little room in this plan for sentimentality. Is that right? It has certainly been effective to date! One could argue some of the others were actually more loyal to the Saints than Punch. He is a good impact player at this level but we are moving onwards and upwards and the manager cannot carry an over bloated squad and bring in improvments at the same time. Something has to give! In this case it appears MP thinks it should be Punch! We can argue if he is the right or the wrong one. but it is MP's and the rest of the managements view that counts in the end. If he goes he goes with my best wishes for success and thanks for his contribution to date like all the others. We have at least helped him to prove he is Premiere standard and given his career boost! Edited 21 August, 2013 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Football has 11 positions in a team and it is the managers job to pick who feels are the best 11 to carry out his tactics. Everyone has opinions but it is the managers that counts. Yes Puncheon has been good for Saints recently but then again arguably so were Hammond, Sharp Harding and even Adkins in their time and we moved on. NC has a plan to get to the top 6 fast and their is little room in this plan for sentimentality. Is that right? It has certainly been effective to date! One could argue some of the others were actually more loyal to the Saints than Punch. He is a good impact player at this level but we are moving onwards and upwards and the manager cannot carry an over bloated squad and bring in improvments at the same time. Something has to give! In this case it appears MP thinks it should be Punch! We can argue if he is the right or the wrong one. but it is MP's and the rest of the managements view that counts in the end. If he goes he goes with my best wishes for success and thanks for his contribution to date like all the others we have at least helped him to prove he is Premiere standard and given his career boost! More like the others are not in the same class at puncheon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Are you for real. He's shown he's more up to it than Lallana. Was very good last season and in pre season was very good too. When we beat man city, Liverpool and Chelsea he played! Blimey! when you fall in love, you really do it big time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 More like the others are not in the same class at puncheon! I was not comparing the class of the others to Puncheon just that every stage in this journey better players are being brought in and unfortunately the old guard need to move on! It is the difficult balance of sentiment versus progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 We are deffo short of width now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Can't we give them Fox instead? Punch is left footed - surely he could change position and be LB cover! (joke, of sorts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 We are deffo short of pace now! Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Mixed feelings if it happens. Two years ago we could hardly give him away, and although he has got back on the bus etc, I always felt it would not take much to see him have another sulk, and disrupt things in the camp (prolonged period out of the starting team perhaps?). With Osvaldo arriving, perhaps MP does not want two sulking beasts in the dressing room (both wanting to be in charge of the pre-match music!). If we are 'upgrading' with Sinclair then we are improving our attacking options. Defensively though JP offered more, and linked well with Clyne as an outlet as well as going forward. Puncheon certainly played his part last season,and probably still has something to offer us. Last year he was certainly more effective than Lallana. Surprised he was not a sub at WBA, but this move was probably in the making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I won't be as upset as some if he does go. He's a decent enough player, but I really don't rate him as much as others on here I don't think. I think he flatters to deceive quite frankly, and yes he is direct, but then very often slows down play by dragging back, pausing, dragging back again and getting himself a bit lost. He was good at times last year, and yeah scored some important goals, but he was also prone to go missing. He did win me round after his petulance and immature outbursts, and I wish him well, but yeah I'm not overly fussed by his leaving. Particularly if rumours of an incoming upgrade are true. Cheers punch, all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Confirmed today Is it a 6 month or season long deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downthe36 Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Confirmed today Retirement is going well then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Would suggest that means Sinclair with Isgrove as backup? I'd be happy with that as it gives a combination of improved first team player and room for the youngster to play 10+ games too. Sad to see Punch go though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Haha love it Dan. Do you have the same sauce as me? Why yes I believe I do!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Yep. Never been a fan of Puncheon to be honest, looks like he running through treacle at times.. Lallana will come good this season as will Ramirez, and J-Rod showed in that purple patch last year what a player he can be when full of confidence. So in short, faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 BBC site says a season long lone at JP's request due to family issues. So not instigated by SFC !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Probably gave Punch the new contract with one eye on selling him Runs the contract out walks for free or give him a contract send him on loan and has a good season playing weekly = nice valuation for selling In todays market you would probably get between £2.5 - £4 mill for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 So every player outside of our first 11 or first 18 that wants to leave and someone will take will be allowed to leave? Yep, that's what Mr Cortese said in an interview after the released list. He said no player would be sold unless they asked to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 If Puncheon is only attracting loan offers from Palace, who would Guly Do Prado attract? It'll be Championship or abroad possibly back to Italy or Brazil. If someone did bid for Guly Do Prado I doubt the club would fight to keep hold of him. Neither Puncheon or Guly would play much this season and the club is looking to progress. To do that you sign better players than you have in the first XI and sell/loan/release players at the other end of the squad, promoting good youth prospects as you go. Flooding and bloating the first team squad with average/below average players is what Rupert Lowe did and it added in disaster. I think that should be Neither Puncheon nor Guly... Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 He's had family issues since last season. Remember potch saying that was why he wasn't in team around march. I'm pleased in a way that wasn't saints decision. If we get sinclair be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 He's had family issues since last season. Remember potch saying that was why he wasn't in team around march. I'm pleased in a way that wasn't saints decision. If we get sinclair be happy. Samsies mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 He doesnt do keep ball with no end product so well. Tends to lose it but also score. Depends which you prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Probably gave Punch the new contract with one eye on selling him Runs the contract out walks for free or give him a contract send him on loan and has a good season playing weekly = nice valuation for selling In todays market you would probably get between £2.5 - £4 mill for him Probably a sell on clause if Palace manage to stay up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8881254/transfer-news-crystal-palace-set-to-sign-southamptons-jason-puncheon-on-loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Personal issues , I just wonder what sort of personal issues get in the way of a bloke from London playing in Southampton. Larry David in the wonderful"curb your enthusiasm" uses personal issues to get out of things he doesn't want to do. Nobody is rude enough to ask Larry what they are. Personal issues for puncheon and he gets the forums backing, throwing his toys out the pram cause he's not playing and he's a knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 I won't be as upset as some if he does go. He's a decent enough player, but I really don't rate him as much as others on here I don't think. I think he flatters to deceive quite frankly, and yes he is direct, but then very often slows down play by dragging back, pausing, dragging back again and getting himself a bit lost. He was good at times last year, and yeah scored some important goals, but he was also prone to go missing. He did win me round after his petulance and immature outbursts, and I wish him well, but yeah I'm not overly fussed by his leaving. Particularly if rumours of an incoming upgrade are true. Cheers punch, all the best. This. Far too many times he goes inside and runs into no one. People concentrate too much on goals, he scored some good ones and important ones but not a lot else IMO and was very frustrating. Lallana is simply a much better player, he just struggled after his injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 (edited) Confirmed by tomorrow at the VERY latest. I'm expecting to hear later on today. Edited 21 August, 2013 by Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Confirmed by tomorrow at the VERY latest. I'm expecting to hear later on today. Already confirmed mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Meh look on the bright side. If we keep improving to the plan this thread next season will be about Lallana & JRod/Ramirez after we buy xyz for 65 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 This. Far too many times he goes inside and runs into no one. People concentrate too much on goals, he scored some good ones and important ones but not a lot else IMO and was very frustrating. Lallana is simply a much better player, he just struggled after his injury. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Already confirmed mate Where? I've not seen it confirmed anywhere! Maybe I'm just missing it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 (edited) This. Far too many times he goes inside and runs into no one. People concentrate too much on goals, he scored some good ones and important ones but not a lot else IMO and was very frustrating. Lallana is simply a much better player, he just struggled after his injury. If anyone is comparing Lallana and Puncheon then they're missing the point; Puncheon is an entirely different player to Lallana and the options the two of them provide to the squad either starting or from the bench could have been beneficial. Puncheon has asked to leave so its a moot point in any case. But a total of 7 goals and 5 assists last season is a decent haul from someone who started in around 2/3 of our league games. Edited 21 August, 2013 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Puncheon has asked to leave so its a moot point in any case. But a total of 7 goals and 5 assists last season is a decent haul from someone who started in around 2/3 of our league games. Huh? He started almost every game under Adkins and a handful under Poch as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Huh? He started almost every game under Adkins and a handful under Poch as well According to wiki he started 25 and came on as sub in 7. 25/38 is pretty much bang on 2/3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 August, 2013 Share Posted 21 August, 2013 Sorry, I read it as 2 or 3 rather than two thirds. Duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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