BlakeySFC Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I think this is absolutely ridiculous personally. Why sign him up to a new contract at the end of last season to then tell him 'you're no longer wanted' 1 week into the new season, it's absolutely ridiculous, baffling and extremely dissappointing. Severely ****ed off, thought Puncheon was one of our best players last year and contributed vital goals to the team overrall. Raging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Are you serious? You don't like the club progressing by signing better players and developing? Puncheon is fine to start for a bottom half Premier League team or be cover for a mid table team. But Saints have aspirations beyond that and Puncheon will struggle to get into our matchday 18 let alone the starting XI. Understandable why he'd want to goto Palace, as he won't play here. Whilst I agree we need to progress, in my opinion Puncheon had a better body of work last season than Lallana, JWP, Davis, Guly, and Ramirez. Whilst I can understand why Lallana, JWP, and Ramirez may still be at the club why have we let Jason Puncheon go ahead of the likes of Guly and Davis? In my opinion we have allowed weaker players to remain at the club while Puncheon has left. There is no transfer fee, just the benefit of having his wages paid, I presume. On that basis I can only assume there are non-footballing reasons that have contributed to this move as otherwise it makes little sense on the face of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 This is a surprise if true. Well that's that then - either we're planning on bringing another AM in (Yay! Most likely I think...) or using Osvaldo or Lambert in a deeper role (they can't do that all season) or relying on youth players like Rowe and Isgrove to fill the gaps (Massive confidence in both if so.) From what I've seen of him, I'd take Banega in a heartbeat (but then yes, even De Ridder looked good in videos), but I would also think we're in the hunt for someone like Sinclair. Apparently he was due to sign for WBA but that still hasn't happened, so maybe he's still weighing up his options or waiting for a permanent move. Feel sorry for Punch. Ok he was a stubborn S.O.B before not wanting to play for us, but differences were resolved and he actually played quite well for us last season. Still Holloway must be a fan, he had him at Blackpool, and this way he gets more regular game time in the Premier League. Didn't he only sign a new contract last season though? Weird planning if so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I think this is absolutely ridiculous personally. Why sign him up to a new contract at the end of last season to then tell him 'you're no longer wanted' 1 week into the new season, it's absolutely ridiculous, baffling and extremely dissappointing. Severely ****ed off, thought Puncheon was one of our best players last year and contributed vital goals to the team overrall. Raging. You have become a parody of yourself pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 (edited) For once, I agree with MLG. Progression, not sentiment is the way forward. I think that's rubbish. So Lallana, j rod and Ramirez have shown they should be in? Yes, the three of them are better than Puncheon. Which is why they are playing for Saints and Puncheon appears to be signing for Palace who are likely going to struggle this season. Saints have now added Osvaldo, who moves Puncheon further down the pecking order for one of the front four positions. As I said earlier... Puncheon is fine to start for a bottom half Premier League team or be cover for a mid table team. But Saints have aspirations beyond that as they look to progress. If Puncheon wants to play regularly he is going to need to move, which is what he appears to be doing. Edited 20 August, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Seems a bit foolish to loan one of our better players to our rival? Only signed a new contract recently...... Club needs to make its mind up. Unless they have another coming in or needed him of the payroll to complete Osvaldo this seems a dumb move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 So, many of the moan boys are out again and have got something to moan about, I´m happy for you.... About Puncheon. Often flattered to decieve imo, scored vital goals but probably played at his max. The club is moving forward, other players have much higher potential and are therefore (rightly so) choosen over him. Likeable guy but the club moves forward and if he wants to be guaranteed a certain amount of game time it´s the right choice for everybody to part ways.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 You have become a parody of yourself pal. Qué? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I think this is absolutely ridiculous personally. Why sign him up to a new contract at the end of last season to then tell him 'you're no longer wanted' 1 week into the new season, it's absolutely ridiculous, baffling and extremely dissappointing. Severely ****ed off, thought Puncheon was one of our best players last year and contributed vital goals to the team overrall. Raging. So negative, why the hate and anger? What if the conversation was actually Palace asking about him, Punch asking us if he would get regular games, us saying we can't promise that but he will get game time, but us also respecting he wants to play week-in, week-out? We were never going to offer him a guaranteed starting place, so if somebody else is and playing is his priority, why stand in his way? So long as the club feels they have the right cover in the squad, we're all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Yes, the three of them are better than Puncheon. Which is why they are playing for Saints and Puncheon appears to be signing for Palace who are likely going to struggle this season. Saints have now added Osvaldo, who moves Puncheon further down the pecking order for one of the front four positions. As I said earlier... Puncheon is fine to start for a bottom half Premier League team or be cover for a mid table team. But Saints have aspirations beyond that as they look to progress. If Puncheon wants to play regularly he is going to need to move, which is what he appears to be doing. No they are not. I think you're wrong. Don't understand where those opinions are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Whilst I agree we need to progress, in my opinion Puncheon had a better body of work last season than Lallana, JWP, Davis, Guly, and Ramirez. Whilst I can understand why Lallana, JWP, and Ramirez may still be at the club why have we let Jason Puncheon go ahead of the likes of Guly and Davis? In my opinion we have allowed weaker players to remain at the club while Puncheon has left. There is no transfer fee, just the benefit of having his wages paid, I presume. On that basis I can only assume there are non-footballing reasons that have contributed to this move as otherwise it makes little sense on the face of it. Out of the three of Guly, Davis and Puncheon. Who would you think will be most disappointed if he wasn´t given game time and therefore might not be the best to have in the squad?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 (edited) Seems a bit foolish to loan one of our better players to our rival? Of course you are likely to be your usual WUM self. But who knows... You think the team favourite to go down are Saints' rival this season? Puncheon won't be able to play against us and could potentially help Palace take points off those clubs that really are our rivals in mid table and higher this season. Edited 20 August, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 So negative, why the hate and anger? What if the conversation was actually Palace asking about him, Punch asking us if he would get regular games, us saying we can't promise that but he will get game time, but us also respecting he wants to play week-in, week-out? We were never going to offer him a guaranteed starting place, so if somebody else is and playing is his priority, why stand in his way? So long as the club feels they have the right cover in the squad, we're all good. People seem to forget that these loans/transfers can be instigated by a party other than SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 This is a surprise if true. Well that's that then - either we're planning on bringing another AM in (Yay! Most likely I think...) or using Osvaldo or Lambert in a deeper role (they can't do that all season) or relying on youth players like Rowe and Isgrove to fill the gaps (Massive confidence in both if so.) From what I've seen of him, I'd take Banega in a heartbeat (but then yes, even De Ridder looked good in videos), but I would also think we're in the hunt for someone like Sinclair. Apparently he was due to sign for WBA but that still hasn't happened, so maybe he's still weighing up his options or waiting for a permanent move. Feel sorry for Punch. Ok he was a stubborn S.O.B before not wanting to play for us, but differences were resolved and he actually played quite well for us last season. Still Holloway must be a fan, he had him at Blackpool, and this way he gets more regular game time in the Premier League. Didn't he only sign a new contract last season though? Weird planning if so... Would probably be worse business to let him go on a free, dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Out of the three of Guly, Davis and Puncheon. Who would you think will be most disappointed if he wasn´t given game time and therefore might not be the best to have in the squad?? Complete speculation again. But would be most dissapointed as he's the best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I'm loving what's happening at our club. However, think this would be a mistake. Might not even be true anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I like the type of player that Punch is and the type of football that it brings i.e. running at players, high energy/tempo, not scared to have a shot from distance (not always on target!), we'll gloss over trying to take on 1 too many players at times. He probably scored the most memorable goals last season after SRL. However IMO he will at best only be an impact sub which he could probably accept but with the amount of mid field players now available I presume that he would not be satisfied with not even being on the bench for some matches. If he felt or was told that this was the likely scenario this season he may initiated a loan move (if this loan rumour is true). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 No they are not. I think you're wrong. Don't understand where those opinions are coming from. He Makes it up as he goes along.... Was waxing lyrical about Puncheon only a few weeks back. Typical of some on SWF...... seen it so many times now. Sharp, Hammond, Adkins now Puncheon. Everyone raves about them, club then moves or tries to move them on and the same doughnuts worshipping day earlier start posting "never good enough" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 (edited) Based on the same club behavior can see Clyne moving on too. We can start another team with the rejects, discarded and sell by daters. Might add, what better way to get his way than move out all the older UK players and have the nippers who'll do whatever they're told. Edited 20 August, 2013 by ART Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 So negative, why the hate and anger? What if the conversation was actually Palace asking about him, Punch asking us if he would get regular games, us saying we can't promise that but he will get game time, but us also respecting he wants to play week-in, week-out? We were never going to offer him a guaranteed starting place, so if somebody else is and playing is his priority, why stand in his way? So long as the club feels they have the right cover in the squad, we're all good. Why give him a new contract at the end of last season then? He should be getting regular games, he's actually a right winger rather that Jay Rod. It just baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Complete speculation again. But would be most dissapointed as he's the best player. Hmm, I thought 95% on a football discussion forum was that, speculation....and most certainly this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 ART, you are a complete and utter lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Of course you are likely to be your usual WUM self. But who knows... You think the team favourite to go down are Saints' rival this season? Puncheon won't be able to play against us and could potentially help Palace take points of those clubs that really are our rivals in mid table and higher this season. Far to logical for this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 By signing multi million pound players there are bound to be casualties. I don't see CP being a competitor, well I hope not anyway, we should be far superior to them with our squad or MP will be on his toes before the new year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I think this is absolutely ridiculous personally. Why sign him up to a new contract at the end of last season to then tell him 'you're no longer wanted' 1 week into the new season, it's absolutely ridiculous, baffling and extremely dissappointing. Severely ****ed off, thought Puncheon was one of our best players last year and contributed vital goals to the team overrall. Raging. I'm slightly confused by it, but it's certainly not a move to promote ''Rage'' and ''Anger'' from me, and not too many others I wouldn't have thought. Calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Why give him a new contract at the end of last season then? He should be getting regular games, he's actually a right winger rather that Jay Rod. It just baffles me. We offered the contract as we don't want him to walk out for nothing and, I assume, still believe he has something to offer us (he does, IMO). But if the chance to play more regularly comes along, should we say no and make him sit on the bench? If he was so incredibly good that he was guaranteed a starting place it would be different. But he isn't, he's not even in the first 6 or 7 names on the teamsheet and we have other options in his position. If he was happy to sit on the bench and wait, superb for us to have that option. But I say fair play to the lad for wanting more regular games. As somebody quite rightly says above, it's not Punch of Saints that would have instigated this, but Palace. It's not like we signed him up and have now said he isn't good enough, off you jog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 The fact that Puncheon has been loaned out by Guly is still kicking about the club is borderline criminal imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 The fact that Puncheon has been loaned out by Guly is still kicking about the club is borderline criminal imho Perhaps that's because nobody has come to us and asked to take him. Somebody did with Puncheon and we seem to have said yes. Same with Hammond, Barnard, Sharp etc... when somebody wants them, I'm sure we'll look at their offer. But if nobody wants him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 (edited) The fact that Puncheon has been loaned out by Guly is still kicking about the club is border line criminal imho If Puncheon is only attracting loan offers from Palace, who would Guly Do Prado attract? It'll be Championship or abroad possibly back to Italy or Brazil. If someone did bid for Guly Do Prado I doubt the club would fight to keep hold of him. Neither Puncheon or Guly would play much this season and the club is looking to progress. To do that you sign better players than you have in the first XI and sell/loan/release players at the other end of the squad, promoting good youth prospects as you go. Flooding and bloating the first team squad with average/below average players is what Rupert Lowe did and it added in disaster. I agree with MLG. Progression, not sentiment is the way forward. Edited 20 August, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Perhaps that's because nobody has come to us and asked to take him. Somebody did with Puncheon and we seem to have said yes. Same with Hammond, Barnard, Sharp etc... when somebody wants them, I'm sure we'll look at their offer. But if nobody wants him... What is it now 14 out 3 in? MOPO does realise its a long season right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I think this is absolutely ridiculous personally. Why sign him up to a new contract at the end of last season to then tell him 'you're no longer wanted' 1 week into the new season, it's absolutely ridiculous, baffling and extremely dissappointing. Severely ****ed off, thought Puncheon was one of our best players last year and contributed vital goals to the team overrall. Raging. Get over yourself and stop trying to be a forum superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 ART, you are a complete and utter lunatic. I get slagged off when I point this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 If Puncheon is only attracting loan offers from Palace, who would Guly Do Prado attract? It'll be Championship or abroad possibly back to Italy or Brazil. Neither Puncheon or Guly would play much this season and the club is looking to progress. To do that you sign better players than you have in the first XI and sell/loan/release players at the other end of the squad, promoting good youth prospects as you go. Flooding and bloating the first team squad with average/below average players is what Rupert Lowe did and it added in disaster. Id be happy with one in one out approach.... But 14 out 3 in doesnt leave us with a "bloated squad" mate far from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Strange thing to do, unless this new guy can play out wide or we have another signing lined up. Puncheon made a decent contribution last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I get slagged off when I point this out. Not sure why, it's true! He's a nutter, every post he makes I'm sat here with a great big ''WTF'' face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 ART, you are a complete and utter lunatic. I'm hereby warn you, any further such use of such statements and I shall take necessary action for abuse of confidence. I may be severely physically disabled, confined to my apartment, but mentally I have above average capacities and I.Q. Night after night you and your minions harass me for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 What is it now 14 out 3 in? MOPO does realise its a long season right? Id be happy with one in one out approach.... But 14 out 3 in doesnt leave us with a "bloated squad" mate far from it The club can only name 25 senior players, plus it has one of the best youth academies in the country to draw upon for extra numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I'm hereby warn you, any further such use of such statements and I shall take necessary action for abuse of confidence. I may be severely physically disabled, confined to my apartment, but mentally I have above average capacities and I.Q. Night after night you and your minions harass me for no reason. I don't harass you, it wasn't meant as an attack either. You just post some crazy stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Id be happy with one in one out approach.... But 14 out 3 in doesnt leave us with a "bloated squad" mate far from it http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/team/ You want to add 11 (!!!!!) more players to this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 I'm hereby warn you, any further such use of such statements and I shall take necessary action for abuse of confidence. I may be severely physically disabled, confined to my apartment, but mentally I have above average capacities and I.Q. Night after night you and your minions harass me for no reason. Well said mate! Mods seem to ignore the rat packs bullying day after day...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Seems a bit foolish to loan one of our better players to our rival? Only signed a new contract recently...... Club needs to make its mind up. Unless they have another coming in or needed him of the payroll to complete Osvaldo this seems a dumb move As I understand it, there are a few reasons to offer a contract to a player. One of these is because you want him to stay. Another is because you want his value to I increase. Much better than not renewing and he goes on a free. Looks like the latter option in this case, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Well said mate! Mods seem to ignore the rat packs bullying day after day...... Yeah, I can agree with that. You're still posting for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 What is it now 14 out 3 in? MOPO does realise its a long season right? I do believe our manager knows how many games are in a season, yes. Our squad needed to trim down, would you prefer we kept on paying the wages of those 14, just so we had a big squad? Do you really think Chaplow and Co. would be able to contribute positively to our team? And let's not forget our younger players coming through, who don't count towards our maximum squad size, but do seem ready to take the place of Hammond, Sharp and others. Seems sensible to me, we get the quality cover we need, we promote youth players, we give youth experience and occasional playing time, we save wages and we do all this without any sacrifice in quality (based on what we've seen so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Strange thing to do, unless this new guy can play out wide or we have another signing lined up. Puncheon made a decent contribution last year. This new guy can play out wide, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Id be happy with one in one out approach.... But 14 out 3 in doesnt leave us with a "bloated squad" mate far from it Been a bit distracted by the ins can you list the outs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 Been a bit distracted by the ins can you list the outs? Having revived the "15 leaving" thread, I'm pretty sure it's only 11 out at the moment, including Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/team/ You want to add 11 (!!!!!) more players to this?? 24 players including 3 GKs and 4 or 5 that are not prem quality. Its a long season and Puncheon could have assisted us this season. Like i said..... Loan him out, but you need to replace him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 all this anger by some of you....you are automatically making assumptions that the club wanted rid......none of you know this like none of you had a clue apart from Monk what was going on with Osvaldo.....and look how stupid you all looked when he signed. Why wait for the facts to come out???....just go ahead and blame someone because you need your scapegoats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 As I understand it, there are a few reasons to offer a contract to a player. One of these is because you want him to stay. Another is because you want his value to I increase. Much better than not renewing and he goes on a free. Looks like the latter option in this case, It was an odd one, but if you look at his appearances following Poch's arrival...they slowly and steadily decreased. After being a nailed on starter for Adkins, he was reduced to a bit part player towards the end of last season. So looking it it like that, I don't think Poch ever fancied him as much as Adkins did. Good player, but not at the level we want. Hence why he's gone to Palace, and they're also not our rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 August, 2013 Share Posted 20 August, 2013 all this anger by some of you....you are automatically making assumptions that the club wanted rid......none of you know this like none of you had a clue apart from Monk what was going on with Osvaldo.....and look how stupid you all looked when he signed. Why wait for the facts to come out???....just go ahead and blame someone because you need your scapegoats! You mean he just decided to pitch up at Palace on the off-chance and the club doesn't know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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