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As it stands, do we have a better midfield than Utd?

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Cascadia Saint

Cascadia Saint

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Morgan > Carrick

Cork > Cleverley

Wanyama > Anderson

 

I await sarcy comments...

 

I would choose Morgan and Cork over those two any day. And if Wanyama lives up to expectations, then probably him too.

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Maybe central, but Man U also have Kagawa, Nani, Valencia, Young, Zaha, etc. I dont rate all those players but its true their central mid is weak.

DuncanRG

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I'd be interested to see how Schneiderlin would fare in that team. I suspect he could do quite well, but he's certainly not any better than Carrick. Crazy to suggest so if you ask me.

Chewy

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If I could choose three, I'd have carsick and Morgan plus either cork or wanyama (need to see how he fares at this level first) so yes, we do. Not quite got competition for Rooney, Hernandez and van Persie though ...

The9

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I can't in all conscience suggest Carrick wouldn't get into that 3 anywhere, or that Kagawa might not be better than Cork or Wanyama - and last season Scholes would have been in there. Plus Lallana and Puncheon/Guly are not in the same strata as their wide players.

Batman

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He was outclassed by Morgan at St Marys in March.

 

Suarez was kept quiet by hooiveld.

Lambert was kept quiet by a few league 1 cloggers back in the day

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Lampard is just an average player these days. Used to be decent but not anymore.

 

Exactly that. Scored as many goals as lambert from midfield

Toon Saint

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Just listening to talksport now, there is an interesting chat with Michael Calvin, Independent on Sunday writer, on scouting.

 

Calvin described James Ward-Prowse as the best young footballer he has ever watched/scouted. Described him as v. similar in ability terms to Frank Lampard, talked about his maturity and vision, and that he expects a big season from his next year.

 

Must say I'm a big fan of JWP from the few games I saw him play last season, so hoping he gets the game time and continues to progress. Our midfield is shaping up to be scarily good.

Ewell

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Just listening to talksport now, there is an interesting chat with Michael Calvin, Independent on Sunday writer, on scouting.

 

Calvin described James Ward-Prowse as the best young footballer he has ever watched/scouted. Described him as v. similar in ability terms to Frank Lampard, talked about his maturity and vision, and that he expects a big season from his next year.

 

Must say I'm a big fan of JWP from the few games I saw him play last season, so hoping he gets the game time and continues to progress. Our midfield is shaping up to be scarily good.

 

JWP is the nearest thing to Carrick we have and he should be developed, nurtured and cherished as he is going to be a top player for us.

The9

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I await JWP's progress with interest, can't say he did much to impress me once August was over and he didn't run the U20s like I was expecting him to either.

NickG

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Suarez was kept quiet by hooiveld.

Lambert was kept quiet by a few league 1 cloggers back in the day

 

Very different.

CM is much more a head to head of players in same position.

 

jos only lasted 20 mins didn't he?

 

As you mention Liverpool game - Morgan outclassed Gerrard in that game ;)

Sour Mash

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Just listening to talksport now, there is an interesting chat with Michael Calvin, Independent on Sunday writer, on scouting.

 

Calvin described James Ward-Prowse as the best young footballer he has ever watched/scouted. Described him as v. similar in ability terms to Frank Lampard, talked about his maturity and vision, and that he expects a big season from his next year.

 

Must say I'm a big fan of JWP from the few games I saw him play last season, so hoping he gets the game time and continues to progress. Our midfield is shaping up to be scarily good.

Really not seen that at all from JWP yet. Doesn't get involved enough in games for a CM.
Chewy

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Don't get the Lampard obsession.

 

Consistently the top scoring midfielder in the premier league for 10 seasons, virtually ever present til the last couple of seasons in a side that's won the league a couple of times, the cup lots of times, and been in the last 4 of the champions league another load of times. Yep, he's average alright.

Turkish

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He was outclassed by Morgan at St Marys in March.

 

Mulumba outclassed Morgan at the Hawthorns last season, he must be better than them both.

Turkish

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Good in recent years, old now, don't think he offers enough. Was barely in the game when we played them.

 

He scored 15 goals from midfield last season, averaging over a goal every other game. What exactly is it you are looking for him to offer?

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SuperMikey

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Consistently the top scoring midfielder in the premier league for 10 seasons, virtually ever present til the last couple of seasons in a side that's won the league a couple of times, the cup lots of times, and been in the last 4 of the champions league another load of times. Yep, he's average alright.

 

Think he's benefitted from playing for Chelsea over the period of time though, he's been a part of some of the best teams the Premier League has seen. Playing alongside the likes of Drogba, Cole, Essien, Mata, Terry, Ballack etc can only make you look better when your team is winning games. For me he's comparable to Kevin Nolan in that he's more of an attacking midfielder than a proper box-to-boxer that people like to talk about him being. Can't fault his goalscoring record though, top class.

S-Clarke

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Don't do it to yourself Saint Garrett!

 

He had an excellent season last year, despite many saying that it's time for him to go and move to the MLS. He was probably one of the best midfielders over the course of last season. Consistently in 15 or more goals from central midfield. We need to make the most of having a player of his quality in an England shirt, as beyond him in the short-term...there's no one anywhere near his class.

Turkish

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Think he's benefitted from playing for Chelsea over the period of time though, he's been a part of some of the best teams the Premier League has seen. Playing alongside the likes of Drogba, Cole, Essien, Mata, Terry, Ballack etc can only make you look better when your team is winning games. For me he's comparable to Kevin Nolan in that he's more of an attacking midfielder than a proper box-to-boxer that people like to talk about him being. Can't fault his goalscoring record though, top class.

 

Messi wouldn't be half the player he was if he was playing for Reading. FFS.

Sour Mash

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Think he's benefitted from playing for Chelsea over the period of time though, he's been a part of some of the best teams the Premier League has seen. Playing alongside the likes of Drogba, Cole, Essien, Mata, Terry, Ballack etc can only make you look better when your team is winning games. For me he's comparable to Kevin Nolan in that he's more of an attacking midfielder than a proper box-to-boxer that people like to talk about him being. Can't fault his goalscoring record though, top class.
That applies to pretty much every top class player that has ever played. Pretty irrelevant. The bloke has been top class throughout his career and is still pretty good now.
Smirking_Saint

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Just listening to talksport now, there is an interesting chat with Michael Calvin, Independent on Sunday writer, on scouting.

 

Calvin described James Ward-Prowse as the best young footballer he has ever watched/scouted. Described him as v. similar in ability terms to Frank Lampard, talked about his maturity and vision, and that he expects a big season from his next year.

 

Must say I'm a big fan of JWP from the few games I saw him play last season, so hoping he gets the game time and continues to progress. Our midfield is shaping up to be scarily good.

 

Seen a lot of JWP and I really like him, he, Kane and Barkley (and the CB, foreign name) all inpressed me in the U21s as much as any of them could.

 

He plays with a maturity above his age, is busy, wants the ball. I said before he reminds me a lot of Lampard/Wilshere when they came on the scene. He doesnt have the physical presence yet for an out n out CM yet I dont think. But I think he could be a very good player and should get time this year. Isgrove N Chambers impress me too but not seen as much of them.

 

As per our Midfield Vs UTDs ? I prefer theirs. Morgs coukd probably get into most teams TBH but both cleverley and Carrick have been underrated here.

 

Lampard ? Im not going to start here, he isnt Gerrard but he is v v good.

Saint Garrett

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Don't do it to yourself Saint Garrett!

 

He had an excellent season last year, despite many saying that it's time for him to go and move to the MLS. He was probably one of the best midfielders over the course of last season. Consistently in 15 or more goals from central midfield. We need to make the most of having a player of his quality in an England shirt, as beyond him in the short-term...there's no one anywhere near his class.

 

Personally think that's more a problem with England than him being anything special though. I think he's been comparable to Gerrard in the past, but Gerrard has and always will be better than him. I think he's got a lot of goals against poor teams playing for Chelsea in 3/4/5-0 wins. Fair play to him, he's had a decent career, but I just don't think he's that great anymore.

SuperMikey

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Messi wouldn't be half the player he was if he was playing for Reading. FFS.

 

You're taking the p!ss but playing for a club like Chelsea, having top-class training facilities, playing at the top level alongside some of the best players on the continent and being managed by some excellent coaches is exactly the kind of thing that helps a player to fulfil their potential. I genuinely think if Lampard had come through at a club like Brentford and played at that level for his career then he wouldn't be close to the player that he is now.

 

By the way, although his record is impressive - goals do not a good midfielder make. Don't think his all-round game is strong enough to be considered in the same category as some of the best proper central midfielders ever.

Turkish

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You're taking the p!ss but playing for a club like Chelsea, having top-class training facilities, playing at the top level alongside some of the best players on the continent and being managed by some excellent coaches is exactly the kind of thing that helps a player to fulfil their potential. I genuinely think if Lampard had come through at a club like Brentford and played at that level for his career then he wouldn't be close to the player that he is now.

 

By the way, although his record is impressive - goals do not a good midfielder make. Don't think his all-round game is strong enough to be considered in the same category as some of the best proper central midfielders ever.

 

As sour Mush (LOLZ) said, its totally irrelevant as ther applies to pretty much every top player that has ever played and utterly stupid to try and discredit him by saying he's its only because he played in a good side. He started at West Ham. Redknapp who according to some on here ruins players. Why do you think he didn't end up at Brenford and Chelsea signed him from West Ham? Because he's better than ther level maybe? and no one is saying he is one of the best players ever, but he's certainly not sh*t like some have said and has been one of the top 5 or 6 midfielders to have played in this country in the last decade.

Smirking_Saint

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That applies to pretty much every top class player that has ever played. Pretty irrelevant. The bloke has been top class throughout his career and is still pretty good now.

 

Exactly, incredible player.

 

I see what he is saying, he certainly 'benefitted' from Chelsea building a team around him but then if you took Messi out of Barca he would be No.2 in the world IMO

 

Basically, certain players are deployed certain ways, and in what Lampard is asked to do, he is great at it. This is also why Gerrard should have won the battle of the England midfield OR England should have changed tactics to suit

Smirking_Saint

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You're taking the p!ss but playing for a club like Chelsea, having top-class training facilities, playing at the top level alongside some of the best players on the continent and being managed by some excellent coaches is exactly the kind of thing that helps a player to fulfil their potential. I genuinely think if Lampard had come through at a club like Brentford and played at that level for his career then he wouldn't be close to the player that he is now.

 

By the way, although his record is impressive - goals do not a good midfielder make. Don't think his all-round game is strong enough to be considered in the same category as some of the best proper central midfielders ever.

 

Its hard to pigeon hole players that way, what category would you put someone like Xavi or Ronaldinho etc ? They are certainly not CMs

 

The same as Messi or C Ron arent exactly wingers or CFs ? They are incorporated into systems that get the most out of them esp in Messi's case

Turkish

Turkish

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Its hard to pigeon hole players that way, what category would you put someone like Xavi or Ronaldinho etc ? They are certainly not CMs

 

The same as Messi or C Ron arent exactly wingers or CFs ? They are incorporated into systems that get the most out of them esp in Messi's case

 

You can't do that on FM mate, you have to play a set formation so I doubt most on here know what you're on about.

Saint Garrett

Saint Garrett

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You can't do that on FM mate, you have to play a set formation so I doubt most on here know what you're on about.

 

So do you think Lampard as he is now at 34 or whatever he is, is still world class and better than anyone we have?

Tokyo-Saint

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You can't do that on FM mate, you have to play a set formation so I doubt most on here know what you're on about.

 

Dumb Turks - go to tactics, player instructions and then tick free role. That's why you were Burnley manager and I was being headhunted by barca - small time!

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