Stephen Fry on the 'Anti-Gay Olympics'

[Cascadia Saint]

I've been investigating bout gay babies and check how it was with the ancient geeks! When they was not busy reading spiderman comics or whatever, they was categorising their sexual orientation not by gender but by whether you like to be the dominant or the submissive. i.e. you wasn't straight or gay, you was either bent over or stood up. Intresting!

 

Didn't know babies could stand up.

[Essruu]

Scientifically - there is no proof either way.

 

But anecdotal evidence is pretty overwhelming. I have never met a homosexual who has said otherwise. Granted I have not met every gay person in the world, but I have met a lot and from conversations I've had, that is how it is.

 

You say they are born 'that way'; many of them say they knew from an early age that they were 'different' and the few that I know of wish they weren't homosexuals at all and it has caused them a life of misery. Why, then, do they go on Gay Pride marches if they wish they weren't homosexuals? It doesn't sound like they are very proud of their affliction at all.

 

I think that the reason they are born with homosexual tendencies is due to either a faulty genetic code or a mental disorder/chemical imbalance in their brains. You can tell by the way some of them act, speak and flounce that they are not right.

 

Ok, once they've been born there's not a lot you can do about them; you just have to let them get on with it with each other; this doesn't mean that their lifestyle should be promoted as 'natural' or 'normal' to children though. This is why I said the Russian law (not the beatings) was perfectly reasonable.

 

If enough money was made available for proper genetic/brain research into the causes of homosexuality, a cure could probably be found.

[saintbletch]

You say they are born 'that way'; many of them say they knew from an early age that they were 'different' and the few that I know of wish they weren't homosexuals at all and it has caused them a life of misery. Why, then, do they go on Gay Pride marches if they wish they weren't homosexuals? It doesn't sound like they are very proud of their affliction at all.

 

I think that the reason they are born with homosexual tendencies is due to either a faulty genetic code or a mental disorder/chemical imbalance in their brains. You can tell by the way some of them act, speak and flounce that they are not right.

 

Ok, once they've been born there's not a lot you can do about them; you just have to let them get on with it with each other; this doesn't mean that their lifestyle should be promoted as 'natural' or 'normal' to children though. This is why I said the Russian law (not the beatings) was perfectly reasonable.

 

If enough money was made available for proper genetic/brain research into the causes of homosexuality, a cure could probably be found.

 

It's OK Essruu, you can't catch it.

[Barry Sanchez]

Switch gay to black on these posts, it wouldn't happen would it?

[Tokyo-Saint]

If it is an abnormality essruu, then it is a pretty common abnormality, as many as 1 in 10 accounting to popular myth/fact. As it is so common, is it not therefore sensible to teach kids that it is common and can be expected?

 

I'm not adverse to a bit of **** taking with the banter bummers but it is just having a mutual laugh that only the highly strung gay or straight would find offensive. Some of the attitudes on here though are completely outdated to say the least.

Edited 8 August, 2013 by Tokyo-Saint

[pap]

You say they are born 'that way'; many of them say they knew from an early age that they were 'different' and the few that I know of wish they weren't homosexuals at all and it has caused them a life of misery. Why, then, do they go on Gay Pride marches if they wish they weren't homosexuals? It doesn't sound like they are very proud of their affliction at all.

 

I think that the reason they are born with homosexual tendencies is due to either a faulty genetic code or a mental disorder/chemical imbalance in their brains. You can tell by the way some of them act, speak and flounce that they are not right.

 

Ok, once they've been born there's not a lot you can do about them; you just have to let them get on with it with each other; this doesn't mean that their lifestyle should be promoted as 'natural' or 'normal' to children though. This is why I said the Russian law (not the beatings) was perfectly reasonable.

 

If enough money was made available for proper genetic/brain research into the causes of homosexuality, a cure could probably be found.

 

I've met loads of gay people through Uni and clubbing. While there are undoubtedly flamboyant and camp queens about the place, they represent a fraction of the overall community. I've met just as many people you'd consider normal, not suspecting a thing about their sexual orientation. Indeed, some of the funniest stories you hear involve thick heterosexuals who conflate gay men with effeminate weaklings and getting their (metaphorical) arses turned over.

 

Indeed, the all-conquering ancient armies of Greece and Sparta got a bit of bumming in between battles.

 

We've all met the relentlessly tireless queen who sees sexuality as a broad substitute for a personality, but that's the exception rather than the rule. You can't definitively say all heterosexuals act in similar ways, no more than you can put homosexuals into a big camp box, as anyone who has been battered by a batty boy will attest.

[solentstars]

It's OK Essruu, you can't catch it.

to late for that:lol:i think ..looks like hes on a wind up:rolleyes:

[Barry Sanchez]

Outdated **** me, I have banter with all trust me but the joke stops when the person does not find it funny.

[Tokyo-Saint]

On newsnight now

[KelvinsRightGlove]

You say they are born 'that way'; many of them say they knew from an early age that they were 'different' and the few that I know of wish they weren't homosexuals at all and it has caused them a life of misery. Why, then, do they go on Gay Pride marches if they wish they weren't homosexuals? It doesn't sound like they are very proud of their affliction at all.

 

I think that the reason they are born with homosexual tendencies is due to either a faulty genetic code or a mental disorder/chemical imbalance in their brains. You can tell by the way some of them act, speak and flounce that they are not right.

 

Ok, once they've been born there's not a lot you can do about them; you just have to let them get on with it with each other; this doesn't mean that their lifestyle should be promoted as 'natural' or 'normal' to children though. This is why I said the Russian law (not the beatings) was perfectly reasonable.

 

If enough money was made available for proper genetic/brain research into the causes of homosexuality, a cure could probably be found.

 

The one question I have is, is it their homosexuality that makes them miserable, or ****ing backward ****s like you with your archaic views that make them miserable?

 

I'm not saying I'm perfect, clearly far from be it, but if everyone shared my, Barry, pap etc's stance would they be so miserable.

 

Not that I believe you actually know any gay people, seeing as you are effectively saying that they are all wrong in the head.

 

People like you make me wish I believed in hell, as there would be a special placed reserved for your narrow minded bigotry.

 

Maybe this is ott, maybe I should be infracted, whatever. But your patent lack of understanding or empathy is absolutely outstanding.

 

What exactly is it you are scared of? You seem petrified of these big bad mincers? Why should people not think it is normal? Gay people are perfectly normal, pleasant, positive contributors to society. Your phobia is born solely out of ignorance. What's the matter? Some repressed feelings deep down you have issues with?

 

Deadly serious, what have the gays ever done to you? It's not like this is some new phenomenon, throughout history there are plenty of well established figures that were homosexual. It is not a case of there suddenly being more, just more accepting people.

 

Thankfully, the vast majority of those on here demonstrate that times are changing, such Neanderthal, knuckle dragging opinions are being left behind, and those that stick to them are left to look as silly and outdated as the pathetic arguments they make sound.

Edited 8 August, 2013 by KelvinsRightGlove

[Tokyo-Saint]

Well said KRG!

[dubai_phil]

One of my 3 posts FFS Granty I paid DAYS ago!

 

So Stephen Fry has leapt into the battle in Russia on the Gay platform. You lot have freedom of speech, so nothing to see here move along.

 

Mind you, I'm REALLY waiting to see how the PC brigade cope with the World Cup in Qatar in a few years time.

 

Let's see how the Gay Rights demands stand up when faced with VERY strongly held Religious & Cultural beliefs.

 

Will the first "Protester" to step into the fray be labelled a Racist?

 

Oh the minefields.

 

But you know what?

 

The thing that ****es the planet off more than anything else is being lectured to by "The Enlightened West"

 

Look, Gay Rights in Russia is an issue for the Russians to resolve. (Christ they have a ZILLION worse issues to resolve regarding personal freedom & rights still).

 

Rewind 30 odd years, how the hell would the Brits have felt about being lectured on THEIR internal morals and laws by some Johnny Foreigner.

 

You want to help Stephen? Then STFU and get on a plane and start working in country to change hearts and minds. It has taken a long time in the UK & US, so don't think some attention seeking rant is going to affect anything.

 

My rants never affect anything and neither do yours. We both always manage to end up looking stupid

[suewhistle]

No it shouldn't you ****ing philistine.

 

C****t Barry, that's the first post where I've ever agreed with you!

[Cascadia Saint]

Switch gay to black on these posts, it wouldn't happen would it?

 

No it wouldn't.

 

And quite how this talk of 'afflictions', 'faulty genetics' and 'mental disorders' is getting past the forum's anti-homophobia rules is beyond me.

 

Or are the forum owners fine with gay members (and there must be plenty) reading the disgusting unmoderated opinions of that idiot above?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

One of my 3 posts FFS Granty I paid DAYS ago!

 

So Stephen Fry has leapt into the battle in Russia on the Gay platform. You lot have freedom of speech, so nothing to see here move along.

 

Mind you, I'm REALLY waiting to see how the PC brigade cope with the World Cup in Qatar in a few years time.

 

Let's see how the Gay Rights demands stand up when faced with VERY strongly held Religious & Cultural beliefs.

 

Will the first "Protester" to step into the fray be labelled a Racist?

 

Oh the minefields.

 

But you know what?

 

The thing that ****es the planet off more than anything else is being lectured to by "The Enlightened West"

 

Look, Gay Rights in Russia is an issue for the Russians to resolve. (Christ they have a ZILLION worse issues to resolve regarding personal freedom & rights still).

 

Rewind 30 odd years, how the hell would the Brits have felt about being lectured on THEIR internal morals and laws by some Johnny Foreigner.

 

You want to help Stephen? Then STFU and get on a plane and start working in country to change hearts and minds. It has taken a long time in the UK & US, so don't think some attention seeking rant is going to affect anything.

 

My rants never affect anything and neither do yours. We both always manage to end up looking stupid

 

Pay for my flight, I will be on the first flight to Moscow.

 

I would happily stand shoulder to shoulder with the lgbt community in Russia and spit in putins eye. If I was to be beaten, punished, imprisoned or kills then so be it.

 

You sit by on the side and say there is nothing people can do, let people carry on, personally this holds no sway with me, and I feel you are missing the point entirely. I can't help but feel you haven't actually read the letter.

 

Exactly how is shutting up going to help anything? There was a time when Darwin was called a heretic, should he have just shut up and bowed to the church?

 

Things change through the actions of brave people, anyone that has spent anytime studying any part of the history of humanity will understand this.

 

Sitting on your arse saying stop telling others to stand up for their beliefs is total cowardice. The world would be a lot worse place if it were not for people like Martin Luther king, Charles Darwin, Nelson Mandela, benazhir Bhutto, ghandi who spoke out, who went against the grain.

 

And yeah, Qatar, much like UAE are equally culparable, and I will be first in line to criticise and do anything possible to change what I can.

[Essruu]

No it wouldn't.

 

And quite how this talk of 'afflictions', 'faulty genetics' and 'mental disorders' is getting past the forum's anti-homophobia rules is beyond me.

 

Or are the forum owners fine with gay members (and there must be plenty) reading the disgusting unmoderated opinions of that idiot above?

 

I'm not homophobic; I have nothing against the gays. I just believe they have a disorder of some sort - whether that is genetic or of the brain is questionable and, sadly, proper funding into research to establish the reasons for it or potential cures will never be given or raised now that society has become so tolerant of them and deemed them 'normal'.

 

I'm not saying they are evil, should be beaten, or exterminated FFS.

[Turkish]

Pay for my flight, I will be on the first flight to Moscow.

 

I would happily stand shoulder to shoulder with the lgbt community in Russia and spit in putins eye. If I was to be beaten, punished, imprisoned or kills then so be it.

 

You sit by on the side and say there is nothing people can do, let people carry on, personally this holds no sway with me, and I feel you are missing the point entirely. I can't help but feel you haven't actually read the letter.

 

Exactly how is shutting up going to help anything? There was a time when Darwin was called a heretic, should he have just shut up and bowed to the church?

 

Things change through the actions of brave people, anyone that has spent anytime studying any part of the history of humanity will understand this.

 

Sitting on your arse saying stop telling others to stand up for their beliefs is total cowardice. The world would be a lot worse place if it were not for people like Martin Luther king, Charles Darwin, Nelson Mandela, benazhir Bhutto, ghandi who spoke out, who went against the grain.

 

And yeah, Qatar, much like UAE are equally culparable, and I will be first in line to criticise and do anything possible to change what I can.

 

Bravo sir bravo. You're doing your bit i see by posting about it on a football forum.

[Turkish]

I'm not homophobic; I have nothing against the gays. I just believe they have a disorder of some sort - whether that is genetic or of the brain is questionable and, sadly, proper funding into research to establish the reasons for it or potential cures will never be given or raised now that society has become so tolerant of them and deemed them 'normal'.

 

I'm not saying they are evil, should be beaten, or exterminated FFS.

 

Its like depression, I'm sure there are a few genuine cases out there and some people really do have it, but there are also a lot that do it for attention and because they think its the cool thing to have.

[Cascadia Saint]

Its like depression, I'm sure there are a few genuine cases out there and some people really do have it, but there are also a lot that do it for attention and because they think its the cool thing to have.

 

Homophobia, or being gay?

 

If it's the latter then that's pretty pathetic.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Bravo sir bravo. You're doing your bit i see by posting about it on a football forum.

 

Because I post on here means I do nothing off here?

[Turkish]

Because I post on here means I do nothing off here?

 

Well you haven't died for your cause, whatever it might be, like you claimed you would a few posts up yet have you. I very much doubt you've been beaten or imprisoned like you claim you would eitherr

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Well you haven't died for your cause, whatever it might be, like you claimed you would a few posts up yet have you. I very much doubt you've been beaten or imprisoned like you claim you would eitherr

 

I'm not saying I have.

 

But I would campaign and protest, and I very much plan to in the near future. I would have no fear of attack for this.

[Ludwig]

Well you haven't died for your cause, whatever it might be, like you claimed you would a few posts up yet have you. I very much doubt you've been beaten or imprisoned like you claim you would eitherr

 

Not everyone sees being imprisonment as a sign of success. I know you may find that difficult to understand.

[Saint in Paradise]

Pay for my flight, I will be on the first flight to Moscow.

 

I would happily stand shoulder to shoulder with the lgbt community in Russia and spit in putins eye. If I was to be beaten, punished, imprisoned or kills then so be it.

 

You sit by on the side and say there is nothing people can do, let people carry on, personally this holds no sway with me, and I feel you are missing the point entirely. I can't help but feel you haven't actually read the letter.

 

Exactly how is shutting up going to help anything? There was a time when Darwin was called a heretic, should he have just shut up and bowed to the church?

 

Things change through the actions of brave people, anyone that has spent anytime studying any part of the history of humanity will understand this.

 

Sitting on your arse saying stop telling others to stand up for their beliefs is total cowardice. The world would be a lot worse place if it were not for people like Martin Luther king, Charles Darwin, Nelson Mandela, benazhir Bhutto, ghandi who spoke out, who went against the grain.

 

And yeah, Qatar, much like UAE are equally culparable, and I will be first in line to criticise and do anything possible to change what I can.

 

All very brave words, but I wonder what you would really do IF someone did offer to pay for your flights ?

 

Surely if you really are as strongly opposed to that Russian Law as you and Mr Fry claim to be

then you and him would use any means possible to actually go there in person and not just find

minor excuses not to. ???

 

To further use your own words:-

 

Things change through the actions of brave people. So find a way and go to Moscow then.

 

A lot of folks who fought and died in the Spanish civil war paid their own way to Spain as they strongly

believed in the cause they supported.

 

I also read the other day that even some charity workers pay their own way to go to Africa to help

and well done to them.

 

As many have said before in many different threads it is very easy to be an internet warrior - who does

not actually physically go to the real front line.

Edited 9 August, 2013 by Saint in Paradise

[Lord Duckhunter]

I have nothing against gays, why should I . They're just like anyone else. Not everybody fancies the same types. I think mrs duck is hot, some of you may think she's a *****r. Some blokes fancy blokes, some fancy fat birds, some fancy older ones. The way I have always looked at it, the more gays there are the less competition for the ladies (especially as a lot of them are better looking than me).

 

I do however, have something against fry. He's about as funny as a dose of the clap and I dont buy this bumbling upper class John le messieur act. He says take the games to Utah. What if someone writes a letter about Guantanamo, where to next. We'll end up having all sporting events in Luxembourg or some other non offensive country.

[Barry Sanchez]

All very brave words, but I wonder what you would really do IF someone did offer to pay for your flights ?

 

Surely if you really are as strongly opposed to that Russian Law as you and Mr Fry claim to be

then you and him would use any means possible to actually go there in person and not just find

minor excuses not to. ???

 

To further use your own words:-

 

Things change through the actions of brave people. So find a way and go to Moscow then.

 

A lot of folks who fought and died in the Spanish civil war paid their own way to Spain as they strongly

believed in the cause they supported.

 

I also read the other day that even some charity workers pay their own way to go to Africa to help

and well done to them.

 

As many have said before in many different threads it is very easy to be an internet warrior - who does

not actually physically go to the real front line.

 

Irrespective, your thoughts belong in the Victorian era, infact the Victorians were more enlightened.

[saintbletch]

to late for that:lol:i think ..looks like hes on a wind up:rolleyes:

 

Yes, hence my flippant response.

[Barry Sanchez]

One of my 3 posts FFS Granty I paid DAYS ago!

 

So Stephen Fry has leapt into the battle in Russia on the Gay platform. You lot have freedom of speech, so nothing to see here move along.

 

Mind you, I'm REALLY waiting to see how the PC brigade cope with the World Cup in Qatar in a few years time.

 

Let's see how the Gay Rights demands stand up when faced with VERY strongly held Religious & Cultural beliefs.

 

Will the first "Protester" to step into the fray be labelled a Racist?

 

Oh the minefields.

 

But you know what?

 

The thing that ****es the planet off more than anything else is being lectured to by "The Enlightened West"

 

Look, Gay Rights in Russia is an issue for the Russians to resolve. (Christ they have a ZILLION worse issues to resolve regarding personal freedom & rights still).

 

Rewind 30 odd years, how the hell would the Brits have felt about being lectured on THEIR internal morals and laws by some Johnny Foreigner.

 

You want to help Stephen? Then STFU and get on a plane and start working in country to change hearts and minds. It has taken a long time in the UK & US, so don't think some attention seeking rant is going to affect anything.

 

My rants never affect anything and neither do yours. We both always manage to end up looking stupid

 

Its being bound by religion, how many rich Muslims drink, gamble and then preach backward stoneage ****e to the poor over there?

Falcons and ferraris, educated in the West from oil money, that sort of says it all.

[Barry Sanchez]

I'm not homophobic; I have nothing against the gays. I just believe they have a disorder of some sort - whether that is genetic or of the brain is questionable and, sadly, proper funding into research to establish the reasons for it or potential cures will never be given or raised now that society has become so tolerant of them and deemed them 'normal'.

 

I'm not saying they are evil, should be beaten, or exterminated FFS.

 

A disorder, **** me how old are you?

 

You probably like Val Doonican cardigans and polyester trousers but others find that deeply offensive to clothing and their eyes, a disorder **** me again.

[Barry Sanchez]

You say they are born 'that way'; many of them say they knew from an early age that they were 'different' and the few that I know of wish they weren't homosexuals at all and it has caused them a life of misery. Why, then, do they go on Gay Pride marches if they wish they weren't homosexuals? It doesn't sound like they are very proud of their affliction at all.

 

I think that the reason they are born with homosexual tendencies is due to either a faulty genetic code or a mental disorder/chemical imbalance in their brains. You can tell by the way some of them act, speak and flounce that they are not right.

 

Ok, once they've been born there's not a lot you can do about them; you just have to let them get on with it with each other; this doesn't mean that their lifestyle should be promoted as 'natural' or 'normal' to children though. This is why I said the Russian law (not the beatings) was perfectly reasonable.

 

If enough money was made available for proper genetic/brain research into the causes of homosexuality, a cure could probably be found.

 

A cure for what?

[Tokyo-Saint]

I am not at all comfortable arguing on Baz's side and just to top it all Ludwig joins in! However, they are right - 100% nail on th head right. Duck hunter sums it up when he says different people fancy different stuff, one of my mates absolutely lives fat birds. He won't admit it but he is always heading home with some big girl, so what? If it was cock instead of fat would it make a difference? No, not at all.

 

The only time it is a problem is when, like pap says, someone uses their sexuality to replace their personality. That and when they want to bum where I walk my dogs but that is not because it is two guys doing it, if anyone was having sex while I was walking my dogs, it would be a bit of a hassle.

[Turkish]

I'm not saying I have.

 

But I would campaign and protest, and I very much plan to in the near future. I would have no fear of attack for this.

 

So when you said 'because I post on here I do nothing off here' you were actually right, you don't do anything off here, but you would and you're going to, hell you'd even die for your cause of you could, just not yet and damn those flight prices or you'd be in Russia right now, spitting in putins eye. For now you'll just have to be one of those brave people typing on the internet about what you would be doing if only you were able.

Edited 9 August, 2013 by Turkish

[Turkish]

Not everyone sees being imprisonment as a sign of success. I know you may find that difficult to understand.

 

Verbals son is a chip off the old block.

[Barry Sanchez]

I am not at all comfortable arguing on Baz's side and just to top it all Ludwig joins in! However, they are right - 100% nail on th head right. Duck hunter sums it up when he says different people fancy different stuff, one of my mates absolutely lives fat birds. He won't admit it but he is always heading home with some big girl, so what? If it was cock instead of fat would it make a difference? No, not at all.

 

The only time it is a problem is when, like pap says, someone uses their sexuality to replace their personality. That and when they want to bum where I walk my dogs but that is not because it is two guys doing it, if anyone was having sex while I was walking my dogs, it would be a bit of a hassle.

 

You dont have to be comforatble Tokyo, I'm not comfortable about you standing next to me but you are on the right side of the argument and that supercedes anything we think, at least your lack of human/workers rights does not spread to sexual orientation.

[Tokyo-Saint]

That's right baz. I don't care what anyone says, not on here on 606 were you were hounded out. You are not a complete cock, not a 100% bona fide one anyway, not like everyone thinks you are. At least on this thread you have shown you can be right about some things on occasions. You even managed to wind in the tedious pap baiting when minty asked. + 1 rep points.

Edited 9 August, 2013 by Tokyo-Saint

[Barry Sanchez]

That's right baz. I don't care what anyone says, not on here on on 606 were you were hounded out. You are not a complete cock, not a 100% bona fide one anyway, not like everyone thinks you are. At least on this thread you have shown you can be right about some things on occasions. You even managed to wind in the tedious pap baiting when minty asked. + 1 rep points.

 

Pap can be an odious little **** and I do have the measure of him so I shouldn't bite and should laugh it off as a child like fascination.

[buctootim]

...

[Saint in Paradise]

Irrespective, your thoughts belong in the Victorian era, infact the Victorians were more enlightened.

 

Spoken by a person who is unable to properly understand what I wrote.

 

Actually after thinking about it just shows/proves that "Barry Sanchez" is the sort of

person the writer of the phrase "There are none as dense as those that want to be"

had in mind at the time.

[Minty]

Follow-up from Fry after comments back to him: http://stephen-fry-me.tumblr.com/post/57612746754/speaking-out

 

A predictable article from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2387310/ANDREW-PIERCE-Its-preposterous-Stephen-Fry-compare-Russias-treatment-homosexuals-Holocaust.html

 

And a further reply from Fry himself: http://stephen-fry-me.tumblr.com/post/57805910021/the-daily-mail-and-lord-dacre-appeasing-again

Edited 10 August, 2013 by Minty

[DuncanRG]

I can hardly bear to read this thread.

 

The only comfort is knowing that bigots like Essruu are firmly on the wrong side of history and their repulsive views will become more and more marginal as time goes on.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Follow-up from Fry after comments back to him: http://stephen-fry-me.tumblr.com/post/57612746754/speaking-out

 

A predictable article from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2387310/ANDREW-PIERCE-Its-preposterous-Stephen-Fry-compare-Russias-treatment-homosexuals-Holocaust.html

 

And a further reply from Fry himself: http://stephen-fry-me.tumblr.com/post/57805910021/the-daily-mail-and-lord-dacre-appeasing-again

 

 

Why would you even bother trying to take on fry like that?

 

Surely you know he will run rings around you.

[DuncanRG]

And a further reply from Fry himself: http://stephen-fry-me.tumblr.com/post/57805910021/the-daily-mail-and-lord-dacre-appeasing-again

 

This, meanwhile, is absolutely fantastic.

Edited 10 August, 2013 by DuncanRG

[Jonnyboy]

This, meanwhile, is absolutely fantastic.

 

Agree very much, like the "setting up a fake coconut" comment. Just like a few people on here who seem to think most gays choose to be so just as one would choose a new pair of cool trainers.

[Grey Crab]

You say they are born 'that way'; many of them say they knew from an early age that they were 'different' and the few that I know of wish they weren't homosexuals at all and it has caused them a life of misery. Why, then, do they go on Gay Pride marches if they wish they weren't homosexuals? It doesn't sound like they are very proud of their affliction at all.

 

I think that the reason they are born with homosexual tendencies is due to either a faulty genetic code or a mental disorder/chemical imbalance in their brains. You can tell by the way some of them act, speak and flounce that they are not right.

 

Ok, once they've been born there's not a lot you can do about them; you just have to let them get on with it with each other; this doesn't mean that their lifestyle should be promoted as 'natural' or 'normal' to children though. This is why I said the Russian law (not the beatings) was perfectly reasonable.

 

If enough money was made available for proper genetic/brain research into the causes of homosexuality, a cure could probably be found.

 

You were born with a faulty genetic code that made you a moron.

[Frank's cousin]

One of my 3 posts FFS Granty I paid DAYS ago!

 

So Stephen Fry has leapt into the battle in Russia on the Gay platform. You lot have freedom of speech, so nothing to see here move along.

 

Mind you, I'm REALLY waiting to see how the PC brigade cope with the World Cup in Qatar in a few years time.

 

Let's see how the Gay Rights demands stand up when faced with VERY strongly held Religious & Cultural beliefs.

 

Will the first "Protester" to step into the fray be labelled a Racist?

 

Oh the minefields.

 

But you know what?

 

The thing that ****es the planet off more than anything else is being lectured to by "The Enlightened West"

 

Look, Gay Rights in Russia is an issue for the Russians to resolve. (Christ they have a ZILLION worse issues to resolve regarding personal freedom & rights still).

 

Rewind 30 odd years, how the hell would the Brits have felt about being lectured on THEIR internal morals and laws by some Johnny Foreigner.

 

You want to help Stephen? Then STFU and get on a plane and start working in country to change hearts and minds. It has taken a long time in the UK & US, so don't think some attention seeking rant is going to affect anything.

 

My rants never affect anything and neither do yours. We both always manage to end up looking stupid

 

Like Apartheid should have been left to the South Africans and we should all just have sent our sportsmen and women? Come on DP, the principle IS the same - the difference is only in the way people view racial prejudice v prejudice against other minorities.... The saddest part in all this is political hypocrissy shown by Govenernments - our and others happy to brush such things under the carpet in fear of offending powerful, strategically improtant or commercially sensitive countries - happy to criticise ethinic cleaning in former Yugoslavia because 'who the feck are they'? Criticise Chinese human rights? Nah.... and Canerons wresponse was as pathetic as it was predictable.

[SO16_Saint]

Fry does realise that there is a n international event taking part in Russia NOW I assume?

[pap]

Like Apartheid should have been left to the South Africans and we should all just have sent our sportsmen and women? Come on DP' date=' the principle IS the same - the difference is only in the way people view racial prejudice v prejudice against other minorities.... The saddest part in all this is political hypocrissy shown by Govenernments - our and others happy to brush such things under the carpet in fear of offending powerful, strategically improtant or commercially sensitive countries - happy to criticise ethinic cleaning in former Yugoslavia because 'who the feck are they'? Criticise Chinese human rights? Nah.... and Canerons wresponse was as pathetic as it was predictable.[/quote']

 

I'm not sure that the principle is exactly the same as apartheid. From reports, it sounds like the implementation of the law is much harsher than the law itself. I personally do not agree with it, but a majority of Russians do, then I agree with Phil. Who are we to say any different?

 

Contrast that with apartheid. The vast majority of the populace were being discriminated against and had no legal recourse to change their situation. If they so desire, the Russian people can put pressure on their own government to have this law repealed. Black South Africans never had a similar path to resolution.

 

I do agree with a lot of the substance of your later points. There is a massive amount of hypocrisy when attempting to apply our own standards to our mates, which seems directly proportional to how many goodies we get from them. The treatment of women in Saudi Arabia is scandalous from our perspective. As a nation which upholds the principle that women should be treated equally to men, we should be screaming about this every day. After all, a much greater proportion of the Saudi population are affected by their social attitudes. We're not doing that, because Saudi are just too damn useful to upset.

 

The criticism of Russia is just another jab in a decades-old long propaganda war. The only reason it's an issue is because it is Russia. Far greater crimes are occurring around the world, whether it's human rights abuses in China, female castration, honour killings, tribal civil wars, child soldiers etc, etc. Any Western society that was legitimately concerned about human rights would, to my mind, focus their attentions to issues based on the amount of human suffering that can be resolved as a result. While I acknowledge that homosexuals in Russia must be having a bad time relative to their Western counterparts, it wouldn't be first of my list of "world sh!t to sort out". The fact that this story has received so much airtime suggests that this is international political point scoring rather than genuine concern.

 

Incidentally, the exact same thing is happening in reverse. Head over to RT and you'll find an almost unending stream of negative stories about the US. This is just another shot in a cultural hot war.

[dubai_phil]

Like Apartheid should have been left to the South Africans and we should all just have sent our sportsmen and women? Come on DP' date=' the principle IS the same - the difference is only in the way people view racial prejudice v prejudice against other minorities.... The saddest part in all this is political hypocrissy shown by Govenernments - our and others happy to brush such things under the carpet in fear of offending powerful, strategically improtant or commercially sensitive countries - happy to criticise ethinic cleaning in former Yugoslavia because 'who the feck are they'? Criticise Chinese human rights? Nah.... and Canerons wresponse was as pathetic as it was predictable.[/quote']

 

Frank.

1) Which is the most pressing issue in Russia right now that impacts on the PEOPLE of Russia?

Is it basic Human Rights? Is it the Corruption at every level? Is it the failure and "non-clarity" in their election process? Is it the closed door old school network where Putin's wife holds most of the import licences for technical items and is ripping off the citizens? Is it the Mafia? Is it the 100's of millions (possibly billions) of Roubles of The PEOPLE'S TAX Revenues that have been fraudulently abused in the building of the Olympics in Sochi? Is it the rights of the families of Sochi who were forcibly removed from their properties that were then flipped at huge profits?

If you ask Russians, then they have a complete package of grievances that they want help with, NOT this one issue. Culturally Russia (and many other Nations) are not as tolerant & understanding on Gay Rights as the UK & the US have become.

Fry had a far more valid cause to cancel/boycott the Olympics just in the corruption and theft of public money, Russians from outside Moscow would have been less "offended" by somebody sticking their nose into their business.

 

The POINT is that the people need to drive change, Fry views the world through rose tinted glasses on this subject, it has caused reasoned debate IN THE WEST, but has upset a lot of people who do not YET understand this issue. Yes you have to start somewhere, but at least with that Russian Pop Group the International outrage when they were jailed had SOME support & understanding of the issues in country.

 

Education is needed to get the PEOPLE to understand and to help them to make the pressure for change. Attention seeking letters and standing in Red Square with a megaphone surrounded by snappers from the British Press don't hack it.

 

2) My call about the WC in Qatar is valid and posts a dilemna. UK is (allegedly) a Christian Country but tolerates the belief systems of others. Speaking out about injustice or quirks with other Religions or beliefs can cause you a problem. A large number of people in the UK are not practicing Christians. In the same way that many Citizens of The Middle East, Malaysia etc are not practicing Muslims. To argue as Borey did that many Arabs drink and smoke and have sex out of wedlock is a shallow argument to say the least.

 

In Qatar, it will be illegal for a football fan to travel & stay in the same hotel room as their Girlfriend. It will also be illegal (with the threat of the Death Penalty at worst or Lashes at best) for two Gays to attend the World Cup and exercise their Western Human Rights to even hold hands in public.

Consumption of Alcohol is ILLEGAL in Qatar without an Alcohol Licence (as in the UAE) yet unless you are a Resident you cannot get a Licence

 

These issues are at the core of their Islamic Culture and Identity, yet are Alien to the Rights that Western Football fans enjoy & expect.

 

They should be equally protested against. The WC in Qatar SHOULD be boycotted on these issues.

 

Yet the problem THEN is that whoever writes that letter to Cameron (or his successor) will be criticising a Religion & it's belief systems. That is "Racist" ie non-PC.

 

Which means it will not happen.

 

Where were Fry & Tatchell when Iran hung Gays over the past 10 years? Nowhere to be seen, certainly not in the street with megaphones. One then asks were they too afraid to upset the "Tolerate everything done in the name of Race or Religion" or was it simply that there were no press cameras in range?

 

We understand and tolerate Gays now in the West, it did not happen JUST because of some people chained to railings, it happened because of Education as well.

 

The Gay issue in Russia needs the People to better understand it.

 

(This rant was brought to you after drinking beers on Friday with expat Russian friends from Rostov, Sochi & Vladivostock who don't (yet) get it)

[aintforever]

It's hard to argue with what Fry says. It's time our country grew some balls and stood up for what's right.

 

Quatar sounds like the worst place in the World to host a World Cup, there needs to be a full investigation into how this backward sh!thole won the right to host it. Obviously back-handers were involved.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

So when you said 'because I post on here I do nothing off here' you were actually right, you don't do anything off here, but you would and you're going to, hell you'd even die for your cause of you could, just not yet and damn those flight prices or you'd be in Russia right now, spitting in putins eye. For now you'll just have to be one of those brave people typing on the internet about what you would be doing if only you were able.

 

I love how you call others keyboard warriors.

 

Swf's self-styled hard man, undefeated in "mboard" rucks in however many years.

 

You are just so big and scary.