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As it stands, do we have a better midfield than Utd?

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Barry Sanchez

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They make me laugh so much, like when you were a kid and you want it to snow to pray and hope and pray and hope, this does not make it any more likely it will snow, much like the "people" we have on here.

They are not unique to this football club but by Christ we probably have a far higher ratio of delusionals than any other club of our size.

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perhaps they should sack their manager eh, fwiw Utd's midfield was worse than woeful today, non-existent woeful.

 

I said in the first half that Fellaini isnt a Utd type player, I dont think SAF would ever have signed him, they shoukd have gone all out and got Baines, not Fellaini.

 

Moyes has always been slow in the transfer market and his hand was sort of forced I think.

 

Carrick was very isolated in midfield at times, Fellaini not existant from and attacking or defensive sense and they lacked energy really.

 

Rio is starting to look past it aswell but dont take anything away from city who were excellent.

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I said in the first half that Fellaini isnt a Utd type player, I dont think SAF would ever have signed him, they shoukd have gone all out and got Baines, not Fellaini.

 

Moyes has always been slow in the transfer market and his hand was sort of forced I think.

 

Carrick was very isolated in midfield at times, Fellaini not existant from and attacking or defensive sense and they lacked energy really.

 

Rio is starting to look past it aswell but dont take anything away from city who were excellent.

 

Canal + commentators said Utd's recruitment team didn't want to sign him but Moyes insisted to an extreme level so if it doesn't work out he'll be for the chop sooner rather than later. Seeing as itwas Desailly he probably got it from Evra so it's probably about right.

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Canal + commentators said Utd's recruitment team didn't want to sign him but Moyes insisted to an extreme level so if it doesn't work out he'll be for the chop sooner rather than later. Seeing as itwas Desailly he probably got it from Evra so it's probably about right.

 

I think its hilarious that they were scrambling around on deadline day for a player they could have paid £4m less for in July.

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SaintBobby

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Not sure you can play Carrick and Fellaini in the same team?

 

Big panic buy but I reckon Moyes will get two full seasons before they even look at anybody else.

 

Nah. They would panic may before May 2015 if things were going off the rails.

 

I think he has to get them CL football this season or he's in real trouble.

 

In their games against their rivals at the top, they have so far been woeful.

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It always astounds me the number of saints fans that underestimate us. The Liverpool pre match comments are the latest in an incredibly long list of examples. I honestly felt we had the beating of them all day long. Our first 11 is stronger than a lot of people give it credit for, and that will be shown in a fair few games this season. We just need to learn how to beat teams that don't try and play football.... i.e. west ham, and sunderland at home, and norwich away.... we have an issue breaking down teams who sit back and hit direct passes up field. You can't press teams that can't pass in the first instance!

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It always astounds me the number of saints fans that underestimate us. The Liverpool pre match comments are the latest in an incredibly long list of examples. I honestly felt we had the beating of them all day long. Our first 11 is stronger than a lot of people give it credit for, and that will be shown in a fair few games this season. We just need to learn how to beat teams that don't try and play football.... i.e. west ham, and sunderland at home, and norwich away.... we have an issue breaking down teams who sit back and hit direct passes up field. You can't press teams that can't pass in the first instance!

 

Although I do agree with the point that we are a decent outfit, you can't just go through the season beating the odd top side and drawing against sh!t average ones. It's always harder when you're the team that everyone raises their game for which is why you have to take your hat off to Fergie for the last 20 odd years. It's easier to score against a side where there are a lot of gaps, but it's difficult when teams come and park 11 men behind the ball. It's something we need to work on.

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about as seriously as knobbers like you.

 

Ahhh bless.

 

The biting wit. The incisive pun. The brilliant sarcasm.

 

What a total dribbling moron you truly are.

 

At least you seem to have stopped starting your own threads with almost exactly the same title as those already being discussed.

 

Took some time to beat that out of you, though.

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It always astounds me the number of saints fans that underestimate us. The Liverpool pre match comments are the latest in an incredibly long list of examples. I honestly felt we had the beating of them all day long. Our first 11 is stronger than a lot of people give it credit for, and that will be shown in a fair few games this season. We just need to learn how to beat teams that don't try and play football.... i.e. west ham, and sunderland at home, and norwich away.... we have an issue breaking down teams who sit back and hit direct passes up field. You can't press teams that can't pass in the first instance!

 

We'd have lost at Anfield if Coutinho (and Sturridge, even though he played) had been fit though. You're right about not being able to break down bus-parkers though.

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Although I do agree with the point that we are a decent outfit, you can't just go through the season beating the odd top side and drawing against sh!t average ones. It's always harder when you're the team that everyone raises their game for which is why you have to take your hat off to Fergie for the last 20 odd years. It's easier to score against a side where there are a lot of gaps, but it's difficult when teams come and park 11 men behind the ball. It's something we need to work on.

 

So essentially we agree. I think on our day, this team and poch's tactics is capable of beating any football side. We have the luxury at the moment that everyone underestimates us i.e. liverpool fans expecting a 3-0 or 4-0 score, and only one draw being predicted (no defeats by their fans pre-match... They also all believe that they had an off day and don't grasp that just like at sms it was our tactics that forced those mistakes (just like city and just like chelsea last season.

 

We are the only team playing this style in the premier and until these teams get used to us we are going to pick points up at these grounds. At the moment, and after this weeks fixtures, i also think that united away is there for the taking! (i won't be disappointing with a defeat provided it is a valiant one, I will not tolerate a **** poor performance however!).

 

But Like i said, and as you concur, we have an issue with our attack at the moment. We struggle to break bus parkers down. I think Johny Depp is starting to show signs of acclimatizing, Its refreshing to have a player who is capable and who looks to turn his man and get a shot off, and i think he has the skill to be very very good. Hopefully he will achieve this!

 

We'd have lost at Anfield if Coutinho (and Sturridge, even though he played) had been fit though. You're right about not being able to break down bus-parkers though.

 

I don't know how you can say that for sure? and I don't agree. I think a draw wold be the more likely outcome, both teams had further opportunities, notably us with mignolets treble save and ossi shot that was again saved and lallana getting through 1 on 1. Ultimately we got stronger as the second half went on and it was noticeable that Liverpool were the team that tired. When we become more effective on the attack we will pose a serious question to any team. As it is, we have somehow become set piece experts to make up for stokes demise.

 

Eitherway, I feel more confident of us getting a win at liverpool, chelsea, man utd away than i did at beating west ham or sunderland at home.

 

It was the same last year, beat city, beat chelsea, beat liverpool footballing passing sides) and lose to qpr and strugle with sunderland and stoke.

 

Give poch a passing side to beat and he can do it, what the team needs now, is an effective way to beat direct and defensive sides, if we develop that and remain injury free then we will have a very very good season.

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We'd have lost at Anfield if Coutinho (and Sturridge, even though he played) had been fit though. You're right about not being able to break down bus-parkers though.

 

And you might as well add Suarez and Johnson to the list of players that had they been playing, would have beaten us hands down. But as all of them were playing against us when we were the last team to beat them, (admittedly when they played us away), there is absolutely no foundation to your claim that they would have beaten us had Coutinho played.

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And you might as well add Suarez and Johnson to the list of players that had they been playing, would have beaten us hands down. But as all of them were playing against us when we were the last team to beat them, (admittedly when they played us away), there is absolutely no foundation to your claim that they would have beaten us had Coutinho played.

 

Cliche as it is, you can only beat what's infront of you.

 

If you start re-writing history, it can get very silly very quickly.

 

We'd have beat WBA 2-0 if Lallana's goal hadn't been offside, Norwich if we got that penalty we might have won (or at least drawn), if Osvaldo didn't hit it straight at Jussi or Rickie hit the post we'd have beat WHAM and be top of the league etc etc etc.

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Cliche as it is, you can only beat what's infront of you.

 

If you start re-writing history, it can get very silly very quickly.

 

We'd have beat WBA 2-0 if Lallana's goal hadn't been offside, Norwich if we got that penalty we might have won (or at least drawn), if Osvaldo didn't hit it straight at Jussi or Rickie hit the post we'd have beat WHAM and be top of the league etc etc etc.

 

Who's rewriting history? The 9 saying that we would have lost to them had Coutinho played is nonsense and I was merely pointing out that when we last beat them, Coutinho, Suarez, Sturridge and Johnson all played, so presumably they were stronger then with those players. Who knows, had he played, Coutinho might have scored an own goal, been sent off, anything is possible that might change the course of a match either way.

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Who's rewriting history? The 9 saying that we would have lost to them had Coutinho played is nonsense and I was merely pointing out that when we last beat them, Coutinho, Suarez, Sturridge and Johnson all played, so presumably they were stronger then with those players. Who knows, had he played, Coutinho might have scored an own goal, been sent off, anything is possible that might change the course of a match either way.

 

I was agreeing with you.

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I was agreeing with you.

 

Oh, thanks. There was a Liverpool forum I posted on yesterday which claimed that amongst other reasons why they hadn't beaten us, the absence of Countinho and Suarez was a factor. Other Liverpool fans have suggested that Johnson would have caused us problems out wide. So I had pointed out that all of those players had been in the team beaten by us last time out and asked what was their excuse then? I think I read somewhere the suggestion by one of us that it was because Lucas wasn't playing that day, although I see that he came on for them at half-time for Allen.

 

But as you say, you can only play what's in front of you and they have to consider themselves lucky that Fox was unavailable to torment them down their right flank. ;)

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Redcafe forum is worth a read this evening :)

 

this came from there

 

Terribly uninteresting game to be honest - we didn't play with any real intensity or drive, and Southampton didn't really put us under much pressure. If you're going to not concentrate when defending you can't really complain if you're stung like that after attempting to close up shop.

 

God knows what game that fella was watching since i thought it was a cracking end to end game, with both sides having a fair few chances and we could easily have one it in my opinion.

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fellaini was utter gash and got mugged totally by morgan

that tackle from morgan on welbeck was everything their defensive midfielders dont have

 

that was a goal in its own right.

 

saying that, if welbeck had half a football brain, he would have passed it across to rooney with his first touch

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The Kraken

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Difficult to say. As Glasgow says United have had a terrible season but they're still 7 points above us. So their midfield isn't as utterly sh*t as some dimwits make out. Although I have to say I'm massively disappointed with Cleverley, he looked a decent prospect 1 or 2 seasons ago but looks like a real plodder this season.

 

My joint team: De Gea; Clyne, Lovren, Vidic, Shaw; Januzaj, Carrick, Schneiderlin, Lallana; Rooney, RvP. And we play 4-4-f*cking-2.

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