Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Morgan > Carrick Cork > Cleverley Wanyama > Anderson I await sarcy comments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Yes we have with those three. Its the width we lack the cutting edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Morgan > Carrick Cork > Cleverley Wanyama > Anderson I await sarcy comments... I would choose Morgan and Cork over those two any day. And if Wanyama lives up to expectations, then probably him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Erm, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Our three mighty Saints...any day.. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 The amount of people who don't rate Carrick is astonishing. He is a top player who just doesn't give the ball away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 The amount of people who don't rate Carrick is astonishing. He is a top player who just doesn't give the ball away. I would still choose Morgan over him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Maybe central, but Man U also have Kagawa, Nani, Valencia, Young, Zaha, etc. I dont rate all those players but its true their central mid is weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2013 I think Carrick is a decent player, but would rather have Morgan anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 I'd be interested to see how Schneiderlin would fare in that team. I suspect he could do quite well, but he's certainly not any better than Carrick. Crazy to suggest so if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Morgan > Carrick Cork > Cleverley Wanyama > Anderson I await sarcy comments... And Chelsea because Lampard is sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Player by player perhaps but a midfield are only as good as the defense support them and the attack gives them option.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 If I could choose three, I'd have carsick and Morgan plus either cork or wanyama (need to see how he fares at this level first) so yes, we do. Not quite got competition for Rooney, Hernandez and van Persie though ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughba Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 The central midfielders are definitely all far better. However they are considerably stronger on the flanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 I can't in all conscience suggest Carrick wouldn't get into that 3 anywhere, or that Kagawa might not be better than Cork or Wanyama - and last season Scholes would have been in there. Plus Lallana and Puncheon/Guly are not in the same strata as their wide players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 And Chelsea because Lampard is sh*t. He was outclassed by Morgan at St Marys in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Lampard is just an average player these days. Used to be decent but not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 He was outclassed by Morgan at St Marys in March. Suarez was kept quiet by hooiveld. Lambert was kept quiet by a few league 1 cloggers back in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Lampard is just an average player these days. Used to be decent but not anymore. Exactly that. Scored as many goals as lambert from midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Just listening to talksport now, there is an interesting chat with Michael Calvin, Independent on Sunday writer, on scouting. Calvin described James Ward-Prowse as the best young footballer he has ever watched/scouted. Described him as v. similar in ability terms to Frank Lampard, talked about his maturity and vision, and that he expects a big season from his next year. Must say I'm a big fan of JWP from the few games I saw him play last season, so hoping he gets the game time and continues to progress. Our midfield is shaping up to be scarily good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Yeah, think JWP is a quality young player. So calm on the ball it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Just listening to talksport now, there is an interesting chat with Michael Calvin, Independent on Sunday writer, on scouting. Calvin described James Ward-Prowse as the best young footballer he has ever watched/scouted. Described him as v. similar in ability terms to Frank Lampard, talked about his maturity and vision, and that he expects a big season from his next year. Must say I'm a big fan of JWP from the few games I saw him play last season, so hoping he gets the game time and continues to progress. Our midfield is shaping up to be scarily good. JWP is the nearest thing to Carrick we have and he should be developed, nurtured and cherished as he is going to be a top player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 I await JWP's progress with interest, can't say he did much to impress me once August was over and he didn't run the U20s like I was expecting him to either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Suarez was kept quiet by hooiveld. Lambert was kept quiet by a few league 1 cloggers back in the day Very different. CM is much more a head to head of players in same position. jos only lasted 20 mins didn't he? As you mention Liverpool game - Morgan outclassed Gerrard in that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Just listening to talksport now, there is an interesting chat with Michael Calvin, Independent on Sunday writer, on scouting. Calvin described James Ward-Prowse as the best young footballer he has ever watched/scouted. Described him as v. similar in ability terms to Frank Lampard, talked about his maturity and vision, and that he expects a big season from his next year. Must say I'm a big fan of JWP from the few games I saw him play last season, so hoping he gets the game time and continues to progress. Our midfield is shaping up to be scarily good. Really not seen that at all from JWP yet. Doesn't get involved enough in games for a CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Lampard is just an average player these days. Used to be decent but not anymore. Please don't say that again. It was awkward enough the first time you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Don't get the Lampard obsession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Don't get the Lampard obsession. You probably shouldn't join in a conversation about football then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 (edited) He was outclassed by Morgan at St Marys in March. Indeed he was on that occasion. Edited 8 August, 2013 by Greenridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Don't get the Lampard obsession. Consistently the top scoring midfielder in the premier league for 10 seasons, virtually ever present til the last couple of seasons in a side that's won the league a couple of times, the cup lots of times, and been in the last 4 of the champions league another load of times. Yep, he's average alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 He was outclassed by Morgan at St Marys in March. Mulumba outclassed Morgan at the Hawthorns last season, he must be better than them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Good in recent years, old now, don't think he offers enough. Was barely in the game when we played them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Yep, top scoring Englishman (joint) last season in the premier league. Just not offering enough i tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 (edited) Good in recent years, old now, don't think he offers enough. Was barely in the game when we played them. He scored 15 goals from midfield last season, averaging over a goal every other game. What exactly is it you are looking for him to offer? Edited 8 August, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Good in recent years, old now, don't think he offers enough. Was barely in the game when we played them. ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Consistently the top scoring midfielder in the premier league for 10 seasons, virtually ever present til the last couple of seasons in a side that's won the league a couple of times, the cup lots of times, and been in the last 4 of the champions league another load of times. Yep, he's average alright. Think he's benefitted from playing for Chelsea over the period of time though, he's been a part of some of the best teams the Premier League has seen. Playing alongside the likes of Drogba, Cole, Essien, Mata, Terry, Ballack etc can only make you look better when your team is winning games. For me he's comparable to Kevin Nolan in that he's more of an attacking midfielder than a proper box-to-boxer that people like to talk about him being. Can't fault his goalscoring record though, top class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Don't do it to yourself Saint Garrett! He had an excellent season last year, despite many saying that it's time for him to go and move to the MLS. He was probably one of the best midfielders over the course of last season. Consistently in 15 or more goals from central midfield. We need to make the most of having a player of his quality in an England shirt, as beyond him in the short-term...there's no one anywhere near his class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Think he's benefitted from playing for Chelsea over the period of time though, he's been a part of some of the best teams the Premier League has seen. Playing alongside the likes of Drogba, Cole, Essien, Mata, Terry, Ballack etc can only make you look better when your team is winning games. For me he's comparable to Kevin Nolan in that he's more of an attacking midfielder than a proper box-to-boxer that people like to talk about him being. Can't fault his goalscoring record though, top class. Messi wouldn't be half the player he was if he was playing for Reading. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Think he's benefitted from playing for Chelsea over the period of time though, he's been a part of some of the best teams the Premier League has seen. Playing alongside the likes of Drogba, Cole, Essien, Mata, Terry, Ballack etc can only make you look better when your team is winning games. For me he's comparable to Kevin Nolan in that he's more of an attacking midfielder than a proper box-to-boxer that people like to talk about him being. Can't fault his goalscoring record though, top class. That applies to pretty much every top class player that has ever played. Pretty irrelevant. The bloke has been top class throughout his career and is still pretty good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Just listening to talksport now, there is an interesting chat with Michael Calvin, Independent on Sunday writer, on scouting. Calvin described James Ward-Prowse as the best young footballer he has ever watched/scouted. Described him as v. similar in ability terms to Frank Lampard, talked about his maturity and vision, and that he expects a big season from his next year. Must say I'm a big fan of JWP from the few games I saw him play last season, so hoping he gets the game time and continues to progress. Our midfield is shaping up to be scarily good. Seen a lot of JWP and I really like him, he, Kane and Barkley (and the CB, foreign name) all inpressed me in the U21s as much as any of them could. He plays with a maturity above his age, is busy, wants the ball. I said before he reminds me a lot of Lampard/Wilshere when they came on the scene. He doesnt have the physical presence yet for an out n out CM yet I dont think. But I think he could be a very good player and should get time this year. Isgrove N Chambers impress me too but not seen as much of them. As per our Midfield Vs UTDs ? I prefer theirs. Morgs coukd probably get into most teams TBH but both cleverley and Carrick have been underrated here. Lampard ? Im not going to start here, he isnt Gerrard but he is v v good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Don't do it to yourself Saint Garrett! He had an excellent season last year, despite many saying that it's time for him to go and move to the MLS. He was probably one of the best midfielders over the course of last season. Consistently in 15 or more goals from central midfield. We need to make the most of having a player of his quality in an England shirt, as beyond him in the short-term...there's no one anywhere near his class. Personally think that's more a problem with England than him being anything special though. I think he's been comparable to Gerrard in the past, but Gerrard has and always will be better than him. I think he's got a lot of goals against poor teams playing for Chelsea in 3/4/5-0 wins. Fair play to him, he's had a decent career, but I just don't think he's that great anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Messi wouldn't be half the player he was if he was playing for Reading. FFS. You're taking the p!ss but playing for a club like Chelsea, having top-class training facilities, playing at the top level alongside some of the best players on the continent and being managed by some excellent coaches is exactly the kind of thing that helps a player to fulfil their potential. I genuinely think if Lampard had come through at a club like Brentford and played at that level for his career then he wouldn't be close to the player that he is now. By the way, although his record is impressive - goals do not a good midfielder make. Don't think his all-round game is strong enough to be considered in the same category as some of the best proper central midfielders ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 You're taking the p!ss but playing for a club like Chelsea, having top-class training facilities, playing at the top level alongside some of the best players on the continent and being managed by some excellent coaches is exactly the kind of thing that helps a player to fulfil their potential. I genuinely think if Lampard had come through at a club like Brentford and played at that level for his career then he wouldn't be close to the player that he is now. By the way, although his record is impressive - goals do not a good midfielder make. Don't think his all-round game is strong enough to be considered in the same category as some of the best proper central midfielders ever. As sour Mush (LOLZ) said, its totally irrelevant as ther applies to pretty much every top player that has ever played and utterly stupid to try and discredit him by saying he's its only because he played in a good side. He started at West Ham. Redknapp who according to some on here ruins players. Why do you think he didn't end up at Brenford and Chelsea signed him from West Ham? Because he's better than ther level maybe? and no one is saying he is one of the best players ever, but he's certainly not sh*t like some have said and has been one of the top 5 or 6 midfielders to have played in this country in the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 That applies to pretty much every top class player that has ever played. Pretty irrelevant. The bloke has been top class throughout his career and is still pretty good now. Exactly, incredible player. I see what he is saying, he certainly 'benefitted' from Chelsea building a team around him but then if you took Messi out of Barca he would be No.2 in the world IMO Basically, certain players are deployed certain ways, and in what Lampard is asked to do, he is great at it. This is also why Gerrard should have won the battle of the England midfield OR England should have changed tactics to suit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 lampard is just a sh.it steven davis imitator imo. also gerrard was/is streets ahead of lampard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 You're taking the p!ss but playing for a club like Chelsea, having top-class training facilities, playing at the top level alongside some of the best players on the continent and being managed by some excellent coaches is exactly the kind of thing that helps a player to fulfil their potential. I genuinely think if Lampard had come through at a club like Brentford and played at that level for his career then he wouldn't be close to the player that he is now. By the way, although his record is impressive - goals do not a good midfielder make. Don't think his all-round game is strong enough to be considered in the same category as some of the best proper central midfielders ever. Its hard to pigeon hole players that way, what category would you put someone like Xavi or Ronaldinho etc ? They are certainly not CMs The same as Messi or C Ron arent exactly wingers or CFs ? They are incorporated into systems that get the most out of them esp in Messi's case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Its hard to pigeon hole players that way, what category would you put someone like Xavi or Ronaldinho etc ? They are certainly not CMs The same as Messi or C Ron arent exactly wingers or CFs ? They are incorporated into systems that get the most out of them esp in Messi's case You can't do that on FM mate, you have to play a set formation so I doubt most on here know what you're on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2013 You can't do that on FM mate, you have to play a set formation so I doubt most on here know what you're on about. So do you think Lampard as he is now at 34 or whatever he is, is still world class and better than anyone we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 You can't do that on FM mate, you have to play a set formation so I doubt most on here know what you're on about. Dumb Turks - go to tactics, player instructions and then tick free role. That's why you were Burnley manager and I was being headhunted by barca - small time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 So do you think Lampard as he is now at 34 or whatever he is, is still world class and better than anyone we have? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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