paulwantsapint Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 As much as I don't really care how or who scores for saints do/should different postions have goal targets? Back 4 as it stands Clyne, chambers, Fonte, jos, Yoshida, lovern, shaw, fox aim 10 goals Midfield as it stands Morgan, cork, wanyama, davis, jwp aim 15 goals Attacking mid as it stands Gaston, lallana, puncheon, isgrove, guly aim 20 goals Strikers as it stands Lambert, Rodriguez, mayuka aim 30 goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Jesus wept- you do realise that 75 goals is top two form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 More like 5/5/15/20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Would expect the AMC area to hit 10 goals max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 As much as I don't really care how or who scores for saints do/should different postions have goal targets? Back 4 as it stands Clyne, chambers, Fonte, jos, Yoshida, lovern, shaw, fox aim 10 goals Midfield as it stands Morgan, cork, wanyama, davis, jwp aim 15 goals Attacking mid as it stands Gaston, lallana, puncheon, isgrove, guly aim 20 goals Strikers as it stands Lambert, Rodriguez, mayuka aim 30 goals a bit optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Jesus wept- you do realise that 75 goals is top two form? Pretty much although only 2 teams those being Manchester United 1st and Chelsea 3rd scored 75 Premier League goals last season. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Premier_League For info Saints got 49. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 All targets need to be ambitious. None of the individual targets in that the OP has written are completely inconceivable (e.g. asking the forwards to aim for 30 goals is ambitious, but could be achieved if we have a superb season). If we were to have targets of, say, 5/10/15/20, we'd only really be aim to repeat last season's form. The OP's 10/15/20/30 is probably 30-50% more than we could hope for, but does give each area of the squad an ambitious and potentially achievable target to aim for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 All targets need to be ambitious. None of the individual targets in that the OP has written are completely inconceivable (e.g. asking the forwards to aim for 30 goals is ambitious, but could be achieved if we have a superb season). If we were to have targets of, say, 5/10/15/20, we'd only really be aim to repeat last season's form. The OP's 10/15/20/30 is probably 30-50% more than we could hope for, but does give each area of the squad an ambitious and potentially achievable target to aim for. They set targets similar to those where I work, hence why we don't achieve them often either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Saints fan delusion in full effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 If we as a team can better last year total with 10% that gives us 54-55 goals which will go a long way this season cause I cant see us concede as many this year. So that´s the aim I should be looking at.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 I doubt we'll score as many as last season. Not sure what our goals per game ratio was with Adkins Vs Pochettino, but I would hazard a guess we've scored far less and conceded less with Pochettino in charge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Without wanting negative football, the facts are that a clean sheet is worth more points than scoring two goals over the life of the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Jesus wept- you do realise that 75 goals is top two form? LOL, if we score anywhere near that I'd expect us to be in the top 4 ! I'd say, 4 / 8 / 12 / 20 (at best) unless we sign some spice for our final 3rd play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 As targets they seem reasonable. Especially in isolation, I expect that all the defenders would fancy their chances of chipping in with a couple of goals, midfielders 3 or 4, attacking midfielders 5-7 and the forwards would be aiming to get 30 between them. The likelihood of everyone hitting their target is remote but as targets they work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 As targets they seem reasonable. Especially in isolation, I expect that all the defenders would fancy their chances of chipping in with a couple of goals, midfielders 3 or 4, attacking midfielders 5-7 and the forwards would be aiming to get 30 between them. The likelihood of everyone hitting their target is remote but as targets they work. Point taken but the TARGETS set from OP are 26 goals more than we managed last season, without signing any attacking minded players not sure they are reasonable, maybe another 5-10 extra but 26, not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 I think ten from the back four is pretty realistic - lets face it Jos will get 5 on his own...! Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 As targets they seem reasonable. Especially in isolation, I expect that all the defenders would fancy their chances of chipping in with a couple of goals, midfielders 3 or 4, attacking midfielders 5-7 and the forwards would be aiming to get 30 between them. The likelihood of everyone hitting their target is remote but as targets they work. So you think it's reasonable to set a target that your yourself admit the chase of hitting are remote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saint Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 So you think it's reasonable to set a target that your yourself admit the chase of hitting are remote? That's not the point though. His point being that, in isolation, these targets are attainable. Although the probability of all being achieved is less likely. If you asked each player their individual goal targets for the coming season, the total number would more than likely exceed 75. For example: Lambert may be aiming for 15-20 goals, Jrod 8-12, Mayuka 6-8, and the same applies to the rest. And as individual targets this may certainly be feasible, and the same can be said when refining targets to positions. But as we know there are many variables in football, including form and injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 So you think it's reasonable to set a target that your yourself admit the chase of hitting are remote? As Super_Saint and I explained, when you break it down the numbers are probably not that far away from the targets that the players themselves would expect at the start at the season. Not every player will realise their own targets, some will but most probably wont. As a group it's very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 (edited) As Super_Saint and I explained, when you break it down the numbers are probably not that far away from the targets that the players themselves would expect at the start at the season. Not every player will realise their own targets, some will but most probably wont. As a group it's very unlikely. Oh I get it, so it'll be okay if everyone misses their target by a small amount, that doesn't matter, ie Lambert scores 16 instead of 18, Rodriguez 7 instead of 10, Ramirez and Lallana 5 instead of 7 a few goals each is nothing, except of course for Clyne who scored 2 instead of 1 and Isgove who no one thought would score any but managed to get one. some people will have hit their own target most wont have, but it wont matter because its only by a small amount they missed by and wed have missed the overall collective target by a country mile, but thwt doesnt matter because there was no chance of hitting it anyway. Brilliant stuff. Edited 4 August, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Oh I get it, so it'll be okay if everyone misses their target by a small amount, that doesn't matter, ie Lambert scores 16 instead of 18, Rodriguez 7 instead of 10, Ramirez and Lallana 5 instead of 7 a few goals each is nothing, except of course for Clyne who scored 2 instead of 1 and Isgove who no one thought would score any but managed to get one. some people will have hit their own target most wont have, but it wont matter because its only by a small amount they missed by and wed have missed the overall collective target by a country mile, but thwt doesnt matter because there was no chance of hitting it anyway. Brilliant stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 no team is going to drastically score 25+ more goals without spending serious cash upfront alone. Will man city score 25 more goals than last season. Highly doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Oh I get it, so it'll be okay if everyone misses their target by a small amount, that doesn't matter, ie Lambert scores 16 instead of 18, Rodriguez 7 instead of 10, Ramirez and Lallana 5 instead of 7 a few goals each is nothing, except of course for Clyne who scored 2 instead of 1 and Isgove who no one thought would score any but managed to get one. some people will have hit their own target most wont have, but it wont matter because its only by a small amount they missed by and wed have missed the overall collective target by a country mile, but thwt doesnt matter because there was no chance of hitting it anyway. Brilliant stuff. You're probably right, it doesn't matter what a few guys on a forum think. Just out of interest, what targets, if any, would you set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 You're probably right, it doesn't matter what a few guys on a forum think. Just out of interest, what targets, if any, would you set? 10 more goals max I would have thought. we are suddenly NOT going to play more forwards instead of defenders, so I doubt lambert AND A N Other will be on the pitch together a great deal. throw in being more tighter at the back, compared to the 1st half of last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 This forum gives me faith Harry Potter exists.................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 10 more goals max I would have thought. we are suddenly NOT going to play more forwards instead of defenders, so I doubt lambert AND A N Other will be on the pitch together a great deal. throw in being more tighter at the back, compared to the 1st half of last season 10 more goals as a collective seems like a reasonable target, but the op was about setting targets for different sections of the team. An additional 10 goals would mean setting a target of 1 goal per outfield player over the course of the season, say 1 for the defenders, 2 for the DM, 3 for the AM and 4 for the forwards - does that seem reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 It doesn't work like that though. It's a team game. We will be lucky to keep it tighter at the back and score 10 more league goals. Basically, we will need to have a van persie, bale or Suarez to even get close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 I think we are talking at odds slightly, I was talking about setting targets for the team either as individuals, sections or as the team as a whole. You seem to be trying to predict the amount of goals that we will score which is slightly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 It's the other end we need to change. All good teams are built on solid defences, so get that sorted (which it looks like we're close to doing) then we don't need to score any more than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 As much as I don't really care how or who scores for saints do/should different postions have goal targets? Back 4 as it stands Clyne, chambers, Fonte, jos, Yoshida, lovern, shaw, fox aim 10 goals Midfield as it stands Morgan, cork, wanyama, davis, jwp aim 15 goals Attacking mid as it stands Gaston, lallana, puncheon, isgrove, guly aim 20 goals Strikers as it stands Lambert, Rodriguez, mayuka aim 30 goals Not even my FM team are this good. You're having a laugh mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saint Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 I think people are missing the point here. The original poster is not necessarily proposing that we hit the overall collective, if that was the case, he would have said so explicitly. He divided the team categorically. And it's certainly feasible when looking at each section of the team individually. It's like I mentioned previously, if you take the individual players goal targets for the coming season, the overall amount would probably exceed 75. What do we say? Hang on a minute Gaston, the overall collective exceeded the probable amount; you're going to have to lower your target from 8 to 3. No, you come to the realisation that there are too many variables in football. And ultimately some players won’t achieve these goals due to poor form or injuries. That's probability. When you look at the broader spectrum it becomes less likely that every target will be achieved. Surely people are not asserting that it's unreasonable if Lambert aimed for 15, Rodrigues 10, and Mayuka 5? In short, take the positional goals into account and ask yourself whether they can be accomplished. Just completely disregard the total. Are they reasonable ambitions? I would say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 You're probably right, it doesn't matter what a few guys on a forum think. Just out of interest, what targets, if any, would you set? Point one, yes it doesn't matter what we say on here. However, i wouldn't set facious targets based on ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 (edited) It's not feasible that we will score 26 more goals. No teams do that So, no matter how you justify it by saying the defence needs a few more, cork and Morgan need 10 more It won't happen. Unless we play like idiots and ultimately get relegated Edited 5 August, 2013 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 I think people are missing the point here. The original poster is not necessarily proposing that we hit the overall collective, if that was the case, he would have said so explicitly. He divided the team categorically. And it's certainly feasible when looking at each section of the team individually. It's like I mentioned previously, if you take the individual players goal targets for the coming season, the overall amount would probably exceed 75. What do we say? Hang on a minute Gaston, the overall collective exceeded the probable amount; you're going to have to lower your target from 8 to 3. No, you come to the realisation that there are too many variables in football. And ultimately some players won’t achieve these goals due to poor form or injuries. That's probability. When you look at the broader spectrum it becomes less likely that every target will be achieved. Surely people are not asserting that it's unreasonable if Lambert aimed for 15, Rodrigues 10, and Mayuka 5? In short, take the positional goals into account and ask yourself whether they can be accomplished. Just completely disregard the total. Are they reasonable ambitions? I would say yes. Who on here is going to be saying "hang on a minute Gaston" about anything? This is a football forum. Setting a target of 75 goals is retarded however anyone tries to slice it and dice it. Hey, it's merely one goal in every half of football we play. Thats not unreasonable is it Hmmm? Hmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Agree Super_Saint. The OP doesn't mention the number 75, just targets for each area of the squad. Those targets are very ambitious, but possibly obtainable. The strikers might well have an awful season, and only net 15 goals between them. But if the defenders scored, say, 12 between them, then they would have exceeded expectations. The OP isn't suggesting 75 goals are obtainable, or realistic. The OP is merely giving each area of the squad ambitious targets. Really not sure what the playground bullies have against the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Point one, yes it doesn't matter what we say on here. However, i wouldn't set facious targets based on ego. You are going to have to help me, I have no idea what "facious targets" might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Agree Super_Saint. The OP doesn't mention the number 75, just targets for each area of the squad. Those targets are very ambitious, but possibly obtainable. The strikers might well have an awful season, and only net 15 goals between them. But if the defenders scored, say, 12 between them, then they would have exceeded expectations. The OP isn't suggesting 75 goals are obtainable, or realistic. The OP is merely giving each area of the squad ambitious targets. Really not sure what the playground bullies have against the concept. Agree with this, I think the concept of individual targets and collective targets are being confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 You are going to have to help me, I have no idea what "facious targets" might be. i imagine he was going for specious #dictionarybear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Agree with this, I think the concept of individual targets and collective targets are being confused. I think the concept of targets and aimless blue sky speculation are being confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 i imagine he was going for specious #dictionarybear Bear, I have noticed a lot of posts on main board recently yo, Is this cos you noticed how many posts Tokyos has ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Bear, I have noticed a lot of posts on main board recently yo, Is this cos you noticed how many posts Tokyos has ? nah just taking advantage while all the mods is on holiday. Don't worry, I'll be ban soon enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 a target should be shouldn't it? No it should be realistic. optimism is hope, realism is well reality or a grasp of it, hence happer clappers v's bedwetters, proud bedwetter me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Bear, I have noticed a lot of posts on main board recently yo, Is this cos you noticed how many posts Tokyos has ? Tokyo is so far up Flaresy arse I believe he is either the same or a hemorrhoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Good post barry. +1 reputations point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Great work giving out that rep point there bear, you're the greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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studentsaint Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 I think for jos, I would ask that the goals tally be reduced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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