bjk Posted 10 August, 2013 Share Posted 10 August, 2013 Clyne is back in training this week and should be fine for saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 August, 2013 Share Posted 10 August, 2013 I'd be tempted to throw Clyne in at LB and keep Chambers at RB. Although you can't be sure how fit Clyne actually is...he hasn't trained/played a game for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 August, 2013 Share Posted 10 August, 2013 (edited) Although you can't be sure how fit Clyne actually is...he hasn't trained/played a game for weeks. He was in training on 8th August, as this video shows... Edited 10 August, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 10 August, 2013 Share Posted 10 August, 2013 Matt Targett will step up to the plate imo, no need to get a new one Agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 10 August, 2013 Share Posted 10 August, 2013 Huge blow if he is out for weeks/months. Was really hoping we'd have a good start to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Yeah, because we all saw this injury coming...why couldn't they see it? FFS. It was so obvious that he was going to get ligament damage. Not obvious but that fact that Shaw was injured a lot last time out should of indicated (to the professional coach / setup) he could carry in like that, no point in getting tetchy mate, anyone that thinks their squad will stay injury free is mental, and not having back up any better than Fox at this level is shooting yourself in the foot (IMO of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Just better than fox, can't be that hard. Really we only need a loan if the ligament isn't too 'bad' This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 I'd be tempted to throw Clyne in at LB and keep Chambers at RB. Although you can't be sure how fit Clyne actually is...he hasn't trained/played a game for weeks. Chambers is not ready for a start yet. He was OK yesterday but his awareness of opposition players and his positioning was poor. Plus we had nothing going forward down the right in the first half. He will get better with experience though. If Clyne is not fit, Cork gives the team better balance at RB. Personally I'd start with either Fox or Yoshida at LB. Fox isn't as bad as people make out, and will benefit from Wanyama just in front of the defence. Wanyama was excellent yesterday as was JRod. Can't wait until next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 I'm not a Fox fan at all, but I'd rather have a left back at left back. If the club thought Fox was not adequate cover they would have shipped Fox out by now. We will not sign a replacement. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 I'm not a Fox fan at all, but I'd rather have a left back at left back. If the club thought Fox was not adequate cover they would have shipped Fox out by now. We will not sign a replacement. Thank you. I agree with you but our balance is lost with fox both on an attacking and defensive sense. Our centre backs are so much more exposed and we lack penetration without the runs to the byline from Shaw. Huge loss. Shaw as much as cork changed our season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 What about Alderwied from Ajax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 What about Alderwied from Ajax? As an understudy to Shaw? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 I'm not a Fox fan at all, but I'd rather have a left back at left back. If the club thought Fox was not adequate cover they would have shipped Fox out by now. We will not sign a replacement. Thank you. Good post. The centre backs know their game is different when fox plays so they cover well for him when he is on one of his attacking runs. I thought that was the whole point in buying Wanyama. When the centre backs get pulled wide, he drops back to fill the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Its a shame that Fox has become the whipping boy for a lot of fans, most of whom aren't really in a position to make a judgement. The club coaches clearly think he os worth a place in the squad, and he didn't get into the Scotland team by being an awful player. Unfortunately, football supporters of any club tend to pick on one player and here it is currently, Fox. If he wasn't here it would be someone else. He is the accepted understudy LB, so if Shaw as the first choice can't play then it must be Fox. Why else would the club pay his wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Good post. The centre backs know their game is different when fox plays so they cover well for him when he is on one of his attacking runs. I thought that was the whole point in buying Wanyama. When the centre backs get pulled wide, he drops back to fill the gap. Lets hope so as we will have to put up with fox for a few weeks I think. Fox was involved in a good move that I think led to one of the goals yesterday. But I have no confidence in his positioning at all when defending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Sorry but anyone who thinks fox is adequate back up needs there head seeing to. All those who witnessed the WBA massacre at st Mary's will back me up on this. WBA weren't world beaters but in lukaku they used his pace to expose hooiveld and fox. Opposition managers will place focus on exploiting this obvious weakness. If fox and hooiveld play on sat then god help us. Without clyne and shaw we will struggle. Chambers still finding his feet at 1st team level. I was confident of away win but with shaw seemingly out injured that confidence has diminished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Sorry but anyone who thinks fox is adequate back up needs there head seeing to. All those who witnessed the WBA massacre at st Mary's will back me up on this. WBA weren't world beaters but in lukaku they used his pace to expose hooiveld and fox. Opposition managers will place focus on exploiting this obvious weakness. If fox and hooiveld play on sat then god help us. Without clyne and shaw we will struggle. Chambers still finding his feet at 1st team level. I was confident of away win but with shaw seemingly out injured that confidence has diminished. I am slightly concerned that hooiveld will be starting though given he started yesterday. If yoshida plays I might feel a bit more comfortable about getting a result. Reckon clyne will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Sorry but anyone who thinks fox is adequate back up needs there head seeing to. All those who witnessed the WBA massacre at st Mary's will back me up on this. WBA weren't world beaters but in lukaku they used his pace to expose hooiveld and fox. Opposition managers will place focus on exploiting this obvious weakness. If fox and hooiveld play on sat then god help us. Without clyne and shaw we will struggle. Chambers still finding his feet at 1st team level. I was confident of away win but with shaw seemingly out injured that confidence has diminished. Yes, but you can't expect to have someone as good as Shaw who is just prepared to sit on the bench. Who ever replaces him will be weaker and it's up to the team and coach to accommodate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 I don't think Luke shaw is badly injured . I have just seen the highlights .the free ones , he walked off he had a bit of a limp and was supported by two physics trainers . But he was weight bearing on both legs going up the tunnel . If it was that serious then he would have been stretchered off . If I was a betting man he could be back in two weeks if not sooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downthe36 Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 I don't think Luke shaw is badly injured . I have just seen the highlights .the free ones , he walked off he had a bit of a limp and was supported by two physics trainers . But he was weight bearing on both legs going up the tunnel . If it was that serious then he would have been stretchered off . If I was a betting man he could be back in two weeks if not sooner Doesn't mean anything, Lallana walked off the pitch without a pronounced limp and was out for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Sorry but anyone who thinks fox is adequate back up needs there head seeing to. All those who witnessed the WBA massacre at st Mary's will back me up on this. WBA weren't world beaters but in lukaku they used his pace to expose hooiveld and fox. Opposition managers will place focus on exploiting this obvious weakness. If fox and hooiveld play on sat then god help us. Without clyne and shaw we will struggle. Chambers still finding his feet at 1st team level. I was confident of away win but with shaw seemingly out injured that confidence has diminished. I agree and it wasn't only WBA who exposed Fox. Think back to Match of the Day last season when Hansen drew those bloody huge great squares exposing the space Fox left on his side of the pitch. From what I saw yesterday, positionally, he hasn't learnt at all about positional play when defending. Still he is a great dead ball crosser so that makes it alright for some ! Sorry but I dont't subscribe to this "he isn't as bad as some people say" mantra. He was exposed in the Championship for goodness sake. He has not got any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 I have said all along we need a utility back, pay the money as its well worth it,competition in all places, Fox has to be in all honesty the luckiest ****test footballer ever known in the top flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 and he didn't get into the Scotland team by being an awful player. Quite right, in fact he didn't get into the Scotland team at all, not even into the 29-man squad named by WGS. That really does show to me the level of his ability. Scotland have a complete dearth of talent these days, and yet Danny is not even considered good enough to make the preliminary squad. His defending is awful, primarily his positional sense, and as a result he pulls his partners in defence out of position, which usually exposes Hooiveld who is not the greatest or Yoshida. Usually when playing alongside a 17/18 year old both look capable, if not outstanding. People seem to have this idea that just because you don't think a player is good enough that you can ship him out, completely naive view of those who play FM or the like. Fox will be quite a high earner and there is no-one going to take him off our hands who could afford his wages, so we are a bit stuck with him. Hopefully Clyne will be fit for Saturday, if so I would rather see Clyne play LB (where he has proved he is as good as he is at RB) and play Cork or Chambers on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Danny Fox is the worst player by a long long way I have ever seen at this club who has stayed for a period of time, how he has stayed is beyond me, he is ****ing useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 If we have Fox at left back then we will surely give away quite a few goal-scoring chances each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 Fox increases our chances of losing by at least 25% I reckon. He totally kills Ponch's tactical plan. There's no point trying to press back the opposition if they've got an easy out ball to the right wing any time they feel like it. If Fox plays against a counter attack team like WBA, we lose. Check last season for more details! I feel like he played both games against WBA? Steve Clarke will be pissing himself lolling if Fox plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 11 August, 2013 Share Posted 11 August, 2013 fricken double post yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 Shaw just tweeted a thumbs up and smiley face. No idea if to do with scan or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 Luke has just tweeted this.... message for the fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 Luke has just tweeted this.... message for the fans? Probably still out for a couple of weeks though, but I guess that's better than a few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 Danny Fox is the worst player by a long long way I have ever seen at this club who has stayed for a period of time, how he has stayed is beyond me, he is ****ing useless. What a retarded post. He had a great season at the level when he was signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 Sure it is, well that's good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but it all seems a bit convenient this... if i didn't know better i might suggest that there is an actual plan to prevent Luke from playing for the U-21's while the club think he is still growing etc. So they've perhaps agreed with him that he won't play for the U-21's and will get 'injured' before any call-up, maybe even been incentivised (compensated?) accordingly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 Luke has just tweeted this.... message for the fans? Maybe he's happy that he's just been granted 6 months sick leave on full pay...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but it all seems a bit convenient this... if i didn't know better i might suggest that there is an actual plan to prevent Luke from playing for the U-21's while the club think he is still growing etc. So they've perhaps agreed with him that he won't play for the U-21's and will get 'injured' before any call-up, maybe even been incentivised (compensated?) accordingly... I take it you weren't at Saturday's game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but it all seems a bit convenient this... if i didn't know better i might suggest that there is an actual plan to prevent Luke from playing for the U-21's while the club think he is still growing etc. So they've perhaps agreed with him that he won't play for the U-21's and will get 'injured' before any call-up, maybe even been incentivised (compensated?) accordingly... Minty I thought exactly the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but it all seems a bit convenient this... if i didn't know better i might suggest that there is an actual plan to prevent Luke from playing for the U-21's while the club think he is still growing etc. So they've perhaps agreed with him that he won't play for the U-21's and will get 'injured' before any call-up, maybe even been incentivised (compensated?) accordingly... Shaw and the Real Sociedad player are very good actors then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 Shaw and the Real Sociedad player are very good actors then. Best not go down that route or this thread will end up in the lounge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 Nowt to do with the Societal player... But Shaw just had to pick a tackle and then make the most of it. Look, it's not a serious suggestion, but I'm just saying that the thought did cross my mind and put it out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 If we going to get anyone to drop out then Im suprised we didnt tell Japan that Maya was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 I'm not a Fox fan at all, but I'd rather have a left back at left back. If the club thought Fox was not adequate cover they would have shipped Fox out by now. We will not sign a replacement. Thank you. I agree and this is why I have no faith in the transfer committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 I surprised we haven't had the Clyne at Left back Maya at Right back (thought he had a great game there at Stoke) Jos and Lovren. Jos is fine as long as he doesn't get too clever, he drove Suarez to foul him into substitution at our place last season because the little toad wasn't getting anything off him: not that it did him any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 What a retarded post. He had a great season at the level when he was signed. Agreed, stupid post. Unless he has only been following Saints since Aug 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 I surprised we haven't had the Clyne at Left back Maya at Right back (thought he had a great game there at Stoke) Jos and Lovren. Jos is fine as long as he doesn't get too clever, he drove Suarez to foul him into substitution at our place last season because the little toad wasn't getting anything off him: not that it did him any good. Or even Cork at RB. Looks like he's not quite first choice for his old slot any more so CDAJFU there maybe. Question is whether Clyne is fit, he looked very comfortable at LB last season when asked. But this is all what WE think. Pretty sure the manager thinks Fox is first choice backup, saw enough of that last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 August, 2013 Share Posted 12 August, 2013 I think it's great that Fox is still at the club and short term cover for Shaw. It means that our #mavericksambaassassin gets an easy ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 13 August, 2013 Share Posted 13 August, 2013 Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport 51s Spoken to a few people close to #saintsfc camp about Luke Shaw injury & general consensus seems to be 'not as bad as first thought' #hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbendy Posted 13 August, 2013 Share Posted 13 August, 2013 Just now on Twitter from Adam Blackmore: Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport Spoken to a few people close to #saintsfc camp about Luke Shaw injury & general consensus seems to be 'not as bad as first thought' #hope This combined with Shaw's tweet give me hope... I always feel nervous with Fox in the team and my nerves usually prove well founded when we concede. It's not only his direct deficiencies - the defence as a whole suffers because he is so often out 'roughly' of position and 'somewhat' slow to close down. It means that he initially appears like he might do the job, but then fails and does an irritating little skip (has anyone else noticed this?). Someone has to sprint out and try and cover which leaves a gaping hole. It's a different matter when a full-back is right up the wing - then it's obvious that someone needs to cover. Anyway - hopefully Shaw will be back before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastón10 Posted 13 August, 2013 Share Posted 13 August, 2013 When he left the stadium, his leg was a a brace, and he was using crutches, but that didn't help him much. Had serious trouble walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 August, 2013 Share Posted 13 August, 2013 When he left the stadium, his leg was a a brace, and he was using crutches, but that didn't help him much. Had serious trouble walking. I'd struggle to walk with a brace on and using crutches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 13 August, 2013 Share Posted 13 August, 2013 Its a shame that Fox has become the whipping boy for a lot of fans, most of whom aren't really in a position to make a judgement. The club coaches clearly think he os worth a place in the squad, and he didn't get into the Scotland team by being an awful player. Unfortunately, football supporters of any club tend to pick on one player and here it is currently, Fox. If he wasn't here it would be someone else. He is the accepted understudy LB, so if Shaw as the first choice can't play then it must be Fox. Why else would the club pay his wages? What a crock of ****. To get in to the Scotland team you pretty much need to be a) a professional footballer b) Scottish. Attributes don't matter as their team is so crap. To say that Fox is merely an unfairly appointed whipping boy is pure ignorance, his performances even when we were in the Championship have been clearly not good enough for a LB. He'd be fine as a winger as he clearly likes to attack and always look for the "hollywood pass" but his positional play and defensive sense as a LB are far short of decent enough for the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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