As it stands, do we have a better midfield than Utd?

[JoeShmoe]

I think JWP needs to bulk up a bit. He is still young so has some growing to do but for me he has to get in the gym and get physically stronger. If and when he does that and retains his energy he's definitely got the potential to be very good

[Wes Tender]

Wes, do you think Manchester United's midfield is weaker than our's? It as simple as that.

Pay attention Barry. It isn't about which midfield is better. It is about the central midfield. Other people have argued that if the wide players are included, United has the edge, which I agree with. Or did you not consider that a midfield might include those wide players?

 

I do consider our central midfield to be better than theirs.

[Barry Sanchez]

Pay attention Barry. It isn't about which midfield is better. It is about the central midfield. Other people have argued that if the wide players are included, United has the edge, which I agree with. Or did you not consider that a midfield might include those wide players?

 

I do consider our central midfield to be better than theirs.

 

Ok I do not consider our central midfield to be superior.

 

Carrick is an all round far better athlete than Cork and he has played at the highest levels for years, he also has a fantastic range of passing in his locker.

 

 

Anderson has to prove himself this year as Wanyama will to, I have faith in Ferguson as opposed to Anderson.

 

Cleverley is a young player learning his craft and I would expect more from him this year but his skill level is above all the mentioned midfielders I have stated.

 

3 for 3 I would have Uniteds.

Edited 9 August, 2013 by Barry Sanchez

[Wes Tender]

Cleverley is a young player learning his craft and I would expect more from him this year but his skill level is above all the mentioned midfielders I have stated.

 

 

Oh my Lord! You're a great comedian, Barry, I'll give you that.

 

And the comparison in the OP wasn't Carrick against Cork. It was Carrick against Schneiderlin, who you somehow fail to overlook in your comparisons. Do pay attention.

[Saint_clark]

and no one is saying he is one of the best players ever, but he's certainly not sh*t like some have said and has been one of the top 5 or 6 midfielders to have played in this country in the last decade.

 

Well I certainly think he's one of the best English midfielders of all time.

[Barry Sanchez]

Oh my Lord! You're a great comedian, Barry, I'll give you that.

 

And the comparison in the OP wasn't Carrick against Cork. It was Carrick against Schneiderlin, who you somehow fail to overlook in your comparisons. Do pay attention.

 

Is it player v player of a midfield comparison?

 

Carrick against Schneiderlin is the same.

 

Cork or Cleverley? Cleverley

 

Wanyama or Anderson? It would be a gues as I have not seen enough of Wanyama too be honest.

 

There we go, in my humble opinion I have given my reasons and answers, you appear to have blindly stated our central midfield is better than Manchester United's.

[Turkish]

Well I certainly think he's one of the best English midfielders of all time.

 

Fair enough. I wouldn't go that far personally. In this generation id say Gerrard and Scholes were better, in my lifetime I'd put Gasgoine, Robson ahead of him too. Is put him as the fifth best in the last 25 years or so, which still makes him an exceptional player.

[Barry Sanchez]

Well I certainly think he's one of the best English midfielders of all time.

 

Sorry who is one of the best English midfielders of all time?

[Turkish]

Well I certainly think he's one of the best English midfielders of all time.

 

Fair enough. I wouldn't go that far personally. In this generation id say Gerrard and Scholes were better, in my lifetime I'd put Gasgoine, Robson ahead of him too. Is put him as the fifth best in the last 25 years or so, which still makes him an exceptional player.

[O_RLY]

So do you think Lampard as he is now at 34 or whatever he is, is still world class and better than anyone we have?

 

Yes he is a world class CM.

[Pastor Patrón]

Morgan's better, Cork isn't and can't really comment on Wanyama.

[Dig Dig]

Morgan ran the midfeld in both games against them last year, as well as against ither big sides as well.

 

Whether or not it's better than Utd, our central Midfield is very strong.

[Wes Tender]

Despite the OP's fears of sarcastic responses, there is little in the way of those so far. Although naturally we will be biased in favour of our midfielders, there is plenty enough support for the position that we have at least as good a midfield as theirs if not better.

[Jimmy_D]

As for the OP, we're not talking club size etc., purely Wanyama, Cork, Morgan versus Carrick, Anderson, Cleverley. It happens to be a time when they're lacking at CM. Their fans have said it for a couple of years, they even brought Scholes back aged 48!

 

On those 3, Saints are ahead. Morgan and Carrick are similar IMO, and both great team players, but Morgan is much younger and worth more. Cork is more disciplined than their others, and Wanyama looks like he might offer something vaguely Essienesque. Good word that.

 

But if/when Utd sign Fellaini they're probably ahead again. Be very surprised if they try to get by without new midfielders.

 

Aye, and Scholes was the first 'new' midfielder they'd (re)signed in years!

 

They have us beat in other areas, but that said, I'd be surprised if we don't take at least a point off of them this season.

[Cabrone]

I think most neutrals would say Utd had an overall stronger midfield but central midfield is very close and may even turn out to be better this season.

 

If they play to their potential we have a wrecking machine central midfield.

[Turkish]

The fact of the matter is though that a lot of our fans are biased and blindly deluded. I'm not having a go at Garrett here but to use him as an example he has openly admitted that he doesn't rate Frank Lampard and suggested he wouldnt get into our side, yet this is a guy who has been one of the best midfielders in a generation and scored over a goal every two games last season from midfield, if that isn't looking at it football with Saints tinted glasses on i dont know waht is.

 

I would wager that a lot of people on here would argue that 5 or 6 Saints players are better than their Man United counterparts in that position. I would bet that some people here would argue that Boruc is better than De Gea, Shaw than Evra, Clyne than Rafal, Cork and Schniderlin than Carrick and Anderson, Lallana than Cleverly and Ramirez than Nani or Valencia. The proof is in the pudding, forget one off games where we give them a run for their money, Manchester United won the league and finished 48 points ahead of us last season, that would not happen if half of our team was better than theirs.

[Pastor Patrón]

The fact of the matter is though that a lot of our fans are biased and blindly deluded. I'm not having a go at Garrett here but to use him as an example he has openly admitted that he doesn't rate Frank Lampard and suggested he wouldnt get into our side, yet this is a guy who has been one of the best midfielders in a generation and scored over a goal every two games last season from midfield, if that isn't looking at it football with Saints tinted glasses on i dont know waht is.

 

I would wager that a lot of people on here would argue that 5 or 6 Saints players are better than their Man United counterparts in that position. I would bet that some people here would argue that Boruc is better than De Gea, Shaw than Evra, Clyne than Rafal, Cork and Schniderlin than Carrick and Anderson, Lallana than Cleverly and Ramirez than Nani or Valencia. The proof is in the pudding, forget one off games where we give them a run for their money, Manchester United won the league and finished 48 points ahead of us last season, that would not happen if half of our team was better than theirs.

 

It's a team game brosef, the team with the best players doesn't necessarily win.

[Turkish]

It's a team game brosef, the team with the best players doesn't necessarily win.

 

they usually do though, as Man United did both times we played last season.

[Pastor Patrón]

they usually do though, as Man United did both times we played last season.

 

But not always, Greece winning the Euros for example and us not winning league 1 or the championship.

[Dig Dig]

The fact of the matter is though that a lot of our fans are biased and blindly deluded. I'm not having a go at Garrett here but to use him as an example he has openly admitted that he doesn't rate Frank Lampard and suggested he wouldnt get into our side, yet this is a guy who has been one of the best midfielders in a generation and scored over a goal every two games last season from midfield, if that isn't looking at it football with Saints tinted glasses on i dont know waht is.

 

I would wager that a lot of people on here would argue that 5 or 6 Saints players are better than their Man United counterparts in that position. I would bet that some people here would argue that Boruc is better than De Gea, Shaw than Evra, Clyne than Rafal, Cork and Schniderlin than Carrick and Anderson, Lallana than Cleverly and Ramirez than Nani or Valencia. The proof is in the pudding, forget one off games where we give them a run for their money, Manchester United won the league and finished 48 points ahead of us last season, that would not happen if half of our team was better than theirs.

 

Can't argue with that but add Rooney, RVP, Vidic and Ferdinand to our team, where do you think we could finish. Their World class players are the reason they are they are streets ahead, not because of the likes of Cleverly and Anderson where us and other teams have better or equal players in certain positions.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I never get why people are so critical of Carrick, he is a top quality player. It's no fluke he has played at the top level for so long, and has featured for England plenty of times (actually pretty shocked it's only 29, when you consider Barry has 53 caps, imo Carrick is a better player). He was also pretty influential for united last season, played a big part in their league success.

 

I'm a huge fan of Morgan, and think he would certainly do a job at Utd, or any club for that matter.

 

I'm not sure who I would say is better, perhaps on form last season Morgan may have just shaved it (stats would perhaps back this up to a certain extent), but Carrick has done it for a prolonged period.

 

Hard to say with Wanyama, as in the Premiership at least, he is a pretty unknown quantity for now.

 

Cork is great, but I'm not too sure how natural a comparison there is with a united player. Fletcher maybe?

 

I think it's fair to say that CM is uniteds weakest position at present, which is why that appears to be their number 1 priority to strengthen (which they are yet to succeed in - Saints aren't the only ones!), and don't think it is as ridiculous as some are trying to make out that other teams may have a stronger CM.

 

I'm not sure ours is necessarily better, but I certainly don't think it is too far off. The reason united finished so far ahead of us is that their defence is massively superior (Yoshi & Fonte vs Rio & Vidic) as is their strike force, I mean they have Chicarito as 3rd choice - not to mention RVP and Rooney.

[saintadjg]

I've never seen what the fuss is all about with Ferdinand.IMO he is probably the most over rated player i've ever seen.For a CB his defending ability is shockingly woeful, Vidic for me is streets ahead of Ferdinandl.Rooney is way over hyped too(not saying he's not a very good player just not the player he's made out to be).Now RVP oh for an RVP in our side.

[Turkish]

I never get why people are so critical of Carrick, he is a top quality player. It's no fluke he has played at the top level for so long, and has featured for England plenty of times (actually pretty shocked it's only 29, when you consider Barry has 53 caps, imo Carrick is a better player). He was also pretty influential for united last season, played a big part in their league success.

 

I'm a huge fan of Morgan, and think he would certainly do a job at Utd, or any club for that matter.

 

I'm not sure who I would say is better, perhaps on form last season Morgan may have just shaved it (stats would perhaps back this up to a certain extent), but Carrick has done it for a prolonged period.

 

Hard to say with Wanyama, as in the Premiership at least, he is a pretty unknown quantity for now.

 

Cork is great, but I'm not too sure how natural a comparison there is with a united player. Fletcher maybe?

 

I think it's fair to say that CM is uniteds weakest position at present, which is why that appears to be their number 1 priority to strengthen (which they are yet to succeed in - Saints aren't the only ones!), and don't think it is as ridiculous as some are trying to make out that other teams may have a stronger CM.

 

I'm not sure ours is necessarily better, but I certainly don't think it is too far off. The reason united finished so far ahead of us is that their defence is massively superior (Yoshi & Fonte vs Rio & Vidic) as is their strike force, I mean they have Chicarito as 3rd choice - not to mention RVP and Rooney.

 

Carrick is an excellent footballer, a rare breed in this country in that he retains posession and can actually pass the ball without attempting superstar passes like some of our players do. If he'd not been English he'd have loads of international caps. IMO should have been a regualar fixture in our national side.

[Turkish]

I've never seen what the fuss is all about with Ferdinand.IMO he is probably the most over rated player i've ever seen.For a CB his defending ability is shockingly woeful, Vidic for me is streets ahead of Ferdinandl.Rooney is way over hyped too(not saying he's not a very good player just not the player he's made out to be).Now RVP oh for an RVP in our side.

 

Back in the early 00s he was excellent. Although the two best central defenders this country has produced in the last decade, Jonathan Woodgate and Ledley King, are both made of glass so never had the impact they could have.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Carrick is an excellent footballer, a rare breed in this country in that he retains posession and can actually pass the ball without attempting superstar passes like some of our players do. If he'd not been English he'd have loads of international caps. IMO should have been a regualar fixture in our national side.

 

Agree completely

[Turkish]

Can't argue with that but add Rooney, RVP, Vidic and Ferdinand to our team, where do you think we could finish. Their World class players are the reason they are they are streets ahead, not because of the likes of Cleverly and Anderson where us and other teams have better or equal players in certain positions.

 

Undoubtedly much higher, but If you asked any neutral who was the better player man for man then there would only be one winner for pretty much every position. We see Saints players week in week out and make excuses for them (except for Guly and Fox) we see Man United players on telly in the gold fish bowl that is playing for them where every mistake is highlighted and analysed again and again. What would people have made of Shaws error for the goal at Wigan for example? Or Lallanas powder puff shooting? Ramirez lack fitness and poor dead ball delivery if they were Man United players? It would be highlighted over and over again with the growing percention that Lallana for example couldn't finish his dinner. Its very rare that a poor player players for a club like Man United and those that are dont last long.

 

Look back over time and see how many of our star players have gone onto bigger things and really made a name for themselves. in my lifetime the only two you could really say have pushed on are Shearer and Bale. Even the likes of Walcott is widely percieved to be an average top half premier league player these days, whilst the likes of Beattie & Bridge disapeared off the radar. The reality is that the very best players at Saints apart from the odd exception are squad players for the big clubs.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Undoubtedly much higher, but If you asked any neutral who was the better player man for man then there would only be one winner for pretty much every position. We see Saints players week in week out and make excuses for them (except for Guly and Fox) we see Man United players on telly in the gold fish bowl that is playing for them where every mistake is highlighted and analysed again and again. What would people have made of Shaws error for the goal at Wigan for example? Or Lallanas powder puff shooting? Ramirez lack fitness and poor dead ball delivery if they were Man United players? It would be highlighted over and over again with the growing percention that Lallana for example couldn't finish his dinner. Its very rare that a poor player players for a club like Man United and those that are dont last long.

 

Look back over time and see how many of our star players have gone onto bigger things and really made a name for themselves. in my lifetime the only two you could really say have pushed on are Shearer and Bale. Even the likes of Walcott is widely percieved to be an average top half premier league player these days, whilst the likes of Beattie & Bridge disapeared off the radar. The reality is that the very best players at Saints apart from the odd exception are squad players for the big clubs.

 

Again, I largely agree with this. Perhaps not that Walcott is average, but you know, opinions.

 

1 question though, if I may. How would you place Oxo in this? Personally, I think he could be a top player at a top club. I don't think he is there yet, but certainly could be.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Back in the early 00s he was excellent. Although the two best central defenders this country has produced in the last decade, Jonathan Woodgate and Ledley King, are both made of glass so never had the impact they could have.

 

What is going on Turks, I find myself agreeing with you once more.

 

I am in awe of Ledley King. How he managed to perform at such a high level for so long considering he basically could not train is staggering. Perhaps this is me overstating things a bit, but I really think he could have been one of the top defenders of his generation (not the best - but up there) if it wasn't for his injury troubles. Had the pleasure of having a very brief chat with him once too, thoroughly nice bloke to boot.

[Dig Dig]

Even Utd have players who do make mistakes though or have certain weaknesses in their game. Generally margins in football are quite fine and having consistent world class performers in key positions makes all the difference. The players who do make mistakes at Utd or just not quite up to standard (yet and compared to precessors) are the likes of Cleverly, Nani, Welbeck, Anderson, Rafael...

 

These players could easily be upper mid table players if they were to ever leave Utd.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Sunderland perhaps dig dog?

[Dig Dig]

Sunderland perhaps dig dog?

 

Exactly!

[The9]

The fact of the matter is though that a lot of our fans are biased and blindly deluded. I'm not having a go at Garrett here but to use him as an example he has openly admitted that he doesn't rate Frank Lampard and suggested he wouldnt get into our side, yet this is a guy who has been one of the best midfielders in a generation and scored over a goal every two games last season from midfield, if that isn't looking at it football with Saints tinted glasses on i dont know waht is.

 

I would wager that a lot of people on here would argue that 5 or 6 Saints players are better than their Man United counterparts in that position. I would bet that some people here would argue that Boruc is better than De Gea, Shaw than Evra, Clyne than Rafal, Cork and Schniderlin than Carrick and Anderson, Lallana than Cleverly and Ramirez than Nani or Valencia. The proof is in the pudding, forget one off games where we give them a run for their money, Manchester United won the league and finished 48 points ahead of us last season, that would not happen if half of our team was better than theirs.

 

I think you're missing the point - you can indeed make a case that many of those players are of similar quality. What you're missing (or more likely deliberately ignoring) is that the ones you haven't mentioned are nowhere near the same class. Ferdinand/Vidic compared to Hooiveld/Yoshida, Van Persie/Rooney and Rodriguez/Lambert and pretty much their entire bench compared to Fox, Guly, etc. is where the difference lies. But at least one, maybe 2 of the 3 starting central midfielders are comparable.

 

There's also the issue that they may be at a similar level at their best, but the consistency of being at their best vastly differs. I'd see Puncheon on top form as comparable with Valencia, but I'd take Valencia as someone who is going to turn up and reach that personal peak far more often in a season.

[Turkish]

I think you're missing the point - you can indeed make a case that many of those players are of similar quality. What you're missing (or more likely deliberately ignoring) is that the ones you haven't mentioned are nowhere near the same class. Ferdinand/Vidic compared to Hooiveld/Yoshida, Van Persie/Rooney and Rodriguez/Lambert and pretty much their entire bench compared to Fox, Guly, etc. is where the difference lies. But at least one, maybe 2 of the 3 starting central midfielders are comparable.

 

There's also the issue that they may be at a similar level at their best, but the consistency of being at their best vastly differs. I'd see Puncheon on top form as comparable with Valencia, but I'd take Valencia as someone who is going to turn up and reach that personal peak far more often in a season.

 

surely that just reinforces my point that our best players are at best equivilents of their lesser players?

 

I deliberately didn't mention the ones you said as comparing Hooliveld and Yoshida with Ferdinand and Vidic is completely pointless, although the players i did mention are a lot closer in terms of ability.

Edited 9 August, 2013 by Turkish

[The9]

surely that just reinforces my point that our best players are at best equivalents of their lesser players?

 

The point I'm making is that saying individual Saints players are comparable to their Man U equivalents isn't necessarily viewing it through Saints-tinted glasses, in some cases it's a fair comparison.

 

However, yes, overall their squad has more good players and fewer weak ones.

 

You also said they wouldn't finish 48 points ahead if half our team was better than theirs. If our best 6 were slightly better than their worst 6 starters but their remaining 5 (and all of the bench) were miles better than our other players it's perfectly possible that could happen.

[jjsaint]

The amount of people who don't rate Carrick is astonishing.

 

He is a top player who just doesn't give the ball away.

 

This. Spot on about the other two though. And let's face it Spiderman's no slouch.

[The9]

I deliberately didn't mention the ones you said as comparing Hooliveld and Yoshida with Ferdinand and Vidic is completely pointless, although the players i did mention are a lot closer in terms of ability.

 

I see your edit - but that's where most of the difference comes from. Even at parks level you're only as strong as your weakest player, and try playing 5 a side with 4 excellent players and a complete donkey against 5 good ones. (Well, it would be nice...)

[Turkish]

The point I'm making is that saying individual Saints players are comparable to their Man U equivalents isn't necessarily viewing it through Saints-tinted glasses, in some cases it's a fair comparison.

 

However, yes, overall their squad has more good players and fewer weak ones.

 

You also said they wouldn't finish 48 points ahead if half our team was better than theirs. If our best 6 were slightly better than their worst 6 starters but their remaining 5 (and all of the bench) were miles better than our other players it's perfectly possible that could happen.

 

Well obviously if you want to be pedantic about it if our 5 starters were all terrible and theirs were world class and our 6 starters who were better were only slightly better then the points gap would be smaller. The fact is the gap was 48 points, the gap between us and them was more points than we picked up the whole season, so that suggests to me that most if not all of their player are better than ours.

[The9]

Well obviously if you want to be pedantic about it if our 5 starters were all terrible and theirs were world class and our 6 starters who were better were only slightly better then the points gap would be smaller. The fact is the gap was 48 points, the gap between us and them was more points than we picked up the whole season, so that suggests to me that most if not all of their player are better than ours.

 

That's not pedantic, that's pointing out where the difference is.

 

I would say that the differences are not just in overall squad ability on the day, but also how often that "day" can be attained. Man U's "West Brom home" days are a lot less frequent that ours. If that's part of your "better" calculation, fair enough, but what I'm saying is that their "best" levels can be the same in many cases and it doesn't have to be Saints bias to think that (say) Cork is better than Anderson, or Lambert is better than van Persie.

 

May have let myself down at the end there.

[Turkish]

I see your edit - but that's where most of the difference comes from. Even at parks level you're only as strong as your weakest player, and try playing 5 a side with 4 excellent players and a complete donkey against 5 good ones. (Well, it would be nice...)

 

I think you might be getting confused as again it reinforces my point that our best players are about the same level as their lesser players and squad players though doesn't it.

[Smirking_Saint]

I'd always have taken him over Gerrard. But neither are CMs really, always best at AM letting others get on with the CM duties. We have 3 quality CMs, but comparing with Lampard is pointless. The real comparison there would be Lampard/Ramirez or Lallana if he's playing central.

 

And obviously Lampard still comes out on top there. I always thought he was a more controlled and disciplined player than Gerrard, which is why he's been part of more success teams. Gerrard has been a great powerful player with a great shot, but ultimately a headless chicken, so while many English fans applaud his amazing workrate and commitment, he's miles behind top midfield players who actually show more football intelligence and help their team maintain shape and importantly, possession.

 

There was a large reason that Gerrard never went to a major club, despite tge fact any club in the world would have taken him (and yes, Real, Chelsea and Utd have made enquiries) and that was the only time he looked like moving the liverpool public threatened and shamed him into staying, this along with his loyalty.

 

As per his so called tactical awareness, its a bit lazy TBH, when he was younger he was very good at the more regimented side of the game in both Liverpool red or England white. The fact of the matter is he has BEEN liverpool for the last 10 years, never have I seen a player drag a club to victories, cup wins etc like him and certainly not Lampard who at best I would say was a very very able contributer at best.

 

Liverpool use him in the way they do because it is what he brings to the table and TBH its not 100m away from what chelsea do with Frank in the fact that teams were built around them, the only difference being that Frank has never been as dynamic and certainly not as rounded as a CM as Gerrard is/was. Nor do I remember FL ever being touted as the best CM in the world such as SG was only 5 or so years ago.

 

England had some v v able midfielders in their midst recently and in an effort to incorperate them all callously wasted them.

 

Lampard is good but looking at the two how anyone can pick him over Gerrard is rediculous.

[The9]

I think you might be getting confused as again it reinforces my point that our best players are about the same level as their lesser players and squad players though doesn't it.

 

I am saying that a team can contain some better players than another team without being a better team.

 

You're saying because they are better, all their players are better.

[Turkish]

That's not pedantic, that's pointing out where the difference is.

 

I would say that the differences are not just in overall squad ability on the day, but also how often that "day" can be attained. Man U's "West Brom home" days are a lot less frequent that ours. If that's part of your "better" calculation, fair enough, but what I'm saying is that their "best" levels can be the same in many cases and it doesn't have to be Saints bias to think that (say) Cork is better than Anderson, or Lambert is better than van Persie.

 

May have let myself down at the end there.

 

Well yes and consistancy is what makes a good player a great one. We've all see league one players play like demons in one off games against premier league sides, it doens't mean they are going to do it week in week out in the premier league. The difference between us and them as i've said several times is that our best players would be squad players at Man United and Man City and their best players are a class above ours. There really is no point comparing their best players with our worst.

[Turkish]

I am saying that a team can contain some better players than another team without being a better team.

 

You're saying because they are better, all their players are better.

 

NO im not, im getting bored with repeating myself so i'll say it slowly for you.

 

OUR.BEST.PLAYERS. ARE. SQUAD. PLAYER. LEVEL. AT. MANCHESTER. UNITED.

 

Got it?

[Smirking_Saint]

I've never seen what the fuss is all about with Ferdinand.IMO he is probably the most over rated player i've ever seen.For a CB his defending ability is shockingly woeful, Vidic for me is streets ahead of Ferdinandl.Rooney is way over hyped too(not saying he's not a very good player just not the player he's made out to be).Now RVP oh for an RVP in our side.

 

Its getting worse isnt it ?

[The9]

Well yes and consistancy is what makes a good player a great one. We've all see league one players play like demons in one off games against premier league sides, it doens't mean they are going to do it week in week out in the premier league. The difference between us and them as i've said several times is that our best players would be squad players at Man United and Man City and their best players are a class above ours. There really is no point comparing their best players with our worst.

 

Firstly, ALL players at Man U are squad players, world class van Persie-type to dubious Brazilian twin loanee full back, due to the rotation system and number of games they play.

 

I agree that as a basic concept there's an overall shift from the middle, to GOOD for Man U and LESS GOOD for Saints. BUT that does not necessarily mean the individual match ups in certain positions will always favour the Man U player.

 

It doesn't mean we have to be being biased towards Saints for thinking our best players are better than their Man U equivalents (who are not necessarily Man U's best players), and what you were saying was that we were ALWAYS biased for thinking that a Saints player could be better than a Man U one.

 

Hell, even as a team we even outperformed them for more than half of both matches against United last season - but still lost due to the lapses of our lesser players. That's why we finished 48 points behind, our worst players consistently make mistakes their squad doesn't.

[The9]

NO im not, im getting bored with repeating myself so i'll say it slowly for you.

 

OUR.BEST.PLAYERS. ARE. SQUAD. PLAYER. LEVEL. AT. MANCHESTER. UNITED.

 

Got it?

 

But ALL Man U players are squad players, even van Persie.

 

PS I like the irony, given that your previous post was duplicated.

[Turkish]

Firstly, ALL players at Man U are squad players, world class van Persie-type to dubious Brazilian twin loanee full back, due to the rotation system and number of games they play.

 

I agree that as a basic concept there's an overall shift from the middle, to GOOD for Man U and LESS GOOD for Saints. BUT that does not necessarily mean the individual match ups in certain positions will always favour the Man U player.

 

It doesn't mean we have to be being biased towards Saints for thinking our best players are better than their Man U equivalents (who are not necessarily Man U's best players), and what you were saying was that we were ALWAYS biased for thinking that a Saints player could be better than a Man U one.

 

Hell, even as a team we even outperformed them for more than half of both matches against United last season - but still lost due to the lapses of our lesser players. That's why we finished 48 points behind, our worst players consistently make mistakes their squad doesn't.

 

Go and ask 10 neutrals who they think is the better player, MOrgan Schniderlin or Michael Carrrick. I would bet at least 8 of them would say Carrick, yet here the majority would say Schniderlin. That is Saints bias.

 

We finished 48 points behind them because their best players are better than our best players and our less players are not as good as their lesser players.

 

It really is quite simple.

[Turkish]

But ALL Man U players are squad players, even van Persie.

 

PS I like the irony, given that your previous post was duplicated.

 

Okay lets try it another way.

 

OUR. BEST. PLAYERS. ARE. NOT. AS. GOOD. AS. THEIR. BEST. PLAYERS.

OUR. WORST. PLAYERS. ARE. NOT. AS. GOOD. AS THEIR. WORST. PLAYERs.

 

Jesus. who'd have thought it could so difficult trying to explain why Manchester UNited are better than us.

[Dig Dig]

Go and ask 10 neutrals who they think is the better player, MOrgan Schniderlin or Michael Carrrick. I would bet at least 8 of them would say Carrick, yet here the majority would say Schniderlin. That is Saints bias.

 

We finished 48 points behind them because their best players are better than our best players and our less players are not as good as their lesser players.

 

It really is quite simple.

 

I just nipped outside and asked 10 people mate. Morgan won 6:4 and I'm not in Southampton!

[Toadhall Saint]

I just nipped outside and asked 10 people mate. Morgan won 6:4 and I'm not in Southampton!

 

Ah must be in Manchester then.