Who is to blame for the Summer of inactivity?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Who is the Don ?

 

Cortese

 

Edited 7 August, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint

[Barry Sanchez]

You haven't made a very positive "first" impression have you?

 

For what it's worth Eurosaint talks sense, you don't!

 

Deal with it...

 

I for one think Jeff is a legend, I am currently thinking what he looks like and me and the wife are going to cut his face into our hedges later..........................

[Dalek2003]

Cortese

 

Cheers.

[stug76]

It's not about taking me seriously, it's about replying in a mature way, debating the points, rather than throwing out insults. But I suppose if you find that difficult then insults are the only retort the Jeremy Kyle generation can muster.

 

Whoops!

 

So Jeff, is this a new identity? Have you been here before?

[S-Clarke]

Whoops!

 

So Jeff, is this a new identity? Have you been here before?

 

Think it's Dune.

[Barry Sanchez]

Think it's Dune.

 

I thought I was Dune, mild bullying from the sandal crowd yet again.

[Batman]

I'm dune

[Glasgow_Saint]

I'm dune

 

No youre dullday aka delldays aka Jamie aka Brett from Camden

[Barry Sanchez]

I'm dune

 

You batman are the reason we all are grateful.

[eurosaint]

If you're 64 you really should have a better handle on your emotions and learn how to speak to people politley and eruditely. Don't just throw out insults to those that have a different opinion to you. You're never too old to learn how to speak to people correctly.

 

I think someone should be blamed for not getting a striker in on time for pre-season. We need to hit the floor running and this was one of the pre-requisites needed for this season.

 

You still haven't told me how old you are ??

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You still haven't told me how old you are ??

 

Why do your want to know, so you can try to discriminate people's opinion by age?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You haven't made a very positive "first" impression have you?

 

For what it's worth Eurosaint talks sense, you don't!

 

Deal with it...

 

I agree, it doesn't look like I have, but then I never realised that a forum was such a hostile place, especially talking to other fans of the same club.

 

I just cannot fathom what was so massively disagreeable about what I said.

Edited 7 August, 2013 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Bearsy]

I just cannot fathom what was so massively disagreeable about what I said.

 

srsly? even i saw it coming. Also on this thread I've seen 10 different people tell you in 10 different ways.

[Barry Sanchez]

I agree, it doesn't, but then I never realised that a forum was such a hostile place, especially talking to other fans of the same club.

 

I just cannot fathom what was so massively disagreeable about what I said.

 

Jeff, Jeff you're alright me old son, dont listen to them, they thrive on honest opinions being given, they then in turn spray vitriol of a horrific kind with anything they dont agree with, the lowest level of bodyguard for Cortese and the regime.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

srsly? even i saw it coming. Also on this thread I've seen 10 different people tell you in 10 different ways.

 

What I don't understand, and something that no-one has been able to tell me is why it is justified to speak in that way over a not overly controversial opinion. Perhaps you could help tell me why it is justified.

[Bearsy]

What I don't understand, and something that no-one has been able to tell me is why it is justified to speak in that way over a not overly controversial opinion. Perhaps you could help tell me why it is justified.

 

Yeah sure, I ain't saying any of it is justified but i can tell you why you got angar responses.

 

Let's say we were neighbours. I find a dink in my car and I reckon you probably done it when reversing your transit van. I come round your house and say to you and your missus, "Which of you two is to blame for the dent in my motor?"

 

You'd probably think I was being a dick, right? Especially if you didn't agree with my opinion that you dinged my motor. We'd probably have words, and then i would mess you up bad cos I'm proper hard like.

 

This is what you done originally, you had an opinion that we were inactive, but phrased it like it was an accepted fact and started pointing the finger. You've watered down a couple of times since, but you're still dressing your opinions as facts.

 

That said, you might have got off lighter if the mods on here were any more awake and bothered fixing thread titles. Honestly, no-one reads the whole thread to find out if you've made adendums to your original statements. Except me in this instance, cos I had nothing better to do, but work.

Edited 7 August, 2013 by Bearsy

[Mallagroth]

Yeah sure, I ain't saying any of it is justified but i can tell you why you got angar responses.

 

Let's say we were neighbours. I find a dink in my car and I reckon you probably done it when reversing your transit van. I come round your house and say to you and your missus, "Which of you two is to blame for the dent in my motor?"

 

You'd probably think I was being a dick, right? Especially if you didn't agree with my opinion that you dinged my motor. We'd probably have words, and then i would mess you up bad cos I'm proper hard like.

 

This is what you done originally, you had an opinion that we were inactive, but phrased it like it was an accepted fact and started pointing the finger. You've watered down a couple of times since, but you're still dressing your opinions as facts.

 

That said, you might have got off lighter if the mods on here were any more awake and bothered fixing thread titles. Honestly, no-one reads the whole thread to find out if you've made adendums to your original statements. Except me in this instance, cos I had nothing better to do, but work.

 

This is about the jist of it Jeff, don't worry about it, no one will remember this thread in a couple of weeks.

[Minty]

Cripes Bearsy, that was almost a serious response, which I presume came from a serious thought... I thought you hadn't had one of them since 1997?

 

Anyway, Bearsy is spot on... Jeff, you're looking to blame someone for something that most people don't even think has gone wrong yet. You have an opinion that we should've signed a striker by now. You're absolutely entitled to that opinion. But when clearly most other people are at the very least waiting to see who we do sign, and are not making final judgements about our transfer activity until the end of the transfer window (and even then, who we sign is no guarantee of anything... it'll be our performances on the pitch that ultimately guide most peoples judgements on whether our transfer activity was good enough), then surely... SURELY... you can see why your assertion that someone needs to be blamed, now, for something only a small number of people think is a problem, is a little premature at best, and entirely unfair at worst?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Yeah sure, I ain't saying any of it is justified but i can tell you why you got angar responses.

 

Let's say we were neighbours. I find a dink in my car and I reckon you probably done it when reversing your transit van. I come round your house and say to you and your missus, "Which of you two is to blame for the dent in my motor?"

 

You'd probably think I was being a dick, right? Especially if you didn't agree with my opinion that you dinged my motor. We'd probably have words, and then i would mess you up bad cos I'm proper hard like.

 

This is what you done originally, you had an opinion that we were inactive, but phrased it like it was an accepted fact and started pointing the finger. You've watered down a couple of times since, but you're still dressing your opinions as facts.

 

That said, you might have got off lighter if the mods on here were any more awake and bothered fixing thread titles. Honestly, no-one reads the whole thread to find out if you've made adendums to your original statements. Except me in this instance, cos I had nothing better to do, but work.

 

Cool, ta Bearsy.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Cripes Bearsy, that was almost a serious response, which I presume came from a serious thought... I thought you hadn't had one of them since 1997?

 

Anyway, Bearsy is spot on... Jeff, you're looking to blame someone for something that most people don't even think has gone wrong yet. You have an opinion that we should've signed a striker by now. You're absolutely entitled to that opinion. But when clearly most other people are at the very least waiting to see who we do sign, and are not making final judgements about our transfer activity until the end of the transfer window (and even then, who we sign is no guarantee of anything... it'll be our performances on the pitch that ultimately guide most peoples judgements on whether our transfer activity was good enough), then surely... SURELY... you can see why your assertion that someone needs to be blamed, now, for something only a small number of people think is a problem, is a little premature at best, and entirely unfair at worst?

 

Perhaps, and thanks for the considered response. I am happy to hold my hands and admit I am wrong, I just personally think we have made a mistake not having the desired players in before pre-season.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Despite what alpine might tell you, no one wants us to sign players late on.

 

Of course in an ideal world all signings would be done prior to the players coming back for pre-season.

 

Sadly, in the real world things just are not that simple, one only needs to look at the amount of transfers at the end of the window to understand this.

 

Saints are not the only team that suffer from this problem.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Despite what alpine might tell you, no one wants us to sign players late on.

 

Of course in an ideal world all signings would be done prior to the players coming back for pre-season.

 

Sadly, in the real world things just are not that simple, one only needs to look at the amount of transfers at the end of the window to understand this.

 

Saints are not the only team that suffer from this problem.

 

I realise that, and mostly that's due to players being involved in transfer 'chains'. However, with us it looks like that's not true, with Damiao and Osvaldo apparently turning us down. It would have been done prior to pre-season if they were interested, which says to me that perhaps we've targeted the incorrect players.

[NickG]

Perhaps, and thanks for the considered response. I am happy to hold my hands and admit I am wrong, I just personally think we have made a mistake not having the desired players in before pre-season.

 

Puts you apart from the three or fours trolls who clearly losing any rationale debate, ignore reasoned posts that undermine their jumbled thinking, go around in circles but failed to admit they are wrong.

 

Glad several agreed with my points earlier, sorry there were a couple of typos as was doing several things at once and typing on phone.

 

Still gave Baz excuse not to answer any of points made but moan about typos and too long for him to follow! Lol.

 

Rare to see him, Glasgow or Alpine to discuss, just disrespect other views and moan.

 

I am happy supporting saints - if I wasn't I'd stop, its not compulsory.

 

I also celebrate when we do well.

 

Personally being realistic and happy clapper isn't an insult.

 

Cant see how it would be?

 

Can see how being miserable, negative and consistently proven to be unrealistic due to pessimism could be.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I realise that, and mostly that's due to players being involved in transfer 'chains'. However, with us it looks like that's not true, with Damiao and Osvaldo apparently turning us down. It would have been done prior to pre-season if they were interested, which says to me that perhaps we've targeted the incorrect players.

 

The problem is, these assumptions are based mostly on speculation. Certainly in the case of Damaio.

 

We also don't know the full circumstances of these players, and our other targets

I personally find it doubtful (in the overwhelming majority of cases) that clubs have a single target for a given position to strengthen - the DMs linked already this summer, as well as a number is strikers linked too.

 

We're not always aware of all the targets, not too many people saw the Lovren signing coming.just because there is a lack of gossip, doesn't mean there is a lack of activity. I think this has been intensified by a generally slow window across the board, and the domination of the bale/Rooney/Suarez sagas.

[eurosaint]

Perhaps, and thanks for the considered response. I am happy to hold my hands and admit I am wrong, I just personally think we have made a mistake not having the desired players in before pre-season.

 

Minty is the king of considered responses (that is a constant!) and maybe I have misjudged you, if so, I apologise, I just got the impression that you were a WUM like Barry, Glasgow, Alpine and Dalek etc, !!

I asked your age, not to condemn you but to have some understanding of your background, nothing more, my assumption is that you are quite young therefore you misjudged the reaction to this thread which many perceived as provocative !

Anyway, welcome to SWF, I'm sure that you'll get to grips with the style, given time !!

[Barry Sanchez]

Puts you apart from the three or fours trolls who clearly losing any rationale debate, ignore reasoned posts that undermine their jumbled thinking, go around in circles but failed to admit they are wrong.

 

Glad several agreed with my points earlier, sorry there were a couple of typos as was doing several things at once and typing on phone.

 

Still gave Baz excuse not to answer any of points made but moan about typos and too long for him to follow! Lol.

 

Rare to see him, Glasgow or Alpine to discuss, just disrespect other views and moan.

 

I am happy supporting saints - if I wasn't I'd stop, its not compulsory.

 

I also celebrate when we do well.

 

Personally being realistic and happy clapper isn't an insult.

 

Cant see how it would be?

 

Can see how being miserable, negative and consistently proven to be unrealistic due to pessimism could be.

 

 

Great post Nick you tell em, hold on.......................

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Minty is the king of considered responses (that is a constant!) and maybe I have misjudged you, if so, I apologise, I just got the impression that you were a WUM like Barry, Glasgow, Alpine and Dalek etc, !!

I asked your age, not to condemn you but to have some understanding of your background, nothing more, my assumption is that you are quite young therefore you misjudged the reaction to this thread which many perceived as provocative !

Anyway, welcome to SWF, I'm sure that you'll get to grips with the style, given time !!

 

Cheers eurosaint. For your information I am 29, so relatively young...compared to some

[Colinjb]

Cheers eurosaint. For your information I am 29, so relatively young...compared to some

 

Not such a bad age. Welcome to the forum.

[eurosaint]

Cheers eurosaint. For your information I am 29, so relatively young...compared to some

 

About the same age as my son then, not to worry, he has his silly moments and most of the time thinks that I am a total prat !

C'est la vie... best advice on these type of websites is never to take things personally and always wear a hard hat when you stick your head out of the trench

[Minty]

Wow... a thread that actually came back down to relative normalness having been up in the echelons of WUMmery, abuse and name-calling! Is that a first?!?

 

Fair play to Jeff. As mentioned, at least he can take a bit on the chin and remain considered himself. Welcome along.

[eurosaint]

Wow... a thread that actually came back down to relative normalness having been up in the echelons of WUMmery, abuse and name-calling! Is that a first?!?

 

Fair play to Jeff. As mentioned, at least he can take a bit on the chin and remain considered himself. Welcome along.

 

As ever Minty, the voice of reason, you should have been a vicar you know

[Dig Dig]

Now Minty and Euro are ruining the thread! We are all rubbish at the forum thing

[Minty]

Now Minty and Euro are ruining the thread!

 

Sorry...

[Toadhall Saint]

Sorry...

 

Now that is a rarely used word in these parts

[Viking Warrior]

Jeff I do not want to sound rude but you come across as alpines older brother without his abuse and obscenities . Right back to the thread . I'm a happy clapper and cannot see any negligence in the clubs inability to sign a striker.

I'm a patient about the process . Yes it would have been better to secure a player sooner rather than later . However I am of the believe it is the resistence of other clubs and agents who are holding up our potential signings and not Nicole

[Gambol2K9]

In reply to your question, not for the lack of activity, but for the lack of striker in time for pre-season, yes.

 

See this is the problem, signing players in real life isn't the same as signing them on Football Manager, it's not a quick simple progress. Most deals are done at the back end of the transfer window as players want to hold out for the best option to become available.

 

It's very unlikely for a team like Saints to clinch a top signing as soon as the window opens. Would you rather we had panicked and got in an average player asap or held out and gone after some more ambitious targets?

[Chewy]

See this is the problem, signing players in real life isn't the same as signing them on Football Manager, it's not a quick simple progress. Most deals are done at the back end of the transfer window as players want to hold out for the best option to become available.

 

It's very unlikely for a team like Saints to clinch a top signing as soon as the window opens. Would you rather we had panicked and got in an average player asap or held out and gone after some more ambitious targets?

 

Well, according to some signing Gary hooper would have made this a successful transfer window ...

[dronskisaint]

Jeff, Jeff you're alright me old son, dont listen to them, they thrive on honest opinions being given, they then in turn spray vitriol of a horrific kind with anything they dont agree with, the lowest level of bodyguard for Cortese and the regime.

 

You don't count skatey, he said fans of the same club....unless you and he carry your love-in westwards down the M27 together?

[alpine_saint]

Jeff I do not want to sound rude but you come across as alpines older brother without his abuse and obscenities .

 

Yep, keep peddling the myth.

[Viking Warrior]

Alpine

 

Wheres your sense of humour , dont take everything literally , Mind you you can be abusive and you do use a lot of expletives.

 

Now chill out

 

Mike

[The9]

So, remind me who is to blame again ?

[Cascadia Saint]

So, remind me who is to blame again ?

 

That bloke who keeps ruining our chances of signing anyone with his refusal to negotiate with anyone. Made people cry. Can't remember his name now. Complete banker if I recall correctly.

[NickG]

For me Pochettino's reputation or lack off is the number one reason we haven't moved faster on signings. I am concerned that none of the Spanish players he was reputed to be after have shown any interest or rejected linking up with him.. That includes former players who played for him. He will need to show big results before players and proof of getting where our ambitions state before players will come

 

I wouldnt describe the summer transfer results as "inactivity"; we signed two good players we needed, but the fact remains that the job NC and MoPo set themselves is not completed. I think, just like last summer, NC goes OTT with the desire to play flair football and goes after silly unrealistic targets when he thinks of attacking.

 

And again, for the second time today, I really am disappointed at what MoPo has brought in terms of contacts to the transfer game.

 

I also dont think it will happen now; there is simply too little in the way of rumours going round, too little activity at Ground Zero, so to speak.

 

I think maybe NC and MoPo have given up now it is clear they wont land Damiao, Banega or Osvaldo; maybe after the Austrian trip they think Isgrove has a bigger role to play than originally thought.

 

You fool.

 

The season starts in less than 2 weeks, and some of the winnable games are in the first few weeks. Its not just about the window closing, we've basically not got in the people we needed quick enough to maximise our points from the relatively easy early run of games.

 

But didn't I say this would be the case back in May ?

 

I am not down about it. I think we are a 'yoyo' team and would be happy to see us bounce back from the championship.

 

You are right but we are not them either which makes it worse. The EPL seems to be losing it's allure and one is bound to wondre if foreign players are put off by our weather, our press or just the now EPL habit of hire / fire players and managers alike where contracts mean ziltch and loyalty counts for nothing.

 

On the other hand Cortese & Pochettino have done themselves and us no favours by suggesting that they know what they are doing and big names can be expected and it's only a matter of time and patience.... I'll bet in closed offices at SMS some choice language is to be heard and if nothing else happens on the transfer front this year somebody will be held culpable and to account especially ITSHTP after 4 or 5 games and we are in the bottom three.

 

This was my concern. none of his past players want to link up with him again..... Why?

 

Add this to the rumour about player unrest at SFC towards the end of season + the alarming change in team/player form (last 6 games) and things start to unravel.

 

Or is it me doing 2+2 and getting 5?

 

Yet again, I was lambasted in May for my predictions of the usual underwhelming summer transfer season. Now I see people are all singing the chorus to the tune I was singing on my own.

 

Hard to say how many were on wind up, as being wrong once happens - but every year?

 

early business, players fans wanted, not sort comings overlooked - and MP's attraction as a manager the clincher.

[itchen]

Hard to say how many were on wind up, as being wrong once happens - but every year?

 

early business, players fans wanted, not sort comings overlooked - and MP's attraction as a manager the clincher.

 

I genuinely hope that they all were on a wind up. If not, I hope the rest of their daily lives aren't as miserable and negative as those aspects involving Southampton FC. But, come the next transfer window, they'll be there again with the same whining wind-uppery. Mind you, I don't think we'll be doing much buying come January after this superb summer of quality coming in and the tying down of our existing stars on long contracts,

[Professor]

Hard to say how many were on wind up, as being wrong once happens - but every year?

 

early business, players fans wanted, not sort comings overlooked - and MP's attraction as a manager the clincher.

Three Champions League quality signings - just what many asked for. No credit to those who ask for nothing but then praise the club after the event.

[Red and White Army]

I know the Summer isn't over, but with no new winger and no second striker, and further to that no credible rumours at the moment, but I am worried that our business will be too little, too late.

 

I would like to know who bears the responsibility for this. For me it has to be Cortese, he should have learnt from last Summers delayed business, and if he believes we can kick on to challenge for top 8 with this squad I think he will be sadly mistaken.

 

Don't you look like a complete cock now?

[Seaford Saint]

Don't you look like a complete cock now?

 

He asked the correct question in my opinion.

[Daren W]

He asked the correct question in my opinion.

 

Only about 3 weeks too early....

[trousers]

He asked the correct question in my opinion.

 

Eric Morecambe: "I'm playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order"

[eurosaint]

He asked the correct question in my opinion.

 

I cannot for the life of me understand why " who is to blame for our summer of inactivity " is the correct question ??