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I worry about the ego of the England team with all these hardworking professionals under consideration. Seriously though, good to see. Plenty of English players do an excellent job for their unfancied team. Nice to see Hodgson widen the pool.

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I think its lazy to say that because you play for Man U, youre not hungry to play for England. However Lambert did look far more happy to be given a chance...... maybe we are just bias that way

 

Possibly, but the attitude of some of the perennial England players, one in particular, has been very difficult to take.

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I wouldn't say any are currently good enough apart from Lambert. They're all bottom half standard atm, but will hopefully improve.

 

Agree with this. All of those could eventually be good enough (apart from Puncheon) but are not there yet. Closest I'd say is Clyne, if Johnson and Walker have sh*te seasons.

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I wouldn't say any are currently good enough apart from Lambert. They're all bottom half standard atm, but will hopefully improve.

 

Bottom half prem maybe but we are talking England here and there aint that many great England players bouncing about nowadays.

 

How many LBs are ahead of Shaw? 2-3 maybe?

How many RBs are ahead of Clyne? 1 or 2 maybe?

How many CM are ahead of Cork?

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Bottom half prem maybe but we are talking England here and there aint that many great England players bouncing about nowadays.

 

How many LBs are ahead of Shaw? 2-3 maybe?

How many RBs are ahead of Clyne? 1 or 2 maybe?

How many CBs are ahead of Cork?

 

Yes, but in a squad that only has 2 full-backs?

Baines and Cole ahead of Shaw, Walker and Johnson ahead of Clyne.

 

As for Cork at CB, that's a terrible attempt at trolling.

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I think that any one of the saints players mentioned are at least equal if not better than welbeck so why shouldn't they be considered?

If welbeck was playing at any other team instead of Manu do you think he would get a chance?

If zaha stayed at palace would he have been called up?

The FA have got to be looking and recruiting from the likes of saints,the overpaid ponces from the bigger clubs have had it easy for too long and need to move aside for the sake of the international game.

The culture of 'jobs for the boys' need to be eradicated from the England setup otherwise we will never win a thing.

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Ain't it that Morgan would have had to declare for England when he was still U21s? I read bout FIFA closing this loopholes I think.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18833190

 

13 July 2012

The FAW have confirmed Rangel is not eligible under an agreement the four home nations have lodged with Fifa.

 

 

Other than birthplace, parents or grandparents players can only represent one of the home nations if they have had five years of continuous education up to the age of 18 in that country.

 

 

That ruling, introduced by Fifa in 2009, has led to England-born Crystal Palace midfielder Andy Dorman winning three caps for Wales.

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With the ****e we have playing for England I'd rather have them anytime. Lets face it England do not have anyone that is genuinely world class IMHO

 

Neither do we though.

 

Shaw and Clyne are potentially world class, but won't be close to that for a few years. I would have said Cork couldn't have been too far from an international call up last season, although he petered out a bit towards the end of last season - and don't think it would be fashionable to have him in there.

 

J-Rod is an interesting one, as he's not good enough, and really needs to get his head down and work at his finishing, but if he improved that, then he could get a good 15 goals a season in the prem - and he is a handful.

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I reckon Shaw might be good enough to be the best English LB by next summer. All the others have better players ahead of them, but ought to be considered if there's an injury crisis.

 

On a slight side note, did you see big Sam reckons Carroll and Lambert will be competing to get in the squad? Frankly, I think that's insulting to Rickie! He's by far the most in form English striker, and has been for some time. It's Rooney who should be worried, not that cheating, diving donkey Carroll! Mind you, he's probably right cos Hodgson does seem somewhat inable to see the woods for the trees most of the time

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I reckon Shaw might be good enough to be the best English LB by next summer. All the others have better players ahead of them, but ought to be considered if there's an injury crisis.

 

On a slight side note, did you see big Sam reckons Carroll and Lambert will be competing to get in the squad? Frankly, I think that's insulting to Rickie! He's by far the most in form English striker, and has been for some time. It's Rooney who should be worried, not that cheating, diving donkey Carroll! Mind you, he's probably right cos Hodgson does seem somewhat inable to see the woods for the trees most of the time

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I wonder if we could field an English 11, and how many other EPL teams could?

 

Davis

Clyne

Stephens

Turnbull

Shaw

Punch

Cork

JWP

Lallana

SRL

Osvaldo (Anglo-Argentinian-Italian)

 

we could if we wanted to finish mid-table in the Championship. KD alone would ensure that...sh*t keeper. However I think Cropper has dual nationality so he'd probably be a better option.

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That doesn't take into account how bad the other prem teams would be! Who'd be best? Utd have a fair few, Amos, Smalling, Jones, Carrick, Cleverly, Young, Zaha, Rooney, Welbeck. Just needs some full backs and it'd do ok. Doubt any team can do better than that.

 

They're head and shoulders above the rest, I think we'd give most a run for their money. Norwich could manage:

 

Ruddy

X Turner R Bennett Johnson

E Bennett Howson X Redmond

X Hooper

 

Which is half decent, and easily filled in if you include other British players. They've only got a handful of foreign players around the first XI and a couple of them are new signings

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Is Shaw 3rd choice? Who am I forgetting? He's only missed u21s due to injury, he'll make a squad when Cole and/or Baines are injured you'd think?

 

I think you may have misunderstood. I was saying Shaw may well be a better option for England than Cole or Baines (or any other English LB) by the summer, whereas all the other English Saints players face stiffer competition from English players who play in the same position as them at other clubs (with the exception of Rickie, who is clearly the best English striker right now, so really should be first choice).

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Where does JWP sit on this list then? I haven't seen enough of him to be honest. Feel sorry for Cork if he doesn't play much, as he's the sort of playing England don't have many of, if any, after Parker seems to have given up on top flight football.

 

It's definitely central midfield where the lack of quality is and players have a chance to get in. Ross Barkley seems to have had a good start and get raved about, how does he compare to JWP? On the few occasions I've seen JWP he looks really composed for a kid and keeps possession really well. Basically exactly the sort of player England fans moan the country doesn't produce. I see more and more of them coming through though. Certainly be good to see him and Barkley play for the U21s together.

 

Lack of quality in midfield ?

 

Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick of the old guard, then you have Wilshere, Rodwell, Cleverley, Cork probably, Shelvey if he keeps up the momentum he has found at Swansea.

 

You then have many a young CM coming through, JWP is in that list, he reminds me of Wilshere, Tom Carroll, Barkley, sure there is a few more that I havn't thought of. I definately disagree that CM is an area of weakness.

 

Its upfront or CB really. Welbeck and Sturridge are good options, except everyone dismisses them (Welbeck has 6 in 7 games I think). Carroll isnt that bad, J Rod maybe but at youth level we struggle. Kane is the only one that really impresses me.

 

As for Saints itll be interesting moving forward, now we play a similar formation to England and potentially have 3-4 players to puck from we move into the category selectors and coaches look at to pick players. And that is because you need players used to each other etc.

 

Shaw has Baines and Cole ahead of him, Clynes job is arguably harder as Walker is better and almost the same age and Johnson is, despite ignorance again, a decent player (I suggest you watch him or even look at stats, also Eng player of tourny at Euros)

 

I agree the two likely call ups are Lambert or Cork, I honestly think Cork offers something, similarish player to Carrick in the fact he intercepts and dictates from deep. Also would release Gerrard to get involved further up as he was clearly our best midfielder/player Wednesday though was curtailed by marshalling a defence behind two forward thinking CMs.

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I appreciate this will be received with a certain amount of scepticism, but ho hum, it is an interesting story and I've got no interest in being a "look at me" poster, or history of being one.......stood in my local watching the Man City/Newc game, next to clearly a Newcastle fan, around 55-65yo mark, and I started having a conversation with him about the game and so on. I've got a saints tee shirt on, plain red, with the badge so he knows who I support. He says he was at the Real Sociedad game last weekend, so I said that's a strange game for you to pick, what took you down there, and he said he was a West Brom scout. Fair enough, we talked some more football, got onto Rickie for England and he said he'd talked to Hodgson recently at a game he was scouting where Hodgson spoke very highly about Rickie in the England squad and also very highly about Luke Shaw - the guy was convinced both would be in the next England squad.

 

Make of that what you will, the bloke seemed genuine enough to me and didn't come across as someone out to pull my chain, but what a random Monday night football conversation!

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Good to see. Expect one or two of those players might get a friendly call-up in the next few months.

 

What, so that he can look to give a few provincial club players a go, just so he can look shocked when they actually Play, and Play well, outshining the rest?

 

Was it just me, but when SRL scored , the look on Woy's face wasn't one of eleation, it was more a look of, '****! I gave the bloody old bastard from Saints a go, so the press and pundits would leave me alone for not picking the highest scoring Englishman in the Prem last season, and he's gone a scored a goal. The winner by all accounts. And almost scored two more. That wasn't in the script. He was supposed to fail. Damn, what do I do now? I Know, tell them that no one gets a place automatically, then I can quietly not pick him again. Of course, i'll have to explain to Rooney, Gerrard and the others that I don't mena them.........'

 

Don't forget. Rickie had the audacity to show up Rooney, on National Television, and dominated the Press the following day.

 

I would dearly love to see tyhem play. and as for they're not quite good enough, give them the shirt and watch them BE good enough. I would much rather watch them try, and fail, than watch the current crop just go through the motions.

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I appreciate this will be received with a certain amount of scepticism, but ho hum, it is an interesting story and I've got no interest in being a "look at me" poster, or history of being one.......stood in my local watching the Man City/Newc game, next to clearly a Newcastle fan, around 55-65yo mark, and I started having a conversation with him about the game and so on. I've got a saints tee shirt on, plain red, with the badge so he knows who I support. He says he was at the Real Sociedad game last weekend, so I said that's a strange game for you to pick, what took you down there, and he said he was a West Brom scout. Fair enough, we talked some more football, got onto Rickie for England and he said he'd talked to Hodgson recently at a game he was scouting where Hodgson spoke very highly about Rickie in the England squad and also very highly about Luke Shaw - the guy was convinced both would be in the next England squad.

 

Make of that what you will, the bloke seemed genuine enough to me and didn't come across as someone out to pull my chain, but what a random Monday night football conversation!

 

Cheers for sharing that vince - appreciated - interesting times indeed :)

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What, so that he can look to give a few provincial club players a go, just so he can look shocked when they actually Play, and Play well, outshining the rest?

 

Was it just me, but when SRL scored , the look on Woy's face wasn't one of eleation, it was more a look of, '****! I gave the bloody old bastard from Saints a go, so the press and pundits would leave me alone for not picking the highest scoring Englishman in the Prem last season, and he's gone a scored a goal. The winner by all accounts. And almost scored two more. That wasn't in the script. He was supposed to fail. Damn, what do I do now? I Know, tell them that no one gets a place automatically, then I can quietly not pick him again. Of course, i'll have to explain to Rooney, Gerrard and the others that I don't mena them.........'

 

Don't forget. Rickie had the audacity to show up Rooney, on National Television, and dominated the Press the following day.

 

I would dearly love to see tyhem play. and as for they're not quite good enough, give them the shirt and watch them BE good enough. I would much rather watch them try, and fail, than watch the current crop just go through the motions.

 

Good post.

 

We won't get any more players into the squad. After all, our best play every game, seems that a pre-requisite for England is anyone who isn't Gerrard can only get picked if they warm the bench regularly...

 

 

Hmm maybe Cork does have a chance then.

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What, so that he can look to give a few provincial club players a go, just so he can look shocked when they actually Play, and Play well, outshining the rest?

 

Was it just me, but when SRL scored , the look on Woy's face wasn't one of eleation, it was more a look of, '****! I gave the bloody old bastard from Saints a go, so the press and pundits would leave me alone for not picking the highest scoring Englishman in the Prem last season, and he's gone a scored a goal. The winner by all accounts. And almost scored two more. That wasn't in the script. He was supposed to fail. Damn, what do I do now? I Know, tell them that no one gets a place automatically, then I can quietly not pick him again. Of course, i'll have to explain to Rooney, Gerrard and the others that I don't mena them.........'

 

Don't forget. Rickie had the audacity to show up Rooney, on National Television, and dominated the Press the following day.

 

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Classic M-boarding. Forum gold.

 

Getting furious about an imagined internal monologue of the England manager based on a five second shot of his face on TV. Brilliant.

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Classic M-boarding. Forum gold.

 

Getting furious about an imagined internal monologue of the England manager based on a five second shot of his face on TV. Brilliant.

 

Thanks, I do try. And didn't I base it on a look, not an internal monologue.

 

Isn't that classic Mong Boarding, instead? You know, taking what someone has written, changing the facts,context,and tone and then warping it so that you can use it as a dig at someone.

 

As I am refering to the use of Micro-expressions, as defined by Paul Ekman and not the act of Mind Reading, as defined by Richard Bandler, (and has nothing to do with ESP), how can it be imagined.

 

So easy to destroy, so difficlut to create.

 

I have on my face, the look of love. And it's to you.

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As before, Gerrard and Lampard aren't and never have been central midfielders.

 

Carrick is great but not always fit, likewise Wilshere. You ideally need 4 CMs at least at a tournament, yet last time we had an unfit Parker and Henderson! Rodwell is alright but again, usually injured, Cleverly i'm not sure about, but even with those 2, that's only 4 so there's a chance for someone. Really don't rate Shelvey. Cork is more Parker than Carrick I think, but will Cork play enough for us?

 

Probably someone else I'm forgetting.

 

Gerrard started of as more of a disciplined CM, I remember him having some very very good displays there when he was younger for both England and Liverpool but was then changed by different liverpool managers into the free role player that he is now. I can certainly understand where the frustration comes from watching him in a liverpool shirt but I think that they are happy to take that risk because of what he brings to the team. Also it wasnt so much a risk when they had Lucas and Xabi behind him !!

 

Lampard was never really a CM and has probably grown into that role as he has got older but I agree is still not really a proper CM.

 

I think at the moment Gerrard and Lampard are still able to play there in some degree, for me at least Gerrard looked good enough staying deeper and Lampard looked ok when he replaced Cleverley.

 

Englands going to play 3 midfielders anyway so yeah I would suggest that Cork has a chance if he gets playing time of which I hope he will with rotation.

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Thanks, I do try. And didn't I base it on a look, not an internal monologue.

 

Isn't that classic Mong Boarding, instead? You know, taking what someone has written, changing the facts,context,and tone and then warping it so that you can use it as a dig at someone.

 

As I am refering to the use of Micro-expressions, as defined by Paul Ekman and not the act of Mind Reading, as defined by Richard Bandler, (and has nothing to do with ESP), how can it be imagined.

 

So easy to destroy, so difficlut to create.

 

I have on my face, the look of love. And it's to you.

 

In your post you wrote an internal monologue.

 

Classic M-board denial.

 

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I've always liked Lampard and he has adapted to the CM role with age far more than Gerrard, although he's still best further forward. Lampard has more patience, he's happy to make the simple pass to keep possession, I've not seen that with Gerrard. I don't agree he's had good games at CM. He's had games that impress fans of maximum effort football definitely, but it just leaves huge gaps and people wondering why we never have the ball.

 

If it is 3 in midfield then Carrick/Wilshere/Lampard would be good, allowing Lampard further forward, or Wilshere. But it still seems to lack a strong DM. Needs a Wanyama type really, doesn't seem to have been one for ages.

 

I dont think we will ever agree on the Gerrard/lampard thing TBH. Personally Id have him in the side over Lampard but then I am happy for a player to take risks and attempt things, yes they are frustrating when they dont come off but the rewards we have seen when they work are incredible. He is more mobile and better all round then Lampard, perhaps he isnt as disciplined as such but most of that I think stems from the fact that Gerrard does work harder.

 

Im not sure all his plaudits come from maximum effort, he keeps possession well enough when he wants to, agsinst certain opposition you need to take risks. As for Lampard he is more concerned breaking into the box then actually playing that disciplined. In that respect he wouldnt have marshalled like Gerrard on Wednesday.

 

As per the DM thing I do agree, we have nobody really that wants to sit and break up, plenty that will sit and support. I think Cork is more Carrick though, he sits and intercepts for Saints and stifles but he is generally the ball player where as Morgan is the all action DM (not saying he cant pass). Which is why WanyamaI think is going to replace Cork more often as he is dynamic, strong and a destroyer.

 

Cork could play for England, if Carrick is injured etc, but I think that he will need more support from the other CMs, Gerrard will be one IMO and Wilshere but he will have to work harder.

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In your post you wrote an internal monologue.

 

Classic M-board denial.

 

Happy to help.

 

The LOOK on his face was....... not he THOUGHT to himself.

 

Example: He looks shocked. We determine he's shocked based on his demenour and facial cursers

 

'I'm shocked', he thought. Internal monologue determining he is shocked.

 

Classic change the fact to suit the argument.

 

Even happier to help.

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The LOOK on his face was....... not he THOUGHT to himself.

 

Example: He looks shocked. We determine he's shocked based on his demenour and facial cursers

 

'I'm shocked', he thought. Internal monologue determining he is shocked.

 

Classic change the fact to suit the argument.

 

Even happier to help.

 

You wrote an internal monologue in that post. End of argument. What you BASED it on is neither here nor there, I don't care.

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